Sinn Fein/IRA to organise provocative march

Zand

Sinn Fein/IRA are going to organize a provocative march on the very day that the Royal Irish Regiment are to have a homecoming parade through Belfast city centre. They have applied to the Parades Commission for a so called anti war demonstration of up to 500 people on the day 200 RIR return for a homecoming after their peace keeping tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.

These brave young men and women will be welcomed by decent who know they have a very difficult job to do and do it in the most professional manner. I'm sure the vast majority of people will agree the RIR and indeed the rest of British Army, have suffered enough trying to bring some peace and order over there, without the terrorist layabouts who support Sinn Fein/IRA insulting them on their homecoming ??

http://www3.u.tv/news/LocalNews/index.asp?id=91655

Sand

Sooooooooo bitter....

:pac:

mike65

Zand

Sand

Hmmmm! The provos can't quite grow up can they?

Mike

EuskalHerria

These brave young men and women will be welcomed by decent who know they have a very difficult job to do and do it in the most professional manner.

Brave? Bravery is having the guts to stand up against your superiors regardless of the consequences to not take part in an illegal war? Before you start with the regime change in afganistan, there are pleanty of places that need regime change! Just luck that the first place could be used as a training ground for another illegal war in iraq.

I'm sure the vast majority of people will agree the RIR and indeed the rest of British Army, have suffered enough trying to bring some peace and order over there,

They have suffered enough? Relative to the innocent people in afganistan who have been the real victims, What have british soldiers suffered?

And before you think i am a sinn fein supporter believe me i am not, and in fact i see the irony and spite in their actions as they were one of the parties that welcomed george bush to belfast. But i do not see why an anti-war demonstration should not take place, in fact i don't see why these "heroes" are allowed march on irish streets after what they have done abroad.

Zand

Sand wrote: »

Sooooooooo bitter....

:pac:

WTF, I randomly picked the name from wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zand_dynasty

WAS I SUPPOSED TO ASK YOU FOR PERMISSION AS TO WHAT USER NAME I CHOOSE.

Tipsy Mac

No mention in the original story about the IRA attending the march.

Can I presume the SS RUC will be policing the marches?

stomprockin

im on the same few as EuskalHerria here! the british soldiers have committed more war crimes around the world in there history and i certainly would not be one to be calling them heroes:rolleyes:
should in they be marching in there own country OR LONDON PERHAPS?:D

mike65

RIR are in their own country, thats the point isn't it?

Mike

stovelid

The timing is certainly provocative, but in the context of NI, a Sinn Fein rally is no more provocative (to one side of the community) then an RIR homecoming parade.

mike65 wrote: »

RIR are in their own country, thats the point isn't it?

Like Mike says, they are a local regiment. A parade is therefore not offensive to a portion of the community. As the Sinn Fein rally is welcome by another portion. Both (unfortunately)should be allowed the freedom to blow their own trumpets as they wish.

Zand

EuskalHerria wrote: »

Brave? Bravery is having the guts to stand up against your superiors regardless of the consequences to not take part in an illegal war? Before you start with the regime change in afganistan, there are pleanty of places that need regime change! Just luck that the first place could be used as a training ground for another illegal war in iraq.







They have suffered enough? Relative to the innocent people in afganistan who have been the real victims, What have british soldiers suffered?

And before you think i am a sinn fein supporter believe me i am not, and in fact i see the irony and spite in their actions as they were one of the parties that welcomed george bush to belfast. But i do not see why an anti-war demonstration should not take place, in fact i don't see why these "heroes" are allowed march on irish streets after what they have done abroad.

Their just soldiers obeying orders, blame the politicians for creating the mess.

What have british soldiers suffered? As at 26 March 2008, a total of 176 British Armed Forces personnel or MOD civilians have died serving on Operation TELIC since the start of the campaign in March 2003.

And yes the typical hypocrites of Sinn Fein/IRA did welcome George Bush to Belfast, just to appear pro America on tv for their yank supporters.

stomprockin

stovelid wrote: »

The timing is certainly provocative, but in the context of NI, a Sinn Fein rally is no more provocative (to one side of the community) then an RIR homecoming parade.

Good point
Bote are provocative and maybe they all should be banned from marching??

Spread

Zand, you've been reading too much Kipling and you are not equipped to make a logical conclusion.

mike65

Mmmmmm, cake.

