WWE Creative slowing down build ups

CMpunked · 29-09-2008 9:41pm #1

From Wrestlezone:
(according to the observer

)

According to The Wrestling Observer, WWE creative has made the decision to slow down the pace of storylines as there have been many complaints concerning the hurried nature of most programs. As we have been seeing for quite some time now, the Shawn Michales/Chris Jericho angle has been playing out for a long time, which is a good example of creative implementing a slower build toward angle blow offs. Originally, creative had plans for Randy Orton to be the leader of the DiBiase, Rhodes and Manu group within 2-3 weeks of its inception, but since then have decided to tease it longer in hopes that a more drawn out storyline will increase it's effectiveness.

What do you think, will this make WWE programming a little more interesting in the future?

Podge2k7 · 29-09-2008 9:44pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

From Wrestlezone:
(according to the observer )

What do you think, will this make WWE programming a little more interesting in the future?

I hope it makes it better anyway!

rovert · 29-09-2008 9:52pm

Pffff two week old news.

Anyway in relation to this news, does anyone remember WWE's one week fad of presenting Divas as classy? Exactly. Id rather WWE just don’t sing it bring it so to speak when in comes to that stuff. The WWE creative process is at odds with slowing things down as Vince McMahon is very temperamental and increasingly forgetful when it comes to details.

CMpunked · 29-09-2008 10:06pm

rovert wrote: »

Pffff two week old news.

Was this already threaded?....

Firewalkwithme · 29-09-2008 10:09pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Was this already threaded?....

Yes on another website - shame on you for not knowing everything

rovert · 29-09-2008 10:10pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Was this already threaded?....

No it was in the Observer two maybe three weeks ago thats all.

CMpunked · 29-09-2008 10:23pm

rovert wrote: »

No it was in the Observer two maybe three weeks ago thats all.

Ah ok

As long as im not double posting.

Fozzy · 29-09-2008 10:25pm

Like rovert said, that may be what they want right now but all it takes is for Vince to get mad about the ratings one week and it could all change. I wouldn't put too much belief in them yet, not when Cena vs Batista happened so recently

rovert · 29-09-2008 10:28pm

Fozzy wrote: »

Like rovert said, that may be what they want right now but all it takes is for Vince to get mad about the ratings one week and it could all change. I wouldn't put too much belief in them yet, not when Cena vs Batista happened so recently

Or Edge vs HHH or even booking the next HBK/Y2J match a month too early IMO.

rovert · 30-09-2008 6:45am

RAW

*cough*Putting up Rey's with 6 days build *cough*

EdK · 30-09-2008 12:50pm

Thats is so obviously where that storyline has been going since day one to be fair

rovert · 30-09-2008 1:03pm

EdK wrote: »

Thats is so obviously where that storyline has been going since day one to be fair

And? Thats not the point here.

Mitch Connor · 30-09-2008 1:09pm

rovert wrote: »

And? Thats not the point.

yeah - that could have had Kane try to take the mask off him during, or after the match and have someone come in for the save, and build up the Mask issue for at least another month. However, they could have Rey sneak the win, thus keeping the mask and enraging Kane, which would allow them to keep the story line. Regardless, I can't see them unmasking Rey - i would think the luchador image too big to do away with.

EdK · 30-09-2008 1:20pm

Tauren wrote: »

yeah - that could have had Kane try to take the mask off him during, or after the match and have someone come in for the save, and build up the Mask issue for at least another month. However, they could have Rey sneak the win, thus keeping the mask and enraging Kane, which would allow them to keep the story line. Regardless, I can't see them unmasking Rey - i would think the luchador image too big to do away with.

Nobody wants to see Kane wrestle Mysterio again after Sunday there is an awkwardness about the two of them because of size etc

EdK · 30-09-2008 1:21pm

rovert wrote: »

And? Thats not the point here.

i believe its precisely the point

rovert · 30-09-2008 1:28pm

EdK wrote: »

i believe its precisely the point

Title: WWE Creative slowing down build ups

When actual fact:

They announced what should be a major stipulation SIX DAYS ONLY IN PASSING prior to a PPV

Your point:

EdK wrote: »

Thats is so obviously where that storyline has been going since day one to be fair

The fact is that they havent built the stipulation up since day one consistantly or properly. They gone

EdK · 30-09-2008 1:29pm

The fact that Rey wears the mask is the premise of the storyline, Kane is only be yacking on about it for 2 months

rovert · 30-09-2008 1:33pm

EdK wrote: »

The fact that Rey wears the mask is the premise of the storyline, Kane is only be yacking on about it for 2 months

You dont build up a mask match in six days simple as. That is hotshoting not a slow build.

