Does anyone else find hunting offensive and sick?

pretty-in-pink

I really don't get it. I mean, wheres the fun in hunting, and killing, a defenceless animal? Thats not sport. It boils my blood. As do people who wear fur.

It makes me feel sick to the pit of my stomach. And so angry I could scream.

monty_python

if you dont like or agree with hunting then why did you look at the fourm??? seems very silly to me

just out of curiousty, do you eat meat???

jhegarty

Well your own signature wants support for a crime forum, that would offend anyone who have been a victim of a crime....


each to his own , it's a free country...

pretty-in-pink

I meant to change that back to hunting, in general,
I just saw a thread and I got mad. I couldn't go look at the stuff there, I wouldn't be able to stomach it.

As to your second question, I pretty much never eat meat. Don't really like it. You can't be sure that an animal was humanely reared and slaughtered. Though when an animal is eaten, there is some use being made of its death, when an animal, such as a fox, is killed, the body is dumped. The cruelty and the waste combined is horrific.

passive

pretty-in-pink wrote: »

As to your second question, I pretty much never eat meat. Don't really like it.

moral stance fail.

Clare Bear

I don't agree with the hunting forum (I'm very much against hunting, am a Vegetarian and a Veterinary Nurse, big animal lover) but it is there and I won't go near it. If I had my way it wouldn't be there but not a lot I can do about that so I just don't look at it.

monty_python

pretty-in-pink wrote: »

As to your second question, I pretty much never eat meat. Don't really like it. .

so you do sometimes eat meat???? and fox hunting for sport i disagree with.. hunting foxes because they are farm/urban pests i do agree with and hunting for food i tottally agree with, infact, if i had a gun i would never buy meat, i would shoot all my own

pretty-in-pink

passive wrote: »

moral stance fail.

Not really, theres a world of difference between my aunts chickens and random generic bird that could have been treated/killed awfully.

Theres several galaxies between eating meat, or animal by products, and hunting down animals for fun. I could understand it if all the animal was being used- meat, bones, coat/fur/skin, fat etc. So long as it was humane. Since its not, thenI just don't get it. Why bully something so much smaller then yourself? and in such an unfair fight to- weaponised and in a group vrs alone and scared.

Sharpshooter

pretty-in-pink wrote: »

I really don't get it. I mean, wheres the fun in hunting, and killing, a defenceless animal? Thats not sport. It boils my blood. As do people who wear fur.

It makes me feel sick to the pit of my stomach. And so angry I could scream.

People who wear fur are as bad as the people who kill the animal in the first place.
I would say there is a good reason we all have skin , otherwise the human race would be extinct.

marlin vs

pretty-in-pink wrote: »

I really don't get it. I mean, wheres the fun in hunting, and killing, a defenceless animal? Thats not sport. It boils my blood. As do people who wear fur.

It makes me feel sick to the pit of my stomach. And so angry I could scream.

It's a free country, go ahead and scream, and while you'r at it , give a little cheer for the old age pensiomer's, thank you.

pretty-in-pink

Yes it is a free country, but that doesn't excuse idiocy or making something so very wrong a fashion item. Nor does it excuse wanton cruelty or mistreatment of another living thing. People should know better, its the 21 century, we no longer live in caves, we have plenty of alternatives, so not use them?

marlin vs

Go over and have a read about pedigree dog illnesses , then talk about cruelty.

DemocAnarchis

pretty-in-pink wrote: »

Not really, theres a world of difference between my aunts chickens and random generic bird that could have been treated/killed awfully.

Nope, not really. You are killing an animal for food. You think killing a middle class worker isn't as bad as killing a homeless guy simply because they had a different quality of life? It isn't really about the chicken, its about your conscience, and you sleep a bit easier at night if you think that the chicken was happy before you ate it. Its black and white. If you eat meat, you need to reconcile youself to the fact that you are ending a creatures life and consuming it to sustain your own. Personally I dont lose any sleep over it, but using human perception of animal happiness as a criteria to choose which to eat dodges the issue and is quite frankly absurd.