Mike

Sand

WTF, I randomly picked the name from wiki

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zand_dynasty

WAS I SUPPOSED TO ASK YOU FOR PERMISSION AS TO WHAT USER NAME I CHOOSE.

Lol - If youre going to feign innocence, dont immediately recognise what "Sooooooooo bitter" references. Someone who wasnt fakeposting would have been more like "WTF? Bitter about what?". Christ, I wait for an internet stalker for years and I get this sort of quality? FFS!

Gives me a warm feeling inside to know Ive wound you up so much.

Zand

mike65 wrote: »

RIR are in their own country, thats the point isn't it?

Mike

Yes, and the military of any country should not have to take a backseat to the terrorist murderers of Sinn Fein/IRA. As I said, most people will welcome the RIR, they know that they always do their job in a professional manner, but Sinn Fein/IRA will try and gather their usual rabble ( if they can get them out of the pubs and betting shops ) to stir up trouble - yet again.

EuskalHerria

Their just soldiers obeying orders, blame the politicians for creating the mess.

Why can soldiers not speak and think for themselves? It was politicians decision to invade iraq and afganistan, so anyone with a conscience that didn't buy into the "war on terror" bulsh*t that was being used to blind people into being more "patriotic" then they could have abstained from going on the tour of iraq surely?

What have british soldiers suffered? As at 26 March 2008, a total of 176 British Armed Forces personnel or MOD civilians have died serving on Operation TELIC since the start of the campaign in March 2003.

Not one british soldier would have died if they had refused to participate in an illegal war, instead they took a conscious decision to go to afganistan

Belfast want the rir to march on irish streets for this? Brave men indeed.

http://www.metacafe.com/watch/818203/uk_news_of_the_world_shows_british_troops_beating_iraqi_youth

stovelid

mike65 wrote: »

Mmmmmm, cake.

Mike

Bakewell tart ftw.

Spread

How come no mention of the terrorist/murderers of uda/british army?

Zand

Sand wrote: »

Lol - If youre going to feign innocence, dont immediately recognise what "Sooooooooo bitter" references. Someone who wasnt fakeposting would have been more like "WTF? Bitter about what?". Christ, I wait for an internet stalker for years and I get this sort of quality? FFS!

Gives me a warm feeling inside to know Ive wound you up so much.

Well since you did not make any comment regarding the subject whatsoever, what else was I to conclude but bearing the resemblance of your user name you got the hump ?
Sop making excuses and interfering, discuss the theme of the thread or KEEP OFF IT.

stovelid

Zand wrote: »

As I said, most people will welcome the RIR, they know that they always do their job in a professional manner

A lot of people have very real, justified, issues with the RIR, and especially their antecedents: the UDR. It's pointless to expect everybody to welcome an RIR parade. As pointless as expecting everyone to accept a Sinn Fein rally.

Both should have the right to peaceful assembly as long as it they stay out of flashpoint areas.

Sand

Well since you did not make any comment whatsoever, what else was I to conclude but bearing the resemblance of your user name you got the hump ?
Sop making excuses and interfering, discuss the theme of the thread or KEEP OFF IT.

:pac:

Oh Dlofnep...Your need to control the threads you start betrays you....

ibuprofen

Arn't the RIR a terrorist army fighting in an illegal war with a dodgy record in the north.

Check the link http://www.rirbase.co.uk/files/news.asp

Zand

stovelid wrote: »

A lot of people have very real, justified, issues with the RIR, and especially their antecedents: the UDR. It's pointless to expect everybody to welcome an RIR parade. As pointless as expecting everyone to except a Sinn Fein rally.

Both should have the right to peaceful assembly as long as it they stay out of flashpoint areas.

But can you not see, the whole point of Sinn Fein/IRA IS TO MAKE TROUBLE and insult those and the community from which they come who have given so much to the army ?

Zand

ibuprofen wrote: »

Arn't the RIR a terrorist army fighting in an illegal war with a dodgy record in the north.

Check the link http://www.rirbase.co.uk/files/news.asp

Can you and this Sand joker just keep to the theme of the thread or KEEP OFF IT. I'm trying to discuss soldiers acting under orders against terrorism and their families trying to give them a homecoming.

EuskalHerria

Zand wrote: »

But can you not see, the whole point of Sinn Fein/IRA IS TO MAKE TROUBLE and insult those and the community from which they come who have given so much to the army ?

