Heroes 3x06: "Dying of the Light" **SPOILERS**

monkeyfudge

PLOT:

Hiro and others accept offers to join Pinehearst Industries. After the Company is paralyzed, Peter goes to Pinehearst, its rival, for information. Claire and Sandra try to save Meredith from Doyle, one of the escaped villains. Nathan and Tracy come to Mohinder to learn where their abilities came from.

Baggly

If someone says 'im sorry it had to come to this' and 'give me a hug' in the same breath......dont hug them. That is how idiots lose the powers they didnt use well in the first place

Guinnessman

Good

Best one so far this season I think

monkeyfudge

Okay

I found it to be a pretty solid episode.

It certainly did a good job of starting to pull the plot strands together.

I like how it's tying back to things we saw in season one. We now know why Nikki had that tattoo on her back... it clearly has something to do with the fact that her powers were engineered by Pinehearst.

Mossy Monk

Good

Heroes at its best. Best episode in a long time.

Baggly

Probably nit picking, but would the Company not have been the ones who were responsible before some of them decided it was wrong, which perhaps caused the schism between poppa patrelli and the rest...causing the formation of Pinehearst.

^^^Totally my theory on it thought, so prob wrong

tvnutz

Okay

Good spolid episode,the first one this season that I have actually enjoyed. Well almost anyway,if it wasn't for the last minute. How many times are they going to take take Peter's powers away,or have him forget how to use them etc etc. It took most of season 1 for him to turn into a good character and a lot of that was to do with him learning how to use his powers and how to control them. Then in season 2 they revert him back to what he was like at the start of season 1,and it takes all of season 2 for him to learn how to use his powers again. Now once more,we have a powerless Peter. No doubt he will get the powers back by seasons end but its a tired plot.

Was also sad to see Adam Monroe killed off,kind of an anti climax for someone who has been alive for hundreds of years.

Baggly

Are you kidding. Now we know Claire can die too. More hugz for claire!!

jor el

Okay

tvnutz wrote: »

Was also sad to see Adam Monroe killed off,kind of an anti climax for someone who has been alive for hundreds of years.

Same here, boo-urns!

Best episode this year, about time some of it started to come together. It had to have a stupid moment though, didn't it, and that would be Peter hugging his father in the most predictable evil villain moment ever. Peter=Idiot. He never learns.

eVeNtInE

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ShaneU

Okay

Peter....I am your Father.

And I took your force lightning.

ImJohn

Good

Very good episode, I really enoyed watching it! Hopefully the rest of the volume will be like this

Catsmokinpot

Good

I thought peters power was to take others powers? wouldn't that power his father had not work on him???!!?!?!

apart from that plot hole it was an awesome episode + peter had powers in the future so we know his father is going to die at some stage.....

leninbenjamin

Bad

the major flaws were; Parkman and Daphne thing... who would ever say 'we're married in the future' to someone you've never met? seriously? cockup number one.

the second was Hiro and Ando in Africa. 'let's wait and hide'... yeah, like he's not gonna notice the two chattering Japs outside who would be practically freezing to death anyway in the desert at that hour.

Hayden's atrocious acting spoiled a pretty damn good scene between the three women and the puppeteer guy. wish the mother had aimed a little higher and accidentally destroyed that vulnerable spot of hers where her spine meets her brain. now that would have been a good scene.

killing off Monroe. wasn't a bad scene or anything, but i just thought his character was better than about 3/4s of the other characters in the series. i just thought what a waste... writers constantly killing off the characters with potential for the easy plot line.

the Mohindar scene made no sense either. he's been turned into an aggressive bad ass bollocks of a fellow yet it only takes a few sweet words to let him take his guard down?

Sylar's character is awful now. this 'hunger' crap is bull****... just isn't working. i'm hoping this is just a charade from him, but even if it's a charade it makes for some pretty awful television.

and then of course the 'happy families' moment. probably the worst bit of writing so far in the series. oh noes yet another story arc where Peter loses his powers... wasn't expecting that at all... what makes it worse is that you can see it happen the moment the scene begins, yet you still hope, you know, just in case the writers might actually have something good instore, but they never do.

no idea why i watch this show still... something to do i guess.

