commerce?? is it a good course

dermo91

i got an a2 in business in the leaving cert (i love theory) and am wondering is commerce mainly theory in nui galway and if not is the match tough....

please i need an answer a.s.a.p....:)

qwytre

dermo91 wrote: »

i got an a2 in business in the leaving cert (i love theory) and am wondering is commerce mainly theory in nui galway and if not is the match tough....

please i need an answer a.s.a.p....:)

Look at the course details on NUI Galway website.

Not all theory and really the business in the LC just touches on subjects where as commerce will be more in detail.

paddy316i

Far too many people doing it really. try for a course that services a niche

qwytre

paddy316i wrote: »

Far too many people doing it really. try for a course that services a niche

That is pretty irrelevant as people come out of that course with different skills. Some come out and specialise in Marketing, or accounting, economics, Information Systems, HR and so on.

It doesnt matter that there are 200+ on the course, you can specialise in whatever you want in year 2 and 3.

What would you consider to be a niche with good career prospects?

Mallox

qwytre wrote: »

That is pretty irrelevant as people come out of that course with different skills. Some come out and specialise in Marketing, or accounting, economics, Information Systems, HR and so on.

It doesnt matter that there are 200+ on the course, you can specialise in whatever you want in year 2 and 3.

What would you consider to be a niche with good career prospects?

is it really 200plus .. wow dats big .. i wanna do comm with french an dats only 15 .. also all the language ppl are filling niches .. has anyone chosen an area to specialise in yet .. i love economics in skool .. hope to do it in d future

qwytre

Mallox wrote: »

is it really 200plus .. wow dats big .. i wanna do comm with french an dats only 15 .. also all the language ppl are filling niches .. has anyone chosen an area to specialise in yet .. i love economics in skool .. hope to do it in d future

Well I suppose it might be a bit less but certainly there were 200 people in some of the lectures. I guess that lecture could have been attended by people from other courses in Arts etc.

Probably 150-ish in Commerce I would guess.

Mallox

Mallox wrote: »

is it really 200plus .. wow dats big .. i wanna do comm with french an dats only 15 .. also all the language ppl are filling niches .. has anyone chosen an area to specialise in yet .. i love economics in skool .. hope to do it in d future

Commerce has about 350 and commerce and languages has another 50 odd.

Most of us who did languages don't use them much.

qwytre

qwytre wrote: »

Well I suppose it might be a bit less but certainly there were 200 people in some of the lectures. I guess that lecture could have been attended by people from other courses in Arts etc.

Probably 150-ish in Commerce I would guess.

Shared courses with Arts like first year economics and maths can have numbers in the 700s or 800s split between lectures at different times.

Mallox

really you wouldn be bothered with most of the languages .. is it alot more intense than leaving cert french ?? i would hope to be very fluent after the 4 years .. is that a bit hopeful??? also wat do ppl think of the years abroad?? that im guessing is the highlight of the course

Yillan

In the current economic climate, commerce mightn't be the best choice, but then again it is a degree that can travel. A friend of mine who did the course has told me that the degree is the equivalent of the junior cert. You pretty much have to do a masters afterwards he says

Barlett

Well as a soon to be Graduate of Commerce & French in N.U.I.G. I can safely say that it's an excellent course to do. You will have some amount of craic. You won't have any trouble making friends since you start out with 16 in the class (usually far more girls than guys) & you'll get to know all their friends too which means you'll quickly establish a big social group.

You'll make friends for life in the class, especially thanks to the year in France & you won't forget your Erasmus year in a hurry. As for being Fluent, like everything else, you get out of the language what you put in. I am not using the language part at the moment & can't see myself using it either although it was never something I loved.

Commerce itself is a good course, I wouldn't worry too much about job prospects very difficult to predict a jobs market four years down the road but you'll be pretty safe with a degree in Business, its very versatile. Although as the above poster said, while you will get a job with the degree you'll need a masters or professional qualification to really get to the top in whatever field you take after.

Anyway Graduation next week, looking forward to it!

qwytre

Yillan wrote: »

In the current economic climate, commerce mightn't be the best choice, but then again it is a degree that can travel. A friend of mine who did the course has told me that the degree is the equivalent of the junior cert. You pretty much have to do a masters afterwards he says

Thats too short sighted, think 3 years down the road when you are graduated. Commerce is a wide ranging degree and you can specialise in what you want.

In the current economic climate what do you suggest?

Barlett

Barlett wrote: »

As for being Fluent, like everything else, you get out of the language what you put in.

This is true - if you put effort into the slog of learning grammar and make an effort to read the newspaper every now and then and try to integrate a bit when you are abroad it will pay off.

