Are you a GOOD Airsofter?

TheDoc

I was tinkering with this idea in my head earlier on today. How exactly is a good player measured in airsoft? In every sport or active game, there are those that excel in the game, those that are good, great, poor etc.

I personally, dont see myself as a great player, but I'd think of myself as a decent player, and I measure this by the amount of kills I get through a day. I know from when I started, my aim has improved and my kill count has risen.

Now I know some people will pop on here and say " Well its an objective game and you cant measure a players ability its about the team" I could infact send my girlfriend with no airsoft experience, and trust that she will sneak her way around a forest and capture some flags....

I want to know, who are the GOOD and GREAT airsofters. Those who have played counter strike, call of duty , football etc... know the importance of team play, but know how important it is to have a strong player who will rack up the frags/kills/goals etc.

But when I pick people out in my head, I try to think, " well actually how are they better then me? "

I know some people are immense at their roles, I had only a brief encounter with the infamous liamo but felt the full wrath of his sniping ability...but yet I wouldnt say he was a crack shot, not that I witnessed, but his ability to hide and be crafty got him kills.

I've witnessed Cheeky Monkey do the same thing, with a pistol...

I've had VTEC crack me from up in a tree.

I personally, always aim to emulate and be the best at anything I do, im an absolute compet-a-sauros rex and I just dont stop at anything until I know I'm one of the top dawgs...but..I dont know who I'm competing with, or how i know im doing any good.

Has this crossed anyones elses mind, and would anyone like to share their view, maybe some names for who they think are class players etc? Is there times a the start of a game where you go with people, because you think " god they are **** hot?"

My personal view of great players are the russian loadout guys...god I keep forgetting their names I know one is Johhny and theres a guy with a blonde goatee, I think they are fantastic player, they play an assault role mainly, but rack up so many kills and just seem so aggressive in their manouvres and a joy to play with and a pain in the arse to play against.

I kinda want to know, whose the standard, what is the standard, and I mean in skill and ability.

Theres very little "craft and guile" in someone sitting with a 249 laying suppressing fire, or someone calling in enemy movement, i mean guys with guns in their hand, racking up the kills.

Whose the SpaWn of Airsoft...

Stercus Accidit

Johnny's brother Raoul is the lad with the goatee, the team is called na madrai.

I'm on it but their reputation is their own doing.

Edit: http://www.bebo.com/Profile.jsp?MemberId=5004593766

Dr_Pepper

Respect to the Stray Dogs,
Second best team out there.

weeder

id say im a good somewhere above average airsofter,i get a fair amount of kills,

it all depends on my role a lot.

i wouldnt say its all about the kills for sniper its all about the sneaking and putting fear into other players, rifleman would be mainly kills most of the time, scoring objectives in the certain games is obviously more important and skillful.

i wouldnt say fsg is very much about kills at all, its about keeping the enemys head down


i like to play a multitude of as many roles possible where sometimes id be good with a certain role and other times id be ****e

Stercus Accidit

Dr_Pepper wrote: »

Respect to the Stray Dogs,
Second best team out there.

Lipo for the rpk, picture of dr pepper in hand, determined look on face.:p

Busta Hyman

i would say im slightly above average but as im still a n00b cant really say more than that

apart from

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

" god they are **** hot?"

i VERY rarely think that surrounded by guys in uniform

Lemming

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

I want to know, who are the GOOD and GREAT airsofters. Those who have played counter strike, call of duty , football etc... know the importance of team play, but know how important it is to have a strong player who will rack up the frags/kills/goals etc.

That strong player is no good unless they play well with others. Those who have played any sort of online multiplayer at clan-level will know of what I speak. One man a team does not make, and any team that centres around one member has an incredibly vulnerable weak-point.

I kinda want to know, whose the standard, what is the standard, and I mean in skill and ability.

Theres very little "craft and guile" in someone sitting with a 249 laying suppressing fire, or someone calling in enemy movement, i mean guys with guns in their hand, racking up the kills.

