Are most people bisexual?

Blisterman

I'm currently reading an interesting book about Alfred Kinsey, a scientist who did the first large scale research into people's sexual thoughts and habits, back in the 30's and 40's.

Anyway, one of the major conclusions he had from his findings was that most people's sexuality can't be exclusively pigeonholed into straight or gay, and that most people were a mix of both.
He even devised a scale for it. See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinsey_Scale for explanation.

Do you believe this, that most people are secretly harbouring a slight homosexual leaning, even if they consider themselves straight?

I'd be inclined to agree. You only have to look at supposedly straight porn, which most of the time features well hung men, and a big emphasis on the cum shot. Surely no self proclaimed straight man would want to see that?

Conversely, are girls, who kiss other girls, in clubs, for example, who most times say it's just a bit of a laugh, really telling the truth? Is there a subconscious part of them, which gets off on it? Would guys do the same, if it were as acceptable for them, as it is for girls?

What are your thoughts?

Prof.Badass

Yore Ma is bisexual!

Actually i agree with you, i think everyone is that tiny bit bisexual even though they'd never admit it.

However there's a huge difference between finding someone slightly attractive and actually wanting to engage in sexual activity with them.

admiralofthefleet

im male and im a raving lesbian

brianthebard

Hasn't most of Kinsey's work been displaced?

AlmightyCushion

Every hole's a goal.

Blisterman

vinylmesh wrote: »

Yore Ma is bisexual!

Actually i agree with you, i think everyone is that tiny bit bisexual even though they'd never admit it.

However there's a huge difference between finding someone slightly attractive and actually wanting to engage in sexual activity with them.

Can't believe I didn't think to pre-emt that one.

Prof.Badass

admiralofthefleet wrote: »

im male and im a raving lesbian

Are you the tomboy type, or the spite-filled, man-hating type?

DarkJager

Bisexuals are scary.....theoretically, they'll ride yore ma first then flip yore father over for seconds....

KnifeWRENCH

This is one of my favourite quotes from one of my favourite singers, Björk.
It pretty much sums up my views on this subject:

"I think everyone's bisexual to some degree or another; it's just a question of whether or not you choose to recognize it and embrace it. Personally, I think choosing between men and women is like choosing between cake and ice cream. You'd be daft not to try both when there are so many different flavours."

The_Minister

brianthebard wrote: »

Hasn't most of Kinsey's work been displaced?

I would have said disproved.

And his credability has taken a severe knocking over the last decade.

m@cc@

Blisterman wrote: »

a big emphasis on the cum shot

I thought that was more about the degregation of the women rather than enjoying looking at cum (wtf?).

Ash_M

while kinsey's work has been knocked, in my opinion his basic idea (as synopsised by OP) is pretty good.
while i consider myself straight, ive kissed other girls, and i can find them attractive. that said, i dont think i could ever have a relationship with a girl, or even anything more than a kiss.
this was a topic of huge interest among my group of friends a couple years ago, and while the guys generally denied it (unsurprisingly), most of the girls were in the same boat as me.

juuge

I'm confused......why do lesbians invariably want to dress and look like men, is it because they don't want men to get pleasure from looking at them as they would with females that look like Jennifer Aniston? Ah feck it .I'm going to the pub!

pablomakaveli

Well id rather be bisexual than homosexual coz i could still love the wimmins.

i think its easier for women to be bisexual as if you were to look at it from a neutral point of view, women are the sexier of the two genders. i think straight women and gay men got the worst deal in regards to them liking men.

thank god im a straight male and a big thank you to all you beautiful women out there who make it worth while.;)

Ziggurat

pablomakaveli wrote: »

i think its easier for women to be bisexual as if you were to look at it from a neutral point of view, women are the sexier of the two genders.

My bullshit detector just broke.

luketitz

I'd doubt it, no.

taidghbaby

im trisexual.......blah blah.........fill in the blanks yourself

useful_contacts

Blisterman wrote: »

Conversely, are girls, who kiss other girls, in clubs, for example, who most times say it's just a bit of a laugh, really telling the truth? Is there a subconscious part of them, which gets off on it? Would guys do the same, if it were as acceptable for them, as it is for girls?

What are your thoughts?

no offence but as a bisexual woman i find that a bit offensive, a lot of girls do experiment (a few female friends have experimented with me) and thats all it is, none of them have "come out" since i have known them, im the only bi in my group of friends(except a friend who expressed her love for me then stopped talking to me)

Just sayn not all girls are like that

kraggy

useful_contacts wrote: »

no offence but as a bisexual woman i find that a bit offensive, a lot of girls do experiment (a few female friends have experimented with me) and thats all it is, none of them have "come out" since i have known them, im the only bi in my group of friends(except a friend who expressed her love for me then stopped talking to me)

Just sayn not all girls are like that

I think Blisterman means in a club, as a display, surrounded by college fraternity-type jocks knocking back Heino.

