VRT Snitch Line: Warning Contains sour grapes

Fl00byMcN00b

Is there a no. or something I can call to report a car that’s not Paid the VRT ?

ok the reason I ask........ first off I do not make a habit of doing kind of thing believe me……… its just that there is this one big mouthed gimp who works with us and he is such an idiot he deserves to be brought down by a bit of good old fashioned Irish bitterness..... (The guy is from the UK but that honestly bears no Signifigance on his being a c0 c k muncher) (well very little lol)

According to him he is earning ‘more than 150k a year’ he is making Soooooooo much money that the Credit Crisis and Brian Cowens panicky budget mean nothing to him (his own words here)............ he has been living here for a few years and only left the country to buy the new car (bought car last year )........... And he has a great laugh at the fact that he has never been caught for VRT !!!! Now don’t get me wrong that’s not enough in itself to shop someone to the VAT man but this guy is genuinely a total C 0 C K, if I could find any redeeming charachteristics at all I would totally not do this but it’s been 2 years of putting up with this fella and his totally beligerant behaviour to all of us….. (and I know that I’m not really articulating my argument very well and following up with a blow by blow with bullit points on each gripe but I guess I will just have to live with that……and that’s fine with me )

I mean FFS I imported my car and I fcuking doled out the 4k in VRT so I am gonna be a **** and get this guy stung.....

Anyone know the best way to make this happen ?

Maybe this constitutes a bit of a spam thread i suppose as I could always google the details but I kinda want to get ur feedback here on this I mean what would you do ? If u were in a similar situation would u do the same thing ? Is it a step too far ??

Ps. I know, I know , I know I am being a petty idiot here but seriously if u met this guy for one minute you would understand, there is only so much we can take….

miceal

Hey you can just report them by ringing your local customs office. I am pretty sure that if you did report them they would be able to find out who reported them under the Freedom of Information Act.

So i would be going under Joe Bloggs when reporting it just to be sure.

JoeySully

what would i do mmmm ask him for tips on how he got away with it for so long :D

LOOK MY TXT IS BIGGER

Feelgood

JoeySully wrote: »

what would i do mmmm ask him for tips on how he got away with it for so long :D

LOOK MY TXT IS BIGGER

NO IT AINT!!

Fl00byMcN00b

miceal wrote: »

So i would be going under Joe Bloggs when reporting it just to be sure.

But My Name is Fl00byMcN00b ??? lol

Feelgood

In fairness fair play to him, the government ride us left, right and centre. Just take a look at last weeks budget?. VRT is a totally scam anyway, he is dead right. Fcuk them.

In fairness I would be looking for a "Cock Snitch Line" to report you....

cantdecide

So what are Christmas parties for if not settling old scores:D

Don't worry, it's nearly that time again

Fl00byMcN00b

LOL well thank god there aint one of them then....... I guess I'l just have to live with myself...

smash

Fl00byMcN00b..... get a life!

Feelgood

Fl00byMcN00b wrote: »

LOL well thank god there aint one of them then....... I guess I'l just have to live with myself...

Dunno my man, its a bum thing to do. Your getting rid by the system too in case you haven't noticed. Why would you want to aid the fcukers?.

Lumen

Bragging about it is the icing on the cake.

Report him.

He has moved to this country voluntarily with full knowledge of the tax system. If he doesn't like it, he should f' off back home.

When he first moved over here he had an opportunity to bring a car with him VRT-free. What more does he want?

(I'm British btw, and don't appreciate my fellow countrymen taking the piss)

eta: that said, a neighbour from the North drove a UK reg car for years, and I didn't report him. If he had bragged about how smart he was to avoid it, I might have behaved differently.

Bandara

Why don't you try live your own life and put the jealousy way.

craichoe

Feelgood wrote: »

In fairness fair play to him, the government ride us left, right and centre. Just take a look at last weeks budget?. VRT is a totally scam anyway, he is dead right. Fcuk them.

In fairness I would be looking for a "Cock Snitch Line" to report you....

Think about that statement, we elected the government, tax payer money is our money, in effect are we not riding ourselves, with this guy just jumping in for a two way gang bang ?

You could probably call these guys

Revenue Commissioners
Investigation & Prosecution in the South West Region Revenue Hse Blackpool Cork

* (021)6027000

Feelgood

Heres whats gonna happen then,

Hes English, you report him. He shows customs his English license and gives them his folks address which is probably where the car is registered too if he is avoiding VRT.

