Who actually voted for FF last time around

delop

If ppl were interested it would be great to get a poll setup...

there is no alternative Motive on my part, its just I havent met anyone who says they voted for FF last time round in the GA, Im very curious about who might have voted them in, and why and of course

And finally was it worth it

I voted FG and Independant last time, in a effort to force a change....

delop

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

In answer to your question, builders, developers, and idiots.

So I guess you didnt vote FF :-)

Thats the easy answer, but there cant be that many ppl in Construction, enough to carry them thru an election....

but then again, it seems the budget was very fair to the construction industry, so possibly they are protecting the grass roots...

If its true, we will have FF in office for ever..

Also slightly off topic, Did Bertie show up in the Dail yesterday?

BlaasForRafa

Everyones vote is private but in the circumstances sod it, I'll answer.

I voted for the Labour/FG pact, not for idealogical reasons but because I thought FF weren't managing the economy properly and government spending was not under control. Course I didn't realise just how badly FF/PDs were screwing up the economy at the time, its turned out far worse than my worst fears with the prospect of much more gloom to come

ednwireland

Fg and sinn fein if you must know
havent voted ff ever ( well in 11years i've been here)
just like i would never vorte for the tories for what thatcher di i will now never vote FF
only problem did you see the alternative enda didnt really want to win the last one did he ? co s they all knew what was coming down the tracks when the public finances were built on revenue from house sales ( what happens when everyone has one think about it)

humberklog

I thought (and still do) that the alternatives were rather nasty, unimaginative alternatives. Pat Rabitte's a shockingly deplorable excuse of a human. Enda Kenny was evolving a (confused at best) party towards rural fears.
In the end and on consideration I voted:
1. Finian Magrath. I didn't(and don't)know much about his politics. However the decision was based on a collective deciding to vote their No.1's to an independent td. So a few others and I decided to give him No.1 on the blind as it were.
2. Sean Haughey. (FF!!). Excellent local TD.
3. R. Bruton (FG!!!!). A good guy unfortunately associated with a party of green wellied baffoons.

This was a fairly scattered vote. Oddly enough all 3 got in. 2 in government.

kenco

Used to vote for FF and Labour as I always thought they would be great in coalition (damn you Albert!)

Last election was the first time I did not give either my first pref. I was funny a few weeks before polling day our local FF'er (jnr min) called to the door and asked for my vote. I told him I had voted for him in the past but this time round no way (infrastucture, child care, etc). It was like the colour drained from his face and he muttered that this was what he was hearing all over. He struck me as a man very worried about his seat.

But hey presto a few days later and a decent opinion poll he was laughing again. FF two weeks before the last election were planking it but when it came to it 'we' voted them back in!!! Scratch under the surface of most people and you will find they voted for FF.

nesf

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

In answer to your question, builders, developers, and idiots.

Calling people idiots because they disagree with your political opinions is not allowed here.

delop

nesf wrote: »

Calling people idiots because they disagree with your political opinions is not allowed here.

I wouldnt call them Idiots myself, but in defence of the said poster, did I not see on boards earlier in the week that the word 'idiot' is an old word to describe someone with little understanding of political matters?

What I was wondering was, of course FF voters are not idiots, but they did vote for them last time, and Im just curious on what issues caused them to support FF and are they delivering....

humanji

Actually, that poster provided a link to the Wikipedia explanation of idiot, which proved himself wrong. I think the Wikipedia explanation was that it was someone who had no professional skill or was mentally deficient, and as such couldn't be trusted to vote. So in that case, it's a hell of an insult on a politics board.

I didn't get to vote the last time around, but I was kind of siding with FF. I simply didn't trust any of the other parties, and none of the independents really floated my boat. If I had of voted, it would of been a case of better the devil you know, which is a very sad state of affairs. I don't know, the sooner we move into a totalitarian state run by the Boards admins, the better.

FX Meister

delop wrote: »

I voted FG and Independant last time, in a effort to force a change....

It's all about making the best decision with the choices you have. If FG had gotten into power then we would be in a far worse situation than we are now. Enda Kenny does not have what it takes to lead our country and he never will. I used to vote FG until I copped on to what type of people they are.

delop

humanji wrote: »

I didn't get to vote the last time around, but I was kind of siding with FF. I simply didn't trust any of the other parties, and none of the independents really floated my boat. If I had of voted, it would of been a case of better the devil you know, which is a very sad state of affairs.