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Catsmokinpot wrote: »

I thought peters power was to take others powers? wouldn't that power his father had not work on him???!!?!?!

apart from that plot hole it was an awesome episode + peter had powers in the future so we know his father is going to die at some stage.....

Interesting statement, and one that leads me too a tangent; Multiverse theory works by basically creating an infinite number of realities in which every possible state occurs, and these might possibly affect each other indirectly via the quantum level. And from what I'm seeing, the heroes crew are making a primitive attempt to play on this. future Peter already said his future doesn't come to pass, so we can't say with certainty that he regains his powers. it's one of the few active interests i hold in the show, as to how they attempt to resolve all these paradoxes. although from what i'm seeing recently, I'm expecting them to make a colossal quagmire of it and take the easy option again.

we should probably create a pool as to how he regains them, given the limits of their imagination I'm sure we could come up with the actual solution. my guess is that Peter's powers are a primitive version of his dads, and so his Da can't fully absorb what exists in him already we'll start to see them come back eventually... when he's 'under stress' or something and it finally clicks he still has his original power, after all so far in the show his absorbing powers have never fully been consciously used by him, it's more a case of him figuring it out under stress, or like Sylar practically co-erced him into absorbing his, he wouldn't have been able to absorb them on his own conscious intentions seemingly. he still has no real control over this aspect of them i'm thinking.

DirkVoodoo

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Adam's demise made sense. Poppa Petrelli's ability, and I'm only speculating, seems to be actually removing people's abilities, not removing/figuring them out like peter/sylar.

So at the end, he takes peter's ability, inheriting all his absorbed abilities and leaving peter "normal". This would explain why when he takes Adam's power, the 300 year old chap becomes a "normal" 300 year old chap....or a pile of dust.

I thought it was good, they must think that Adam's story has run its course and the return of Mr.Petrelli is a more enticing proposition.

Still think that the lack of overall narrative clarity vis-a-vis season 1 makes it harder to get excited. We all knew that season 1 was building up to this climactic showdown between Sylar and Peter. This season they seem to be chopping and changing by the episode. But I suppose that is the point when everyone has the "potential to be a villain":rolleyes:

ShaneU

Okay

Surely if they thought Adam's story had run its course they would have left him in the coffin? Does that mean Arthur is immortal now that he took Adam's ability?

The Don

Okay

Finally a good episode.

DirkVoodoo wrote: »

Adam's demise made sense. Poppa Petrelli's ability, and I'm only speculating, seems to be actually removing people's abilities, not removing/figuring them out like peter/sylar.

So at the end, he takes peter's ability, inheriting all his absorbed abilities and leaving peter "normal". This would explain why when he takes Adam's power, the 300 year old chap becomes a "normal" 300 year old chap....or a pile of dust.

Thats exactly what I thought. There are two things though. 1) They could just have used Adam's blood to heal Pa Petrelli. 2) Adam's power heals him and keeps him young so his body was that of a 30 year old when his powers were taken so shouldn't he just have aged normally from then on? Its only a small thing and as I said I can see why they had him crumble. Sorry to see him go though.

I liked the way Hiro saved Ando but the first time Hiro met Daphne she could move 'normally' when he froze time. So she should have noticed the split second he took to decide what to do before he traveled to the shop and got the sword. Also on the real sword he left in the joke shop, somebody who buys it thinking its a fake sword is in for a surprise.

Peter, Sylar and their father all have a similiar power. The ability to learn/take others powers. Does this mean that the power you get is genetic? Mohinder is going to get his hands on the formula either from the company's formula or from perfecting it himself. When he does Peter will be given/take the injection. So if genetics does play a part in deciding your power he should have the exact power he started out with, the ability to learn others powers.

Creamy Goodness

MYSTERY SOCK is back.

CodeMonkey

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The Don wrote: »

Peter, Sylar and their father all have a similiar power. The ability to learn/take others powers. Does this mean that the power you get is genetic?

I think it means that the writers on the show clearly sees this kind of power as the most badass and they don't have a problem with reusing powers. Only the most important villain and hero have this power. Nathan and Clare got different powers and they are from the same lineage.

