Patch 3.0.2 gone live today

Mr. CooL ICE

The pre-WotLK patch has been launched today, so what do people think of the changes that have been brought in? I didn't look at the patch notes before today, so some things were a surprise to me.

New mage talent builds so far kick ass. I have gone for deep frost with a 0/5/56. Strangely enough, the launched tree didn't match the calculator on the wow-europe website, so my planned build had to be changed slightly. But I like the 15% chance for a clearcast instant fireball. Almost imba

The changes in the character screens are odd. Bag space is saved if you own multiple mounts due to them being considered 'pets' now. The PVP tab is changed to 'currency' and takes account of all tokens, honour, etc.

I am a bit miffed that the epic 3-piece tailoring speciality sets had their stats changed from specific +magic to overall magic (e.g. spellfire changed from arcane+fire to +spell damage), as I had planned on levelling WotLK in frost, so had the frozen shadowweave set crafted by the time I dinged 70 last week. Would have gone spellfire spec if I had bothered reading the patch notes


What are people's opinions?

Ass

My realm isn't fully operational yet. Still getting horrific lag. Takes about 40 minutes to get from the character screen to fully logged in.

Ivan

Yeah, lag and world server crashes seem to be the changes that are affecting the most people, the most consistently

Still, a patch this size, I guess it is to be expected...

WellyJ

LordChessington wrote: »

I am a bit miffed that the epic 3-piece tailoring speciality sets had their stats changed from specific +magic to overall magic (e.g. spellfire changed from arcane+fire to +spell damage), as I had planned on levelling WotLK in frost, so had the frozen shadowweave set crafted by the time I dinged 70 last week. Would have gone spellfire spec if I had bothered reading the patch notes


What are people's opinions?

This confuses me a bit,

Surely you should take this as a good thing?

I also have this set on my mage, and i think its amazing now that it will boost my arcane frost and fire.

Where is the downside to this?

Spec whatever way you want while still getting your bonus damage

Mr. CooL ICE

WellyJ wrote: »

This confuses me a bit,

Surely you should take this as a good thing?

I also have this set on my mage, and i think its amazing now that it will boost my arcane frost and fire.

Where is the downside to this?

Spec whatever way you want while still getting your bonus damage

It's a good thing AND a bad thing. I chose shadowweave because I wanted the +fr damage for the first few levels in WotLK. If I had known that the +spell dmg would have been generic, I would have gone spellfire for the set bonus, as i think the shadowweave set bonus is crap in comparison. Also, spellcloth is (or was) much cheaper than shadowcloth on my server, and motes of fire are much easier to farm than motes of water when you're frost specced, due to water elementals and their immunity to +fr dmg.


Also, lack of addons is annoying. The new cartographer = teh ghey

Anti

Im on, been on ages now about 2 hours. Have respecced 2 lvl 70's and omg. Hunter is just stupidly imba, same with the lock. Played about a bit with my 53 warrior too and the dps jump is crazy 105 upto 160ish.

Also, certain mods/addons like xperl seem to disable ingame chat which is strange. Questhelper refuses to load. But id imagine a new version will be out tomorrow

Oh yeah, tried to pvp a warrior dual wielding 2 x 2h weps... i think i lasted abotu 2 seconds.

DRakE

Anyone got a decent link for the patch? I don't have an active subscription but I like to keep up to date just in case :O

Orion

Drake - there's mirrors on Wowwiki.com - link on front page.

I'm the same re: shadoweave - I have two parts made already and making shadowcloth for the third. Would have gone spell too.

Can anyone tell me how to activate my addons now? The addons button is gone from the character selection screen.

DRakE

Cheers, got a rapidshare link

Anti

http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/tags/wotlk/default.aspx

list of addons that work. ive tested the usuals and they seem fine.

TheDoc

I dont know about anyone else, but I'm hearing all my guildies etc saying how there chars have all been stronger, but mine, is pants.