Well cant fault you for being honest, your thoughts probably reflect a lot of ppls feelings at the time. So I guess thats a failure in opposition for not providing one

humanji wrote: »

I don't know, the sooner we move into a totalitarian state run by the Boards admins, the better.

Sometimes I think it is :-)

andrewh5

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

In answer to your question, builders, developers, and idiots.

+1

I hope they are all feeling very silly after yesterday.

delop

FX Meister wrote: »

If FG had gotten into power then we would be in a far worse situation than we are now.

Possibly but I felt a change was needed, for change's sake. I guess I was in the minority, but thats ok too....


What keeps crossing my mind is,
there are only 4million + ppl living in this country,
2 million ppl paying Tax ( of which 1/8 of them seem to be Public Service)
how hard can it be to run the place in a half arsed fashion

but before I get attacked, I will admit I have no idea what it takes to run a country and keep a reasonable amount of ppl happy for a reasonable amount of time...

CerebralCortex

humberklog wrote: »

3. R. Bruton (FG!!!!). A good guy unfortunately associated with a party of green wellied baffoons.

+1
I've never heard anything but sense come out of his mouth but that could change considering he is in FG. I hope Enda realises the kind of asset R Bruton is.

I voted FG, Greens, Labor in order to get a change from Bertie and co's relentless bull****. Not sure hw I'll vote next time but I most certainly won't be voting FF ever.

jmayo

As I said just after the last election it was surprising who did vote FF.
You actually found quiet a few posters on board of this type, the young professionals and students.
These people were not directly involved in construction but maybe accountants, lawyers, engineers etc.
They had gone through school in the 90s and were leaving school during late 90s or early 2000s.
They went through college or straight into work whereas others had to emmigrate or go on the dole. They were able to avail of cheap loans for property and even if it was in Gorey, they could sell in a few years for a profit and move to Dublin or wherever. They did not have to save for anything, they could have car loans, credit cards, multiple foreign holidays thanks to cheap Ryan Air flights and hell some of them bought places abroad.
Thye did not have to watch their parents die on a trolley or die while waiting on an operation.

They had only ever really known the economic miracle of the great Cetic Tiger and had bought into the twin myths that bertie baffler was firstly responsible for the great celtic tiger and secondly that he was the best person to keep the gravey train rolling.
The others that wanted the gravey train to continue were the builders, their families, the developers, the estate agents, the construction related retailers, and lasty the ones that were now employed in the great huge public sector.

The ones who usually voted against bertie were the old who had seen the country lose the run of itself, the ones affected by crime, the ones who watched their relatives die because of misdiagnosis or getting MRSA in the great cock of a HSE system.
Then they were the few who dared speak about how the country was slowly moving towards an abyss becuase of inflated house prices and over resilience on construction, but of course they were labelled as whingers, moaners and politiely asked if they could go committ suicide, abit like the ones that had been allowed do so because the HSE system provides no out of hourse services or counselling to those who are on the edge.

Does that answer the OPs question ?

McArmalite

Well I didn't but I was considering voting for them this time but when I read Sand's postings on this forum I will be giving Gerry and Sinn Fein my vote for definite

delop

jmayo wrote: »

Does that answer the OPs question ?

I think its the most convincing post ive heard on this, thank you for your thoughts....

nhughes100

I voted for FG 1,2,3 and Labour 4. 2 of them got in.(Bannon & Penrose) I'm in the wonderful public sector too so no tarring us all with the same brush please. I voted for change and will most likely do so again. I'm not mad on Enda Kenny but he has some good people on the front bench and he can't be worse then Biffo.

nesf

delop wrote: »

I wouldnt call them Idiots myself, but in defence of the said poster, did I not see on boards earlier in the week that the word 'idiot' is an old word to describe someone with little understanding of political matters

If you for a second believe that he was using it in the archaic sense of the word then I've a lovely large metal pole in the middle of O'Connell street to sell you.

staker

I voted FF,but what I voted for and whose in power now are two very different things...

delop

nesf wrote: »

If you for a second believe that he was using it in the archaic sense of the word then I've a lovely large metal pole in the middle of O'Connell street to sell you.

