Are you gonna march on wednesday 22nd October?

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yes/no

SU Email wrote:

A week from wednesday, there is a march organised for all Dublin colleges to protest against the proposed
reintroduction of third-level fees. In the past two months the government have mentioned fees, a loans system
and seriously incresing the registration fee-all of which are fees under different names. This is unacceptable
and will undermine peoples right to education as well as cutting off access to higher education to those that
can't afford the ridiculous proposed 'fees'.
We will meet in front square at 1.40pm on wednesday 22nd October, join with the other colleges outside front
gate and march to the Dáil. PLEASE come along and show your support. In 2002 we defeated fees and we CAN
do it again if we have the numbers. Above all else, it'll be great fun to have thousands of students out marching!

When/what/where/which/who?

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Fad

depends how the budget turns out, if fees are reintroduced i will march, if they arent i frankly couldnt give a fook

PurpleFistMixer

Fad wrote: »

depends how the budget turns out, if fees are reintroduced i will march, if they arent i frankly couldnt give a fook

It's probably not going to be decided in this budget, so if they're not brought in immediately it's possible they'll still be on the cards.

Fad

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

It's probably not going to be decided in this budget, so if they're not brought in immediately it's possible they'll still be on the cards.

Yeah, i probably should be more clear about my views on it, i clearly dont think fees are in anyway a valid solution to the financial crisis, and i am wholeheartedly against the reintroduction, also i misread the post, i thought the march would be the day after tomorrow not Wednesday week, anyway, depends really, if im free, the homework situation, i have more imeediate concerns as selfish as it may sound (and it is sort of a concern cos my sister still has to get in after me)

leninbenjamin

f*ck no.

probably because I agree with the reintroduction of fees anyway

Mark200

No


One thing I wouldn't understand if fees were introduced,they'll apparently base it on the amount of income the student's family/parents earn.

But how can they do they when the majority of incoming students will be 18 or over, the government can't expect all those parents to pay for their children's education.

Peslo

Is it true that all Class Reps must attend??

Mark200

Peslo wrote: »

Is it true that all Class Reps must attend??

Not sure

Peslo

Mark200 wrote: »

Not sure

Can somebody clarify this? ?sounds like a loada BA but I heard if the majority of the class wants to, then ya have to go as CR.

Stargal

Apparently the budget is going to increase the registration fee to at least €1500 per year, rather than directly bringing back fees.

If this happens then the march would have an added impetus for going ahead; it would mean that all students not receiving a grant will have to pay €6000 over the course of their undergrad education, which is very different from the spectre of fees reintroduction where it was only going to be students of families earning over €100k/€150k.

Ron DMC

Stargal wrote: »

Apparently the budget is going to increase the registration fee to at least €1500 per year, rather than directly bringing back fees.

If this happens then the march would have an added impetus for going ahead; it would mean that all students not receiving a grant will have to pay €6000 over the course of their undergrad education, which is very different from the spectre of fees reintroduction where it was only going to be students of families earning over €100k/€150k.

We'll see in twenty minutes.

Stargal

Ronny Mitchell wrote: »

We'll see in twenty minutes.

Yep, should be interesting.

Économiste Monétaire

Stargal wrote: »

Apparently the budget is going to increase the registration fee to at least €1500 per year, rather than directly bringing back fees.

It has been raised to €1500.

Stargal

The actual wording says:

"Third level funding allocations allow for increases in the student services charge in 2009/10 to up to €1,500 in individual institutions".

I'd imagine that all the third level institutions will take full advantage of that and increase it to €1500.

gaybitch

Aw that sucks. I won't be going down on Wednesday, I have a stupid lecture that I have to go to. Missed it last week so I sort of have to stick my head in.

Crash

At least simultaneously to the reg fee cap being moved up, there is a raise in capital spending in third level.

EGaffney

Good. At least universities will not see swinging cuts.

manicmonoliths

Peslo wrote: »

Can somebody clarify this? ?sounds like a loada BA but I heard if the majority of the class wants to, then ya have to go as CR.

Class reps don't have to attend strictly speaking. Surely if people in your class are opposed to fees they can march themselves?? You're not their mammy

PurpleFistMixer

It'd presumably be out of solidarity with the SU to march, etc., if you're a class rep., not necessarily to represent your class.

PurpleFistMixer

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

It'd presumably be out of solidarity with the SU to march, etc., if you're a class rep., not necessarily to represent your class.

While class reps will be heavily encouraged to go out and march, and to get their class to come out, in reality some class reps would be in favour of fees coming back in so there isn't an automatic solidarity there with reps.

Ron DMC

Unless they are mandated to, class reps don't have to do anything.

Even then... remember when Hugh managed to get all members of council mandated to give blood?

Peslo

Slightly O/T, but when you're a class rep, you're part of the SU right?

manicmonoliths

Peslo wrote: »

Slightly O/T, but when you're a class rep, you're part of the SU right?

All student's are members of the SU. But when you're a reps are typically more involved than most

starn

No. Bring fees back I say

Peslo

No I mean like the part of the council (I think). Like have to attend the meetings and stuff

Ron DMC

Peslo wrote: »

No I mean like the part of the council (I think). Like have to attend the meetings and stuff

Yep.

Peslo

Ronny Mitchell wrote: »

Yep.

OK Thanks.

manicmonoliths

Peslo wrote: »

OK Thanks.

I can sense the enthusiasm :rolleyes:
Seriously though, council can be quite fun... though maybe that's only true for hacks like me

ilovemybrick

starn wrote: »

No. Bring fees back I say

I agree. Bring them back. but with them bring in a gradiated grants system. Bring in scholarships and bring in tax breaks for those paying fees.

As for voting lots of people forget this simple point. The SU is your representative. If you agree with the re-introduction of fees get involved and then get the SU and USI to the table with college and the government as a properly representative body.

I agree with fees in principle. I however will march because i think the SU should at all stages fight tooth and nail to stop the current thinking of fees.

This is not hypocrisy. The media and the government can ignore SUs the country over and USI if 200 people show up. If 5000 show up and make a bloody loud noise then we can become a properly structured and properly representative body of students and citizens who demand to be heard.