PES2009 demo

Fol20

Ok so what does everyone think of it...iv only bin on it a few minutes and i think its crap...I hate the main menu page as its too crowded and all over the place..I think the gameplay is going more towards fifa gameplay and its ruining the game.Fifas gameplay always felt too slow and donkey like and i think pro evo has now gone that way as well.You will notice this when players pass the ball to a player and the player he passed to will have a slow and odd touch..Does anyone else agree with me or am i on my own in this regard...Ill comment on it more later when i have a better chance to play it but im interested to see what other people think and if they prefer this to fifa or vice versa.I doubt im gonna get either as i still cant stand fifas gameplay and now pro evos gameplay is putting me off as well.

brian plank

if your only playing it a few minutes then dont make up your mind so quick. last years was stupidly fast so the fact that you say its too slow is a good thing.

redbhoy1888

its a new PES and the first few plays are never as good as what you are used to BUT I have played about 5 games so far and its a thumbs up here.just feel;s right again

Mitch Connor

I have read people talking about the PS3 version and the 360 version of the demo. The numbe rof people disappointed with it seems to be higher for the 360 version - maybe there is a difference in the quality of the two demo's. Dunno. I'll be downloading the PS3 version anyway, could never get used to the 360 pad with PES games, felt wrong!

Might download the 360 version over the weekend or tomorrow night and give it a bash, once I have played the PS3 version, and see for myself if there is a difference between the two.

EDIT: Also, there is a PES forum on boards.ie

Lamposts

It's pure dirt. It's basically just last years game with a minor few touches.

Zonda999

Lamposts wrote: »

It's pure dirt. It's basically just last years game with a minor few touches.

I've played the fifa 09 demo and, to be honest, i think the exact same thing could be said about that:rolleyes: Exept, fifa 08 wasnt dirt, of course

Lamposts

Zonda999 wrote: »

I've played the fifa 09 demo and, to be honest, i think the exact same thing could be said about that:rolleyes: Exept, fifa 08 wasnt dirt, of course

Hardly mate, fifa has made over 250 improvements to the game. FIFA 09 will also include a '10 vs. 10' Be a Pro online game and let's not forget the Adidas live season. You can tell you're playing a different game from last years with fifa :rolleyes:

evad_lhorg

yea but in fairness the shooting is crap in fifa. I have been playing it since tuesday and the ball is like kicking a baloon.

Moiph

Been playing this demo for a while now, dont think much of it. The player movement is horrible

Fol20

I hate the player movement as well...i think players first touch is really bad as well and as i said,turning more and more into fifa which is the total opposite of where it should be going..

Julez

redbhoy1888 wrote: »

its a new PES and the first few plays are never as good as what you are used to BUT I have played about 5 games so far and its a thumbs up here.just feel's right again

+1

ironictoaster

Downloading this on my 360 screwed up XBL for me. It happened to others as seen here http://forums.xbox.com/23049571/ShowPost.aspx

Anyways, its an ok game.

T-b0n3

I don't have xbox live is there any other way to get it for the xbox? I have a 'special' xbox if that helps!

Thanks

Whats up with the noise made when you pass the ball. Sounds like a gun goin off! Im not a pro fifa or pro pes guy I just buy what game I think is best each year and after playin the 2 demos Ill defianetly be picking Fifa this year.

nicklauski

Ah balls didn't realise the demo was up. Not liking the comments though, had high hopes for this, but it seems to be going backwards! I'll just wait till i play it myself and make up my mind!

Moiph

Yeah I didnt like the sound of the ball being kicked either

CyberWaste

Dont like it one bit, but I had that problem downloading the demo too.
Itll be FIFA again this year for me. Looks and plays so good.

Fol20

Ok iv finally been able to have a good go of it now and i must admit, im beginning to like it. I must admit the graphics are fairly good however i think free taking look a bit dark and worse but not a big deal tbh.The music is a bit odd and in my opinion doesnt suit this game..they used to go for some techno beaty type music which i thought went well with this type of game but now they have gone for some type of funky rock or something which doesnt suit soccer games at all. I agree with another op that the ball makes a weird noise,i think there is too much base in it and i hope they change or at least patch it when it is released.Id say i will get it though as it has improved a lot since the last one and gameplay is different to say the least, but for the better

Royale with Cheese

I had PES 2008, sold it and got Fifa because it was doing my head in. Rubbish online mode and inability to sign anybody in Master League no matter how much money I had or trophies I'd won.

Played the demo there. I might get it. I miss the PES gameplay. I didn't think it was awful but I can see why people think Fifa is better.

Dr. Loon

Royale with Cheese wrote: »

I had PES 2008, and inability to sign anybody in Master League no matter how much money I had or trophies I'd won.