I see wot your saying, I was just trying to stop the tread decending into the usual fight...

the pole, Im looking for an alternative to a christmass tree , would it have any lights on top? :-)

Agent Smith

I voted
1:FG
2:FG
3:Labour
4:FG
5:Greens

Of the 5, 3 got elected, (1 fg, 1 labour 1 green)

nesf

delop wrote: »

I see wot your saying, I was just trying to stop the tread decending into the usual fight...

So was I. I'm as a mod telling people that they aren't allowed call party supporters from a party they strongly dislike idiots, they can think it but they shouldn't post it here. For instance I bite my tongue when it comes to opinions on supporters of Cóir.

delop

nesf wrote: »

So was I. I'm as a mod telling people that they aren't allowed call party supporters from a party they strongly dislike idiots, they can think it but they shouldn't post it here. For instance I bite my tongue when it comes to opinions on supporters of Cóir.

Point taken, sorry, didnt realise you were a mod, Ill leave the modding to the mods in future :-)

JP Liz

I voted FF and i'm a fecking idiot :mad:

Badabing

I voted Fianna Fail 1 and 2 and Fine Gael 13.

McArmalite

JP Liz wrote: »

I voted FF and i'm a fecking idiot :mad:

Well, somone with a bit of honesty for a change

nesf

delop wrote: »

Point taken, sorry, didnt realise you were a mod, Ill leave the modding to the mods in future :-)

It's no problem, I was only appointed last week so it'll take time for people to realise that I'm a moderator here now.

IRLConor

I tried to vote based on the candidates themselves rather than their parties (with the exception of the SP and SF candidates who automatically got sent to the back of the line) and it ended up:

1. FG
2. FF
3. Green

for the top 3.

Macha

I voted:
1. Greens (Gormley)
2. Labour
3. Independent

Glad the Greens got in initially but they're being seriously diluted by FF and the housing/waste/water/agriculture legacy they have to deal with is nearly impossible.

I wouldn't vote for FF if I were paid a €1million. I think many people voted for Bertie, not FF. Eg, a guy in my workplace had a child, wasn't given any paternity leave.We had a discussion about FF not even planning to introduce it & he went ahead and voted FF because "ah shur Bertie, blah blah". Makes my blood boil.

Amazotheamazing

nesf wrote: »

Calling people idiots because they disagree with your political opinions is not allowed here.

Fair enough, feel free to snip it.

ninty9er

staker wrote: »

I voted FF,but what I voted for and whose in power now are two very different things...

I'm kind of with you there. I voted
1 - FF
2 - FF
3 - Lab
4 - FF
5 - PD

and left it at that, I didn't particularly feel strongly about the last 2, but tactical voting crossed my mind in the polling booth that sunny May morning.

Idealistically, I'm a believer in single party government, the more diluted a coalition the harder to make progress, so I should have stopped at 2

Liam Byrne

ninty9er wrote: »

Idealistically, I'm a believer in single party government, the more diluted a coalition the harder to make progress

Hmmmm......those damn PDs and Greens.....if only they weren't in Government then FF could have made progress, eh ??? :rolleyes:

Not that the PDs ended up as anything other than yes-men for FF, and the Greens u-turned on almost every key belief the moment they got a sniff of seats....

So while ninty9er may have a point in relation to idealistic or determined coalition partners, the lap-dogs that we've had (watchdogs my arse) have been like Andrex puppies......

To answer the OP's question, probably publicans & builders.....notice how the price of drink (a relative luxury) didn't go up in the budget, while the price of petrol (a necessity in this infrastructure-starved country of ours) did ?

Fuel for thought there, methinks.....

luckyfrank

I voted labour, tommy broughton is the TD in the area he does alot of work for the community my vote was for him and not really a vote for labour or a protest vote against FF

zero19

I'm not registered so don't blame me

Badabing

op, 41.6 % of the electorate. Poor people rich people and everyone in between.

jmayo

ninty9er wrote: »

I'm kind of with you there. I voted
1 - FF
2 - FF
3 - Lab
4 - FF
5 - PD

and left it at that, I didn't particularly feel strongly about the last 2, but tactical voting crossed my mind in the polling booth that sunny May morning.