As opposed to genuine curiosity in a corner, one on one, no performance for the lads like.

weeder

Im bisexual in that if i cant get it i buy it, which seems to be most of the time

humbert

Personally I think what we are sexually attracted to is a lot more arbitrary than we care to imagine.

Therefore I'd say most people are capable of being attracted to the same sex if their curiosity wandered in that direction but I think it's daft to asssume therefore that most people do harbour homosexual desires.

Anyway, wimmin are softer and smoother and generally less hairy and therefore sexier.

SoWatchaWant

Blisterman wrote: »

Are most people bisexual?

No. Most people are sraight. Trust me. The only reason you're not turned off by another lad in a porn flick is because you're imagining yourself in his position. End of story!

Tar.Aldarion

More people are bi than you would think I believe. For instance men and women being able to tell what others of their sex are attractive, how could you tell unless you were attracted to some more than others? My 'straight' housemate told my friend he was one of the small minority that should be a male model. They are both just dudes to me.
Just because you don't want to go bang somebody of the same sex doesn't mean you are not mildly bisexual and so on.

Wibbs

Tara Le d'Arion wrote: »

More people are bi than you would think I believe. For instance men and women being able to tell what others of their sex are attractive, how could you tell unless you were attracted to some more than others? My 'straight' housemate told my friend he was one of the small minority that should be a male model. They are both just dudes to me.
Just because you don't want to go bang somebody of the same sex doesn't mean you are not mildly bisexual and so on.

Eh being able to tell whether a member of the same sex attractive and calling that anything even vaguely like bisexuality is one hell of a stretch. Knowing if someone else is attractive or not is hardly rocket science anyway. Observation and fashions in society will tell you that. Just because I can say x is sexually attractive does not mean I would be sexually attracted to them.

Personally I think this idea that we're all a little bi is a lot of bahaollox TBH. It seems to have gained currency, this idea of a rainbow of sexualities. The fact is most are pretty vanilla. There's gay there's straight and there's bi. Actual bisexuality is the least common of that lot in my experience. I would say there are more bicurious women than men though.

Caoimhín

SoWatchaWant wrote: »

No. Most people are sraight. Trust me. The only reason you're not turned off by another lad in a porn flick is because you're imagining yourself in his position. End of story!

See now, i dont like porn, unless its two girls going at it. I dont like porn that has mickeys flying everywhere.

If i were a woman, i would only like other girls, would that make me a lesbian?

So many questions..

Caoimhín

useful_contacts wrote: »

(a few female friends have experimented with me)

Pics?

Agamemnon

caoibhin wrote: »

See now, i dont like porn, unless its two girls going at it. I dont like porn that has mickeys flying everywhere.

Same here, I really don't want to look at man-milk when I'm cranking one out.

We're all bisexual when we have sex then say "bye".

SmileyPaul

I think your right but not full blown bi
last night my gay friend made a bet with me "if in 7 years you turn out gay you owe me 500 euro" I know Im not gay so its the easiest money I've ever made

Caoimhín

SmileyPaul wrote: »

I think your right but not full blown bi
last night my gay friend made a bet with me "if in 7 years you turn out gay you owe me 500 euro" I know Im not gay so its the easiest money I've ever made

I think your "friend" wants bum sex with you.

kraggy

caoibhin wrote: »

I think your "friend" wants bum sex with you.

..but I'd say he's a tad expensive at 500 euro.

daveyjoe

Me ex was probably a one and a half on the Kinsey scale but I don't think that I'd call her bi.
[Just my opinion] Women tend to have a more fluid sexuality than men, whereas with men it tends to more often than not go one way or another. [/Just my opinion]

Of course there are plenty of exceptions, I'm generalising.

Tar.Aldarion

Wibbs wrote: »

Eh being able to tell whether a member of the same sex attractive and calling that anything even vaguely like bisexuality is one hell of a stretch. Knowing if someone else is attractive or not is hardly rocket science anyway. Observation and fashions in society will tell you that. Just because I can say x is sexually attractive does not mean I would be sexually attracted to them.