Whose the SpaWn of Airsoft...

Now to get to what I really want to say ...

You're only as good as the person next to you. Every role has its weakness. It's up to the person next to you to reduce your weaknesses with their strengths.

An MG can be in a great position, thumping down fire but it is horribly exposed to the rear & flanks. An assault rifle is maneuverable but doesn't have suppression fire ability like an MG. Ditto a sniper rifle, etc. etc. Not to seem like I'm somehow defending myself, but that MG laying suppressing fire whilst rifles move forward is part of what makes "the spawn of airsoft". Just like a sniper observing enemy movement and calling it in. Or rifles supporting one another whilst maneuvering.

TheDoc

I just remember the milsim day, where you and your boys just romped everyone solid. It was a joy to watch.

I also remember a sunday, and gathering 2, all occasions played alongside you and the boys, and genuinely witnessed some great skill...yeah proper movements, formations and hiding skills, but when the **** hit the fan.... good aim and making kills.

I'd rather be alongside 6 guys who walked in a single line behind each other but could shoot the enemy accuratly then someone who looked the part but couldnt aim for ****.

MacAonghusa

You should be asking who's the best skirmisher rather than airsofter because airsoft is broader than just skirmishing; what about target shooters or practical pistoleers?

As for being a good skirmisher, I knew an ex-RAF lad in the FCÁ once who was awesome on the battlefield; faced him a few times in paintball and was always on the losing end; would love to see him playing airsoft. Some ppl have a natural talent for that.

I've limited skirmishing experience so can't name anyone else as being top skirmishers. I've a decent shot after all the FCÁ competitions n' stuff but reckon I'm pretty shi'ite at skirmishing. I should try snipering, as i'd happily lie in muck for hours on end.

TheDoc

Well i did play online games, at a very high competitve level. And in every team i played in, there was a 2-3 core, of the "solids". These were the guys who were consistently solid and could be relied upon. I was in one game, gods gift to games, but in another looked like i was playing CS with a arcade joystick. And there was generally one guy, who was just brilliant, he could aim so well and kill anything on screen.

Would you not agree, that having someone that can get kills, or a fair amount, is a much more reliable asset, then someone who can take orders well?

It may be all well in good coming up with a briliant plan to flank a position, but I would much rather prefer having players who can get kills to trim the number of defenders.

Lemming I get your point and not disputing at all, but i think, even as i speak on mirc, people are missing my point. I know its pivotal to be communicative and a team player etc, but i mean, who are those that just excel at airsoft. Not whose the sneakiest, or who can call the best positions on the enemy.

Whose the most accurate, who gets the most kills, whose the most skillfull handling an AEG.

I have to say, I do compare Airsoft most likely to online games before military simulation, because of my background from it. And when id go into a public gaming server, which i could equal to going to a normal Saturday Sunday skirmish...I'd always judge myself on my kill count.

I know there is some serious skill involved in different roles, and dont take offence to this, espeically you lemming as you have the "pig". But I could tell my girlfriend to lie down prone, and pull the trigger and hold it anytime she sees movement, or anytime i point out a spot.

But who are the guys you send on a foward assault, rifle in hand, that can move building to building racking up kills.

Or might even go crouched/prone and pick off man after man, or take out 3 outa 3 guys sprinting across from point a to point b.

Like heres an example. Why dont you post 3 names of players you think are exceptionally skilled and why? For example my list

VTEC - Anytime I play with or against, hes always in the thick of the action getting loads of kills. Isnt always a team player, sometimes drifts to do his own thing, but on so many occasions has single handedly pushed the enemy back or held them at by, by the sheer amount of kills he gets in that situation. Always accurate and comes out of a game with plenty of kills.


Johnny and Raoul - Aggressive quick thinking players. Great accuracy and can easily take on greater numbers. Have witnessed them storm through 4 kil lhouses in hrta getting 10+ kills in a shot time, then laying siege to the Ghost base to rack up another 10+ kills. Always seem to be able to stay alive under heavy fire, yet return accurate fire to eliminate the enemy. Raoul's ability to quickly swop between AEG and shotgun to keep the fire up and kills up I found strikingly impressive.