You mustn't have tried very hard. In my current 08 ML team I have Rooney, Torres, Teves, Messi, C. Ronaldo, Ronaldo, Aguero, Febregas, Cannevaro, Lehmann amongst others. What did you give it? A week? I'm not boasting here, but it seems like you didn't try. Also, sometimes throwing vast amounts of money at them doesn't work. In saying that, I've never, ever been able to sign Kaka.

Liked the demo. Sort of. My initial review on the PES forum.

bennyc

I am going to wait till we see what the online is like in PES I went for fifa last year but now think the Demo of Fifa was too fast and a bit like PES of last year.(i know someone said you can slow it down but thats no good online) I liked the PES 09 Demo more than fifa. But I am not pushed towards the extras fifa has to offer as I will more than likley only play online anyway.
SO for me is a waiting game untill I know the live issues are sorted.

chavezychavez

After reading the initial reviews here yesterday afternoon, I wasn't overly pushed to get home and download the demo (and I've been buying PES forever.)
When finally downloaded, felt totally disappointed and let down with the first game played.
I saw the main issues (amongst other) I saw with it were:
1. No more 180 quick degree turns when your player gets the ball.
2. Game was a lot slower than 08.
3. The shot register has changed again i.e. how much power is needed to keep the ball under the bar.

Then I played it a few more times......and do you know what, the above aren't issues.
1. The quick 180 turnaround was a pure pain when playing 1v1 in 08. You were almost always left for dead with your defenders too far away to make a tackle before a shot was taken when this occurred. 09 has refined this so that it takes skill to get around a player now rather than a quick movement of the thumbstick.

2. The slow down has taken a lot of the arcady feel off the game where you are pinging balls between the players at ease. I found myself actually having time to look at the players all around and choosing where the best option would be.

3. This is just a pet annoyance of mine, but I say the same every time a new iteration of the game comes out. They changed the settings of the power guage again. The same power as 08 for a shot seems to balloon the ball over the bar.

Some of the improvments were:
-- The goalies still parry the ball a lot instead of catching it, but more often than not, its not going to be parried 3 yards directly in front of them. They actually make an effort to push the ball out of the way of the attacker.
-- You can lace the ball from a good distance and there's a chance of it actually going towards the goal in 09. In one chance last night, after the ball was cleared low from a corner, I had the midfielder run onto it from all of 30 yards and he unleashed the fury towards the top corner, all for the keeper to dive full stretch and punch the ball out for a corner.

Some of the disimprovments were:
-- The menu. Good God, that should come with an epilepsy warning all of its own.
-- The music. Good God, that should come with an hearing warning all of its own.
-- In game. They better have an option to turn off the manual passing on the right thumbstick. I found myself tipping by habit, and losing control a good few times. If they expect you to play previous iterations of the game as well as this one, that will have to be rectified.

I'm still not convinced about buying the full game, we'll only know if its really any good that when its released and the extra features are played in depth and (hopefully) the online is perfected (thats going to be the showstopper).
I haven't been a fan of Fifa since World Cup 98 (Fifa 99 was where they started to go downhill ), but after playing both demos, there looks to be very little between the games this year.

CJackson

The music is a bit odd and in my opinion doesnt suit this game..they used to go for some techno beaty type music which i thought went well with this type of game but now they have gone for some type of funky rock or something which doesnt suit soccer games at all.

-- The music. Good God, that should come with an hearing warning all of its own.

Doesnt the new edit mode include the ability to upload your own tracks, chants,etc ???

For those who missed it before, all PES updates are available thru the rss feed on winningelevenblog :cool:

Fol20

i think you can do skills still..you just have to click rb or lb or one of those buttons 'i think'..i did a few nice skills last night while flicking around with the control...Btw out of interest anyone that plays pes on the xbox 360,do you change the controls so that rt is run and lb is change player..if so is their anyway to save it because every time we start up the console we have to go into button config and change it.Id say the the teams in the demo are all the official teams and i doubt any other team have official names etc..can anyone clarify?

emurphy

Just downloaded pes 09 and I have to say I'm very dissapointed it feels like I'm playing a bad pinball game!! What the **** are they playin at. Game over. I never thought I'd say it but Fifa is by far and away better than this muck.

CJackson

emurphy wrote: »

Just downloaded pes 09 and I have to say I'm very dissapointed it feels like I'm playing a bad pinball game!! What the **** are they playin at. Game over. I never thought I'd say it but Fifa is by far and away better than this muck.

its a demo

Vic Vinegar

CJackson wrote: »

its a demo

What's your point man?

You can still form an opinion whether you like it or not from a demo, or else why bother releasing one in the first place.......

00sully

its a demo of probably the final version - this is the worst pes i've ever played. a shame really, i dont like buying EA games out of principal but FIFA this year is a fair bit ahead in all departments.