Mohinder is going to get his hands on the formula either from the company's formula or from perfecting it himself. When he does Peter will be given/take the injection. So if genetics does play a part in deciding your power he should have the exact power he started out with, the ability to learn others powers.

Peter will probably get his original powers back from an injection but I doubt the writers will worry about why it's not a random power.

It's an ok episode, nothing too annoying in it like the previous ones in season 3 apart from maybe the people using their power way too much in public (daphne in the airport and hiro in the bar).

MatthewVII

CodeMonkey wrote: »

Nathan and Clare got different powers and they are from the same lineage.

I'd imagine the powers that come from the real Petrelli lineage (arthur's, peter's and sylar's) constitute a different level of genetic adaptation or something. It would make sense for it to be a sort of "second evolution" for their powers to be an evolutionary response to the powers of others, as they don't make sense in isolation.

Hence Nathan and Claire got "basic" evolutionary abilities instead of the reactive abilities of the others because nathan's was induced and claire's was a product of that.

Just a theory from a developmental point of view. It would make sense that the "Petrelli power" is a more parasitic evolution, making them more likely to be villains.

Other theory: Stronger powers are dominant over weaker powers, ie the petrelli kids get Arthur's ability instead of Angela's as they are at a higher level. The same could be said of Matt and Maury, again which seems to be a strong power which could be genetically dominant or something

CodeMonkey

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MatthewVII wrote: »

I'd imagine the powers that come from the real Petrelli lineage (arthur's, peter's and sylar's) constitute a different level of genetic adaptation or something. It would make sense for it to be a sort of "second evolution" for their powers to be an evolutionary response to the powers of others, as they don't make sense in isolation.

Yeah but do you actually think the writers really pay that much attention to the details? We already have 2 healers (clare and adam), 2 flyers (clare's boyfriend in season2 and nathan) and the precogs (african guy and Isaac) etc. Do they make sense in isolation or are they related? Evolving the abilities to break all physical laws also makes no sense. I stand by what I said about the writers just think it's badass and they stick the badass abilities on the most important villains and heroes.

Mantel

MatthewVII wrote: »

Just a theory from a developmental point of view. It would make sense that the "Petrelli power" is a more parasitic evolution, making them more likely to be villains.

Other theory: Stronger powers are dominant over weaker powers, ie the petrelli kids get Arthur's ability instead of Angela's as they are at a higher level. The same could be said of Matt and Maury, again which seems to be a strong power which could be genetically dominant or something

Have to wonder where father Petrelli got his powers. Did he just find it one day or did he get the injection once the formula was discovered.

MatthewVII

Mantel wrote: »

Have to wonder where father Petrelli got his powers. Did he just find it one day or did he get the injection once the formula was discovered.

Well it seems that the company came up with the formula in the first place so i doubt it came from an injection. The graphic novels detail that Arthur was a normal enough guy in the vietnam war so I imagine it was just a newly acquired power. The fact that he was in the war in the first place might mean his family weren't rich, influential so they might have had no powers and he was just a new mutation

The Don

Okay

CodeMonkey wrote: »

Peter will probably get his original powers back from an injection but I doubt the writers will worry about why it's not a random power.

They probably don't.

Mantel wrote: »

Have to wonder where father Petrelli got his powers. Did he just find it one day or did he get the injection once the formula was discovered.

MatthewVII wrote: »

Well it seems that the company came up with the formula in the first place so i doubt it came from an injection. The graphic novels detail that Arthur was a normal enough guy in the vietnam war so I imagine it was just a newly acquired power. The fact that he was in the war in the first place might mean his family weren't rich, influential so they might have had no powers and he was just a new mutation

We haven't found out yet how they got their powers. Either they had their powers from birth or they developed the formula. As Adam has had his power with 300 years it was an evolutionary step back then. So it only follows that others in that time have had powers aswell. Angela said that Nathan wasn't born with his powers and that they gave them to him. If they only developed the formula when he was a kid then they had to have their powers since birth.

ziedth

Okay

I think yee or the writers are missing a plot hole with Peter getting his powers back, I think they cant be the exact same powers as before becasue he has the scar in the future and gets killed by simply being shot.