It is easy to tell in the extremes because society has told us what is hot and what is not. For the other 90% of men, no, I have no idea. For our friends example above two of us knew he is good looking because girls have said it, the only reason. The other guy knew on meeting him he was very goodlooking but he looks like joa soap to the other two of us. We did tests on this in college with friends. Girls showing us pictures of dudes or just random guys in the streets to say which were more attractive. Some guys knew every time and a lot of us had absolutely no idea apart from in very obviously cases. I can't see why some would know and some would.

Actual bisexuality is the least common of that lot in my experience. I would say there are more bicurious women than men though.

What would make you say that?

seahorse

Wibbs wrote: »

Personally I think this idea that we're all a little bi is a lot of bahaollox TBH. It seems to have gained currency, this idea of a rainbow of sexualities. The fact is most are pretty vanilla. There's gay there's straight and there's bi. Actual bisexuality is the least common of that lot in my experience. I would say there are more bicurious women than men though.

Have to say this has been my experience also. I have heard the theory that we are all bisexual to some degree put forward several times, along with the notion that most men have, at some point, questioned their sexuality. The telling thing was in each instance it was put forward by homosexual males who I know, so tbh it came off as a bit of a gay fantasy to me.

In fairness it cant be easy being a gay male as there is so much smaller a pool of potential mates out there, still, indulging the fantasy that the vast majority of men are not heterosexual at all but simply hiding in the closet is pretty pointless and not liable to change anything.

Reesy

Yeah, I'm a guy & girls are the only thing in the World for me, but occasionally I can see some guys as sexually attractive, in an abstract kind of way.

rainbow kirby

daveyjoe wrote: »

[Just my opinion] Women tend to have a more fluid sexuality than men, whereas with men it tends to more often than not go one way or another. [/Just my opinion]

Have noticed this too, and women seem to frequently be more open to exploring than men do.

ottostreet

rubbish. im a guy. i only get hard for the ladies. guys are for talking about cars and women with. end of.

ottostreet

Fecking Greeks tbh :pac:

ottostreet wrote: »

rubbish. im a guy. i only get hard for the ladies. guys are for talking about cars and women with. end of.

denial!

Ziggurat

Deleted User wrote: »

denial!

This thread reeks of it.

Carsinian Thau

pablomakaveli wrote: »

if you were to look at it from a neutral point of view, women are the sexier of the two genders.

Surely if you looked at it from a neutral point of view, neither gender could be attractive due to the fact that you would have no link to either one and would therefore have to consider the fact that humans (not people, I'm utilising a subtle yet distinct difference here) are basically really disgusting?

andrewlownie101

Has the OP been watching too many of these "new age", "city slicker" type dramas the RTE have been spouting out lately???

It seems the characters are of every persuasion but hetro.

Do you lot realise that these dramas are a form of social conditioning??? Aimed at altering the opinions of those viewing.

As for KINSEY, he was nothing more than a fool, a degraded clown. He was promoted to alter the opinions of the people. People had never heard of the various sexual persuasions before his trash talking book.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2061305218446628970

Have a look at this video, it explains how KINSEY protected padeophiles and other deviants, all in the name of research. Absolute scum.

I though all this "new" Ireland stuff was all behind us now, after all I seen a 25 year old bird ordering tea the other day, some change from a chi mocha, "half a spoon of sugar, please".

Black Swan

pablomakaveli wrote: »

women are the sexier of the two genders.

Not from my viewpoint.;)

brianthebard

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Not from my viewpoint.;)

Maybe you should try looking in a mirror...

Wibbs

Tara Le d'Arion wrote: »

It is easy to tell in the extremes because society has told us what is hot and what is not. For the other 90% of men, no, I have no idea. For our friends example above two of us knew he is good looking because girls have said it, the only reason. The other guy knew on meeting him he was very goodlooking but he looks like joa soap to the other two of us. We did tests on this in college with friends. Girls showing us pictures of dudes or just random guys in the streets to say which were more attractive. Some guys knew every time and a lot of us had absolutely no idea apart from in very obviously cases. I can't see why some would know and some would.

Maybe simply people differ in their abilities to spot it. It could be evidence of some bisexuality but I seriously doubt it.

I agree with seahorse. I think there is an element of interested parties pushing the idea a little. I can understand why too, but again in my experience people, men and women, are pretty average sexually. At the outer edges that changes of course and fair play, but it wouldn't be the "norm" for want of a better word.

I've known a fair few people in my life and at this stage I can, off the top of my head, count 5 gay men and 4 gay women that I've known closely. Throw in maybe another 20 or so that I knew through the first group and that's kinda it. Now many gay men and women keep it quiet and I'm quite sure there were people I met that I didn't spot, but when I compare the number I have met and the numbers of hetro types I've known and met, the difference is huge.