Cactus Col · 30-09-2008 1:50pm

rovert wrote: »

You dont build up a mask match in six days simple as. That is hotshoting not a slow build.

I don't know that it is hotshoting ...i think it's the next logical step in upping the ante. Even with a slow build I think the mysterio kane storyline has run its course.

Anyway Slow build / fast build is irrelevant when there's a lack of quality to the storylines.

rovert · 30-09-2008 2:00pm

Cactus Col wrote: »

I don't know that it is hotshoting ...i think it's the next logical step in upping the ante. Even with a slow build I think the mysterio kane storyline has run its course..

The next LOGICAL step in this feud. LOL logic in this fued give me a break, seriously.

Explain to me what your idea of hotshoting is.

Cactus Col wrote: »

Anyway Slow build / fast build is irrelevant when there's a lack of quality to the storylines.

Give me an example of a quality fast build which was better and more successful than if the build was quality slow one?

Cactus Col · 30-09-2008 2:09pm

rovert wrote: »

The next LOGICAL step in this feud. LOL logic in this fued give me a break, seriously.

Explain to me what your idea of hotshoting is.

Hotshoting, as far as I can see it, is coming up with ideas on the spot, or with very little time to go. I think everybody could see that this feud was gonna be building towards a mask stipulation match.

rovert wrote: »

Give me an example of a quality fast build which was better and more successful than if the build was quality slow one?

How fast does a build have to be to be considered fast?

Actually I probably won't be able to give you a decent fast build, because my memory of such things is pretty bad! But that doesn't mean they exist.

rovert · 30-09-2008 2:26pm

Cactus Col wrote: »

Hotshoting, as far as I can see it, is coming up with ideas on the spot, or with very little time to go. I think everybody could see that this feud was gonna be building towards a mask stipulation match.

Hotshoting isnt coming up with ideas but you are close with other thing you said. This isnt about building up feud or its direct per se it is about building up a match and stipulation. It simply isnt true to say everyone could see that this feud was gonna be building towards a mask stipulation match as the direction of it meandered. There hasnt been numerous Raws where people have thought that the storyline was being dropped or ended.

Cactus Col wrote: »

How fast does a build have to be to be considered fast?

Actually I probably won't be able to give you a decent fast build, because my memory of such things is pretty bad! But that doesn't mean they exist.

If you dont know the difference or have your own personal understanding of what a fast/slow build is, how can you call both irrelvent even if there is lack of quality to the storylines.

Cactus Col · 30-09-2008 3:15pm

rovert wrote: »

Hotshoting isnt coming up with ideas but you are close with other thing you said. This isnt about building up feud or its direct per se it is about building up a match and stipulation. It simply isnt true to say everyone could see that this feud was gonna be building towards a mask stipulation match as the direction of it meandered. There hasnt been numerous Raws where people have thought that the storyline was being dropped or ended.

It certainly seemed obvious to me this is where it was all heading. And that this is a transitionary feud to get Rey back up and running and give him some momentum on his return.

rovert wrote: »

If you dont know the difference or have your own personal understanding of what a fast/slow build is, how can you call both irrelvent even if there is lack of quality to the storylines.

Well, for me a fast build would be less than four weeks, building to a ppv match, and then having both wrestlers move on to something else.

rovert · 30-09-2008 4:16pm

Cactus Col wrote: »

It certainly seemed obvious to me this is where it was all heading. And that this is a transitionary feud to get Rey back up and running and give him some momentum on his return.

Still the stipulation means nothing as it wasnt treated as important as it was only announced in passing six days before the PPV as a late addition. Nor was what the mask means to Rey and Mexican culture emphasised.

CMpunked · 30-09-2008 4:41pm

rovert wrote: »

Title: WWE Creative slowing down build ups

When actual fact:
They announced what should be a major stipulation SIX DAYS ONLY IN PASSING prior to a PPV

This match has been building up for months ever since kane pulled reys mask out of that bag.

The match stipulation has nothing to with the build up really. Unless it was to do with other people, or if it was a gimmick match.