You never know when it will come in handy. A previous job I was in (French not a requirement) sent me to Paris for 9 months as maternity leave cover.
It came in very handy then and helped me a lot.

Commerce is very broad at the start and specalises in year 2 and further in final year. If you don't know exactly what you want to do after from day 1 it is probably a good choice.

If however you know you want to be an accountant you could focus from day one by doing something like law and accounting in UL.

dermo91

thanks very much to everyone...am defo going to nui galway now:)

dermo91

thanks very much...unbelievably useful and am now completely sure im going to nui galway too do commerce...

nerd3000

Deleted User wrote: »

Shared courses with Arts like first year economics and maths can have numbers in the 700s or 800s split between lectures at different times.

okay, two things: There may be only 15 places in Comm with French but you will be mixed in with Commerce in ALL other lectures. i.e Accounting,Bus and Law, Mgmnt and Economics. 15 place means there will be 15 in your French lectures, labs and tutorials.

First year Arts Economics is not mixed with B.Comm/B.Corp. The lecturer covers different parts and focuses more on certain things in B.Comm/B.Corp and vice vearsa with Arts.

dermo91 wrote: »

thanks very much...unbelievably useful and am now completely sure im going to nui galway too do commerce...

Have you thought about Corporate Law with French???

Wendero

hi everyone

what's the difference between Bcom and Bcom international? Do you have to know another language (than english/irish) to get that year abroad? Sorry about taking up a pretty old thread.

Is the three-year bcom an honours course? I'd like to take an MSc afterwards, see. Would I be eligible for the MSc in "International finance"?

If I got it right, you only choose one major. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Well, I just discovered the program and it's late, so maybe it's stupid questions. Anyway, would be glad if someone could answer:)

/John

Wendero

Wendero wrote: »

what's the difference between Bcom and Bcom international? Do you have to know another language (than english/irish) to get that year abroad? Sorry about taking up a pretty old thread.

I had a big post ready but lost it when I had to download a spell checker.

Basically:

B Comm - 3 year honours degree course - no language / year abroad option
B Comm Int - 4 year honours degree - language is main subject - year 3 is spent abroad.

There is an option to go to America for a part of the B Comm i think but it is tough to get.

If there is space at the start of first year you might be allowed to transfer between classes.

There is a leaving cert language requirement as well by the way.
http://www.nuigalway.ie/courses/courses.php?cCode=gy202

Wendero

Oh, a big post got lost? I know the feeling:( Sorry mate, thank you anyway for the information.

Well, I got English, Swedish and French. Enough?

What course would you say is better: Commerce with major in economics at NUIG, or Business with major in Economics and finance (or possibly Risk management and insurance)?

I guess the answer will be a bit biased, but I still would like to know what you think.

/John G

No idea to be honest. I like the idea of an american style marking system in UL. It seems a bit more professional.

There is a Financial Maths and Economics course in Galway.

I imagine a Swedish high school French qualification is superior to the Leaving judging by the Swedes I knew in France.

The UL campus is nice but far from the centre of town which I guess is a good thing in Limerick.

it's a grand course.. jus graduated from it. way to easy compared to engineering and science etc. but employers dont seem to know that so yea, do it.

Wendero

Yep, Co-op is nice and you might get some contacts... unless you end up at some terrible place or something unrelated to your degree (I know it should be related, but you never know...).

On the other side, NUIG seems more serious (as a university), perhaps a better study climate there than in Limerick. No-one have ever defended the quality of the education at Limerick (in their forum, I asked about the quality and didn't get any real answers). But maybe Business is an exception? Or... maybe it's not an exception, and that could be a problem.

I'd save some money if I went to NUIG since it's only three years instead of four. That's great... well, I gotta think about this:)

Thank you for the help, if you got any more comments, please tell me:)
/John

Wendero

grand course? Grand in what way, many students/lectures/subjects?

You mean you graduated from Commerce at NUIG, right? What major?

Do you got a job? Do you do well (sooner or later, the employer will find out, right)?

/John

Wendero

Wendero wrote: »

grand course? Grand in what way, many students/lectures/subjects?

You mean you graduated from Commerce at NUIG, right? What major?

Do you got a job? Do you do well (sooner or later, the employer will find out, right)?