I've been reading all over the net, how shadow priests are feeling ****ed over again, which we are. We dont accept that we are a dps class, we are a raid class, an essential part to every group.

A shadow priest is so useful its ridic, my guild find me indispensible in raids. The mana we give to the team, the added healing we give through casting offensive spells.

Shadow seem very nerfed, and im totally lost as to what to put my points in to make it better, and the priest community feel the same. I've broken my backside on hours of play to get good dps gear ( which is pants for shadow priests) and now im totally lost. Looks like i need to go back to holy, or try disc, which ive never tried before.

Saying that im rolling a DeahtKnight new expo , they look immensly cool, their builds are all simple and imba, and look the biz...but still, seems my priest is dead, im not arsed grinding more hours upon hours to try get holy gear etc.

Anti

you must be doning something wrong, as we have a few SP's in our guild who pump out crazy dps. And their gear is nothign fantastic !

Nehaxak

Manties, what spec are you running with on the Hunter ?

I like patches and huge changes like this myself as I've 5 x 70's to respec and enjoy again on live

DRakE

Manties wrote: »

you must be doning something wrong, as we have a few SP's in our guild who pump out crazy dps. And their gear is nothign fantastic !

I pumped some crazy deeps when I was playing lols =]

Mana back xlan they called me

Orion

Manties wrote: »

http://wow.curse.com/downloads/wow-addons/tags/wotlk/default.aspx

list of addons that work. ive tested the usuals and they seem fine.

It's not that - I downloaded the essential updated ones - but I've no addons button on the Char Selection screen

Woden

just about to start the ui fun.

this curse client is a pos bring back wau

Krieg

Bah, 12 hours of downloading and that patch finally finishes
Then I was going to go onto wow website to reactivate my account but its been down all day.....

Einstein

spent all my talents back to the affliction tree...
Maybe its my imagination...but I took out a mob of about 6 or 7 ogres in about 15 seconds..then again...could be my new haircut

affliction ftw!

Orion

Affli is crap in heroics tho - was just in Heroic SV - no damn time on mobs for dots to have much affect. Apart from healer the group wasn't well geared and we did the instance in about 45 mins.

Anti

Nehaxak wrote: »

Manties, what spec are you running with on the Hunter ?

I like patches and huge changes like this myself as I've 5 x 70's to respec and enjoy again on live

I went with a slightly unorthodox 7/54/0 the added crit is zomg. 36.7% in pvp gear and just under 30 in pve.

Heres a link in case you wanna try it out

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-sheet.xml?r=Moonglade&n=M%C3%A9ndez


Went pretty much full affli on my lock too with some in demon and destro. and i agree its stupidly OP. Haunt is just a joke. And that demon form... LOL 1k damage per second just from the aura. Something tells me this will be the future pvp spec for locks.

http://eu.wowarmory.com/character-talents.xml?r=Moonglade&n=Mendez

Just checked there, and the armory hasnt updated the new tallets yet

Splinter

[DM]-TheDOC- wrote: »

I dont know about anyone else, but I'm hearing all my guildies etc saying how there chars have all been stronger, but mine, is pants.

I've been reading all over the net, how shadow priests are feeling ****ed over again, which we are. We dont accept that we are a dps class, we are a raid class, an essential part to every group.

A shadow priest is so useful its ridic, my guild find me indispensible in raids. The mana we give to the team, the added healing we give through casting offensive spells.

Shadow seem very nerfed, and im totally lost as to what to put my points in to make it better, and the priest community feel the same. I've broken my backside on hours of play to get good dps gear ( which is pants for shadow priests) and now im totally lost. Looks like i need to go back to holy, or try disc, which ive never tried before.

