Who's ordering a New car for 2009 Thread

bazzachazza

Just wondering is anyone ordering a new car for Jan delivery.

To get the ball rolling I'm ordering the facelifted A6 either later today or tomorrow morning as long as VRT is not changed in the carbon budget.

Its the 170bhp diesel with Xenon headlights, folding rear seats, front and rear parking sensors and Audi audio interface.:cool:

smash

Are you here to gloat?

furtzy

Was thinking off an 09 Legacy Outback diesel.....but then I drove it!
Nope pay off my own and then see how the market is

cantdecide

I think the Leggy estate is a lovely car. Brilliant value, too. No auto yet, though.

bazzachazza

steve06 wrote: »

Are you here to gloat?

Maybe a little bit and for that i apologise.

But as this is a Motor forum i was hoping to hear from other people who are still going to order a new car after what happened in July and whether or not they are getting good deals.

smash

well carbon budget is being announced today so VRT might get hit so put in the order right now to get a good price because it'll probably be going up!

Actually you're getting a diesel - maybe it'll come down a bit... depends on the CO2 though!

furtzy

cantdecide wrote: »

I think the Leggy estate is a lovely car. Brilliant value, too. No auto yet, though.

Was very disapointed in it. Gear ratios too long and only 5 of them. Engine was very noisy. Leather was terrible quality. Really wanted to like it as I love subarus. Heard there is a 190bhp six speed set-up on the way.

bazzachazza

steve06 wrote: »

well carbon budget is being announced today so VRT might get hit so put in the order right now to get a good price because it'll probably be going up!

Actually you're getting a diesel - maybe it'll come down a bit... depends on the CO2 though!

Dealer said he could only guarantee the trade-in value he has to pass on anything the Government changes. So thats why I'm waiting before i jump.

Cookie_Monster

Would a change in vrt not have been released yesterday along with all the other taxes?

bazzachazza

Fingers crossed it should have been mentioned yesterday and not in todays carbon budget.

Just got a quote from insurance company of only an extra €95 on top of current policy i.e about €570. It pays to be over 30 i guess(but not by much ).

bazzachazza

furtzy wrote: »

Was very disapointed in it. Gear ratios too long and only 5 of them. Engine was very noisy. Leather was terrible quality. Really wanted to like it as I love subarus. Heard there is a 190bhp six speed set-up on the way.

190bhp ouch that should move. I have plumped for the 170bhp version (A6 not Sub) and that should shift but a 190bhp would be unreal. Shame to here your not happy, considering Subaru's are generally quality cars.

cantdecide

bazzachazza wrote: »

190bhp ouch that should move. I have plumped for the 170bhp version (A6 not Sub) and that should shift but a 190bhp would be unreal. Shame to here your not happy, considering Subaru's are generally quality cars.

Very utilitarian and not great finishes. Think of them like a Toyota worth washing on a Sunday. My brother gave a 2.5 one hell for 45k and i couldn't figure out how it was staying together.

Still better than it's competitors all things considered, as long as you're not looking for luxury.

rebel.ranter

bazzachazza wrote: »

Its the 170bhp diesel with Xenon headlights, folding rear seats, front and rear parking sensors and Audi audio interface.:cool:

Any leather or nice alloys? I had a rental 3.2 Quattro A6, fully loaded while I was over in the states. I really liked the A6. Best of luck with it.

lafors

bazzachazza wrote: »

Fingers crossed it should have been mentioned yesterday and not in todays carbon budget.

Just got a quote from insurance company of only an extra €95 on top of current policy i.e about €570. It pays to be over 30 i guess(but not by much ).

Where are people getting the idea the is a "carbon budget" today?
I haven't seen nor heard of one from anywhere but boards?

I realise there was one last December, but I couldn't even find anything about one today on the Greens site........maybe I'm wrong but I don't think so.

rabbitinlights

Yeah, any more info on it? Or even a time as i would be very interested to know.

S.

Blitzkrieger

You know there's something wrong with your under-powered car when you start talking about the headlights and the folding seats as features......

cantdecide

Blitzkrieger wrote: »

You know there's something wrong with your under-powered car when you start talking about the headlights and the folding seats as features......

BBUUUURRRRRNNNN!!!!1

kluivert

So only one person is buying a new car then.

-Chris-

kluivert wrote: »

So only one person is buying a new car then.

:(:(:(:(

kluivert

AudiChris wrote: »

:(:(:(:(

The budget did nothing to help businesses.