CJackson

Bombleswizzum wrote: »

What's your point man?

You can still form an opinion whether you like it or not from a demo, or else why bother releasing one in the first place.......

But is just a sample/teaser/taster of the finished product. all these folk getting there kn!ckers in a twist over whats essentially advertising.

Im not pro-PES and anti-FIFA or anything, i just cant get my head around all this "Game over", "what the f**k have they done", "Seabass is a ****" malarkey.

Would ya judge a movie from the trailer, a full fryup from the little sausie samples in SuperQuinn, your next car from a brochure or :rolleyes: potential wife from her Facebook pics :eek:

Vic Vinegar

CJackson wrote: »

But is just a sample/teaser/taster of the finished product. all these folk getting there kn!ckers in a twist over whats essentially advertising.

Im not pro-PES and anti-FIFA or anything, i just cant get my head around all this "Game over", "what the f**k have they done", "Seabass is a ****" malarkey.

Would ya judge a movie from the trailer, a full fryup from the little sausie samples in SuperQuinn, your next car from a brochure or :rolleyes: potential wife from her Facebook pics :eek:

Ok, fair point, but the demo gives you a chance to play an actual game of football, which, lets face it, is 95% of what the game is all about. If that doesn't impress people then why would the full game be any different? Movie trailers are different in that they can paint a picture that is sometimes wholly inaccurate.

I played the FIFA demo, i thought it was great.

I played the PES demo, i was hugely disappointed by what i saw. As a result, i bought FIFA and i shan't be buying PES.

Fol20

I dont understand why people hate pes so much and claim that fifa has changed a load over the years...Fifas gameplay has remained the same since fifa 2003 and hasnt changed much over the years..yea there might be a few tweaks here and there and graphically better but beside that it hasnt changed much...I know the next person to comment is gonna say 'it has 250 improvements' but that complete bull!!..i played this years demo and last year demo and theres no difference..If it didnt have a different name, no one would know any better so stop saying its much better..Pro evo however does change over the years for better or worse...I quite like this years game and i dont understand why people are bitching over how the game has gone to ***** over the year when it hasnt changed that much,only a tiny bit like...The one thing i dont like is that they change the shooting mechanics in every year but besides that gameplay is more realistic and better in comparison to fifa.

m83

It has 250 improvements!

CJackson

Some feedback on the actual gameplay..............:( uh oh

So happy to confirm we have the game in our hands.



I’ve been playing it quite a bit already, and while I can say the gameplay is similar to the demo, the graphics have that extra polish the demo missed.

Squads, like we said in the podcast, are exactly the same as the demo. Unfortunate for online players, but that should be sorted with these online updates.

For today, expect some videos in the evening of various modes. Also watch out for our kit editor Carl Brook’s post’s, he’s gonna be showing you just what he can do with the edit mode. Expect big things!

SOURCE: http://www.winningelevenblog.com/news/we-have-pes-2009/

bennyc

My opinion is that unless you own and have played bith titles and not pissing about with demos then opinions are worthless. I owned both last year and would have looked for a refund on PES if I could. I prefer Fifa 08 and so far this year fifa is a big step up from last year and not a bit like 03 where ever you are getting that from. I am not going to make a decision on whether its better than PES until I play the final release properly. For me if online is anythign like last year then the game is a failure full stop.

Climate Expert

A demo of a football game is basically the game. If you don't like the gameplay mechanics in the demo then how are you going to like them in the full game?

I loved the Euro2008 gameplay and when I got the full thing it was the same.

Vic Vinegar

Climate Expert wrote: »

A demo of a football game is basically the game. If you don't like the gameplay mechanics in the demo then how are you going to like them in the full game?

Exactly the point i was trying to make!

You were more concise though....:)

st3mc92

i played the pro demo and honestly i think they are so far behind on ideas as fifa are. this year in pro the equivalent to "be a pro" is out. i agree that the gameplay is better in pro but i wasn't impressed with the demo:(

GrumPy

Meh, had more fun playing this demo then I had all week playing fifa 2009, but fifa is a far more realistic game.

Other than the fact pro evo is more arcadie, hence fun to play, is that my mate is not as good at it as I.

redbhoy1888

I got Fifa on friday and played it quite a bit and yes its a very good game indeed but there is just SOMETHING missing,maybe its too technical a representation of football.Went back to PES demo today and after initially loving and then hating it now I think its actually not half bad indeed.FIFA seems to be a dour struggle to score goals while in PES you can score good goals without it being totally dumbed down.

Y2J_MUFC

GrumPy wrote: »

Other than the fact pro evo is more arcadie, hence fun to play

Never thought I'd see the day that someone said Pro Evo is more arcadie than Fifa... Pro Evo fans (and I include myself in that!) would have always said Pro Evo is more realistic than Fifa and therefore a better game! The roles do seem to be reserved now, but I bet hardcore Pro Evo fans will remain just that, and similarly with Fifa fans.

