Dressing up as Mohammad for Halloween

bubonicus

Hi,

I was thinking of having a religous fancy dress theme for Halloween. And I wanted to dress up as Mohammad.

I can't find a costume shop that sell Mohammad costumes, but I was thinking of just getting a Jesus costume and adding a Turban.

People have said to me "are you trying to get killed" and that it's offensive. But I just wanted an Islamist view on this.

Would you be offended by a fancy dress costume? If so why, and maybe some Christians could tell me why a Jesus costume is fine to wear?

wes

Muslims believe God (Allah is God in Arabic) can't be percieved by humans. Also, our concept of God is very different from the Christian one, in that Humans are not made in God's image.

As for being offended, I would find it more silly than anything else. Also, Muslims don't see Jesus as God, but as a prophet, so adding a Turban, wouldn't make any realy difference to your costume.

bubonicus

I think I meant Mohammad.

Rev Hellfire

I would have imagined that most devote Muslims would find it irreverent.
But I suspect you already know that.
I'm curious as to what good do you think would be accomplished from such an action ?

Malari

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

I would have imagined that most devote Muslims would find it irreverent.
But I suspect you already know that.
I'm curious as to what good do you think would be accomplished from such an action ?

Why does any good have to come from it? It's a fancy dress party!

wes wrote: »

Muslims believe God (Allah is God in Arabic) can't be percieved by humans. Also, our concept of God is very different from the Christian one, in that Humans are not made in God's image.

As for being offended, I would find it more silly than anything else. Also, Muslims don't see Jesus as God, but as a prophet, so adding a Turban, wouldn't make any realy difference to your costume.

Likewise, it is probably meant to be a bit silly and fun. I think what the OP is asking is if dressing up as Mohammed is technically considered an offence, such as reproducing a drawing of him. I would say this is only going to be a problem if you anticipate several muslims actually being at this party?

bubonicus

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

I'm curious as to what good do you think would be accomplished from such an action ?

And no i don't expect any muslims to be at the party, but we are heading out for a few drinks first.

Rev Hellfire

Malari wrote: »

Why does any good have to come from it? It's a fancy dress party!

Perhaps I phrased it wrong, the intend behind the desire to dress up as this particular character, the aim is to be confrontational in my view.

But if Muslims don't find it offensive I guess why should I.

Malari

bubonicus wrote: »

And no i don't expect any muslims to be at the party, but we are heading out for a few drinks first.

Ha, get some smoky bacon crisps for added effect

Malari

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

Perhaps I phrased it wrong, the intend behind the desire to dress up as this particular character, the aim is to be confrontational in my view.

But if Muslims don't find it offensive I guess why should I.

Or topical...?

bubonicus

Rev Hellfire wrote: »

Perhaps I phrased it wrong, the intend behind the desire to dress up as this particular character, the aim is to be confrontational in my view.

But if Muslims don't find it offensive I guess why should I.

Very intersting. Not my intent at all.

Other people are coming as :-

Jesus,
Buddha,
Joseph Smith,
Richard Dawkins,
Shiva

to name a few. Are any of them confrontational?

hivizman

Observant Muslims would not approve of any visual representation of Muhammad (or indeed any other prophet, including Jesus). But unless you go around telling people that you are dressing up as Muhammad, people will just think you're dressed as a generic Arab.

If you want to be relatively authentic, then there are various sites on the web that discuss "Islamic clothing", for example this one. Some Muslim men consider it desirable to dress as closely as possible to the way that Muhammad dressed.

For the turban, make sure that you steer clear of a Sikh or Hindu turban.

Here's a short film on the Muslim turban.

And don't forget the beard!

bubonicus

hivizman wrote: »

Observant Muslims would not approve of any visual representation of Muhammad (or indeed any other prophet, including Jesus). But unless you go around telling people that you are dressing up as Muhammad, people will just think you're dressed as a generic Arab.

If you want to be relatively authentic, then there are various sites on the web that discuss "Islamic clothing", for example this one. Some Muslim men consider it desirable to dress as closely as possible to the way that Muhammad dressed.

For the turban, make sure that you steer clear of a Sikh or Hindu turban.

Here's a short film on the Muslim turban.

And don't forget the beard!