Sinn fein/ira,Can you not tell the difference? You do realise that the ira have fully decommisioned? But im sure independant researchers just couldn't be enough proof for you, becaue your in the know;):rolleyes:

Secondly sinn fein are not going ahead with this protest now as there is enough tension with policing matters so they are not going ahead with it.

Other republican organisations who are actually against the war will be there, Eirigi and also the IRSP hopefully we will be attending and oraganising a peaceful anti-war protest to coincide with the disgraceful parade for puppets of war criminals.

Stevek101

Celebrating murderers. :rolleyes: Bunch of scum.

TOMASJ

Zand wrote: »

Sinn Fein/IRA are going to organize a provocative march on the very day that the Royal Irish Regiment are to have a homecoming parade through Belfast city centre. They have applied to the Parades Commission for a so called anti war demonstration of up to 500 people on the day 200 RIR return for a homecoming after their peace keeping tours in Iraq and Afghanistan.

These brave young men and women will be welcomed by decent who know they have a very difficult job to do and do it in the most professional manner. I'm sure the vast majority of people will agree the RIR and indeed the rest of British Army, have suffered enough trying to bring some peace and order over there, without the terrorist layabouts who support Sinn Fein/IRA insulting them on their homecoming

Does anyone know if the the RIRs comrades from UDA UFF UVF RHC PAF and the DUPs THIRD FORCE are taking part in this celebration of murder in Afganistan.
dosent seem right to not include all the tribe.;)

ibuprofen

Zand wrote: »

Can you and this Sand joker just keep to the theme of the thread or KEEP OFF IT. I'm trying to discuss soldiers acting under orders against terrorism and their families trying to give them a homecoming.

I am replying to your post .You refer to the RIR as doing their job 'in the most professional manner'. My link proves that the RIR have a bad record and do not always act professionally.

You might also remember there was an anti war march in Dublin that 100,000 attended and that not everyone agrees with celebrating an illegal war.

Fratton Fred

Since when was the war in Afghanistan illegal? I thought they were out there on a UN sanctioned mission.

podge79

do sinn fein have nothing better to do with their weekends? surely theres a few press releases that have to be done up to deny any IRA activity whatsoever in punishment beatings, bank robberies, drug seizures, (add on illegal activity of you choice here).....

EuskalHerria

podge79 wrote: »

do sinn fein have nothing better to do with their weekends? surely theres a few press releases that have to be done up to deny any IRA activity whatsoever in punishment beatings, bank robberies, drug seizures, (add on illegal activity of you choice here).....

Sinn fein now have nothing to do with this demonstration. Now that your problem with sinn fein is over, what is your opinion on parading murders?

This thread is pathetic, i can't believe i seem to be defending P$f here but the amount of small minded and uneducated drivel is unbelievable!! I do not agree with the politics of sinn fein but the fact that people here want to lob them in with "Da 'Ra" really shows how serious you expect anyone to take yee're post!

TOMASJ

podge79 wrote: »

do sinn fein have nothing better to do with their weekends? surely theres a few press releases that have to be done up to deny any IRA activity whatsoever in punishment beatings, bank robberies, drug seizures, (add on illegal activity of you choice here)

Ooo
so anyone who does not agree with the glorifying of thugs and murderers of people in Ireland. Afghanistan. or Iraq. should shut up and stay at home.
why do we not have the paras march in Derry and celebrate
these brave young men & women's
great exploits on Bloody Sunday.

dresden8

Speaking of drugs, hasn't heroin production gone through the roof in Afghanistan since the British and Americans moved in?

Strange bedfellows indeed.

podge79

you cant seriously see the connection between sinn fein and the IRA? hmmmmmm lets ask martin "I'm a member of the IRA" mcguinness and gerry "they havent gone away you know" adams

Jamey

Zand wrote: »

Yes, and the military of any country should not have to take a backseat to the terrorist murderers of Sinn Fein/IRA. As I said, most people will welcome the RIR, they know that they always do their job in a professional manner, but Sinn Fein/IRA will try and gather their usual rabble ( if they can get them out of the pubs and betting shops ) to stir up trouble - yet again.

Get over it, big deal. This stuff has been happening for years (protests, demonstrations, counter-protests, counter-demonstrations), and it's not going to end anytime soon.

