Knot in lower back after deadlft.

Blacktie.

Hey all recently pushed my deadlift from 70 to 80kg and afterwards I felt a very uncomfortable knot in my muscles in my lower back. It wasn't really sore just incredibly tired when I was standing. I could still walk around it was just uncomfortable. This lasted about 5 or 10 minutes and then it got better and within half an hour it was more or less gone. Is this due to bad form or just adjusting to the new weight?

Thanks for the feedback.

kevpants

It's just "THE PUMP". Same as the way your arms would feel after a load of curls. The problem is your lower back supports you when you're standing up so it's quite uncomfortable to stand or walk around. I find if I sit down and arch my back (push shoulders back and hips forward) it takes the pressure off and lets the muscles relax. It's not a knot or injury it's just fatigue in the muscles.

Pro-Nutrition

Blacktie. wrote: »

Hey all recently pushed my deadlift from 70 to 80kg and afterwards I felt a very uncomfortable knot in my muscles in my lower back. It wasn't really sore just incredibly tired when I was standing. I could still walk around it was just uncomfortable. This lasted about 5 or 10 minutes and then it got better and within half an hour it was more or less gone. Is this due to bad form or just adjusting to the new weight?

Thanks for the feedback.

It could be just the pump you are feeling. If you done any damage to the lower back you would know all about it. Make sure that when you are lifting you are wearing your belt and you are lifting with your legs as well as your back. Thats very important. Maybe do some hyper extension for the lower part of the back. This will strengthen the lower back.

kevpants

Pro-Nutrition wrote: »

It could be just the pump you are feeling. If you done any damage to the lower back you would know all about it. Make sure that when you are lifting you are wearing your belt and you are lifting with your legs as well as your back. Thats very important. Maybe do some hyper extension for the lower part of the back. This will strengthen the lower back.

As someone who started lifting with a weak back I found going beltless helped bring it into line. In fact I still go beltless because I just want it to be me vs the weight, while I'm training anyway.

I know you're only putting safety first and you're dead right but for a 70kg deadlift I don't think a belt is necessary. If the form is right anyway!

conceited

Belts are for holding up your pants.

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kevpants wrote: »

As someone who started lifting with a weak back I found going beltless helped bring it into line. In fact I still go beltless because I just want it to be me vs the weight, while I'm training anyway.

I know you're only putting safety first and you're dead right but for a 70kg deadlift I don't think a belt is necessary. If the form is right anyway!

You already have a weak back. I see. You may say a 70kg lift is easy, I don't know about you but I have been training for approx 6-7 years now and I am 17st and I would say that I have a strong enough back but anything at I am deadlifting over 100kg I would use a belt. It holds everything in place, your lower back and your abdomen. I was in training one night when I heard my friend shout out for me, he went to pick up his bag and his back went on him. He could not move and he is also a big lad well able for the heavy weight. I would agree with you and that it will defo help you build your lower back but there is a point and a big difference between strengthening and breaking.

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conceited wrote: »

Belts are for holding up your pants.

Belts for pants. A couple of questions for ya,

How long have you been training?
What would you dead lift and how many reps?

brianthebard

Pro-Nutrition wrote: »

I was in training one night when I heard my friend shout out for me, he went to pick up his bag and his back went on him. He could not move and he is also a big lad well able for the heavy weight. I would agree with you and that it will defo help you build your lower back but there is a point and a big difference between strengthening and breaking.

Is it a slipped disc? If so he didn't do it because he wasn't using a belt, he did it by repeatedly doing something wrong that wore out his disc after a while. The bag lifting was the culmination of the injury not the cause.

Pro-Nutrition

brianthebard wrote: »

Is it a slipped disc? If so he didn't do it because he wasn't using a belt, he did it by repeatedly doing something wrong that wore out his disc after a while. The bag lifting was the culmination of the injury not the cause.

You he is off travelling now so I dont know what the story is. Anyway I am just saying, sure if you look at the Pro Bodybuilders they use a belt not for all lifts but for their heavy sets. Different courses for different horses I suppose.

kevpants

Pro-Nutrition wrote: »

Belts for pants. A couple of questions for ya,

How long have you been training?
What would you dead lift and how many reps?

C'mon man we're not here to compare ball size. You can have a look at my training in my log to see what I'm doing. I'm sure you're stronger than me but it doesn't make my advice worthless.

I do all my max effort deads and squats beltless. My dead is 210kg @100kg BW and I don't feel the need for a belt yet. I do a lot of standing ab work, hypers, good mornings etc to make sure my trunk is doing what the belt would be doing.

Enough about me.

I'm not slagging off belts but you have to admit they are sometimes worn as a badge of honor. Guys swanning around with a "have you noticed I'm wearing a belt? It's because the weights I lift are so heavy" look on their face. Often they go from pulling in the belt to bicep curls and they don't take the belt off.
WTF?

I just don't feel a belt is a prerequisite for a beginner.

brianthebard

Pro-Nutrition wrote: »

You he is off travelling now so I dont know what the story is. Anyway I am just saying, sure if you look at the Pro Bodybuilders they use a belt not for all lifts but for their heavy sets. Different courses for different horses I suppose.

Most slipped discs happen lifting something you don't expect to be trouble. In case anyone is wondering I'm not saying the op has a slipped disc, it wouldn't have felt normal again after ten minutes. And it would have felt more like a ring placed around his stomach and back that was burning him from the inside out. :rolleyes:

Tbh I don't think we should be looking to the pro bodybuilders for tips on training, firstly not when we are talking about 70kg deads, and secondly, not unless we are training specifically for the same goals they are. Also there are a lot of myths and frankly dumb things that pros do all the time, doesn't mean we should copy them either.