Thanks, I have the beard already.:D

studiorat

Bit cold for a thawb. And a Richard Dawkins costume is just gonna be crap!
Here's an idea.
Find a couple of manequin arms lying around in a skip, a tin of blue paint and you could go as Vishnu!

Farasoi

Being a Muslim myself, I would be offended if someone, regardless a Muslim or not, visually presenting him/herself as our beloved prophet or visually or audially (apologies if this isn't a correct word ) as God. There was once in my origin country where a film production wants to make a film about the life of Muhammad pbuh, and the film crews consulted the national religious body on how to do it according to Islamic guideline and as a result, in the film Muhammad and the four khalifas after him were not potrayed directly, ie the crews focused scenes from our prophet's shoulder view and from his point of view and words from our God were presented as Quran verses.
There are several reasons for these but in my opinion, Muhammad pbuh is the central figure of Islam, the most religious Muslim and the most ideal human ever created by God and that the potrayal of him by someone would be a disrespect to him and Islam. Furthermore, Halloween is not a part of Muslim practice and there would be parties and drinkings so I would be insulted if a person dresses as him and drinks. As for God, there is no, and shouldn't be any description about His physical appearance, only He knows it, so I don't see the relevance of people trying to dress as Him.

I would not suggest you to dress as Muhammad or our God. But you can dress as a general Arabic guy though.

bubonicus

Farasoi wrote: »

Being a Muslim myself, I would be offended if someone, regardless a Muslim or not, visually presenting him/herself as our beloved prophet or visually or audially (apologies if this isn't a correct word ) as God. There was once in my origin country where a film production wants to make a film about the life of Muhammad pbuh, and the film crews consulted the national religious body on how to do it according to Islamic guideline and as a result, in the film Muhammad and the four khalifas after him were not potrayed directly, ie the crews focused scenes from our prophet's shoulder view and from his point of view and words from our God were presented as Quran verses.
There are several reasons for these but in my opinion, Muhammad pbuh is the central figure of Islam, the most religious Muslim and the most ideal human ever created by God and that the potrayal of him by someone would be a disrespect to him and Islam. Furthermore, Halloween is not a part of Muslim practice and there would be parties and drinkings so I would be insulted if a person dresses as him and drinks. As for God, there is no, and shouldn't be any description about His physical appearance, only He knows it, so I don't see the relevance of people trying to dress as Him.

I would not suggest you to dress as Muhammad or our God. But you can dress as a general Arabic guy though.

Very insightful answer, thanks Farasoi.

I think I'll just go as Brian.

xbox36016

going as mr top gun tom curie

Farasoi

bubonicus wrote: »

Very insightful answer, thanks Farasoi.

I think I'll just go as Brian.

You're welcome. Hmm Brian? Brian who?

Speaking about Halloween, this is my first year in Dublin and my friends in research group have asked me already to join Halloween party because they are planning to create a theme for the group, so right now I'm thinking whether to join or not. Any opinion on this? I mean, it would be fun to see real Halloween celebration here in Ireland, and I'm not going to drink so I think I'll be fine, but do others find it odd to see a Muslim female in during Halloween celebration?

studiorat

Farasoi wrote: »

You're welcome. Hmm Brian? Brian who?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monty_Python%27s_Life_of_Brian

Enjoy the party.

JimiTime

bubonicus wrote: »

maybe some Christians could tell me why a Jesus costume is fine to wear?

Just to answer that part. I, as a christian, don't like the idea of someone dressing up as Jesus for fancy dress etc. I don't like seeing T-Shirts with him etc etc. I would think that there are many christians who think like this. I think the issue is with the repecussions of such an act. If the media is to be believed, there are some muslims out there who will get violent at such a thing. Whereas, Christians would be more pacifist when faced with such things. Thats my 2 cent anyway.

wes

Farasoi wrote: »

Speaking about Halloween, this is my first year in Dublin and my friends in research group have asked me already to join Halloween party because they are planning to create a theme for the group, so right now I'm thinking whether to join or not. Any opinion on this?

Halloween, is always a good laugh. Dressing up and going out with a few mates is good fun. I don't drink either, so you should be fine.

Having said that, it was far more fun as a child and to go out "trick or treating", but fun can still be had, when your older.

