SEAT EXEO

Kafer

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9081001.010/seat-exeo-unveiled-in-paris

So what do ye think?

maidhc

Kafer wrote: »

So what do ye think?

Very nice in the way the last a4 was.

Strikes me though as Tk Maxx of the automotive world.

R.O.R

Kafer wrote: »

http://www.worldcarfans.com/9081001.010/seat-exeo-unveiled-in-paris

So what do ye think?

Nice Headlamps, or were you asking about the car

alexmcred

Looks like the old A4. Don't like it at all maybe in a different color. Def would not buy it.

How tall is your one car looks small beside her

bazz26

Definately looks like Seat borrowed the key to it's sister company Audi's patented shop..

Interior is a vast improvement on current Seats though.

Owen

There's a car in that photo! Took me ages to see it though

superjosh9

Check out her knockers!

alexmcred

superjosh9 wrote: »

Check out her knockers!

Think that says it all about this car

superjosh9

re the car - thought they could have done a better job of making it look newer/fresher. I still think what they've done is a good idea - I'd sooner buy one of these than a Leon/Altea/Toledo - They aren't very neutral-looking cars and I was shocked that Seat would allow themselves to make them all so similar.

I like the seats in it. I don't like the back which looks like the rear of the previous Leon. LED lights might have made it fresher though? Over-hangs are pushing it a bit too - especially at the front with the new grille.

Question is, for a start, can it compete with the new Insignia?

pburns

superjosh9 wrote: »

re the car - thought they could have done a better job of making it look newer/fresher. I still think what they've done is a good idea - I'd sooner buy one of these than a Leon/Altea/Toledo - They aren't very neutral-looking cars and I was shocked that Seat would allow themselves to make them all so similar.

I like the seats in it. I don't like the back which looks like the rear of the previous Leon. LED lights might have made it fresher though? Over-hangs are pushing it a bit too - especially at the front with the new grille.

Question is, for a start, can it compete with the new Insignia?

How can it compete with an Insignia/Mondeo etc. when it's based on a 7 year old design (conceived over 10 years ago) that was never class-leading in the first place?

Having said that, if they had at least re-bodied the A4 it might be just about acceptable but as it is it can only be negative for the image of both Audi and SEAT. Woefully cynical - a 3rd world concept. How can VAG spend gazzilions on image-builders like the Veyron and R8 and then throw up this garbage for their mainstream brands?

No doubt there will be a few tight-arse, own-brand, cute hoors who buy into the whole 'Audi-for-SEAT money' thing but they are making the assumption that the Audi was a cut above in the first place.

Stevie Dakota

If I owned an A4 I would be marching on Ingolstadt right now. Imagine BMW selling the old E46 3 series rights to Kia, its a joke and it will only undermine Audis credibility.

superjosh9

pburns wrote: »

How can it compete with an Insignia/Mondeo etc. when it's based on a 7 year old design (conceived over 10 years ago) that was never class-leading in the first place?

Having said that, if they had at least re-bodied the A4 it might be just about acceptable but as it is it can only be negative for the image of both Audi and SEAT. Woefully cynical - a 3rd world concept. How can VAG spend gazzilions on image-builders like the Veyron and R8 and then throw up this garbage for their mainstream brands?

No doubt there will be a few tight-arse, own-brand, cute hoors who buy into the whole 'Audi-for-SEAT money' thing but they are making the assumption that the Audi was a cut above in the first place.

I'd say it was more of a case of SEAT was in trouble and they needed a quick-fix - why would they have done this instead of building a new car on the new Passat/Superb platform? I'd say SEAT ruled itself out of that when it was being created, for whatever reason - or maybe they had yet another car ready to be signed off that was designed in a similar vain to the Leon/Altea/Toledo - and seeing that they weren't seeling - abandoned it at the last moment.

I'd say this whole EXEO thing was done at warp-speed, tooling readily available, connotations with Audi brand can only be a good thing - especially for someone moving up from a polo or a corolla or something like that.

But why do you consider this to be worse than other standard badge engineering tricks by VW? Is it just the lazy disguise this time?

It's only over the last 10-15 years that car life-cycles has been dramatically reduced. e.g, the life of the Golf Mk 5! It's going crazy. Sure the A4 was never the best - but it was far from the worst - and if it was good enough in 02 - why not now? It's a safe car and let's not forget that it's engine are the same as other *current* Audis and VWs etc that you can buy now.

superjosh9

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

If I owned an A4 I would be marching on Ingolstadt right now. Imagine BMW selling the old E46 3 series rights to Kia, its a joke and it will only undermine Audis credibility.