Customs can't touch him, he gets away free and laughs even harder, the added bonus is he then knows that it was probably you that reported him and kicks the ****e out of you.

bazz26

This thread has potential.:D

I'm off to make some popcorn. :pac:

Lumen

Feelgood wrote: »

Heres whats gonna happen then,

Hes English, you report him. He shows customs his English license and gives them his folks address which is probably where the car is registered too if he is avoiding VRT.

In Ireland it is an offence to drive with a licence with an incorrect address, or so I've been told.

He's probably not insured either. It is difficult to get insurance in the UK which will cover you abroad for more than 90 days a year.

Fl00byMcN00b

Hes English, you report him. He shows customs his English license and gives them his folks address which is probably where the car is registered too if he is avoiding VRT.

Customs can't touch him, he gets away free and laughs even harder, the added bonus is he then knows that it was probably you that reported him and kicks the ****e out of you.

I dont think so, Every tom dick and harry will be trying that scam I mean there are loads of English lads n Lasses working over here and living here to0o and they Pay the VRT u have to show proof that u leave the country at least once a month IN UR CAR to be able to claim that thats ur permenant residance.... as far as I am aware....... If he gets stopped and they checked he would have no excuse really.......

And as for kicking the ****e outa me..... = LOL

Besides he has sooooo many people who think hes a twat that he will never be able to pin point the source....

Justice...

smash

grow a set of balls, if you have an issue then have it out with him and stop being a weasel!

Now - countdown till thread gets locked...... 5...... 4...... 3...... 2......

Feelgood

craichoe wrote: »

Think about that statement, we elected the government, tax payer money is our money, in effect are we not riding ourselves, with this guy just jumping in for a two way gang bang ?

You could probably call these guys

I didn't elect the government, never voted once in my life..

If its "our" money then how come we don't have the choice in how its spent?. In fact all "our" money seems to be doing is fcukall at this minute.
Out of the millions, AFAIK billions of euro in VRT over the last few years, how come I am still avoiding potholes?. Where has this money gone?. Absolutely nowhere...

I see where you are coming from craichoe, but its a well known fact that VRT is a complete scam and actually goes against European law. There is no point in pretending that we wouldn't all do it if we were sure we would get away with it.

Hands up I for one would do it....without a shadow of a doubt.

smash

Feelgood wrote: »

I didn't elect the government, never voted once in my life..

If its "our" money then how come we don't have the choice in how its spent?. In fact all "our" money seems to be doing is fcukall at this minute.

your opinion isn't really valid if you don't vote, because your not doing anyone any favours and you'll never get your voice in by just letting things happen... if you give no input through voting then you're not entitled to give any input about these matters really!

just my opinion!

Feelgood

Fl00byMcN00b wrote: »

Besides he has sooooo many people who think hes a twat that he will never be able to pin point the source....

Justice...

So you issue is that he is a twat, or maybe that he is English?. Lots of people are twats, its the nature of the world - can't like everybody...

Doesn't mean you have to go and do something like that. Sounds more like begrudgery and jealously to me than actually wanting to do the right thing. I could understand if you were looking at it from a I love Ireland point of view, but this is a personal issue. Not something for the motoring forum....

What goes around comes around my man....

rebel.ranter

Feelgood wrote: »

Customs can't touch him, he gets away free and laughs even harder, the added bonus is he then knows that it was probably you that reported him and kicks the ****e out of you.

Sorry Flooby but that is funny!

You're right though he should be reported for tax evasion, even if it is a difficult tax to swallow. However in this country we are tax evaders by nature, look at our politicians over the years.... You would be going against the spirit of the nation!:)

Feelgood

steve06 wrote: »

your opinion isn't really valid if you don't vote, because your not doing anyone any favours and you'll never get your voice in by just letting things happen... if you give no input through voting then you're not entitled to any input!

Why vote when all the candidates are knob jockeys?. If someone went up for election that I genuinely believed would make a difference to this country I would without a seconds thought.

Unfortunately I am still waiting for that "someone" to appear.

Lumen

Feelgood wrote: »

I see where you are coming from craichoe, but its a well known fact that VRT is a complete scam and actually goes against European law. There is no point in pretending that we wouldn't all do it if we were sure we would get away with it.

Hands up I for one would do it....without a shadow of a doubt.