Saying that im rolling a DeahtKnight new expo , they look immensly cool, their builds are all simple and imba, and look the biz...but still, seems my priest is dead, im not arsed grinding more hours upon hours to try get holy gear etc.

my main is a shadowpriest, and yes we still appear to have low dps but there is some serious changes you need to watch, the fact that devouring plague is now one of your main dots every 26seconds and you only need to apply swp once with the right spec. the crits on mindflay are awesome, i crit 3 ticks in a row at 1500 each along with the other ticks in it. mind blast at 3-4k crits too

also they are changing shadowform and VE soon

Vampiric Embrace:
now only gives back 5% of your dps in health to the party which is a nerf. but gives back 25% of your dps in health to you. (thats cool)

Shadowform:
while in shadowform, your SWP,DP and VT gain an additional damage bonus based on their crit. so 25% crit on your gear and you get a 25% damage increase on those spells while cast in shadowform (very cool!)

also Vampiric touch now gives back twice as much mana, its been doubled

overall im happy with the patch. its all good!

TheDoc

yeah, typical panicer ehre me, I've played some more and its ok, but what im noticing big time is

In BG, everyone is dieing faster. I'm literally getting 1/2 shotted by paladins mostly, and there seems to be some uproar about paladins being back to imba.

But I have noticed that players are dieing alot faster, its like they removed armour or soemthing. Rogues for example, usually have high resist against my spells, but i have been casting on them like theres no tomorrow.

Patch overall is ok, changes are ok, some are happy some arnt. New features are gimicks, achievements, 12gold to get your haircut and some other gimicky things. Achievements are ok should you get them, but I cant see myself ever gonig outa my way to get them.

I guess time will tell, i did find that my "spellpower" is higher then my old spelldmg was, but still seeing my dps has lowered, when everyone else says they have got an increase.

Can say im too dissapointed, new talents are cool, the mindflay thing is cool that it resets SWP.

And sure im rolling DK come enw patch so :P

Berns

Dinged 69 the other day with lock. Had previously went Demo mainly, then changed to affliction. Went demo again last night after the patch so hoping should cause more damage in dungeons again. Thought the deamon form might be a laugh

http://www.armory-light.com/eu/Terenas/Bernzilla

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Rogue at 70. Dunno if spec is ok or not. Wanted to try Fist weapon and Dagger from Hyjal but seems damage doesn't look the best even with 10 points spent between CQC & Malice.

Warcrafter
http://be.imba.hu/?zone=EU&realm=Terenas&character=Bouncinbetty
At the moment. Didnt think there was 2 unused In work so cant check.

Also have these 2 swords which seem'd to give more damage in melee attack profile thingy. Just dunno weather to go back to combat swords with these like before patch or try dagger and fist weapon.
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=28295 with mongoose
http://www.wowhead.com/?item=34609 with greater agility

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Advice on either would be appreciated

Einstein

am i missing something..

i've seen links in the last day or so where people are spending points half way down a tree??

Like the one Manties posted...the destro tree...how did ye get ruin without devastation?

DRakE

i'm gagging to resub, log in and change my hairstyle

Anti

Einstein wrote: »

am i missing something..

i've seen links in the last day or so where people are spending points half way down a tree??

Like the one Manties posted...the destro tree...how did ye get ruin without devastation?

Thats bugged i think. as im sure i dont have it.

Berns

Einstein wrote: »

am i missing something..

i've seen links in the last day or so where people are spending points half way down a tree??

Like the one Manties posted...the destro tree...how did ye get ruin without devastation?

Think some sites like Warcrafter aint updated the talent trees and they are bugged as a result. Some stuff go over and some have changed and dont match the current ones.

Einstein

Berns wrote: »

Think some sites like Warcrafter aint updated the talent trees and they are bugged as a result. Some stuff go over and some have changed and dont match the current ones.

was pretty sure that was the prob alright...

i'm stupidly addicted to this game...who ever thought a barber shop could make a 30 year old giggle like a child

Nehaxak

Cheers Manties.

Think I'll go back to MM on the Hunter when I get home later. Just went BM to see what the DPS increase was like with the pet. BM was alright but I miss playing as MM in pvp.

Have to say though that I was really enjoying playing the Mage last night in pvp, full on Arcane spec and the damage output from the instants was great, without being too overpowered.