So yes there are straight, gay and bi, but the numbers of the latter are smaller than both the liberal types would have you believe and indeed lower than the right wing types would have you believe.

That or maybe my gaydar is shíte.:D

What would make you say that?

It has just been my experience. I know far more women who would class themselves as straight that had encounters to one degree or other with another woman usually in their teens. Not some weird fantasy on my part as two women getting it on does absolutely nothing for me.

Zillah

pablomakaveli wrote: »

from a neutral point of view, women are the sexier of the two genders.

I wish I was a stupid person so I could come out with awesome sentences like that at parties.

JupiterKid

Kinsey's research was somewhat flawed but his ideas are still valid today. I agree that people's sexual orientation is part of a scale, a continuum, and there are few who are 100% straight or gay.

That said, women are much more open-minded about exploring their sexuality, probably because in Western culture lesbianism is still more accpeted that being a gay man. This is undoubtedly linked to straight men, their general insecurity about their sexuality, their rank homophobia and their endless fantasies about lesbian sex.

And many Irish men have a LOT of growing up to do - their bigoted and homophobic attitutes are pathetic, as is evidenced by some of the posts on this thread here.:rolleyes:

seahorse

JupiterKid wrote: »

..This is undoubtedly linked to straight men, their general insecurity about their sexuality, their rank homophobia and their endless fantasies about lesbian sex.

And many Irish men have a LOT of growing up to do - their bigoted and homophobic attitutes are pathetic, as is evidenced by some of the posts on this thread here.:rolleyes:

As a grown woman in her thirties, I've met a lot of straight men, but I've yet to meet one suffering from an "insecurity" regarding his sexuality. Most men, in my experience, are pretty clear on that point.

You stop just short of saying you believe the vast majority of men feign sexual attraction exclusively to women only under the duress of societal norms. I've heard those opinions before. Would yours be the opinions of a gay male, by any chance?

CursedSkeptic

square_igloo wrote: »

This is one of my favourite quotes from one of my favourite singers, Björk.
It pretty much sums up my views on this subject:

"I think everyone's bisexual to some degree or another; it's just a question of whether or not you choose to recognize it and embrace it. Personally, I think choosing between men and women is like choosing between cake and ice cream. You'd be daft not to try both when there are so many different flavours."

That quote is irritating in the extreme

JupiterKid

seahorse wrote: »

As a grown woman in her thirties, I've met a lot of straight men, but I've yet to meet one suffering from an "insecurity" regarding his sexuality. Most men, in my experience, are pretty clear on that point.

You stop just short of saying you believe the vast majority of men feign sexual attraction exclusively to women only under the duress of societal norms. I've heard those opinions before. Would yours be the opinions of a gay male, by any chance?

I am indeed a gay man - grown and in my 30s also BTW - but I do not whatsoever suggest that most straight guys are closet gays at all. I just posit that many are insecure about their sexuality and much of this is due to the heterocentrist and macho culture and the need for men to "prove" their masculinity.

Personally, I have no fantasies about "converting" straight guys just as plenty of straight guys do not go for lesbian sex fantasies.

You suggest that I'm generalising about straight men whlist you are generalising about gay men yourself.

humbert

JupiterKid wrote: »

the heterocentrist and macho culture and the need for men to "prove" their masculinity.

I'd just like to say that this exists, but it is only really endemic among the stupider groups in society. I genuinely have rarely encountered it since primary school and I don't like the suggestion that it's ubiquitous in Irish society. It's not, it's ubiquitous among idiots.

JupiterKid

seahorse wrote: »

As a grown woman in her thirties, I've met a lot of straight men, but I've yet to meet one suffering from an "insecurity" regarding his sexuality. Most men, in my experience, are pretty clear on that point.

You stop just short of saying you believe the vast majority of men feign sexual attraction exclusively to women only under the duress of societal norms. I've heard those opinions before. Would yours be the opinions of a gay male, by any chance?

I am indeed a gay man - grown and in my 30s also BTW - but I do not whatsoever suggest that most straight guys are closet gays at all. I just posit that many are insecure about their sexuality and much of this is due to the heterocentrist and macho culture and the need for men to "prove" their masculinity.

Personally, I have no fantasies about "converting" straight guys just as plenty of straight guys do not go for lesbian sex fantasies.

You suggest that I'm generalising about straight men whlist you are generalising about gay men yourself.

Dave147

While I can appreciate other men's good looks I certainly am not bisexual or harbour any feelings for men.

I love to see the cumshot in porn by the way, but that's because I'm a disgusting misogynist who likes to degrade women.