/John

i just graduated from NUIG.. economics as my "major" nd got a 2.1. nice job in galway, 25k starting, standard pay rise after 6 months nd then salary review yearly.
promotion expected after a year and a half to two years.. happy out :P pm for job details :rolleyes:


when i say grand course, i mean

it's in galway, best city in ireland for college. friends who went to belfast and dublin both wanted to change to here after visiting.

it's an interesting course.. but not way too difficult that it'd ruin your interest in it.

big lectures, a handy thing cause small classes cant miss many lectures.. ina big class, a lecture doesn't know your name unless you want them to.

really really wide range of subjects.. and by the end, there's more specialization than you'd think. and you only choose what to specialize in after they give you a go at all subjects. really good if you're not completely sure what to do..

only 15-20 hours of lectures a week through the 3 years.. speaks for itself. and it's not like law where you have to sit in library all the time..

i think it's also the lack of negatives associated with dublin that makes commerce in a city like galway so good.. basically the cost of living, transport and safety. and can't really think of any bad points. what i said about it being "too easy", that's strictly in comparison to the harder courses like engineering etc.

so basically yea, i'd recommend the course to anyone..

Wendero

Nice:)

Hey, what school do the teacher support? I mean, what school of economics? I really hope it's Neo-classical or Austrian or something similar, or that in case it's a keynesian, that the teacher keeps her own ideas for himself/herself and teaches from a neutral point of view (if possible).

How much math would you need to know? What math do you begin with the first year, what should you solve?

I'm glad to hear that you seem to be well off. If I got this right, you can choose two majors and be finished in four years? I don't think I will, just asking. Got that from someone...

/John

Wendero

Where do you think your most likely to work after a B.comm major economics? I'm hoping to get into finance or banking, or possibly research (but then of course I would need a PhD). What about insurance?:) What "minors" do you think one should choose (I read something about choosing two courses other than your major and commerce...)?

I have to say everything seems great so far:)

/John

leninbenjamin

Wendero wrote: »

Hey, what school do the teacher support? I mean, what school of economics? I really hope it's Neo-classical or Austrian or something similar, or that in case it's a keynesian, that the teacher keeps her own ideas for himself/herself and teaches from a neutral point of view (if possible).

One of the great things about economics in NUIG is that you'll be exposed to a huge amount of different schools compared to other places. Neo-Classical of course is the bog standard, and the central focus of the course. You'll touch on a fair bit of the Keynesian school though. You can also go near things like Marxism, post-Keynesian, Institutionalism, and SSIA theory, although i think there's very little opportunity to study the Austrian school if my memory serves.

Most lecturers do try to keep it neutral, but it's a very difficult thing to do when it comes to economics.

Keep in mind I did go through arts, there are some slight differences although broadly speaking we end up doing most of the same courses. A commerce student who specialises in economics just has more optional modules they can take, most of which are taken in conjunction with arts students.

There's a great little module available called Comparative Economic Thought in second year, basically a quick run through the alternative schools, and how they differ and contradict from your mainstream NC. I had Brian O Boyle for it, hands down the best module i did in my degree. It'll really get you questioning your faith in the NeoClassical and Austrian school for one thing.

Wendero wrote: »

How much math would you need to know? What math do you begin with the first year, what should you solve?

for commerce, being able to solve a 2nd order difference equation is probably the most complex thing you'll come across (for economics at least). basic algebra going in to be honest, nothing more needed. I found it one of the problems of economics at NUIG, there wasn't enough Maths taught!

(unless of course you do something like a B.A with Maths and Economics, which is always a possibility. I dare say the maths component in that would probably be more valuable to a budding economist than some of the other crap you'll do in commerce).

(p.s. what the f*ck is wrong with Keynesian? it's miles better than Austrian!)

Wendero

Thank you for the information Leninbenjamin, it's very useful.

What's wrong with keynesian economics? Well, I guess that's a separate discussion, but I think history proves keynesians wrong and austrians right, especially with all this credit crunch (that austrians predicted in 2002) and housing bubble.

/John

leninbenjamin

Wendero wrote: »

Thank you for the information Leninbenjamin, it's very useful.

What's wrong with keynesian economics? Well, I guess that's a separate discussion, but I think history proves keynesians wrong and austrians right, especially with all this credit crunch (that austrians predicted in 2002) and housing bubble.

/John

heh, economics is never that simple. often these economic 'predictions' are hardly that... little more than idle speculation for the most part, that look great in hindsight if they are somewhere near the ball park, but very difficult to act upon.

you should pop by the economics forum where we can have a real go at this.

chrussell

Anyone know the registration costs for the b.comm each year??

ethernet

chrussell wrote: »

Anyone know the registration costs for the b.comm each year??

Unless you have to pay full fees, it should be around €1,200 or around €200 for grant holders. Of course, will be somewhat higher with the fees hike due next year.

partyguinness

If you are going to do a BComm you really must do a Masters afterwards. I did my Leaving in 1996 and did Law but a good few friends did commerce.

It was generally agreed amongest them that the BComm was too general to be any good on its own and that a MComm was essential in order to distinguish ones self from the pack, so to speak.

What you do after the BComm will become apparent only when you do it. But its as good a general degree as any.