Sometimes people seem to judge the name of the game more than the actual gameplay itself. I was a Pro Evo fan (and poured thousands of hours into it) all the up until PES2008. For the first time, in 2008, Fifa over took Pro Evo, IMO and it looks like it might continue this year...

Anyways, hightened competition can only be a good thing for us, so no matter which game you prefer, the vast improvement of Fifa can only be good for the sake of both games! By that I mean, the era of churning out the same game year after year with updated squads is gone. If you don't improve, you're going to come off second best.... the way it should be!! :cool:

redbhoy1888

I think last year PES was guilty of taking the fans for granted,perhaps underestimating the challenge from FIFA and to be honest anyone who played Pro Evo over the years never imagined a time when FIFA was a viable alternative.Still and all anti-FIFA bias aside its a good game with some amazing front end presentation but at times I def felt not totally in control of what was happening.

Y2J_MUFC

CJackson wrote: »

SOURCE: http://www.winningelevenblog.com/news/we-have-pes-2009/

The squads are not updated from the demo? They are horribly, horribly out of date, United have 4-5 players they have left and don't have Berbatov or Manucho for example.

This is the first time since ISS that I'm not considering NOT buying Pro Evo. The very least that they can do is update the squads. This is pure lazyiness and short changing fans if you ask me. If EA could manage a minor squad update between their demo and the release date, why can't Konami? I mean, for offline play, its ok, but expecting people to play online with outdated squads in a brand new game is absolute ridiculous. It's not like we're asking for a lot, its not like they even have to update lower league squads (which EA did).

CJackson

Y2J_MUFC wrote: »

The squads are not updated from the demo? They are horribly, horribly out of date, United have 4-5 players they have left and don't have Berbatov or Manucho for example.

This is the first time since ISS that I'm not considering NOT buying Pro Evo. The very least that they can do is update the squads. This is pure lazyiness and short changing fans if you ask me. If EA could manage a minor squad update between their demo and the release date, why can't Konami? I mean, for offline play, its ok, but expecting people to play online with outdated squads in a brand new game is absolute ridiculous. It's not like we're asking for a lot, its not like they even have to update lower league squads (which EA did).

Dont quote me on this but Ive heard the squads will update once you connect to LIVE /PSN. Seabass mentioned something about having squad updates once the transfer windows close

Y2J_MUFC

CJackson wrote: »

Dont quote me on this but Ive heard the squads will update once you connect to LIVE /PSN. Seabass mentioned something about having squad updates once the transfer windows close

That wouldn't be too bad so, I don't care if they are on the disc, or if you can download them on the marketplace once they are available.

I don't see a point in shelling out 60 quid for a game with outdated squads when I already have Fifa, with fully up to date squads and which is an outsanding game.

Still hope you are right though...

T-b0n3

Any one got a spare Xbox Live Gold trial or anything? Don't use Xbox Live, just need it long enough to download the demo! Dying to play it!

Thanks

Mr Moon

T-b0n3 wrote: »

Any one got a spare Xbox Live Gold trial or anything? Don't use Xbox Live, just need it long enough to download the demo! Dying to play it!

Thanks

Don't bother, the demo is tripe! Well I think it is, and if they game is like that I think I'll be switching back to EA!!

I think I heard the updates are only for PS3 users! (don't quote me on that)

CJackson

Looks like they're gonna have the first update ready after the Jan transfer window. Wonder what the charge will be :mad:

“It has come to the attention of Konami that the fans of PES are passionate enough about the PES series to require console updates on the latest features, details, and improvements of PES 2009. Because of this, Konami are due to release PES 2009 downloadable content that will be available in Febuary 2009 that will enhance the game to Konami’s potential. Any downloadable content will be chargable on all formats, and will offer gamers a more dynamic experience of the PES 2009 game.”

Read on http://www.proevonews.co.uk/

Y2J_MUFC

So that basically means, "If you want updated squads, not only will you have to wait 4 and a half months, but you will also have to pay for it too"

Thanks, but no thanks. What an absolute joke. First Konami football game I won't be buying since ISS.

redbhoy1888

I think Feb 2009 updates means the Jan transfer window,Konami cant seriously think folk will accept outdated squads straight out of the box although on the other hand they thought we would accept PES 2008....

m83

Y2J_MUFC wrote: »

So that basically means, "If you want updated squads, not only will you have to wait 4 and a half months, but you will also have to pay for it too"

Thanks, but no thanks. What an absolute joke. First Konami football game I won't be buying since ISS.

Exactly and... me too.

emurphy

m83 wrote: »

Exactly and... me too.

me three! .. Bought fifa this year. So ****1n good.