Still, if you have never been to a Halloween, you should definetly go. I reckon you will have a good time. The only caveat, I should mention, is that it will be very busy if your going out to a pub/club and if its too busy that can be a bit of a pain. Otherwise, it tends to be a good laugh.

Farasoi wrote: »

I mean, it would be fun to see real Halloween celebration here in Ireland, and I'm not going to drink so I think I'll be fine, but do others find it odd to see a Muslim female in during Halloween celebration?

Couple of the Muslims girls in my class (when I was in college), went out with the rest of us for Halloween a couple of times. So its not strange at all.

studiorat

Am I the only person who finds this thread hilarious?

Malari

studiorat wrote: »

Am I the only person who finds this thread hilarious?

I think all things should be open to comedic attack, don't be worried about offending anyone unless of course they are going to issue a fatwa on your life...

Honey-ec

Farasoi wrote: »

do others find it odd to see a Muslim female in during Halloween celebration?

Not at all. Although Halloween has its origins as a pagan festival, there are absolutely no religious connotations to it in Ireland these days.

Well, not unless you'll be celebrating it with Wiccans, anyway.

Sesshoumaru

bubonicus wrote: »

Very insightful answer, thanks Farasoi.

I think I'll just go as Brian.

So what ultimately was your reason for not going as muhammad? Not wanting to offend? because dressing up as any religious figure is bound to offend some persons deeply held and irrational beliefs.

Are you afraid some muslim will go jihad when they see you?

bubonicus

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

So what ultimately was your reason for not going as muhammad? Not wanting to offend? because dressing up as any religious figure is bound to offend some persons deeply held and irrational beliefs.

Respect.

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

Are you afraid some muslim will go jihad when they see you?

tut tut.:rolleyes:

Malari

OK, sorry for any offense caused (I'm on my first yellow!), but I was trying to say what Sesshoumaru was saying above. Outside this forum, what is the reason for not wanting to offend muslims in particular?

Sesshoumaru

bubonicus wrote: »

Respect.



tut tut.:rolleyes:

Why only respect for Islam? I'm assuming dressing as Brian was some reference to the life of Brian?

bubonicus

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

Why only respect for Islam? I'm assuming dressing as Brian was some reference to the life of Brian?

It's not out of respect for Islam alone. It's out of repect for the reply Farasoi gave. She would be offended out of love for her prophet, not for hating the person dressing up as him. I think that deserves great respect.

And Correct.

Sesshoumaru

bubonicus wrote: »

It's not out of respect for Islam alone. It's out of repect for the reply Farasoi gave. She would be offended out of love for her prophet, not for hating the person dressing up as him. I think that deserves great respect.

So you go to this party as Brian a caricature of Jesus? What about a Christians love for their savior Jesus Christ? You don't need to be told this, I'm sure you know it already. But you will be deeply offending many devout Christians going as the character from the Life of Brian.

This whole process you've gone through of checking if it will offend anyone is ludicrous to begin with and why have you only checked here on the Islam board? Why didn't you feel the need to check with Christians on their board?

studiorat

^^^

I keep getting a picture of two guys in white robes and false beards looking at each other at a fancy dress party going...

"who are the hell are you supposed to be?!"

bubonicus

Sesshoumaru wrote: »

So you go to this party as Brian a caricature of Jesus? What about a Christians love for their savior Jesus Christ? You don't need to be told this, I'm sure you know it already. But you will be deeply offending many devout Christians going as the character from the Life of Brian.

This whole process you've gone through of checking if it will offend anyone is ludicrous to begin with and why have you only checked here on the Islam board? Why didn't you feel the need to check with Christians on their board?

Excuse me, Brian was NOT a caricature of Jesus. Maybe you need to watch the movie before making comment.

Brian is only a movie prophet therefore I cannot offend the characters from the movie.

Just to clarify, In the movie, Jesus was born a few stables down from Brian, so infact the Life of Brian had nothing to do with Jesus.

And for your second point, you need to read my first post again. Also All this was in response to this thread.

Sesshoumaru

bubonicus wrote: »

Excuse me, Brian was NOT a caricature of Jesus. Maybe you need to watch the movie before making comment.