Merc sold the rights to the W124 years ago as the Ssangyong Chairman. That hasn't hurt anyone, has it?




I honestly don't get what the big deal is. Anyone that didn't realise the previous A6 WAS a Passat, and that current ones aren't that much different, must be wearing blinkers. How is this any different from a TT being a Golf!??! Actually come to think of it - I hope SEAT take the TT and do a number on that too.

I absolutely hate badge engineering. It kills me that Volvos are Fords. But they are - the same way that Audis are VWs and Seats are Skodas and Bentleys are Phaetons. The Phaeton 'Sport' you might call them.

Mr.David

superjosh9 wrote: »

Merc sold the rights to the W124 years ago as the Ssangyong Chairman. That hasn't hurt anyone, has it?

Bit of a stupid comparison, its not like anyone bought one of those, not in Europe anyway.

It's an A4 with a Mondeo front only thing Seat is the badge

Not too fussed with the interior, have to agree, the headlights are nice

superjosh9

Mr.David wrote: »

Bit of a stupid comparison, its not like anyone bought one of those, not in Europe anyway.

I love this...

back to those car magazines eh?

Mr.David

superjosh9 wrote: »

I love this...

back to those car magazines eh?

You've lost me there?!

Why "back to the car magazines"?

You dont need magazines to see that no-one bought one......the fact that I've never seen and all....:rolleyes:

Stevie Dakota

superjosh9 wrote: »

I honestly don't get what the big deal is. Anyone that didn't realise the previous A6 WAS a Passat, and that current ones aren't that much different, must be wearing blinkers. How is this any different from a TT being a Golf!??! Actually come to think of it - I hope SEAT take the TT and do a number on that too.

VW and Audi have always been joined at the hip, and most people know that. There is not a huge gulf between the cachet of each brand, however, now VAG is saying with the Exeo that Audi and Seat are to be regarded as similar, I think that is a badge too far to retain Audis credibility.

And yes, we are talking about the perception of the brand, rather than the quality of the cars. Just look at the response it is getting here, it is a bad move, no doubt initiated by accountants, and I think it will be regretted.

superjosh9

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

... no doubt initiated by accountants, and I think it will be regretted.

don't forget the marketing men!

RichyX

hellboy99 wrote: »

It's an A4 with a Mondeo front only thing Seat is the badge

Front reminds me of a Rover 75.

Cookie_Monster

Nice, I want one

When are they out?

Stevie Dakota

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

Nice, I want one

When are they out?

Just to clarify, are we talking about the car?

Cookie_Monster

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

Just to clarify, are we talking about the car?

I'd take either:pac:

Mr.David

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

I'd take either:pac:

Ya but if you had to choose which would it be......................

................the left one or the right one?:D

Cookie_Monster

Mr.David wrote: »

Ya but if you had to choose which would it be......................

................the left one or the right one?:D

the right one in the left one:D

peasant

Can we please stop talking about the laydeee now?

Biro

EXEO? Shouldn't it be called the EXA4?

Zonda999

Biro wrote: »

EXEO? Shouldn't it be called the EXA4?

ROTFL:D:D

Brilliant!

bazz26

peasant wrote: »

Can we please stop talking about the laydeee now?

Might aswell close off the thread so..:pac:

E92

The Exeo has the 1.6 102 bhp engine which dates back to pre historic times as the entry petrol lump. So much for it getting the latest engines in the VAG stable then. This engine might even be older than the 1.9 TDI, it's been around so long I can't remember when it first came out.

The 3 4 cylinder diesels are the same as in the latest A4 at least.

I like the looks of both objects in the picture btw, elegant and understated:pac:!

xbox36016

look its (new seat a4) a4

geoff29

the really really weird part is that, I have a photo of a girl I know - and she is wearing EXACTLY the same outfit as the girl in this photo. The only thing is that my photo dates back to 2004! Some things *never* change!

Wait a sec...

xbox36016

lol

Climate Expert

Nice, an A4 for less money and without the badge. I'd get one.

xbox36016

still its no audi a4

Climate Expert

xbox36016 wrote: »

still its no audi a4

Yep, its a Seat Exeo.

Stevie Dakota

I think the Audi boss should given the boot for allowing this, then he would be the EX CEO.

geoff29

Stevie Dakota wrote: »

I think the Audi boss should given the boot for allowing this, then he would be the EX CEO.

ooooooooooooooooooooooooooohhhhhh!!!