As to the OP, if you wouldn't think twice about swatting a fly, eating a cow or washing a spider down the drain, hunting is no different. You're killing the animal. whether it is because it had bothered you, for food, or for sport. Do you think the animal would find solace if it understood that you were going to make good use of his corpse? Of course not, you're killing him either way.
Humans have worn fur since we were hunter gatherers. Its a natural resource, and it keeps us warm. The recent trend to humanise certain animals has lead to wave of outrage over such ridiculous issues as this. I look out for number one and my family and make no apologies for doing so. While I would never mistreat an animal I have no qualms about killing one.

pretty-in-pink

Well of course the results of inter breeding are going to be cruel. Thats a cross species thing, any in-breeding will cause genetic problems over time. Esp as the gene pool gets smaller, and people get fussier about wanting their dog to be a "proper" breed and have certain traits. I couldn't care less, so long as my dogs and cats are happy, healthy, and safe. I love them to bits.

The things people do in the name of fun or perfection are shocking. Like the song goes..
"man thinks cause he rules the world, he can do with it as he pleases, and if things don't change soon he will, for man is opposed to fair play, he wants it all and he wants it his way..................who's gonna take away his licence to kill"

Sharpshooter

marlin vs wrote: »

It's a free country, go ahead and scream, and while you'r at it , give a little cheer for the old age pensiomer's, thank you.

Are these a new breed you want to see hunted?
Oh, l see , same thing judging from your post.
You obviously believe that old age won't touch you.
Well when it does l hope you get looked after the same way the animals that you talk about did.
When there is no funding for OAP beds and you are screaming all us animal lovers will give a little cheer.
Actually we won't because we really are capable of Human decency.

junkyard

I don't agree with killing anything for sport either, it's hard enough for the poor creatures trying to survive in the wild without some w**ker taking pot shots at them too. How would the hunters like it if the tables were turned and the hunters become the hunted? Now that would be fun. I have a gun but the last thing I'd shoot is an animal tbh.

DemocAnarchis

pretty-in-pink wrote: »

The things people do in the name of fun or perfection are shocking. Like the song goes..
"man thinks cause he rules the world, he can do with it as he pleases, and if things don't change soon he will, for man is opposed to fair play, he wants it all and he wants it his way..................who's gonna take away his licence to kill"

Man does rule the world.
Man can do as he pleases.

Im not quite sure I get your point. We shouldnt kill animals because its cruel? Life is cruel. Animals are useful for food and clothing, why wouldn't we kill them? There isn't any higher moral question to answer here.

junkyard wrote: »

I have a gun but the last thing I'd shoot is an animal tbh.

Well either you're a sociopath or you aren't entirely sure of its intended purpose.

pretty-in-pink

pretty-in-pink wrote: »

I really don't get it. I mean, wheres the fun in hunting, and killing, a defenceless animal? Thats not sport. It boils my blood. As do people who wear fur.

It makes me feel sick to the pit of my stomach. And so angry I could scream.

There's room on boards.ie for all opinions, hence the separate forums that cater to the individual's interests.

Given the size of the site and the sheer amount of forums, there's a certain degree of inevitability that some forums are going to be ideologically opposed to each other.

Obviously, you are entitled to your opinion.
However, I don't feel a rant about a forum that you don't like serves any purpose than to annoy or insult users of that forum.

marlin vs

Read what you wrote in you'r last post (I couldn't care less, so long as my dogs and cats are happy,) just goe's to show you'r one of those I'M ALL RIGHT JACK ---- YOU

junkyard

DemocAnarchis wrote: »

Man does rule the world.
Man can do as he pleases.

More like man is a virus on this planet and has done as he pleases, to hell with every other living thing.

DemocAnarchis

junkyard wrote: »

More like man is a virus on this planet and has done as he pleases, to hell with every other living thing.