Dr_Pepper

Tbh the most gifted players with the most effect on a game that i've seen are, in no particular order,
Vtec, Wolf (Na Madrai) and Liamo.
Those 3 are a joy to watch above all else.
Each time i need a position assaulted i send the Richie, If i wanna get somewhere asa VIP against all odds i will deffo chose wolf anyday, and a sniper to get it right its liamo.

Lemming

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

Lemming I get your point and not disputing at all, but i think, even as i speak on mirc, people are missing my point. I know its pivotal to be communicative and a team player etc, but i mean, who are those that just excel at airsoft. Not whose the sneakiest, or who can call the best positions on the enemy.

I get your point, but I think you're overlooking something fundamental. I'll give two examples; both from Berget 6.

An entire company (4 platoons), plus 1st squad (ours) from India Company, 1st platoon which was attached, was sent to assault the merc. base. Whilst there was a fairly large fight it was utterly farcical and such a large number of players was overrun inside of 20 minutes.

Two days later, one squad (India 1-1) plus platoon commander went out on some LRRP and decided to have a recce of the merc base. Our platoon commander had instructed us well over the last couple of days on various military drills and the like for contacts, etc. We split into two teams (one MG per team, medic, etc.) and seperated about 50m apart. Whilst the recce went to hell in a handbasket before it managed to start, 13 (iirc) of us caused such absolute f*cking havok that we tied up some 40-60 odd enemy players (roughly 25%+ of their overall strength) for about 15/20 minutes. Why? Because we worked as a team. We communicated, we used tactics, we fought tooth and nail whilst outmaneuvering the enemy as much we could.

I wouldn't consider myself a particularly notable airsofter in terms of kill count or the like (I don't particularly care how many I hit in a given day), but we - moving/thinking/fighting as a single entity - outfought several times our number (we did eventually get overrun). You may ask 15/20 mins? big deal! But that's 15/20 minutes, plus whatever time they spend afterwards policing their perimeter and then rounding people up to mount whatever missions their commanding officers wanted done. That gives your team valuable time elsewhere. Doubtless there were some very talented players in that original attack force, but ultimately to no avail since people weren't fighting together, covering each other, etc.

So whilst I'll give due credit to those I believe play well as a team or are good in certain roles, I think this particular argument is horribly flawed due to the questions being asked or perhaps how they're being asked.

G3-Nut

i dont think you can ever say people are good players etc, airsoft is about honesty, it only takes a liar to look good, but dont get me wrong i am not saying the people named are all liars lolz im saying they are lucky, very thin line between skill and luck imo...but when it comes to accuracy and contact drills etc i clearly agree that they are blessed with skill haha:rolleyes:

TheDoc

Well lemming for example.

If i armed 12 players..with the same equipment, and put them into an arena, with the layout whichever way.

Would we agree that the player who come sout on top is the best?

What if we ran that best of three, and that same player won 3 times? Surely he would be the best.

He won because of skill, reflex, accuracy etc.

Even in your example...what if you on your heavy machine gun, killed 15 players, or caused so much individual havoc that you mainly contributed to the success. And what if you consistently achieved that.

Take you out of that equation, and it could have gone so differently.

I think I've phrased it as simple as i can, and said said numerous times that I dont want this turning into a " o but airsoft is teamwork" thread. This isnt even an arguement or debate.

Who are the best airsoft players out there?

Like conor gave names and good reasons why...so thats twice VTEC has popped up, and for similar reasons, the lad genuinely causes a sh!t storm anywhere he goes.

This also stems from, what is to me an ever increasing deathmatch style gameplay, cant say its a bad thing, just the odd time gets repetitive. But if could for example, have a deathmatch game... who would be the top players to put into that game, and whod be the top how ever many.