Idealistically, I'm a believer in single party government, the more diluted a coalition the harder to make progress, so I should have stopped at 2

Yeah I can see how you would want to make progress like the great 1977 landslide majority government which drove the country into a hole in the 80s by removing rates, motor tax etc :rolleyes:

Some of us remember those days and will never allow FF to royally f*** us up again.
Ah sure what am I saying they have done it again only this time they started from greater position of strength :rolleyes:
And they did this time with those wonderful watchdogs (I like the Andrex image) who really are dyed in the wool ffers.

99er even though I totally abhort what your party stands for I will give you one thing, you do have the balls to continue to come out and state your colours.
There are a good few FF supporters that were on here last year braying how great an economy they had created and they are now nowhere to be seen.

irish_bob

FX Meister wrote: »

It's all about making the best decision with the choices you have. If FG had gotten into power then we would be in a far worse situation than we are now. Enda Kenny does not have what it takes to lead our country and he never will. I used to vote FG until I copped on to what type of people they are.

what type of people are FG

jmayo

irish_bob wrote: »

what type of people are FG

Well for a start they haven't had half as many of their elected members behind bars or being found guilty of something in a court of law or tribunal (perjury I believe was one, not bothering paying tax, offshore bank accounts, using state money for own property - i.e. theft, drink driving down wrong side of motorway).
I guess FX Meister doesn't like the non cute hoor type of politicans.
Moderators and posting rules fordbid me from being more descriptive

lostexpectation

only because fg havn't been in power for half the time ff have.

hive half a chance fg would be as corrupt as ff

Breezer

1. Labour (this was before I joined FG)
2. FG
3. Green (really regret that now and it will not happen again any time soon)
4. FG
5. Labour
6. FG

The top 3 were the ones who I saw making a difference (number 3 certainly did, but not the difference I intended), the rest were tactical voting.

As for those who voted for FF, I believe they were people who thought they stood to benefit from the party being in power (builders etc.), people who genuinely believed that FF were the party best capable of handling the economy, people who voted for the "Bertie factor," people who voted against the "Enda factor," people whose parents supported FF, and people who thought their local FF TD was doing a great job for the community. Just what I've picked up from talking to any FF voters I know.

lostexpectation wrote:

hive half a chance fg would be as corrupt as ff

I'd dispute that. Of course individual members might be corrupt, but the party wouldn't tolerate it. Lowry, for example, was kicked out and not allowed back, and now supports FF.

nacho libre

lostexpectation wrote: »

only because fg havcn't been in power for half the time ff have.

hive half a chance fg would be as corrupt as ff

True. Look at Labour in England. Tony's famous statement about probity in public office upon election in '97 sounded very hollow after a few years. If any party is in power long enough they tend to start abusing their power.

Denis Irwin

Voted FF in the last election and will do so in the next as we have a great local TD in Pat Carey who does a lot for the area. My vote was more so based on the TD and what he does for the area rather than anything else.

Redpunto

i voted for everybody else with the exception of sinn fein and PDs

irish_bob

jmayo wrote: »

Well for a start they haven't had half as many of their elected members behind bars or being found guilty of something in a court of law or tribunal (perjury I believe was one, not bothering paying tax, offshore bank accounts, using state money for own property - i.e. theft, drink driving down wrong side of motorway).
I guess FX Meister doesn't like the non cute hoor type of politicans.
Moderators and posting rules fordbid me from being more descriptive

my question was what kind of people they are , youve told me what kind of people they are not

irish_bob

Denis Irwin wrote: »

Voted FF in the last election and will do so in the next as we have a great local TD in Pat Carey who does a lot for the area. My vote was more so based on the TD and what he does for the area rather than anything else.

spoken like a true fianna fail,r

nesf

irish_bob wrote: »

spoken like a true fianna fail,r

Ah in fairness many people for the TD than for that TD's background whose preferred TD is FG/Labour/etc. I know that who the TDs were influenced my vote as much as their party did. A TD whose personal statements I don't agree with or find of trivial importance is not going to get my vote regardless of what party they're attached to.

jmayo

lostexpectation wrote: »

only because fg havn't been in power for half the time ff have.

hive half a chance fg would be as corrupt as ff

So they are guilty because they may do something ?
How do you know, have you got some sort of minority report thingie going :rolleyes:

Denis Irwin wrote: »

Voted FF in the last election and will do so in the next as we have a great local TD in Pat Carey who does a lot for the area. My vote was more so based on the TD and what he does for the area rather than anything else.