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kevpants wrote: »

C'mon man we're not here to compare ball size. You can have a look at my training in my log to see what I'm doing. I'm sure you're stronger than me but it doesn't make my advice worthless.

I do all my max effort deads and squats beltless. My dead is 210kg @100kg BW and I don't feel the need for a belt yet. I do a lot of standing ab work, hypers, good mornings etc to make sure my trunk is doing what the belt would be doing.

Enough about me.

I'm not slagging off belts but you have to admit they are sometimes worn as a badge of honor. Guys swanning around with a "have you noticed I'm wearing a belt? It's because the weights I lift are so heavy" look on their face. Often they go from pulling in the belt to bicep curls and they don't take the belt off.
WTF?

I just don't feel a belt is a prerequisite for a beginner.

To be honest with you I should have seen the funny side to your comment. Sorry. That’s great lifting but you see my problem is that I have a long bloody back and I feel a lot more comfortable with the belt for my last couple of heavy sets. My abdomen is fairly strong but it’s a head thing for me. My max on deads I would have to say 210/215kg at a push.

Wearing belts as a badge, dude you have no idea. Some guys in my place are un****ing real, it’s a bit hard for us not to notice your wearing a belt because your head is going to explode its that tight. It seems to cut off the flow of from the rest of the body making the upper body look at bit bigger.Muppets. Sure, not slagging off but your probably around as long as I am and I am sure that you have seen some sights in the gym.

Pro-Nutrition

brianthebard wrote: »

Most slipped discs happen lifting something you don't expect to be trouble (the culmination part, not the cause). In case anyone is wondering I'm not saying the op has a slipped disc, it wouldn't have felt normal again after ten minutes. And it would have felt more like a ring placed around his stomach and back that was burning him from the inside out. :rolleyes:

Tbh I don't think we should be looking to the pro bodybuilders for tips on training, firstly not when we are talking about 70kg deads, and secondly, not unless we are training specifically for the same goals they are. Also there are a lot of myths and frankly dumb things that pros do all the time, doesn't mean we should copy them either.

We could go on and on but lets not. This started off someone looking for advice. Lets hope that no one here ever experiences that pain

kevpants

Pro-Nutrition wrote: »

To be honest with you I should have seen the funny side to your comment. Sorry. That’s great lifting but you see my problem is that I have a long bloody back and I feel a lot more comfortable with the belt for my last couple of heavy sets. My abdomen is fairly strong but it’s a head thing for me. My max on deads I would have to say 210/215kg at a push.

Wearing belts as a badge, dude you have no idea. Some guys in my place are un****ing real, it’s a bit hard for us not to notice your wearing a belt because your head is going to explode its that tight. It seems to cut off the flow of from the rest of the body making the upper body look at bit bigger.Muppets. Sure, not slagging off but your probably around as long as I am and I am sure that you have seen some sights in the gym.

Yeah if you think there's a risk of injury then wear a belt. You obviously feel there is at the top end of your sets so you do and you're dead right. But you're experienced, beginners just do as they are told without reading their bodies.

That was really my point there's a fine line between a belt being used as a safety measure and being used as a crutch. When you see a total beginner wearing a belt all the time I just think if they'd take the bloody thing off they'd adapt quicker.

Pro-Nutrition

kevpants wrote: »

Yeah if you think there's a risk of injury then wear a belt. You obviously feel there is at the top end of your sets so you do and you're dead right. But you're experienced, beginners just do as they are told without reading their bodies.

That was really my point there's a fine line between a belt being used as a safety measure and being used as a crutch. When you see a total beginner wearing a belt all the time I just think if they'd take the bloody thing off they'd adapt quicker.

I agree. Dam and I just bought a new one

It is all about listening to your body. Same goes for every body part from chest to back.

Blacktie.

Ah grand its probably just the pump then. Was worried I was slowly damaging my back or somethin thanks for the replys guys!

Hanley

I can't believe people are suggesting a belt is needed to pull 70-80kg.... My 60kg girlfriend has pulled 20kg more than that without a belt. No excuses!!!

Tbh, OP, assuming your form's ok, it sounds like you're back is just getting pumped. It's a weird feeling if you're not used to it. It happens my lower back all the time when I start conventional deadlifting after taking a break from it.

Blacktie.

Yeah I don't think I'll bet getting a belt till I it the 100 mark at the earliest. I want my whole body to adapt to the weight includin my back and abs so don't want any of that taken away because of using a belt especiallly if I don't actually need one yet.

conceited

As I said before wearing a belt is for holding your pants up .
Why use a belt at the 100kg mark? Whats it going to do for you?
If you get injured with the belt on you'll have a far worse injury then if you went without. If you don’t lift correctly, you’ll hurt yourself
Each to their own.

Hanley

conceited wrote: »

If you get injured with the belt on you'll have a far worse injury then if you went without..

Qualify this?

conceited

Hanley wrote: »

Qualify this?

Have a think about it.

Hanley

conceited wrote: »

Have a think about it.

I have. And a slipped disc is going to fcuking suck either way.

conceited

Thats lovely. Here your Royal Highness.
http://www.backfitpro.com/articles/weight%20belts.pdf
As is said in the beginning make up your own mind . I made mine up after reading this.

g'em

conceited, kindly make your point without resorting to name-calling. Infracted.