Zonda999

I quite like this!!I know the basic engines are fairly rubbish.There are a lot more pictures of the car(And the doll:pac:) here

Look at the pictures of the interior.Not only is it, the A4 but the A4 cabrio, which afaik, is still in production.They dont seem to have skimped on any of the audi quality.I'd love to know what a decent specced one, like the one in the pics, with a decent engine will cost over here.

"Diesel engines of latest generation (from 88 kW / 120 HP to 125 kW / 170 HP)"

That, indeed says diesels from 120bhp.The only vag diesel engine with 120bhp is the 2.0 CR TDi from the NEW audi A4.This would mean that the exeo is the first VAG car other than the a4, to get that engine in that output.I honestly cant believe that!!

I cant see how seat are allowed to do any of this really!

HashSlinging

damn no v6 Tdi !!

still I like it a lot, wonder have they tweaked the suspension at all, looks seriously nice inside.im sold wonder how much for the 120bhp CR Tdi. If its anywhere near 30k im happy

geoff29

Zonda999 wrote: »

Look at the pictures of the interior.Not only is it, the A4 but the A4 cabrio, which afaik, is still in production.They dont seem to have skimped on any of the audi quality.I'd love to know what a decent specced one, like the one in the pics, with a decent engine will cost over here...

noticed that too and yep I'd like to know what it will cost. Surely it will HAVE to be cheap?!! If it's under €25k I think I know a few people that would buy one straight away.

It would have to be €25k-ish to start though, right? Surely they'll price it in a similar manner to the Superb?

Stephen

Must be easy work in the Seat design house. Copy, paste, done. Right, off to the pub!

agent_smith

Lots of badge snobbery here... dont worry audi lovers, the credit crunch will devalue your car faster than this seat!

Joking aside, I think its a fantastic move. mechanically under the skin, it will be built on a proven known chassis with a production process that has been tested and refined over the years. It should make for happy long trouble free motoring.
The skin on the other hand, is quite different from the a4, I like it. I think its elegant and refined as another poster pointed out.
The interior is a big step up and about damn time too... the existing seat range look very cheap in comparison.
I agree about the 1.6 but realistically who is going to opt for a 1.6 ina body so large over here. I would be surprised if the 1.6 was even offered over here...

I think this is a great idea, whoever thought of it at seat should be congratulated. The 'older' a4 is/was a good car. Seat should do well with this car. I for one would be very interested.

bazz26

Well they cannot do any worse, the current Toledo is hardly a sales success, I wonder who the geniuse was that taught a saloon MPV would sell?

As for the designers of the EXEO, I reckon its the same lazy designers who gave us the MkVI Golf exterior. VAG must have shares in Photoshop or something.

Biro

Joking aside, I don't mind it. Most people on boards (and in Ireland) harp on at people about how good the Superb is, where I always found that it's an uglier B5.5 Passat, which was ugly to begin with. This looks much better than a Superb, won't be as practical though. They need to price it to match the Superb though, or they'll just loose. Seat still consider themselves to be a direct alternative to VW rather than the Skoda method of a cheaper alternative. The Leon is practically the same price as the Golf (although MUCH nicer), but this needs to be cheap.

barryfitz

Remind me of the current Hyundai Sonata.



From that angle anyway.

Kafer

2.0 TFSI quattro with Recaros for about 35K sitting in band E would do it for me.

superjosh9

According to Autocar, the UK price kicks off at £17k for a base diesel - which is I think the same price as a Superb with the same engine. So, as a rough guide reckon it'll be priced similarly to the Superb over here perhaps. Only 2 diesels on offer in UK.

Also, they're doing an estate - which sounds quite useful. Finally, high level of standard equipment.

http://www.autocar.co.uk/News/NewsArticle/AllCars/235259/#

Cookie_Monster

superjosh9 wrote: »

Only 2 diesels on offer in UK.

As in no petrols, thats odd, no? (and crap)

superjosh9 wrote: »

Finally, high level of standard equipment.

On the Irish "pov" spec too i wonder?

Cookie_Monster

Cough *Bump* Cough

Was talking to a Seat dealer about this. Very little info so far, 1.6 and 2.0 L diesels confirmed and is due by mid Feb. Thats all I got though...

pandamoanium

Exeo looks nice, I'd definitely consider one.

They due to be released here next Feb is it, yeah??