Played my Shaman (Elemental) for a couple of BG's and gave up. Honestly still of the belief that the Shaman as a class is dead and gone and don't see anything improving anytime soon, it's even worse in the beta and that's a couple patches ahead of the live now at this stage.

DRakE

logged into my mates account earlier today.. i was so close to resubbing to **** about with all my characters again.. :[ i think i'll be able to hold out til wotlk is released tho

Kiith

I wasnt able to hold out

Dcully

Kiith wrote: »

I wasnt able to hold out

Lolz your not alone,i tried to log onto the wo europe site just now to resub but its down.
Are the Gods trying to keep me away i wonder

I enjoy WAR but man i miss some good old fashioned PVE.

Anything interesting to make a guy want to lvl his priest to 80?

Anti

Lads your gonna do anyway, so do it nao

mayordenis

My shammie and Lock our now way more awesome in fact it's like they just jazzed the whole thing up a notch - shammie wolves are fun

Blowfish

Definitely liking it so far.

the 33% extra damage that I've ended up with on my Holy Priest. That combined with the change to spell pushback means I can take on groups of 4-5 mobs without much difficulty.

The level 60 frost mage I'm levelling is slightly ridiculous. I've 3 bits of OL gear with the rest being crap greens, some of those having a level 20 requirement. Most mobs are dead before they are close enough for me to need to frost nova

Magill

Nehaxak wrote: »

Played my Shaman (Elemental) for a couple of BG's and gave up. Honestly still of the belief that the Shaman as a class is dead and gone and don't see anything improving anytime soon, it's even worse in the beta and that's a couple patches ahead of the live now at this stage.

Are you crazy ? shamans are insanely good now, maybe not elemental tho, as i dont have a set, but Resto and Enhance are awesome. Should get some enhancement gear pal, its absolutely insane. Just running round killing mobs in a couple of seconds, endless mana, got our own little super pets, stuns sprints taunts, can do a instant spellcast usually every fight along with the shocks.

Resto is crazy aswell, just as much survivablity with some hots to boot.


Really did enjoy playing the game for a few hours today, inscription is great. Got my Troll shammy a nice red mohawk.

smellslikeshoes

Was healing a few runs for a group guildy alts yesterday and one thing that has struck me is ret pallys are unbelievably overpowered. The group consisted of me on my priest main healing, a newly dinged 70 druid tank with mostly green with some blue gear and two ret pallys one 66 and one 67 with the usual leveling sort of gear. As a 4 man group we done all the Auchindoun instances in normal with ease including a deathless and effortless SL (by effortless I mean REALLY effortless).

After Auchindoun we went to Caverns of Time and cleared a normal Old hillsbrad and then we went to Black Morass. Completed BM in normal with total ease so we decided it was time for a heroic, enlisted the help of a kara geared rogue alt of a guildy as our fifth and since we were already in COT and the previous runs pushed the low level Pallys to honoured with keepers of time we decided to do a heroic BM. At this stage the Pallys had gotten a level each so we were going into a heroic with a 67 ret Pally, a 68 Ret Pally, a poorly geared druid tank, a good geared priest and a decent geared rogue. None of us even knew if you could get into a heroic at 67 until we tried it. We wiped once because of the adds killing one of the Pallys but we completed it on our second try. As far as runs go it wasn't much harder than your average PUG run and 3 badges for someone at 67 must have been a great feeling. Moral of the story is ret Pallys=Imba.

DRakE

Kiith wrote: »

I wasnt able to hold out

snap

Nehaxak

Yes it is mainly Elemental Shamans they fecked up. Get's a *little* bit better when you hit 75 and get new spell but really...Meh, might be me just pished off at being nerf'd so much.

Bloody hell though, can't believe how powerful they've made the Mage in PVP with Arcane spec, my Mage has 5 pieces S1 set, blue staff and the rest mostly greens and was getting crits on Arcane Barrage of near 6k last night in pvp !
Now it was bombing out on players with high resillience (only getting 3k crits on them) but geez, bloody godly instant damage output in pvp.