It looks like you're just desperately encouraging another 'Let's all bash Republicanism" thread.

dlofnep

Iraq death toll 'soared post-war'
Poor planning, air strikes by coalition forces and a "climate of violence" have led to more than 100,000 extra deaths in Iraq, scientists claim.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3962969.stm

The use of cluster munitions in populated areas caused more civilian casualties than any other factor in the coalition´s conduct of major military operations in March and April, Human Rights Watch said. U.S. and British forces used almost 13,000 cluster munitions, containing nearly 2 million submunitions, that killed or wounded more than 1,000 civilians.

http://hrw.org/english/docs/2003/12/12/iraq6582.htm

Why would anyone welcome an army responsible for the deaths of countless civilians, and who have been documented through the wars for their breaches of human rights. Sure it wasn't so long ago they were using children as cannon fodder in Derry, and shooting innocent civilians on their way to sports events. We're expected to welcome them? you're having a laugh. It isn't only Sinn Féin that opposes their unethical, laughable war in Iraq.

dlofnep

Last month, the first British soldier convicted of a war crime was jailed for a year and dismissed from the Army after being convicted of mistreating Iraqi civilians, including the hotel worker Baha Mousa, who died of his injuries at the hands of British soldiers. In 2005, three British soldiers were jailed by a court martial in Germany after "trophy" photographs emerged, showing Iraqi detainees being abused at an aid centre called Camp Bread Basket. There are about 60 more allegations of abuse being prepared for legal claims by rights groups.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/crime/human-rights-in-iraq-a-case-to-answer-450823.html

UK armed forces in Iraq have shot and killed Iraqi civilians, including an eight-year-old girl and a guest at a wedding celebration, in situations where there was no apparent threat to themselves or others, says a new report from Amnesty International.

http://www.redress.btinternet.co.uk/amnesty.htm

Tell me again why we should welcome these "brave" soldiers?

madden1

Were those Taliban in Afghanistan not freedom fighters a few years back, and big comrades of the brits including the UDR RIR
what on earth HAPPENED

the_syco

Zand wrote: »

WAS I SUPPOSED TO ASK YOU FOR PERMISSION AS TO WHAT USER NAME I CHOOSE.

Yes :pac:

EuskalHerria wrote: »

Why can soldiers not speak and think for themselves?

They obey orders, or get court-martialed/sacked.

EuskalHerria wrote: »

Sinn fein/ira,Can you not tell the difference? You do realise that the ira have fully decommisioned?

What do you mean by IRA? PIRA decommisioned, but RIRA, INLA, etc, didn't. Members of SF have acknowledged that they were past members of PIRA. Thus, SF/IRA.

=-=

IMO, the RIR has equal rights to march down the street as PIRA has. Both have a bad record regarding shooting civilians, and both claim their war is "just".

The only difference is that PIRA was reacting to British rule, whereas RIR went over to help enfore democracy. That from that what you will.

EuskalHerria

podge79 wrote: »

you cant seriously see the connection between sinn fein and the IRA? hmmmmmm lets ask martin "I'm a member of the IRA" mcguinness and gerry "they havent gone away you know" adams

Sinn fein a right of center republican party who are being found out to be selling their principles for british pay cheques now.


The IRA, an organisation that if they had not caused a serious threat to the british establishment and brought them to the table for the political talks then we would have even more sectarian divide and social inequality worse than we have in the north.

Of course i will not be ignorant and say these organisations did not over lap more often than not, but i won't insult my intelligence by lumping them together by saying they are one and the same.

dlofnep

the_syco wrote: »

They obey orders, or get court-martialed/sacked.

I'm sure the civilians who had their family members maimed by cluster bombed would appreciate that.

Yes, that was sarcasm.

madden1

the_syco wrote: »

Yes :pac:

They obey orders, or get court-martialed/sacked.

Better court-martialed/sacked than obeying orders to kill innocent people.
don't you think

dlofnep

Sand wrote: »

:pac:

Oh Dlofnep...Your need to control the threads you start betrays you....

What are you on about?

Calina

EuskalHerria wrote: »

Sinn fein a right of center republican party....

Usually I can't be bothered posting in here but....

Sinn Féin are a socialist extreme left party in terms of policies. I don't get where you find the right of centre bit.

As for the rest of your nonsense in this post:

EuskalHerria wrote: »

The IRA, an organisation that if they had not caused a serious threat to the british establishment and brought them to the table for the political talks then we would have even more sectarian divide and social inequality worse than we have in the north.