No capturing flags etc. Deathmatch style gameplay might not be everyones cup of tea, but can be exciting, due to the fact its just about racking up kills. And in objective games the most unskilled player can capture a flag, and it doesnt even require great teamplay or strategy to win. Many a time I've played an objective based game that my team has conquered due to the sheer imbalanced skill levels.

Even that predator game you were present at lemming, the anniv shoot. it was my first time there, but I felt we completed that game with victory incredibly quick for a number of people who had never been there. And at one particular point, capturing one base, it was down to Dar just storming out and getting quick kills, and Vtec storming out to back him up...then the rest followed. If Dar had of died there, we woulda all froze thinking " sh!t we will get shot"

NakedDex

I spend most of an average skirmish coordinating attacks and defences, regardless of my rifle choice that day. Generally I use a dmr and the role falls nicely over how I play, but I'll take a "regular" assault role or a support role on occasion and often still find myself in the same position.
Usually I find myself doing this because, if I don't, there's no semblance of order or strategy to the attack or defence. It ends up as a dozen or so headless chickens/wannabe Rambos running off in all directions following their own agenda. All the "craft and guile" in the world won't help you if you're attacking 10 lads on your own because the lads who were with you have buggered off somewhere else.

I don't get a huge number of kills, but I'm conscious of that and it's a decision I made on purpose. Because of my scope choice, which some regard as silly, I can see further than anyone else on the field, bar none. That's an advantage I've put to good use. I like to think I'm good at what I do, I put rounds down when needed and I'm accurate. I have no problem dropping the rifle and assaulting with a pistol if necessary and I'm a fiend for using grenades to hold people off. All that said, I'd walk out of an average skirmish with a quarter the kills of other people some times, surely it's not the notches on your stock that makes you a "good airsofter".

FingalAirsoft

What makes you a good airsofter?
Be part of a team, take your hits and play with honor!

I've seen loads of guys rack up loads of kills during games, but they would not get the amount of kills if team members did not cover them while they where getting those shots off.

Playing in 1 site week in week out where you get to know the terrain and take out newbies every week does not IMHO make you a good player, you are only as good as the players you play against and on different sites.

G3-Nut

yeah i did surprisingly well my 1st time at hrta, considering i had a g3, of course...but i got wacked plenty too!!

i cant wait to see vtec and liema etc in a skirmish:D

NakedDex

FingalAirsoft wrote: »

What makes you a good airsofter?
Be part of a team, take your hits and play with honor!

I've seen loads of guys rack up loads of kills during games, but they would not get the amount of kills if team members did not cover them while they where getting those shots off.

Playing in 1 site week in week out where you get to know the terrain and take out newbies every week does not IMHO make you a good player, you are only as good as the players you play against and on different sites.

I disagree with playing multiple sites as a stipulation of being "good". I used to play several sites here, in the north and a couple in the UK. That doesn't make me good, that just makes me travelled. Lately I haven't been able to get out to much skirmishing, the odd time I do, I'll go to HRTA because it's a handy distance from me and there'll always be a couple of friendly faces there. Surely my frequency to one site doesn't make me a "bad" player anymore than my history of played sites makes me a "good" one.
I also disagree that you need to be part of a team. Playing as a team doesn't mean actually being part of one. If you can turn up at a site and fall in with a team well for a skirmish, that's still playing as a team. Subscribing to a team doesn't make a player better.

I do agree with your mention of taking hits and playing with honour though. I think to be a respected player, you just need to behave, both on and off the site. That's where people are measured in others eyes. You can be terrible player but if you stay within the rules and are friendly with fellow players, people will have respect for you. Skill and ability come with time and practice, attitude and mentality is your own.

whydave

FingalAirsoft wrote: »

take your hits and play with honor!
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for me this makes a good airsofter

David

Jimbobak47

Theres very little "craft and guile" in someone sitting with a 249 laying suppressing fire, or someone calling in enemy movement

It was said before but screw it ill say it again, There IS skill to this when our team has the M249 we operate as an FSG unit holding roads and positions 1FSG on the SAW 2FSG beside him loading/giving extra fire, he takes over if 1 goes down, and flank security to the left,right and rear. This is not some theory we DO use it and it does work its like a solid block of fire which is very difficult to get by, to date the only people to have properly uprooted us were the stray dogs. Respect.