I do though still die in like 2 or 3 hits, real glass cannon.

Anti

Use that bubble thing you now have. it will keep you alove, and then moltn armor or whatever it is. Mages were a breeze before, bbut not they are hard work. Rogues... Lol they just hit 1 shotted now. Dual 2h wielding warriors are scaring me ****less, and retardins.. lets not go there.

TheDoc

it seems rogues, warriors and loladins are just imba, the amount of them that are 1 shotting me.

After a bit more play finding my Shadow priest a bit...meh. Before I had the advantage of staying alive for a little bit, and getting out some dps etc, but now, its literally one shot for everything. Its like Blizz have removed armour completely.

For pve, my shadow priest is the biz, doing some nice dps and really aiding my raid group. But its leaving alot to be desired.

Also the amount of server shutdowns ive experienced, I know its a big patch, but youd think they would anticipate this kinda stuff

nix

TBH my rogue doesnt seem "IMBA", Murder spree is fun but weak and the rest of the tree is poor for pvp. Shadow dance is nice but its confusing at first, need to get used to it tbh so many more buttons to press hehe

I have my eye on mutilate build but need to get another dagger ><

ZorbaTehZ

Bloody college, no time to play wow /grumble /grumble

Falcon.ie

ZorbaTehZ wrote: »

Bloody college, no time to play wow /grumble /grumble

+1

Played an hour of PvP tonite and general bits and pieces to see what the story was with the patch, using my Holy Pala(70), Not really that impressed to be honest, mostly gimicky adjustments like the Barber shop,Award system etc. The Resto Pala's as previously said seem to be Overpowered, and possibly the holy's a little left behind in the apparent(to me anyway) rebalancing of the Resto and Prot tree's. Gonna see if I can get on my Shammy or Mage later today.

Dcully

IMO all classes take too much damage for some reason in pvp.
Then again wow pvp has always been crap.
WAR for pvp and WOW for pve seems like a plan.

Krieg

Dcully wrote: »

IMO all classes take too much damage for some reason in pvp.
Then again wow pvp has always been crap.
WAR for pvp and WOW for pve seems like a plan.

Agreed

Although, Blizzard have wanted to balance pvp for the purpose of e-sport for some time now, Might happen?
(On second thought, no it won't)


Haven't had much time to play with around with it due to college, but I like a lot of the stuff they implemented. Bring on the expansion

Anti

Have been playign my warrior non stop the last couple of day(now lvl 61) and have to say im enjoying being prot, i find its higher dps then any other spec atm. And tanking using thunderclap and a glyph that makes it possibleto put devistate on 2 targets is just great fun. Been leveling with alot of retardins, and seriously OP is the only word. They are like some kind of bastardized rogues in plate with a bit of shammy thrown in for good measure.

fun fun.

Dr_MaSoN

Manties wrote: »

Have been playign my warrior non stop the last couple of day(now lvl 61) and have to say im enjoying being prot, i find its higher dps then any other spec atm.

erm what?

Anti

Dr_MaSoN wrote: »

erm what?

I mean i find prot better dps then fury and arms. Should have made that more clear.

Blowfish

Manties wrote: »

Been leveling with alot of retardins, and seriously OP is the only word.

Definitely. Blitzed through SP, UB and BF yesterday with a 4 man alt run, 62 Retadin, 65 Holy Priest, 65 Enh Shammy and myself a 63 frost mage. We were in and out of BF in under 30 mins with the retadin averaging 680 dps. That's decent enough dps for a pre nerf beginning to mid Kara run, on a level 62 it's just ridiculous.

Anti

Aye i did the same yesterday, but remember the instances have been seriously nerfed. I should not have been able to tank UB with easy with a lvl 61 prot pala healign me in UB. Especially as im still in alot of lvl 50 gear.