VRT is not a scam, it's a tax. I'm all for doing away with it (when I lived in England I had a garage full of fast cars, now I have none) but evading it and bragging about it, when you can afford to pay it, is taking the piss.

And FWIW, the OP never stated that said tax evader was English, he said he was from the UK. So you get a "FAIL" on geography.

Fl00byMcN00b

Doesn't mean you have to go and do something like that. Sounds more like begrudgery and jealously to me than actually wanting to do the right thing. I could understand if you were looking at it from a I love Ireland point of view, but this is a personal issue. Not something for the motoring forum....

What goes around comes around my man....

Thats a good Point friend, and I will not deny that there is a certain element of Sour Grapes involved (hence the title) but all that aside I had to pay my VRT and this guy should have to pay it wheether he is from the UK or not he is living here and should pay the VRT ..... simple as...


And ur right what goes around comes around......... and the time has come around for this guy to pay his VRT...

And I will help...

LOL

craichoe

Feelgood wrote: »

Heres whats gonna happen then,

Hes English, you report him. He shows customs his English license and gives them his folks address which is probably where the car is registered too if he is avoiding VRT.

Customs can't touch him, he gets away free and laughs even harder, the added bonus is he then knows that it was probably you that reported him and kicks the ****e out of you.

No, its place of residence, not what your license says. You have to prove what country your normally live and work in. Residency and "where your ma lives" are two completely different things.

Feelgood wrote: »

I didn't elect the government, never voted once in my life..


If its "our" money then how come we don't have the choice in how its spent?. In fact all "our" money seems to be doing is fcukall at this minute.
Out of the millions, AFAIK billions of euro in VRT over the last few years, how come I am still avoiding potholes?. Where has this money gone?. Absolutely nowhere...

I see where you are coming from craichoe, but its a well known fact that VRT is a complete scam and actually goes against European law. There is no point in pretending that we wouldn't all do it if we were sure we would get away with it.

Hands up I for one would do it....without a shadow of a doubt.

Ok.

1. I don't see how you can complain about a system that you think doesnt work if you have never exercised your right as a citizen to vote. What have you done to fix it beside rant about it on boards.

2. I don't know if you remember the state of the roads back 15 years ago, they were bloody attrocious and to be fair our roads now are better than some european countries, Belgium has absolutely shocking roads, most of the roads in the South East of the UK are brutal and theres streches of Autobahn in Germany that have massive chunks taken out of them, one of which ripped the oil sump cover off my car.

3. The EU never deemed VRT illegal, they said it was anti-competitive. Ireland is not the only one with this system, the Dutch have a Registration tax called BPM and it is pretty much on par, if not more than VRT. The same rules apply though, if you own your car for more than 6 months in another country (where you were normally resident, i.e. worked/lived) then you don't have to pay BPM tax and the same with VRT, you also cannot sell it for a year . So importers cannot make a quick buck just importing and selling vehicles from a foreign market.

Feelgood

1. I don't see how you can complain about a system that you think doesnt work if you have never exercised your right as a citizen to vote. What have you done to fix it beside rant about it on boards.

I have joined here => http://www.irishdrivers.org/, protested and wrote many a letter to my local council figures not including the government over the last 3 years. Do they listen?. NO...

Do they respond to emails?. NO.

Do they even try acknowlegde you?. NO

So why would I vote for a government who don't even acknowledge my existence?

2. I don't know if you remember the state of the roads back 15 years ago, they were bloody attrocious

Only driving about 10 years, can't comment on that..

3. The EU never deemed VRT illegal, they said it was anti-competitive. Ireland is not the only one with this system, the Dutch have a Registration tax called BPM and it is pretty much on par, if not more than VRT. The same rules apply though, if you own your car for more than 6 months in another country (where you were normally resident, i.e. worked/lived) then you don't have to pay BPM tax and the same with VRT, you also cannot sell it for a year . So importers cannot make a quick buck just importing and selling vehicles from a foreign market.

Right though how much is BPM tax in comparison to VRT?. Whats the difference?. I think you will find that all other countries have a fixed rate of VRT. Along the lines of a couple of hundred euros. Not the extortion rates that apply here.

LarWright

Lumen wrote: »

In Ireland it is an offence to drive with a licence with an incorrect address, or so I've been told.