I couldn't agree more. I don't feel like I owe the earth anything. I dont owe the animal kingdom anything. I am honest about my self preservation instinct. Animals are a resource that keeps me alive. Why shouldn't I do as I please?

pretty-in-pink

DemocAnarchis wrote: »

Man does rule the world.
Man can do as he pleases.

Im not quite sure I get your point. We shouldnt kill animals because its cruel? Life is cruel. Animals are useful for food and clothing, why wouldn't we kill them? There isn't any higher moral question to answer here.

For food, ok, people eat meat. I'm very opposed to battery farming and the whole world of nelect and abuse that goes on there, but organic, cruelty free surroundings prior to becoming someones dinner is something I can tolerate. Killing for fashion? Thats a joke. We can make plenty of warming or cooling items of clothing without a single animal needing to be hurt or killed. Leather, comes from cows, people eat beef/steak etc, in that respect then its using a by product. Same with sheepskin. Fur however, in the form it is sold as in shops (coats etc), is something that is the only product being used, and fur farming is horrificaly cruel. Its grossly inhumane, and when there is no need for it, it really shines through as a pointless, vindictive exercise in being grotesque.

My point with the song is that man takes and takes and takes and destroys....and what for? Its Bob Dylan.

junkyard wrote: »

I don't agree with killing anything for sport either, it's hard enough for the poor creatures trying to survive in the wild without some w**ker taking pot shots at them too. How would the hunters like it if the tables were turned and the hunters become the hunted? Now that would be fun. I have a gun but the last thing I'd shoot is an animal tbh.

Ummmmm......ok.........I wouldn't go that far. I hope you mean you would shoot tin cans.

Sharpshooter

junkyard wrote: »

I have a gun but the last thing I'd shoot is an animal tbh.

The voice of reason.

DemocAnarchis wrote: »

Man does rule the world.
Man can do as he pleases.




l am a sociopath

marlin vs

sharpshooterH i'm at that age already, why did you think I brought us old people into this.

estebancambias

junkyard wrote: »

More like man is a virus on this planet and has done as he pleases, to hell with every other living thing.

what a goon

junkyard

DemocAnarchis wrote: »

I couldn't agree more. I don't feel like I owe the earth anything. I dont owe the animal kingdom anything. I am honest about my self preservation instinct. Animals are a resource that keeps me alive. Why shouldn't I do as I please?

Each to their own I suppose.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

look, if the closest encounter with wildlife you've had is dublin zoo or disney you probably haven't got much of a right to criticise hunters. Most animals are very far from defenseless. Cute, fuzzy and adoreable they may be but they are still wild animals, they don't want to be your friends.

junkyard

sharpshooterH wrote: »

The voice of reason.

Why? Is everything a moving target in your eyes, including me by the looks of it.:rolleyes:

pretty-in-pink

marlin vs wrote: »

Read what you wrote in you'r last post (I couldn't care less, so long as my dogs and cats are happy,) just goe's to show you'r one of those I'M ALL RIGHT JACK ---- YOU

Can you repeat that in English please? You raised a point that I assume was relating to the illness caused by the in-breeding of pedigree dogs. I said that I agree that its cruel, and that I don't look for my cats/dogs to be specific designer ones, I just want healthy, happy pets irrespective of breed. I don't get the point of your retort.

junkyard

estebancambias wrote: »

what a goon

Is that the sum total to your contribution to this thread, if it is I'd say your up way too late.;)

Sharpshooter

DemocAnarchis wrote: »

I couldn't agree more. I don't feel like I owe the earth anything. Why shouldn't I do as I please?

Maybe just maybe ,it's because you still have a lot of growing up to do.

pretty-in-pink

Mordeth wrote: »

look, if the closest encounter with wildlife you've had is dublin zoo or disney you probably haven't got much of a right to criticise hunters. Most animals are very far from defenseless. Cute, fuzzy and adoreable they may be but they are still wild animals, they don't want to be your friends.