Without it, we are assault/cover doing the jobs others wont ie security/not taking all the glory. personally I am better at the section level posting men in vital places,directing fire etc, than the overall game tactics. :cool:

Hivemind187

Tbh DOC you seem to be asking not "whos i the best skirmisher" but "who looks most like a sprite from Counter-Strike".

Saying "if I give everyone the same kit who will come out on top" is not exactly scientific is it? Give me an M4 and I'm the same as most people with little physical grace and too much weight. Give me a radio and a SAW and you'll be hard pressed to move ten feet without one of my team mates crashing into your flank.

Airsoft is not a video game and the ability for your team to listen and execute the orders they have been given by the person best positioned to do so is critical to sucess. In fact, I know of people who have applied this same logic to video games too (notably Battlefield and Flashpoint).

Tactics, specialist skill and fairplay above all make for the best airsoft players, notably the ones that have been mentioned already, Fiach, Wolf, V-Tec, Liamo etc but there are some pretty good "officers" out there too. Dr.Pepper being one of them and both Horse and Hareken being two from my own team.

So, in essence you need to ask the question in specific terms.

"Who is the better assaulter"
"Who is a better covert fighter"
"Who is a better commander"
"Who is a better force multiplier"
"Who is better at CQB"

"Who is a better airsofter" is just too broad and lacking in parameters imho.

TheDoc

To be honest I didnt think id have to be so specific I thought id just get answers straight up...

Saying a good airsofters is someone whose honest and takes their hits isnt an anwser at all...a bad airsofter should be doing these things.

I dont even know how to dumb it down evern more. I guess in relevance to me then, who are the great assault roles?

And for me personally, I regard airsoft more in terms of a real life video game. I dont have any military history etc, and i came to airsoft from a lvoe of video games and find there is similarities, even so with the people that play, the characters...and then obviously the games structures etc.

But if I could even find out who the great assaulters are then, and less of the assaulting my train of thought and points of less relevance, like i said everyone should take hits and be honest and be able to work in a team enviroment...even bad airsofters could achieve this.

You might not "agree" with my origin of the thread, and I value some input here as its from guys with immense experience, but Im notstupid and i know airsoft takes team skills, communications etc etc etc etc

I really jsut want to know whose good at getting kills and the like.

I cant make it anymore simpler...and if you feel the need to somehow derail my point or make an alternate point, id more then gladly answer it or debate it through a thread...but this was really jsut to get an idea of the great skillful players..and if im to be uber anal, great assault players, relevant to my role.

If youd like to maybe even span it out to interest others. I think hive hit a decent point

Who are the top players per role/class?

Hivemind187

In terms of individual skill (reletive to my personal experience of them)

Assaulter: Fiach or Wolf from the stray dogs. I've played and worked with them both over the years and they have absolutely no fear, they listen to each other and they seem to really enjoy the "attack".

Ambushes and sneaky feckers: V-Tec (trees) Neil & Liamo (rifles) and Hareken (skinny bastard ambush tactics).

TheDoc

Thats what im talking about...and already from similar psots...we see the same names popping up

And ...in completition on my goal, theres a small compilation of players who are regarded as very skilled.

As for those outside of the Dublin sites... who are the skilled players in Cork, Gtac etc?

Hivemind187

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

And ...in completition on my goal, theres a small compilation of players who are regarded as very skilled in their specialist fields

corrected

DisasterIRL

I would be on the point that both the ability to rack up kills and team work are very important.


When you are racking up kills then you are taking people out of the game or causing them to return to a spawn point, this creates weak points in enemy defences, allowing you to get in under their skin or defences.