But everybody knew that it would lead to a match between the two!

rovert · 30-09-2008 4:54pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

This match has been building up for months ever since kane pulled reys mask out of that bag.

The match stipulation has nothing to with the build up really. Unless it was to do with other people, or if it was a gimmick match.

Read this back over, CBG.

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

But everybody knew that it would lead to a match between the two!

Arent all fueds meant to do that?

CMpunked · 30-09-2008 5:00pm

rovert wrote: »

Read this back over, CBG.

Arent all fueds meant to do that?

I dont know wtf your getting at here.

you really have an amazing way of putting words in peoples mouths.

But im not going to hold it against you. I dropped the petty things a while ago.

rovert · 30-09-2008 5:05pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

I dont know wtf your getting at here.

you really have an amazing way of putting words in peoples mouths.

But im not going to hold it against you. I dropped the petty things a while ago.

Im quote you directly so how could I be putting words in peoples mouths. What you said is what you said.

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

This match has been building up for months ever since kane pulled reys mask out of that bag.

The match stipulation has nothing to with the build up really. Unless it was to do with other people, or if it was a gimmick match.

The match stipulation is a mask match....

flahavaj · 30-09-2008 7:27pm

Have to side with rovert here. 6 days is way too little time to emphasise the huge importance of losing your mask to the Mexican people. Unmasking in Mexico is a BIG deal (see the huge Blue Panther unmasking recently and the rumoured large sum of money it took to make that happen).

It may have been obvious that this was the eventual way they were going to blow of the feud. it doesn't excuse announcing it way to close to the PPV and denying themselves the chance to make the match seem important.

CMpunked · 30-09-2008 9:02pm

flahavaj wrote: »

Have to side with rovert here. 6 days is way too little time to emphasise the huge importance of losing your mask to the Mexican people. Unmasking in Mexico is a BIG deal (see the huge Blue Panther unmasking recently and the rumoured large sum of money it took to make that happen).

It may have been obvious that this was the eventual way they were going to blow of the feud. it doesn't excuse announcing it way to close to the PPV and denying themselves the chance to make the match seem important.

Good point.

Wonder if the match was announced, the stipulation i mean, say 2 weeks ago, would it have had much of a difference to the programme.

rovert · 30-09-2008 9:08pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Good point.

Wonder if the match was announced, the stipulation i mean, say 2 weeks ago, would it have had much of a difference to the programme.

It would have given it the focus it certainly lacked at points.

Firewalkwithme · 30-09-2008 9:14pm

On the recent R.A.W. or A.W.R. tour (whatever it was called) my 2 and a half your old son answered Chris Masters Masterlock Challenge. Masters wouldn't take the challenge for some reason so we stole his towel on the way out.

Anyway, my son has vowed to say his prayers, take his 'vitamins' etc. so that when he is big and strong he will seek out Masters and have his revenge.

Now that is a slow build.

rovert · 30-09-2008 9:24pm

Cartoon_Head wrote: »

On the recent R.A.W. or A.W.R. tour (whatever it was called) my 2 and a half your old son answered Chris Masters Masterlock Challenge. Masters wouldn't take the challenge for some reason so we stole his towel on the way out.

Anyway, my son has vowed to say his prayers, take his 'vitamins' etc. so that when he is big and strong he will seek out Masters and have his revenge.

Now that is a slow build.

^ Now this is what Im talking about.

CMpunked · 30-09-2008 9:30pm

rovert wrote: »

It would have given it the focus it certainly lacked at points.

I could see it that the time would have been just wasted.

Cartoon_Head wrote: »

On the recent R.A.W. or A.W.R. tour (whatever it was called) my 2 and a half your old son answered Chris Masters Masterlock Challenge. Masters wouldn't take the challenge for some reason so we stole his towel on the way out.

Anyway, my son has vowed to say his prayers, take his 'vitamins' etc. so that when he is big and strong he will seek out Masters and have his revenge.

Now that is a slow build.

:pac:

Classic!