Ah yes never to see the bigger picture.
So Pat Carey did a few things and I will vote for him even though he turns a blind eye to the fact a few senior party members have very suspect financial dealings, including the man he votes to be the country's taoiseach.
I actually remember FF politicans who had principles but I guess most of them left or were driven out ala Desie O'Malley. Sadly his sucessors sold out ala Harney.

irish_bob wrote: »

my question was what kind of people they are , youve told me what kind of people they are not

I would say FG have at least principles and ethics. They tend to try and stand for something, I can remember back to the days when Garrett tried to bring in social change. All Charlie was doing was trying to sit on the fence or play up to the church and trying to make sure he got elected the next time.
Ever since those days I believe the rot has continued in that party.
The same ethos carried through and we have had tribunals to prove it.
The only thing bertie ever did was try and make sure he got elected the next time. He never really stood for anything. The governments run by him never did anything that will have a long long term benefit bar the Good Friday agreement. Even then there are still huge divides in the North that are not healing at all and there is still the hatred under the surface.

Personally honesty and principles would be something I would want in a politican rather than some lovable rogue that will sell me out in order to further the cause of himself and his buddies.

Some of them may be considered boring even in the case of their leader.
I guess the question is would you rather somebody boring and honest or someone that was a charming rogue but a cute hoor primarily looking after his friends while running the country and spending your taxes ?
First there was Charlie, temporaily followed by Albert who was replaced by Bertie, the most cunning of them all as labelled by Charlie.

FG has had some bad apples but see how the likes of Lowry was kicked out.
What did it take to finally remove Burke and Lawlor. Both men actually ended up in jail.
Speaking of jailbirds is Mr Fahy in Galway in or out of the FF party ?
Not sure if the likes of P Flynn, Denis Foley or Collins ever left.
Hell flynn jnr was brought back in :rolleyes:

turgon

IMO, voting on party is more important as they are national elections and national policy is important. Very often most TD's will be helpful to anyone who goes to a clinic.

irish_bob

jmayo wrote: »

So they are guilty because they may do something ?
How do you know, have you got some sort of minority report thingie going :rolleyes:



Ah yes never to see the bigger picture.
So Pat Carey did a few things and I will vote for him even though he turns a blind eye to the fact a few senior party members have very suspect financial dealings, including the man he votes to be the country's taoiseach.
I actually remember FF politicans who had principles but I guess most of them left or were driven out ala Desie O'Malley. Sadly his sucessors sold out ala Harney.



I would say FG have at least principles and ethics. They tend to try and stand for something, I can remember back to the days when Garrett tried to bring in social change. All Charlie was doing was trying to sit on the fence or play up to the church and trying to make sure he got elected the next time.
Ever since those days I believe the rot has continued in that party.
The same ethos carried through and we have had tribunals to prove it.
The only thing bertie ever did was try and make sure he got elected the next time. He never really stood for anything. The governments run by him never did anything that will have a long long term benefit bar the Good Friday agreement. Even then there are still huge divides in the North that are not healing at all and there is still the hatred under the surface.

Personally honesty and principles would be something I would want in a politican rather than some lovable rogue that will sell me out in order to further the cause of himself and his buddies.

Some of them may be considered boring even in the case of their leader.
I guess the question is would you rather somebody boring and honest or someone that was a charming rogue but a cute hoor primarily looking after his friends while running the country and spending your taxes ?
First there was Charlie, temporaily followed by Albert who was replaced by Bertie, the most cunning of them all as labelled by Charlie.

FG has had some bad apples but see how the likes of Lowry was kicked out.
What did it take to finally remove Burke and Lawlor. Both men actually ended up in jail.
Speaking of jailbirds is Mr Fahy in Galway in or out of the FF party ?
Not sure if the likes of P Flynn, Denis Foley or Collins ever left.
Hell flynn jnr was brought back in :rolleyes:

my problem with FG is thier is almost no talent in the party right now , this country is crying out for a new party , then again i suspect even we got one , FF and their populism would still triumph , us irish are a short sighted whats in it for me bunch for the most part , the medical cards hysteria this past few days has convinced me of this