Team work is also very important, it allows you to get into possitions to allow you to take people out. It's also very important to have cover fire to allow you to move and keep peoples heads down

But you are missings DOC's question, he just wants a simple answer:P:D Please oblige him

I would but I'm still pretty much a noob

gandalf

FingalAirsoft wrote: »

What makes you a good airsofter?
Be part of a team, take your hits and play with honor!

That's basically the answer as far as I am concerned.

Also a good sense of humour is required, nothing worse than playing with someone who

1. Takes the game too seriously
2. Takes themselves too seriously

Now I am an occasional skirmisher at this stage and have been out of action for a few months because I got engaged and more recently because of a nasty Achilles tendon injury that just refuses to go away.

Airsoft for me is escapism and a chance to have a laugh with what on whole are a good bunch of lads (and a couple of lassies) who have similar interests as me. And of course god forbid a bit of exercise.

hrta

A good airsofter, is the person you never remeber, not to many will get that, but these are the best airsofters.

Tigger

good airsofter is someone who plays well and helps others around him/her to enjoy the game

its a team game btw so there would be good teams and better teams on a competiveness level probably, would also depend on the disipline

i don't know who's the best but i know which teamis the worst, the one i will never play against or with again because they lack the one thing that the game should be centered on


you can play our game with a tin foil hat or a kevlar helmet
with a 5 grand piece of engineering artwork or a €40 second hand galaxy mp5
with mill spec boots and real gen 2 armour chassis or with runners and a green tracksuit but you cannot play airsoft without honour you can just turn up

TheDoc

god im kinda getting frustrated so youll have to forgive me.

It doesnt take skill to be honest or humerous or anything like that.

I find the lack of straightfoward anwsers disturbing...

hehehe.

I know what people are saying like in regards to honour and teamwork ... but thats not my question and i cant seem to make it any simpler..some people seem to understand some dont.

But I think my notation above is as simplest as I can go...whose the best person in their class.

If we are talking about the best "airsofter" to include personality honesty etc,

DefenderDude for me is the best airsofter out there. I think everyone agrees hes the nicest guy you will meet on the field, hes honest in his play, has good gameplay skills and is a great guy to have in the community.

I still remember him taking time out of his playtime to tell me about hop up and to show me the ropes of HRTA.

gandalf

Oh and to answer the question from my point of view....I make a good target.

Too fond of suicide pistol charges me

gandalf

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

I find the lack of straightfoward anwsers disturbing...

Well depending on what you mean.

If you are talking skills then it complex and there are so many aspects to playing airsoft. Sometimes you need cannon fodder to distract the other side so you can flank them, other times you need people charging to get the game moving and create weak points. Campers to hold points. MG'er to lay suppressing fire. Snipers to pick the good players on the opposition off.

The best airsofters from those skills point of view (and actually good humour) I have played with are the Madrai, a couple of them on your team and you are guaranteed to give the other side a damn good game. One of them in particular is a sight to behold with a ACM Shottie working his way through the opposing team.

If you talking about guys who are good ambassadors for the game on and off field I'd agree with you defenderdude is definitely one of the best airsofters out there.

Lemming

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

I find the lack of straightfoward anwsers disturbing...

Perhaps because there are no straightforward answers. Well, perhaps except the below quote (assuming I've picked it up right of course).

hrta wrote: »

A good airsofter, is the person you never remeber, not to many will get that, but these are the best airsofters.

TheDoc

Guys I'm going to have to give an apology on my part. I thought it was a sstraight foward as going

" whose the top 5 defenders in the world" regarding football for example.

But it seems there are too many influencing factors regarding my question. So my apologies if I ever seem condesending but the majority of you are right, I dont agree that a good airsofters is someone who takes hits etc and plays honest, as everyone in the sport should be doing that.

But I accept the points about teamwork etc.

So maybe to turn the topic around slightly, as recommended by KDouglas...what attributes make a good airsofter?