It only served to fuel the fire in my opinion, therefore I forecast that in 2009 second hand sales will rise and new car sales will lower still.

The reason for this is that ordinary joe soaps where over borrowing to pay for the Audi or BMW which is now definitely out of reach.

superjosh9

don't forget the "me too" mentality! things went nuts...

I'd be surprised if second hand prices increased.

bazzachazza

Under powered maybe to you but every car i have bought has seen a power increase over the last including this one.

Yes alloys have been improved but didn't trump for the leather.

-Chris-

bazzachazza wrote: »

Under powered maybe to you but every car i have bought has seen a power increase over the last including this one.

It's all relative - the 170BHP will feel underpowered to some people (a Golf GTI driver, for instance) but will feel quick to others.

I personally think it's a great engine for the car, much smoother and more linear than the last 2.0TDi. Now it has the power to keep up with the BMW, which is what it needed. If I were in the market for an A6 I'd certainly be happy with 170BHP.

eringobragh

kluivert wrote: »

It only served to fuel the fire in my opinion

Careful now. That fuel is 8c dearer now.

I doubt there'll be a buying spree in January seen as there'll good value to be had on 08 cars there were landed with unless your a plate snob.

junkyard

Buying a new car here is a complete waste of money here unless you can write it off against your taxes, there are too many bargains to be had either importing, buying repo or haggleing with a dealer. Things are desperate now you know.:(.

Biro

furtzy wrote: »

Was very disapointed in it. Gear ratios too long and only 5 of them. Engine was very noisy. Leather was terrible quality. Really wanted to like it as I love subarus. Heard there is a 190bhp six speed set-up on the way.

I'm surprised to hear that you found the quietest diesel on the market noisey. I also wouldn't worry about 5 speed, diesels only need 5 gears, 6 is only a small bonus. What do you drive currently?
Leather is terrible quality in 80% of cars out there, don't know why the Irish go weak at the knees for it in a car.

TheDriver

Going to buy a pro_ceed ex diesel, depending on price for my own and all things considered. Will get down to ordering in coming 2 weeks!

Matt Simis

junkyard wrote: »

Buying a new car here is a complete waste of money here unless you can write it off against your taxes, there are too many bargains to be had either importing, buying repo or haggleing with a dealer. Things are desperate now you know.:(.

Any details on "buying repo"?

furtzy

Biro wrote: »

I'm surprised to hear that you found the quietest diesel on the market noisey. I also wouldn't worry about 5 speed, diesels only need 5 gears, 6 is only a small bonus. What do you drive currently?
Leather is terrible quality in 80% of cars out there, don't know why the Irish go weak at the knees for it in a car.

It wasn't quiet not by a long shot. Was very loud at idle even after it had warmed up. Had a long drive in it and its definitely missing the extra gear. Have you driven it yourself? I had my heart set on one and was very disappointed. Drive a Vectra Sri CDTi 150 (loadsa letters!) and found my own engine way better. As I said apparently there is a 190 bhp coming out with the new 2010 Legacy. I agree with your that most leather out there isn't great but the Legacys was really bad especially in the back.

furtzy

TheDriver wrote: »

Going to buy a pro_ceed ex diesel, depending on price for my own and all things considered. Will get down to ordering in coming 2 weeks!

Parents have one and its a wee gem. Great little engine. They've had more cars than hot dinners Audis' VW, Subaru, Honda and everything in between and they say its their favourite car so far

pburns

furtzy wrote: »

Was very disapointed in it. Gear ratios too long and only 5 of them. Engine was very noisy. Leather was terrible quality. Really wanted to like it as I love subarus. Heard there is a 190bhp six speed set-up on the way.

I have a diesel Legacy and was disappointed by this at first. However the engine loosens up A LOT with a bit of mileage. My own is loosening up nicely at about 5500kms. I've driven one with 9000kms and it's even better so don't be too quick to judge.

245, another owner on this board has had a similar experience.

190bhp version of the next-gen Legacy (mid 09 AFAIK) should be an awesome car - as long as Subaru don't screw up the styling...

cyborg

pburns wrote: »

I have a diesel Legacy and was disappointed by this at first. However the engine loosens up A LOT with a bit of mileage. My own is loosening up nicely at about 5500kms. I've driven one with 9000kms and it's even better so don't be too quick to judge.

245, another owner on this board has had a similar experience.

190bhp version of the next-gen Legacy (mid 09 AFAIK) should be an awesome car - as long as Subaru don't screw up the styling...