From Citizens Information.ie
"You are required to carry your driving licence with you at all times when driving in Ireland. You are required to show evidence of your licence if requested by An Garda Siochana. While you are not required by law to change your driving licence if you change address, it is advisable nonetheless. Contact your Motor Tax Office for more information (see 'Where to Apply' below). Exchanging your driving licence to amend the address is a free service.

Feelgood

Fl00byMcN00b wrote: »

And ur right what goes around comes around......... and the time has come around for this guy to pay his VRT...

And I will help...

LOL

All right, no convincing you. I'll just let Jesus deal with you. He will probably take a dump on your doorstep.

You didn't take into account that the guy your talking about could be a die hard boards.ie member?. So he could be reading this thread as we speak, polishing up the knuckle duster.

Alun

Feelgood wrote: »

Right though how much is BPM tax in comparison to VRT?. Whats the difference?. I think you will find that all other countries have a fixed rate of VRT. Along the lines of a couple of hundred euros. Not the extortion rates that apply here.

You'd be wrong then.

BPM is currently 42.3% of the net new catalogue price (- EUR 1442) for a new car. For older cars there's a fixed percentage decrease depending on the age of the car.

Those nice people at the Dutch tax office even have a web page in English explaining it all.

http://www.douane.nl/variabel/bpm/en/index.html

OP would you please find another pass time other than sticking your nose in other peoples business. Also why didnt you take the chance avoiding the vrt same as he is. Fear I would imagine.

I would be almost certain if he has a UK license, the car reg'd to a uk address and a few up to date bank statements thrown in the glove box the customs wouldnt have a chance of impounding the car.

L1011

Anna Hissing Wire wrote: »

OP would you please find another pass time other than sticking your nose in other peoples business. Also why didnt you take the chance avoiding the vrt same as he is. Fear I would imagine.

I would be almost certain if he has a UK license, the car reg'd to a uk address and a few up to date bank statements thrown in the glove box the customs wouldnt have a chance of impounding the car.

Or "no desire to be a criminal", possibly?

Gregor Samsa

Feelgood wrote: »

I didn't elect the government, never voted once in my life..

If its "our" money then how come we don't have the choice in how its spent.

We do. By voting. :rolleyes:

MYOB

MYOB wrote: »

Or "no desire to be a criminal", possibly?

I dont think the op really cares about the legality of it he just sees it as a way to get the guy into trouble as he doesnt like him.

If it was his friend that was avoiding vrt I doubt very much this thread would ever have existed.

L1011

Anna Hissing Wire wrote: »

I dont think the op really cares about the legality of it he just sees it as a way to get the guy into trouble as he doesnt like him.

If it was his friend that was avoiding vrt I doubt very much this thread would ever have existed.

Where did I mention the legality of his colleague? I only gave a very probable reason why most people *do* pay VRT on imports.

mickdw

I think you need a water tight excuse now to get away with vrt fraud. Being from the uk and having that address on the license is not enough. These guys arent stupid, they notice cars and will be aware of a car on numerous occasions before they even stop them. So if the customs guy knows the car is always in ireland, he will impound it. Even if a car owner is english with english license and address, they will have a tax history here (in most cases) and that in itself will be proof enough for customs to impound it and bring you in for an interview.

Feelgood

mickdw wrote: »

Being from the UK

No making around 150k a year by any chance are you Mick?

Feelgood

phutyle wrote: »

We do. By voting. :rolleyes:

Ahhh so your the one to blame for all the cuts in the health board and the medical card fiasco...

Fl00byMcN00b

Anna Hissing Wire wrote: »

I dont think the op really cares about the legality of it he just sees it as a way to get the guy into trouble as he doesnt like him.

If it was his friend that was avoiding vrt I doubt very much this thread would ever have existed.

That point is not without merit ....but.....still.........

I shall have to muse on this one....

Still probably shop him and hide it behind a veil of Righteous Indignation....

x in the city

Any thread that involves bitching about our lovely free for all people loving government will be locked...

so, in before lock.:rolleyes:

Gran Hermano

Why lock it? The OP had a valid question. I too would like to know if there
is a phone number or email address where I could report VRT dodgers -
especially those that gloat about avoiding it!

If I saw someone driving up the wrong side of the M50 I'd report them as
I'm sure most people on here would. Yet when it comes to people not
paying VRT certain posters seem to find it acceptable. So are we saying
only certain laws should be enforced?

If you don't like paying VRT get a bicycle or emigrate. If you get stung
for not paying when you should have well tough titties

Feelgood

Gran Hermano wrote: »

So are we saying
only certain laws should be enforced?