No, thats not the closest encounter I've had ,
I know wild animals do not want to be my friend, however I think sending a group of armed people out to bait, trap and kill an animal is wrong. If one person kills an animal in self defence, its entirely different.

orestes

Starting a thread giving out about killing animals in the Animals & Pet Issues forum? Yep, this ain't gonna be biased at all

You don't like the forum, don't read it, seems pretty straight forward to me

pretty-in-pink

orestes wrote: »

Starting a thread giving out about killing animals in the Animals & Pet Issues forum? Yep, this ain't gonna be biased at all

You don't like the forum, don't read it, seems pretty straight forward to me

Well I could hardly start it in the hunting forum...and it would end up moved here from anywhere else

DemocAnarchis

sharpshooterH wrote: »

Maybe just maybe ,it's because you still have a lot of growing up to do.

Or maybe I'm looking at it objectively. I dont advocate animal cruelty, but if its a choice between my needs and the needs of an animal, its going to be my needs, every time. I don't see what you imply by your statement concerning my percieved immaturity, seems like you can't fault my logic so will try to attack me.

pretty-in-pink

DemocAnarchis wrote: »

Or maybe I'm looking at it objectively. I dont advocate animal cruelty, but if its a choice between my needs and the needs of an animal, its going to be my needs, every time. I don't see what you imply by your statement concerning my percieved immaturity, seems like you can't fault my logic so will try to attack me.

Could be that we get plenty of sustainance from the earth, so treating it and our fellow species with respect should be a given. Not a "us or them" situation, but a genuine day to day "treat things fairly and right" situation.

orestes

pretty-in-pink wrote: »

Well I could hardly start it in the hunting forum...and it would end up moved here from anywhere else

Why post it at all? I don't agree with anything on the religious fora but I don't go onto the athiest forum and post a thread giving out about them. Tis just soapboxing imo

DemocAnarchis

pretty-in-pink wrote: »

Could be that we get plenty of sustainance from the earth, so treating it and our fellow species with respect should be a given. Not a "us or them" situation, but a genuine day to day "treat things fairly and right" situation.

Why? The earth isn't going to appreciate our respect, nor are animals. They aren't fellow species, they are predators and food sources. I dont see why I need to respect my food. Treat things fairly, sure, but im not going to cease eating meat out of deference to some notion that animals deserve respect and compassion.

orestes

orestes wrote: »

Why post it at all?

+1 If my sentiment wasn't clear from my previous post...!

pretty-in-pink

orestes wrote: »

Why post it at all? I don't agree with anything on the religious fora but I don't go onto the athiest forum and post a thread giving out about them. Tis just soapboxing imo

I'm waiting to see if one of the mods here will change the thread title, I meant to change it to "hunting", by itself, but I posted it before I changed it. Which was really silly, but I can't change it now.

Not saying I don't think that its distasteful, but its quite possibly inflammatory to have it in the title, so I think it would be best if it were changed. Once its done, then this will be just an anti-hunting thread.

bernard0368

This old chestnut.

Since man realised that a stick or stone could kill he has hunted and untill man no longer exists he will hunt.

You will find that most and certainly all the good hunters will not afflict pain on a animal. They will only kill what they want for the pot. I know plenty of hunters who will take one animal a season thats it. They may go out and practice their skills but never kill another animal the rest of the year.
Hunting is an integeral part of life be it fishing, deer etc.

whitser

pretty-in-pink wrote: »

I really don't get it. I mean, wheres the fun in hunting, and killing, a defenceless animal? Thats not sport. It boils my blood. As do people who wear fur.

It makes me feel sick to the pit of my stomach. And so angry I could scream.

this arguement has been done to death over the last few weeks.
hunting? some love it, some hate it and some couldnt give a fcuk.

lightening

Properly controlled hunting is needed. Our native fauna and wildlife wouldn't survive without the culling of introduced species.

Hunting for food is good for the environment. Mass livestock farming isn't.

A quick example of which life would you prefer to lead?