Anyway, I thought it was a class episode. Its really setting it up for decent season. My only hope is that bloody Maya is going to stay in that web thing for ever. It is a pity about Adam but I dod think he had run his course as his ability was fairly weak.

Fysh

Bad

I thought this episode continues the trend of being better than season 2 and moving the various stories along fast enough to keep it interesting, but they've got some rubbish character work going on. Clare is just irritating at this point, Mohinder is flip-flopping unconvincingly between a manipulative git and a vulnerable victim, Hiro seems to oscillate between being clued-in and being a complete dumb-ass depending on what the plot requires...and the best "small" villain they'd introduced in a good while (the puppeteer) is now out of the picture, though hopefully not for good.

TBH the overall story for this season has been hit-and-miss, it's fast paced but has loads of plot holes. So much for Tim Kring's "Yeah, I have 5 volumes planned out in full" claims from back when season 1 was running...

Dubh Geannain

Good

The episode reinstilled some faith in the series for me.

But man Peter really is a dumbass. With all his learning ability I wish he'd develop/inherit some super intelligence (now that would be an interesting power - the ability to use 100% of your brain or something), and stop being such a gullible fruit.

"Give me a hug" :eek: You've got to be kidding.

Reminded me a bit of Dr. Evil trying to hug Scott

The Don

Okay

ziedth wrote: »

I think yee or the writers are missing a plot hole with Peter getting his powers back, I think they cant be the exact same powers as before becasue he has the scar in the future and gets killed by simply being shot.

It would explain the scar. He'll get his original ability back and will have to 're-learn' all the other abilities. So if he doesn't come into contact with Clair or someone else with a healing ability before he got the scar he should keep it? But before he went back in time he met Clair so he should have got her ability then. So he should have had it when she shot him. The Hatian was there but afterward in the morgue?

leninbenjamin

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The Don wrote: »

It would explain the scar. He'll get his original ability back and will have to 're-learn' all the other abilities.

nope, it doesn't really. remember future Peter altered the course of his timeline by coming to the past (of course this isn't actually possible, but it didn't stop the writers from making a mess of it anyway). Nathan didn't get shot in future Peter's original time-line, he said that hisself iirc, that he told the whole world that day. the future He was killed in was a different reality from whence he came, so we should have no reason to assume he will get them back to the same as they were before (although given the lack of imagination from the writers it's still probably a safe bet).

mewso

Good

Sylar needs to look at a brain.
Pa Petrelli needs to touch someone.
Peter just needs to be near them/see them use their power?

Isnt it possible that he'll get Pa Petrelli's power in the same instant Pa Petrelli takes the others from him and bang he gets them back immediately by grabbing his Da.

Baggly

Yes but you are forgetting one thing.

Peter Petrelli = Idiot/Annoying character

mewso

Good

Sure they are all idiots.

CodeMonkey

Bad

musician wrote: »

Sylar needs to look at a brain.
Pa Petrelli needs to touch someone.
Peter just needs to be near them/see them use their power?

Isnt it possible that he'll get Pa Petrelli's power in the same instant Pa Petrelli takes the others from him and bang he gets them back immediately by grabbing his Da.

It's possible but unlikely imho. It looks like Peter just lost all his powers unless we're told otherwise.

Now that papa Petrelli got Peter's powers it should mean that he's unstoppable since now he can now mimic powers like Peter and make it his own instead of just touching someone to absorb them.

I don't think the writers ever looked at how unbalancing these powers are which is why they keep on having to keep Peter out of action in a convoluted way. I also can't think of any comics have ever created characters with this kind of power with no penalties.

The Don

Okay

Your right leninbenjamin. The writers need a swift kick in the ass imo.

Holsten

Meh. Adam dead is stupid as hell. Again too much Claire, **** character, **** actor, kill her!

Sylar is becoming pretty crap too, make him evil again!

Peter stupid as always.