It isn't the law, its actually in breach of the law!.

We are actually protected by article 25 of the Rome treaty from having to give over possession of our cars to the customs, but people don't bloody read it!.

In a nutshell, if you owe the revenue say 5k in VRT, they can't legally take something that is worth 4 times that amount off someone. So why do they take your car?. It's because you hand over the keys, your giving them permission. You could easily tell them to fcuk off and drive off, let it go to court and the Rome treaty will protect you and has done in a couple of cases in Ireland. That's why customs use intimidation to get the keys off you, if you stood your ground they couldn't do a tap.

Its totally against the charter of fundamental rights of the European union. Read up on Article 25 of the Rome treaty.

x in the city

This will most likely be locked as its going into a political dispute, now I am against the vrt as much as joe the plumber but if its so illegal why are thousands paying it every year.?

And if its so illegal why dont joe the plumber sue the state for damages and screw up our country for billions of (illegal) vrt...

L1011

The vehicle itself is not legal for sale in the state without VRT, hence it is, as such worthless until such time as it is registered.

However, theres nothing in Article 25 which covers Customs confiscating items on which tax hasn't been paid, unless you have a different Treaty of Rome to everyone else. Can you provide links to these cases you mention, thanks.

And for one last time, VRT isn't against European law.

Mickk

Feelgood wrote: »

It isn't the law, its actually in breach of the law!.

We are actually protected by article 25 of the Rome treaty from having to give over possession of our cars to the customs, but people don't bloody read it!.

In a nutshell, if you owe the revenue say 5k in VRT, they can't legally take something that is worth 4 times that amount off someone. So why do they take your car?. It's because you hand over the keys, your giving them permission. You could easily tell them to fcuk off and drive off, let it go to court and the Rome treaty will protect you and has done in a couple of cases in Ireland. That's why customs use intimidation to get the keys off you, if you stood your ground they couldn't do a tap.

Its totally against the charter of fundamental rights of the European union. Read up on Article 25 of the Rome treaty.

I would love to agree with you but the reason they take the car isn't for leverage against what you owe them its because its illegal to drive a foreign registered car on public roads, if them come around your house (and the car is on private property) and try and take it then you can tell them to do one...

Darsad

Many Years ago i worked with a farmers son who was for ever telling us that he was running his VW Jetta on Agri Diesel , That was until we all got sick of listening to him and made a little phone call to the customs people.
They came out the next day and it was great watching from the toilets as they dipped his tank.

peasant

Warning for feelgood :

Tone done the language to a civil level or you're out of here.

Mickk

MYOB wrote: »

The vehicle itself is not legal for sale in the state without VRT, hence it is, as such worthless until such time as it is registered.

However, theres nothing in Article 25 which covers Customs confiscating items on which tax hasn't been paid, unless you have a different Treaty of Rome to everyone else. Can you provide links to these cases you mention, thanks.

And for one last time, VRT isn't against European law.

It is illegal to confiscate items more than the value of the debt but its mostly meant for baliffs ect.

Vrt isn't illegal the way they have dressed it up, import duty is illegal within the eu, on 31st of december 1991 the old system was import duty (22.5%, 25% and 30%) and on the first on jan 1992 that system was abolished (because it was illegal) and by complete coincidence they introduced a new tax on registering cars. It just happened to be the exact system as import duty used to be...
Now that they have changed it again to a green carbon tax no-one will ever challenge it successfully.

whiterebel

Mickk wrote: »

It is illegal to confiscate items more than the value of the debt but its mostly meant for baliffs ect.

Vrt isn't illegal the way they have dressed it up, import duty is illegal within the eu, on 31st of december 1991 the old system was import duty (22.5%, 25% and 30%) and on the first on jan 1992 that system was abolished (because it was illegal) and by complete coincidence they introduced a new tax on registering cars. It just happened to be the exact system as import duty used to be...
Now that they have changed it again to a green carbon tax no-one will ever challenge it successfully.

Plus they had to find something for all those lovely Customs officers to do......

L1011

Mickk wrote: »

It is illegal to confiscate items more than the value of the debt but its mostly meant for baliffs ect.

Except its being confiscated for illegal use, not for unpaid debts...

x in the city

what happens to the billions the government have made from vrt...?

how come this has not being brought up recently in the budget:D