Again apologies on my part..but I bow tothe superior airsofting knowledge in the forum...that perhaps I was nieve to think it as straight foward.

OzCam

Doc, mate, I think you'll have to give up. There doesn't seem to be one right answer to this question - it all depends on your definition. Dex has it easier by framing it in terms of roles. Perhaps a better way to put it might be "who's the best all-rounder?"

I try to learn from everyone, even those who show you how not to do it.

WRT to Gandalf's point, I think it's ok to take the game seriously, within the game. But it's only a game (otherwise we'd all be real soldiers) and when it's over, it's over and any gripes should be left on the field.

Also, it's good to play at different sites from time to time so you can learn from different terrain and players. I like both falling in with a team on a particular day and playing as part of that team, and playing as a lone wolf. It's all good - the more you try, the sooner you'll learn what you enjoy and/or are any good at. If you try something and you hate it, you at least know more than you did before.

Sod'o swords

hrta wrote: »

A good airsofter, is the person you never remeber, not to many will get that, but these are the best airsofters.

I've been going to HRTA for over a year and the same people ask me my name every week..
If that's the case, go me.....

G3-Nut

Jimbobak47 wrote: »

It was said before but screw it ill say it again, There IS skill to this when our team has the M249 we operate as an FSG unit holding roads and positions 1FSG on the SAW 2FSG beside him loading/giving extra fire, he takes over if 1 goes down, and flank security to the left,right and rear. This is not some theory we DO use it and it does work its like a solid block of fire which is very difficult to get by, to date the only people to have properly uprooted us were the stray dogs. Respect.

Without it, we are assault/cover doing the jobs others wont ie security/not taking all the glory. personally I am better at the section level posting men in vital places,directing fire etc, than the overall game tactics. :cool:

of course it works, i would kick ass if my magazine held 2500 rounds and all i had to do was lie there lol

Tigger

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

god im kinda getting frustrated so youll have to forgive me.

It doesnt take skill to be honest or humerous or anything like that.

I find the lack of straightfoward anwsers disturbing...

hehehe.

I know what people are saying like in regards to honour and teamwork ... but thats not my question and i cant seem to make it any simpler..some people seem to understand some dont.

But I think my notation above is as simplest as I can go...whose the best person in their class.

If we are talking about the best "airsofter" to include personality honesty etc,

DefenderDude for me is the best airsofter out there. I think everyone agrees hes the nicest guy you will meet on the field, hes honest in his play, has good gameplay skills and is a great guy to have in the community.

I still remember him taking time out of his playtime to tell me about hop up and to show me the ropes of HRTA.

i would agree also DD is one of the players who plays all over the country

if you mean who is the most skilled airsofter i believe thats yet to be decided

(is not me tho):cool:

Gizmodeon

I believe that when someone has hit the "awesome airsofter" status,
when they arrive on the field you generally hear things like
"oh that fecker is lethal"
"Hey, can I be on your team today?"
"Have you brought the 249?"

......or generally when people start diving behind bushes to avoid you and you haven't started playing yet.:D

Stercus Accidit

I'm the best chairsofter if that is any help.

ED E

OzCam wrote: »

Also, it's good to play at different sites from time to time......

With you 110%

*You know who you are!

skapegoat

I am no good at airsoft... In fact I am the human clay pidgeon!
I am also not to long at it but I do think that communication is the key, I think Bren from the vipers or that fella(sorry 4get the name) from ATF have that down.
But that may be leadership and as a noob maybe that's what I need?

All that matters is I have fun but learn each time I take a hit, I'm slowly getting better.

There are probably some great players in japan... They are finaticle with airsoft!

Killinator

If I had to pick from experience, its a hard pick,
but Shane(SC(+)PE) from the connaucht militia is one of the best ive seen, anyone that has met him will surely agree,
And from my own team I would suggest Tony(NinjaLMK) as one of the better players who rarely needs to return to the spawn point,
I guess it would appear biased to mention my own twin brother but I will anyway,Snipersight,for his never give up attitude even when all hope in the game seems lost(and for ridiculous suicide runs)

Oh and Defenderdude rocks also!