Sarn

So Pa Patrelli is going to save Mohinder by removing his botched power. There's one problem solved. But he'd better watch out for the hunger. Like Peter I guess he'll have to learn what abilities he has. Time travel would essentially mean Godhood to somebody like that.

Why is it that all the good characters have turned bad and vice versa. Parkman is clearly going to go to Pinehearst to save Daphne (pretending to be bad).

It seems Peter is fated to have a scar. In season 1, Hiro commented on how he looked different without the scar before they changed the timeline. I can't see him getting one in present time, mainly due to the hassle of applying it every episode. It would seem odd for Peter to lose his empathic power completely, he would be absorbing his Dad's power as his were being sucked out. One other solution is that his Dad's ability can remove as well as give abilities.

J-blk

Okay

Yep, Peter is definitely a moron.

Sylar going all good and mushy sucks too - bring back the psycho!

The Puppet Master guy has been the best villain so far: creepy, interesting power, completely nuts and only interested in getting what he wants. Pity that dumb-a** cheerleader had to ruin the few good scenes with him.

Hopefully things will pick up from now on and we'll see a more cohesive story line. "Villains" is meant to wrap up with episode 13 and they've already wasted half of those episodes just setting things up rather than going anywhere...

CodeMonkey

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Sarn wrote: »

So Pa Patrelli is going to save Mohinder by removing his botched power. There's one problem solved. But he'd better watch out for the hunger.

He can probably suppress it.

Like Peter I guess he'll have to learn what abilities he has. Time travel would essentially mean Godhood to somebody like that.

The Patrelli gene will stop papa being godlike though. I mean, he could be as dumb and forgetful as Peter.

Why is it that all the good characters have turned bad and vice versa. Parkman is clearly going to go to Pinehearst to save Daphne (pretending to be bad).

It's the writers mandate this season. They said "it's all about villains" and the subtitle of Heroes this season is Heroes Volume 3: Villains. So the writers made all the good characters a little evil and some of the villains seem good. They're doing this no matter how unlikely and out of character it appears...which to me is stupid but I am sure all the fanboys love it.

It would seem odd for Peter to lose his empathic power completely, he would be absorbing his Dad's power as his were being sucked out.

Yeah but Peter was never bright enough to use the powers he absorbs.

seraphimvc

Okay

it's a good episode i say then.least plot holes of the season so far :pac:the puppet man is quite sh*tty tbh...and claire,stop wearing the low cut!!*i think i saw something near the 18X territory just the scene she finished the talk with Noah*

peter's daddy is such an a*rse btw :pac::pac::pac:poor adam.....

OpenEnded

really think the standard of the show is gonna hit new peaks

also hope sylar gets his groove back

lostexpectation

brilliant performance by maya this ep :P

Mahatma coat

Okay

Afrkan Myster Sock :D:D

after that I'm happy, my puter kept crashin so I'll have towait till its ontelly over here tosee the last 5 minutes only a few weks tho

Baldie

Good

Sylar to the rescue I think.... He wants to control the hunger, but we all know he's going to go all "Sylar" on Pa petrelli for hurting his mammy....

Juan Pablo

Okay

Good episode, shame Mohinder didn't die though. Treacikki could have hit him with some kind of "Ice to See You" comment. I liked the scence when Claire comes running down the stairs, jiggly.

If Mr Petrelli had just taken Adam's blood, it would have healed him, yes, but not made him invincible. For that, he had to steal his ability - like Rogue from the X-men, I guess. In the same way that Nathan isn't invincible.

Can Claire die? I mean regardless of where she gets injured. I seem to remember the scene where Sylar is playing around with Claire's brain and he says something like this.

Hiro and Ando are brilliant as the comic relief in the series. The whole scene with them sneaking on the pre-cog was pretty damned funny.

jimbling

at last!!!!! an episode that didn't make me cringe too much. There was some pretty cool fight scenes too.
Adam was a good character all right, sorry to see him go.

Not sure why people are so hung up on the hug thing.... we all know what an idiot peter is :pac: :pac:
Seriously though, isn't it quite possible (and something I kinda assumed watching it) that daddy petrelli has a power somewhat similar to Eden in season 1??? seems logical to me, especially given the control he had over people while he was in a coma. His might be based on Fear or something.