Also love how you pointed it out that he wouldnt accept your kids challange "For some reason"!

krudler · 30-09-2008 9:31pm

I wonder will that kid who got kicked out of the first night in the Point in 2007 for smacking Lance Cade in the chest do a run in at the next show in April for revenge:D

Looking back at 80s stuff recently and the builds for fueds then was crazy long, granted less ppvs to cover but the matches meant so much more, Hogan and Savage started falling apart in mid 88 (?) and built right up to Mania 5, unheard of these days

CMpunked · 30-09-2008 9:33pm

krudler wrote: »

I wonder will that kid who got kicked out of the first night in the Point for smacking Lance Cade in the chest do a run in at the next show in April for revenge

Wtf?

Elaborate please? sounds like a kick ass story!

krudler · 30-09-2008 9:36pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Wtf?

Elaborate please? sounds like a kick ass story!

Oh some kid about 13 i'd say was sitting front row (it might have been the second night now i think of it I was in the balcony) stood up when Cade was standing on the guardrail doing the shouty heel thing to the audience and he belted him right in the chest, Murdoch ran over and started shouting at the kids and security escorted him and his 2 mates out, he was getting a bollocking off them the whole it way it was hilarious:D

CMpunked · 30-09-2008 9:40pm

krudler wrote: »

Oh some kid about 13 i'd say was sitting front row (it might have been the second night now i think of it I was in the balcony) stood up when Cade was standing on the guardrail doing the shouty heel thing to the audience and he belted him right in the chest, Murdoch ran over and started shouting at the kids and security escorted him and his 2 mates out, he was getting a bollocking off them the whole it way it was hilarious:D

Was he unaccompanied?

Thats crazy, i think security could have slightly over-reacted there!

Firewalkwithme · 30-09-2008 9:45pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Was he unaccompanied?

Thats crazy, i think security could have slightly over-reacted there!

No - they were dead right to throw him out. You don't put your hands on the talent in that manner. Let one kid away with it and before you know it you will have a riot on your hands.

krudler · 30-09-2008 9:46pm

yeah it was just the 3 of them, I reckon the parents who picked them up were pissed they spent over 200 quid so their kids could watch about a half hour of wrestling

CMpunked · 30-09-2008 9:56pm

krudler wrote: »

yeah it was just the 3 of them, I reckon the parents who picked them up were pissed they spent over 200 quid so their kids could watch about a half hour of wrestling

In fairness what did they expect if they werent gonna be at least there to look after them.
:pac:

rovert · 01-10-2008 7:26pm

Vince's latest kick this week seems to be wanting wrestlers to become HBO level actors going by what is written in today's Observer.

ShawnRaven · 03-10-2008 6:06pm

rovert wrote: »

Vince's latest kick this week seems to be wanting wrestlers to become HBO level actors going by what is written in today's Observer.

Read about this, and i'm guessing this is where Freddie Prinze Jr comes into the fold.

For the record, this is hardly two week old news, more like four month old news! It's been obvious since around Judgment Day/ GAB that WWE are slowing down the buildups. They're only just admitting it now over the last couple of weeks.

rovert · 03-10-2008 6:14pm

ShawnRaven wrote: »

Read about this, and i'm guessing this is where Freddie Prinze Jr comes into the fold.

Kinda he is a coach role along with Michael Hayes who will help them in a more traditional way.

ShawnRaven · 03-10-2008 6:24pm

So glad i stopped watching WWE!

CMpunked · 03-10-2008 7:58pm

ShawnRaven wrote: »

So glad i stopped watching WWE!

And how we all envy you.

ShawnRaven · 03-10-2008 8:08pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

And how we all envy you.

So you should, i still have my sanity and five more hours a week more than you.

CMpunked · 03-10-2008 8:19pm

ShawnRaven wrote: »

So you should, i still have my sanity and five more hours a week more than you.

It only takes my 5 minutes at most to read spoilers.

And good ol Sky+ always comes in handy if i wanna see something in particular.

What you meant to say was

So you should, i still have my sanity and five more hours a week more than your Little brother.

ShawnRaven · 03-10-2008 8:25pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

It only takes my 5 minutes at most to read spoilers.

That was kinda my point! :rolleyes:

CMpunked · 03-10-2008 8:34pm

ShawnRaven wrote: »

That was kinda my point! :rolleyes:

Strangely enough, mine too...

ShawnRaven · 03-10-2008 8:38pm

Comic-Book-Guy wrote: »

Strangely enough, mine too...

Yes very strange, so instead, you disagreed/argued for the sake of it, right?
Whatever :rolleyes:

WWE Creative slowing down build ups

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