CrazyRabbit

Doc, forgive me but I can't name names. I've seen a lot of skilled players but don't always know their names. And I've never met most of the recent airsoft converts.

As as stated earlier in the thread, the best players are the ones you probably don't know (because they sniped you and you still didn't see were they were located or who it was)

One thing I will say is that I rarely have seen good team play. Lots of great solo players, but team play falls apart very quickly once the action starts.

I usually end up going solo due to being frustrated at the lack of tactical coordination. I can rarely even depend on other players to 'watch my back'.

What I also find annoying is people using real world tactics as many don't apply to Airsoft with it's limited range/accuracy. I consider such people to be less than great players.

To be the best you need:

• No fear.
• Aggressive tactics.
• The ability to plan attacks and follow through.
• To be able to effectively communicate with a team of similarly skilled players and coordinate attack and defence.
• The ability to shape enemy movements to your will (blocking routes, concentrating attacks in certain areas etc)
• A really good aim with the abilty to correctly predict movement paths and to compensate your aim for this.
• Fast reflexes.
• Strong knowledge of how to hold, aim and move with an AEG/Rifle etc.
• The will to go through hedges, ditches, muck, water, brambles etc to 'get the job done'.
• Excellent knowledge of the play area and how to use it to your advantage.
• To be able to sneak effectively.
• Good camoflauge for the environment you are playing in.
• Realise the differences between effective airsoft tactics and effective real-steel tactics....and use the former.
• Fitness...or at least the ability to move quickly when needed over short distances.

I don't know anyone that would get full marks from that lists....but there are a few with many of those attributes.

Tigger

Killinator wrote: »

If I had to pick from experience, its a hard pick,
but Shane(SC(+)PE) from the connaucht militia is one of the best ive seen, anyone that has met him will surely agree,
And from my own team I would suggest Tony(NinjaLMK) as one of the better players who rarely needs to return to the spawn point,
I guess it would appear biased to mention my own twin brother but I will anyway,Snipersight,for his never give up attitude even when all hope in the game seems lost(and for ridiculous suicide runs)

Oh and Defenderdude rocks also!

all true

k99_64

gandalf wrote: »

Oh and to answer the question from my point of view....I make a good target.

Too fond of suicide pistol charges me

You cant help it sometimes though, especially when you have 2

Masada

Wow!
My name got a couple of mentions, im very grateful some of you regard me as a good player., but to be honest its very difficult to win without the backup of my team mates, its those who get all the attention to get the eye off me.,


Theres a load of poeple i would regard as great players from my experience with them,
I think Dar is a model airsofter to be honest, In the year ive seen him play I have never seen him ever get bitter or loose the rag if there were any issues with a game. even Im guilty of loosing the head a couple of times but dar sets a very good example. (and of course theres the DARROLL!).,lol

CplCummins from the contractors is another of the naturally gifted players and is a good leader.
Liamo, although not playing anymore, Is by far the most tallented sniper ive come across. and incredibly mature for his tender age.,

Ya cant really name everyone, i know soo many exceptional players who give a lot to the game. defenderdude being another pillar to any team.


Maybe it would be a better option to post your own "fantasy Team" of airsofters,? so you can have the best of each field.,

gerrowadat

vtec wrote: »

Maybe it would be a better option to post your own "fantasy Team" of airsofters,? so you can have the best of each field.,

500 or so of me after I get me multicam kilt made.

FREEDOOOMMMMMM

Cheeky monkey

No

Btw defenderdude absolute legend

defenderdude

Cheeky monkey wrote: »

No

Btw defenderdude absolute legend

:o:o

Yea - at getting bang killed by YOU!!:p

Cheeky monkey

defenderdude wrote: »

:o:o

Yea - at getting bang killed by YOU!!:p

I can't shoot you your too nice