Oh and Hiro is just gone beyond annoying the fck out of me. I can't stand any scene with him in it. He was funny in season one, but it's just ridiculous now.

And on a general note..... I still say this series would have been 10 times the show if they avoided using time travel. It NEVER works.... NEVER NEVER NEVER.
Use pre-cog all you want, but time travel brings up way too many plot holes and ruins a show. (and heroes has enough plot holes without it :rolleyes:)

Kiith

Deleted User wrote: »

Hiro and Ando are brilliant as the comic relief in the series. The whole scene with them sneaking on the pre-cog was pretty damned funny.

Havent really like there stories so far, but this was a great Hiro/Ando story. I actually laughed at it, which is a first for this season.

Shryke

Okay

Claire can be killed just like Adam can be killed and Sylar and Peter can be killed. It's almost as if all of these invincible characters live in their own little bubble universes where they have their own rules. Claire will live for ever but you can always just shoot Peter in the head etc.
There will always be someone who can do this or that or the other. Pa Patrelli or the Haitian or some 'antidote' to the superpower quandry though even that is pants on head retarded if powers are hereditary. I'm not exactly mister science but you don't just give a shot to someone to give/get rid of a genetic condition. These people should try curing cancer.

Adam dying was cock. He was one of the best characters though clearly wasn't that great since he lived for four hundred years apparently sitting on his arse. Seriously, I would have expected more productivity or involvement in historical events. Some serious knowledge of the world, some skills or changes to his character. He remained virtually unchanged from four hundred years ago in Japan. Now that is poor character development. And the writers only had to make up the changes on the spot. They didn't even have to show us, just give him a little more mystery and depth. Then again I'm mostly talking about Season Two here. Blach.

And like someone else already said Adam should have just kept on ageing from the point where his power stopped the ageing process. That was my biggest nag with this episode. It was worse becaues it happened at the start of the show so I was left with it annoying me the whole way through. I can see Sylar going nuts again and I await it eagerly, just not how it will be handled.

Some of the debating that goes on in these threads is way too intelligent for this show. I think it's great that something like it is just on. I mean it's way better than 90% of the rest of televison. Good entertainment. Or as some people say popcorn viewing. I just wish the writers would remove their heads from their arses and stop jizzing on my popcorn.

manfist

Good

claire isnt invinceable , that black hole guy couldv killed her , and mabey theres gona be more than one scince there another who could fly aswell , or worse,,
and Mr Petrelli killing adam was pretty bad ,i enjoyed him , but i do think he will feture again (wether its flash backs or in the past or watever) ,
and the next chapter is called fugitives so mabey its the good guys on the run instead of the bad guys , (altough hiro wont back down until he saves the world)
and id say peter will get back his powers but not for a few episodes , i do enjoy him.
the precog is also amazing 'hello pac man'

User45701

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i havent bothered comenting on this myself but the solution is very simple, Hiro (or peter if he gets powers back or future peter) travels back in time, takes adam from the cofin before hiro and ando take him out, that way pa petrelli never gets his power and 1 of 2 things would happen.

1. Pa patrelli wherever he is at that time would just die (because he never took adams power)

2. (this is more likly) Pa patrelli is still in his bed and instead has hatched a plan to capture sylar,claire or peter. But if one is smart enough to stop him from getting adams power then you would be smart enough to stop him from getting any healers power

CodeMonkey

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User45701 wrote: »

i havent bothered comenting on this myself but the solution is very simple, Hiro (or peter if he gets powers back or future peter) travels back in time, takes adam from the cofin before hiro and ando take him out, that way pa petrelli never gets his power and 1 of 2 things would happen.

But what if papa petrelli realizes this could be the reason for his demise and so goes back in time first, take adam out and delivers adam to himself 2 days ago. Of course they've already done the "who has the upper hand" scenarios at the end of bill and ted's bogus journey and it was probably more entertaining then all the time travel stuff in Heroes. And Hiro can learn a thing or two from those 2 slackers, that is, he needs to go somewhere, master his power, come back to the present like he never left just like how bill and ted learned how to play before the battle of the bands.