Me thinks you don't have a clue what you are talking about. They prolonged the agony for most of my childhood, not shortened it. Only when they stopped shooting did things actually start to move.

I have no pride in any of the arms or factions that called themselves some sort of IRA, be it C or P or R. They killed people. I don't like that. I see no glory in it.

As for the subject of the original post, the word "whatever" is lining up for duty. Surely to God there's other things people could be doing.

EuskalHerria

they obey orders, or get court-martialed/sacked.

I would rather get court martialed and or sacked with dignity, than sell my soul and follow like a sheep!!

What do you mean by IRA? PIRA decommisioned, but RIRA, INLA, etc, didn't. Members of SF have acknowledged that they were past members of PIRA. Thus, SF/IRA.

INLA are on and have been on ceasefire for over 10 years, the CIRA and RIRA current campaigns are a joke and there is no need under the current political climate.

There are ex PIRA members in other political parties, by your logic are they all linked as strong as you suggest with the IRA?

IMO, the RIR has equal rights to march down the street as PIRA has. Both have a bad record regarding shooting civilians, and both claim their war is "just".

The only difference is that PIRA was reacting to British rule, whereas RIR went over to help enfore democracy. That from that what you will

I Have never ever heard of PIRA marching down the street?:eek: That would condradict their rule on "keeping quiet"

dlofnep

British troops ‘tortured and killed Iraqi civilians seized after battle’

The Attorney-General was urged yesterday to call in Scotland Yard to investigate allegations that British troops tortured and killed a number of Iraqi civilians seized after an ambush at a checkpoint in southern Iraq in May 2004.

Two British lawyers, Phil Shiner and Martyn Day, said there was evidence from Iraqi doctors’ certificates, following examination of 20 bodies, that bodies had been mutilated and that there were signs of torture having taken place. They cited two cases where Iraqis had an eye “gouged out” or “pulled out”, and another where a penis had been severed.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/iraq/article3419662.ece

dlofnep

With that in mind - Does anybody care to answer why we should welcome an army responsible for 1000's of civilian deaths? Let alone, have a parade for them?

What? No answer. End of dicussion so. Now you all understand why they are not welcome.

EuskalHerria

Usually I can't be bothered posting in here

I can see why:rolleyes:

Sinn Féin are a socialist extreme left party in terms of policies. I don't get where you find the right of centre bit.

You call my post nonsense and say i have no clue and you post that? :eek: Sinn fein have a history of putting out what they would like to say are left wing socialist policies but never ever follow through on them, show me how they are a left wing party?

Me thinks you don't have a clue what you are talking about. They prolonged the agony for most of my childhood, not shortened it. Only when they stopped shooting did things actually start to move.

how have i not a clue? i have invested a lot of my time about learning especially about the north of ireland and i won't have that questioned by someone that, has not a clue. Can i ask what has changed though? their is not as many bombings and shootings (in the mainstream media at least) but there is still serious social inequality and sectarianism is still rife?

I have no pride in any of the arms or factions that called themselves some sort of IRA, be it C or P or R. They killed people. I don't like that. I see no glory in it.

As for the subject of the original post, the word "whatever" is lining up for duty. Surely to God there's other things people could be doing

I would not glorify the death of anyone, but it is a fact that some people put themselves in a postion that compromises there safety more than others. All the organisations you have mentioned were set up to protect themselves from loyalist death squads that history proves were set up well before any of the organisations you have listed above

Calina

Sinn Féin's published policies are extreme left wing end of. Just because they don't get to put it into action very often doesn't mean that this is any different.

It was not by bombing and terrorising the population of Northern Ireland an d the UK that the IRA got their friends Sinn Fein to the negotiating table, it was by stopping. As long as they bombed and maimed NOTHING was going to change. If you do not understand this then all that study was wasted.

Additionally, the provisional IRA went a good way towards hurting and terrorising their own during their so called campaign. I assume you learned that from your extensive study on the subject.

What has changed? I see - for the most part - a lot more hope in Northern Ireland than I did 20 years ago when the IRA were bombing their way around it. It is that hope which leads to change, not bombs.

dlofnep

The British Army did their fair share of killing and maiming in the North Calina, or has your memory become selective?

Calina

Nope, but that doesn't justify the IRA in any shape or form.