........... like they did with the impreza

Stevie Dakota

TheDriver wrote: »

Going to buy a pro_ceed ex diesel, depending on price for my own and all things considered. Will get down to ordering in coming 2 weeks!

Why order, they must have a surplus of these in the current market, walk into the showrooms in January and bag yourself a bargain.

Marcus.Aurelius

Matt Simis wrote: »

Any details on "buying repo"?

Merlin auctions often have repossessed cars for sale alongside ex state stuff.

furtzy

pburns wrote: »

I have a diesel Legacy and was disappointed by this at first. However the engine loosens up A LOT with a bit of mileage. My own is loosening up nicely at about 5500kms. I've driven one with 9000kms and it's even better so don't be too quick to judge.

245, another owner on this board has had a similar experience.

190bhp version of the next-gen Legacy (mid 09 AFAIK) should be an awesome car - as long as Subaru don't screw up the styling...

Very interesting. Must try and get a spin in a demo with a few more miles on it. One i drove only had a few klms on it. Would wait for the next gen one at this stage. Have seen a few shots of it on the web and it looks quite well much more conservative make over than the pig ugly impreza. Any word of an auto on the next gen model? Now that would tick all the boxes

Biro

furtzy wrote: »

It wasn't quiet not by a long shot. Was very loud at idle even after it had warmed up. Had a long drive in it and its definitely missing the extra gear. Have you driven it yourself? I had my heart set on one and was very disappointed. Drive a Vectra Sri CDTi 150 (loadsa letters!) and found my own engine way better. As I said apparently there is a 190 bhp coming out with the new 2010 Legacy. I agree with your that most leather out there isn't great but the Legacys was really bad especially in the back.

I'm surprised, haven't driven it yet, but hopefully soon, as I'm curious to see what it's like. I'm going by Autocar's review on it at the moment, and I usually find them to be fairly on the ball with these things.
I know that Vectra engine too. It was quiet and refined in it's day, but it's a little older now, Fiat are updating it soon I think.

furtzy

Biro wrote: »

I'm surprised, haven't driven it yet, but hopefully soon, as I'm curious to see what it's like. I'm going by Autocar's review on it at the moment, and I usually find them to be fairly on the ball with these things.
I know that Vectra engine too. It was quiet and refined in it's day, but it's a little older now, Fiat are updating it soon I think.

pburns says it gets better with a few miles on it. I'm sure subaru will improve on it with the 190 version as they certainly know their engineering.
With the market the way it is I'll be holding on to the Vectra.
There is a twin-turbo 180 version of the Fiat engine which is a cracker. Its available in the Saab 9-3. Pity GM fell out with them and now use their own diesels which aren't a patch on the Fiat unit. Drove it in the Antara and it wasn't great

PattheMetaller

What about trade in values?. I know its all about cost to change, but you don't want the piss taken on the value of your trade in.

I was in the hunt late Sept, was told they wouldn't name a trade in price until end Oct.

Bandara

bazzachazza wrote: »

Fingers crossed it should have been mentioned yesterday and not in todays carbon budget.

Just got a quote from insurance company of only an extra €95 on top of current policy i.e about €570. It pays to be over 30 i guess(but not by much ).

I'd price around a bit more mate, I'm paying €420 for a BMW 330Ci which has 231bhp, think its with Royal and Sun Alliance, might be worth a call

jaybee747

Am considering a new motor in 09 but to be honest my heads wreck as regards what to get. I'd be looking at value for money,low running costs and high mpg. Also going to hang on a little into 09 and see what garages knock out a half decent deal, gimme something free!!

niceirishfella

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

Why order, they must have a surplus of these in the current market, walk into the showrooms in January and bag yourself a bargain.

+1 - hanging back a bit into the new year will see anyone get a lot more bang for their buck - mid Feb onwards i'd say......the car sales party is over.

cantdecide

jaybee747 wrote: »

Am considering a new motor in 09 but to be honest my heads wreck as regards what to get. I'd be looking at value for money,low running costs and high mpg. Also going to hang on a little into 09 and see what garages knock out a half decent deal, gimme something free!!

This kind of criteria will not allow you to get a bargain- post some details like budget and useage and I'm sure you'll see some real value for money.

245

pburns wrote: »

I have a diesel Legacy and was disappointed by this at first. However the engine loosens up A LOT with a bit of mileage. My own is loosening up nicely at about 5500kms. I've driven one with 9000kms and it's even better so don't be too quick to judge.