A: A factory chicken bred to feed, devoid of stimuli to force it to feed out of boredom. Never ever to see daylight, feacal burns and broken bones.

B: A wild duck, great life, small chance of being shot.

Organic food with zero carbon footprint. We have been doing it since neolithic times. Back to basics.

Mr. Presentable

It's a very divisive issue. My feelings?

Hunting is fine, so long as it is for food.

Hunting for sport, especially on the pretext of vermin control (a fox population which is kept high enough to have some for hunting while at the same time decrying them as a blight to be eliminated), is bad form.

One of the side effects of hunting (speaking from personal experience) is the destruction of the birds of prey population. For example, I have seen a pheasant run, where young birds are kept until release into the wild, minded at night to keep foxes out, where owls were shot for hunting the young pheasant.

So, OP, hunting - sometimes OK, sometimes not.

Mr. Presentable

lightening wrote: »

Properly controlled hunting is needed. Our native fauna and wildlife wouldn't survive without the culling of introduced species.

Hunting for food is good for the environment. Mass livestock farming isn't.

A quick example of which life would you prefer to lead?

A: A factory chicken bred to feed, devoid of stimuli to force it to feed out of boredom. Never ever to see daylight, feacal burns and broken bones.

B: A wild duck, great life, small chance of being shot.

Organic food with zero carbon footprint. We have been doing it since neolithic times. Back to basics.

The thing is, if we still had to hunt all our food, and farming never was invented, there'd only be 100,000 of us. And they'd be the hairy ones :eek:

stevoman

pretty-in-pink wrote: »

I really don't get it. I mean, wheres the fun in hunting, and killing, a defenceless animal? Thats not sport. It boils my blood. As do people who wear fur.

It makes me feel sick to the pit of my stomach. And so angry I could scream.

i hunt and i love it so i do. everything that i shoot i eat and i am not interested in the mass slaughter of birds, but the enjoyment of working my dog in the countryside, taking in all the elements and if i am lucky enough that my dog hunts up a bird it is a massive consilation to bring home and put in the pot. and rest assued i will be out hunting on the 1st of november so i will and i have been counting down the days since last year.

People very easily forget that us humans have been hunters and carnivores for thousands if not millions of years and it only in the last few years that meat such as beef and chicken has been arriving in sexy flat packed boxes into our homes tricking some people into forgeting that its an actual animal they are eating.

I was born into hunting, my kids will also hunt aswell please god.

My best advice to you is if you dont like hunting... fine, dont go over into the hunting forum.

but i would please like to ask you not to go to other forum to complain about other peoples ways and pastimes when they are completly legal and they members of the hunting forum have nothing but admiration for the countryside and wildlife. Just because we hunt doesnt mean we do not respect and admire the quarry we have chosen.

In fact i am going to report this thread as i dont think its apt for this forum, the nature and wildlife one maybe......

Hellrazer

This has been done to death and basically the "fluffy animal lovers" dont like hunting and the others do.

This argument is never going to be sorted especially in the "fluffy animal lovers" forum.

I think Im going to lock this thread and start deleting every hunting thread thats opened.

Its been done to death too many times.

lightening

Yeah, its got to be hard for the moderators. In fairness though, there has been good debate on here before, its just the right wing extremists on both sides and stupid stupid comments made by people that makes things difficult.

Some of the hunters put an excellent points, other just say the silliest things that makes other hunters cringe so much their ears meet at the back of their heads.

Some of the anti hunt people put up a great argument. Others just sound bonkers, much to the detriment of their cause.

Lots of these debates have ended in a cautious respect and wary compromise unlike the UK.

Our man in Havana

Hellrazer wrote: »

This has been done to death and basically the "fluffy animal lovers" dont like hunting and the others do.

This argument is never going to be sorted especially in the "fluffy animal lovers" forum.

I think Im going to lock this thread and start deleting every hunting thread thats opened.

Its been done to death too many times.

Broken records spring to mind.

Thread closed. Now I need sleep.