Brian is only a movie prophet therefore I cannot offend the characters from the movie.

Just to clarify, In the movie, Jesus was born a few stables down from Brian, so infact the Life of Brian had nothing to do with Jesus.

And for your second point, you need to read my first post again. Also All this was in response to this thread.

Yes I watched the movie, several times. Your argument is sad and silly. Where did the inspiration for the life of Brian come from? Would the movie have been made if there was no Christian faith and Jesus? Of course its about Jesus! and I'm reasonably sure you know that as well and are just being difficult for reasons known only to you!

Fancy Dresser wrote:

Fancy Dress Costumes
bubonicus - You trying to get us all killed? We have loads of offensive costumes on our site but that goes a little too far even for us.


Maybe go with a Jesus Costume Or a Buddha.

I wonder why he considers dressing as the muslim prophet to be a step too far? He's got a Jesus costume on his website!

http://www.thecostumeshop.ie/christmas-male/jesus-costume.html

You've also pulled back from your original plan. Now you'll go as Brian right? do they have a Brian costume? or will that just be the Jesus costume? :rolleyes:

ironingbored

bubonicus wrote: »

Respect.

tut tut.:rolleyes:

Respect has to be earned. Respect for for fellow human beings is a given. Although I think wearing a Mohammed costume is just a bad choice, not doing so out of respect for beliefs that do not merit respect is another thing. It's time that we called a spade a spade and shouted from the rooftops that the emperor has no clothes.

Hobbes

Hi, I trust everyone understands the forum charter and plans to stick by it.

CerebralCortex

bubonicus wrote: »

...Richard Dawkins,
...

Why what has he got to do with religion? Last time I checked he was a biologist?

Galvasean

CerebralCortex wrote: »

Why what has he got to do with religion? Last time I checked he was a biologist?

You could do an interesting sketch. Several religious folk arguing over which is the one true faith and explaining why each others' faiths are misguided. Then when Dawkins walks in proclaiming that they are all wrong they team up and jump him.

Bottle_of_Smoke

Galvasean wrote: »

You could do an interesting sketch. Several religious folk arguing over which is the one true faith and explaining why each others' faiths are misguided. Then when Dawkins walks in proclaiming that they are all wrong they team up and jump him.

Weird, have been thinking about that one for a while now. Stay out of my head!

PoleStar

I dont know why you are asking for peoples approval to dress as Mohammed.

This is Ireland, you can dress as whoever you like.

Although I guess there is a chance of being killed.

Look at what happened to those guys involved in the cartoons of Mohammed.

Maybe Jesus is safer, the only Christians are probabably gonna be drunk and at the party.

Tomk1

PoleStar wrote: »

I dont know why you are asking for peoples approval to dress as Mohammed.

This is Ireland, you can dress as whoever you like.

Although I guess there is a chance of being killed.

Look at what happened to those guys involved in the cartoons of Mohammed.

Maybe Jesus is safer, the only Christians are probabably gonna be drunk and at the party.

I think that is the very reason you should dress as mo. If the only reason you don't is because you will be attacked in you country then what can I say. In fact I find it offensive against our rights that there even needs to be a debate on this and our civil liberty. On another note, why in hell would you want to dress you as that person, who..(don't want to get flagged again).
How about going as that person that wants to rob from the pensioners, Brian Cowen

Hobbes

PoleStar wrote: »

Although I guess there is a chance of being killed.

Yes if he gets too drunk he might walk out in front of a car. If you meant violence on him then don't be an idiot.

af_thefragile

I'ld say it'ld be a bad idea...

And there's nothing specific you can do to dress like Mohammed i guess. Like he looked like just another Arab person of those times i think...

studiorat

Hobbes wrote: »

Yes if he gets too drunk he might walk out in front of a car. If you meant violence on him then don't be an idiot.

Certain parts of Dublin you'd be taking your life in your hands walking around on a normal night.

DanCorb

studiorat wrote: »

Certain parts of Dublin you'd be taking your life in your hands walking around on a normal night.

And that's exactly what gives Islam it's bad name. That needs to change.

Hobbes

DanCorb wrote: »

And that's exactly what gives Islam it's bad name. That needs to change.

I am not sure if that is satire or not.

studiorat

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