245, another owner on this board has had a similar experience.

190bhp version of the next-gen Legacy (mid 09 AFAIK) should be an awesome car - as long as Subaru don't screw up the styling...

Mine has 9700 km on it and is definitely getting faster and more flexible - the gearbox is also quite notchy when new but frees up nicely apart from reverse which I don't often use so maybe time will take care of that. I agree that there are other diesels that are quieter at idle but thats just one aspect of the engine. It spins very smoothly up to 5000 rpm with a wide power band - it also sounds great under full bore acceleration - being a boxer diesel it has a unique sound. According to Honest John its got lower interior noise levels than a Rolls Royce Phantom - its very quiet at motorway speeds - its geared to run at around 30.3 mph per 1000 rpm (again according to Honest John) so that suggests that it'll spin at 2,300 rpm at 120 km/h - I've never remembered to check. Overall I think that its a great car, and decent value too.

I think that you either 'get' Subarus or you don't - people look for different things in cars so if you didn't like it then maybe its not your kind of car. I've driven/owned a wide mix of cars and am happy to say that this is the most 'complete' car that I've ever had. That's not to say that its perfect, but it keeps me very happy and I suspect that it'll be hard to replace when the time comes.

bazzachazza

Hammertime wrote: »

I'd price around a bit more mate, I'm paying €420 for a BMW 330Ci which has 231bhp, think its with Royal and Sun Alliance, might be worth a call

Thats who I'm with and have tried others but they are far the best for me.

Thanks anyway.

DonJose

bazzachazza wrote: »

Just wondering is anyone ordering a new car for Jan delivery.

To get the ball rolling I'm ordering the facelifted A6 either later today or tomorrow morning as long as VRT is not changed in the carbon budget.

Its the 170bhp diesel with Xenon headlights, folding rear seats, front and rear parking sensors and Audi audio interface.:cool:

Are you getting leather seats, it amazes me the amount of A6's for sale without leather seats.

DonJose

bazzachazza wrote: »

Under powered maybe to you but every car i have bought has seen a power increase over the last including this one.

Yes alloys have been improved but didn't trump for the leather.

No leather :eek:

furtzy

DonJose wrote: »

No leather :eek:

Exactly. Would have thought the absense of leather in an executive model like the A6 would seriously affect the desirability of the model at trade-in or resale. Wouldn't even look at an A6 without leather

superjosh9

I hate leather. It *looks* nice in the showroom but as soon as you start using the car, it cracks, it wears away, it makes your clothes shiny, it's fragile to certain buttoned clothes, it has no ventilation if standard-spec leather and makes you overheat. Also, it's too cold in cold weather and far too hot in hot weather.

I for one, and I know of many others, purposely do *not* buy leather.

I really don't get it - it's another one of those things that got going here during the boom time. I remember only say 15 years ago it was still very rare to have leather in cars, even in 5-series/e-class etc.

Cookie_Monster

superjosh9 wrote: »

I hate leather.

+1


And I hope to get a new exeo later in the year.
(depending on the test drive)

Knock down, better looking Audi, W00T

DonJose

superjosh9 wrote: »

I hate leather. It *looks* nice in the showroom but as soon as you start using the car, it cracks, it wears away, it makes your clothes shiny, it's fragile to certain buttoned clothes, it has no ventilation if standard-spec leather and makes you overheat. Also, it's too cold in cold weather and far too hot in hot weather.

I for one, and I know of many others, purposely do *not* buy leather.

I really don't get it - it's another one of those things that got going here during the boom time. I remember only say 15 years ago it was still very rare to have leather in cars, even in 5-series/e-class etc.

I bought 08 Ford Galaxy with leather seats and I love them, once its a quality leather its very easy to maintain. When the kids spill something, a simple wipe and the stain is gone. In winter when its cold I put the heater on, in summer when its "hit" I put the AC on. My leather seats have perforations so it breathes, I actually find them more body heat friendly than cloth seats which make you sweat in hot weather.

bazzachazza

No leather for me.

Its a €3000 extra that would blow the budget.

I have leather on my S40 and I don't like it after 3 and a half years use its starting to look shiny it shows up every little mark and yes you have to be carefull with what clothes you and everyone wheres so you don't rip the leather surface.

Its far to hot after its been sitting in the sun and too cold in winter months, I do have heated seats but it takes a few minutes to warm up.

But to get heated seats and climate seats its far too much money in the A6.

So I will live with the cloth.