Gatso Van M1

eringobragh

Its there since 8:30am this morning

Just Heads up for the GATSO parked behind roadwork sign just after the M50 slip and before the airport exit its in the 80K wouldn't you know. I spotted it and slowed alright but i can see a pile up happening....so much for road safety :rolleyes:

If only they'd this much enthusiasm and creativity catching real criminals.

stevedublin

you shouldn't be taking pictures while driving, I've forwarded your IP address to An Garda Suiochana
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just kidding!

peasant

That really is a stupid place for a gatso van ...he's blocking the line of sight of the people trying to merge

*Tripper*

My god, you wonder what makes them think ah sure i'll just park the old gatso here, ejits.

chickenhawk

*Tripper* wrote: »

them think....

I admire your optimism that some thought went into that!

*Tripper*

^ Ha! It's funny cause it's true!

Guy:Incognito

peasant wrote: »

That really is a stupid place for a gatso van ...he's blocking the line of sight of the people trying to merge

It's behind the roadworks sign so it's not blocking much more than that was already in fairness.

I predict no accidents.

highdef

I joined the M1 at this slip road this morning and the Gatso van was there. I was aware it was there but it did not block my view. Had no problem with it there. Good place for a Gatso as there are a lot of merging lanes here and speeders would pose a danger. I really can't see the problem with it or any speed camera being there, or almost anywhere for that matter. If you are observing the speed limit, then it will NEVER be an issue with you. They can put 1000's of cameras around the country and it won't bother me one bit. Average speed cameras would be better though, I'll admit. The only reason for people being against the cameras is that those same people are speeders and they feel they are being denied their "right" to pose a danger to normal road users. Saying it's an infringement on privacy or a money making scheme is a load of bo$$ocks!!! Grow up, don't speed and we all might live a little bit longer.

As for the Gatso van causing a pile up, the only way I can see it happening is if people are taking photographs of the van while they're driving. :rolleyes:

Run_to_da_hills

stevedublin wrote: »

you shouldn't be taking pictures while driving, I've forwarded your IP address to An Garda Suiochana
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just kidding!

No need to, the Gatso van has a sophisticated Infra red camera with zoom in ANPR capabilities, They already has his number plate logged. He will receive a summons in due course for holding a hand held device while driving and also obstructing justice by posting advanced warnings of the speed check.

antodeco

highdef wrote: »

I joined the M1 at this slip road this morning and the Gatso van was there. I was aware it was there but it did not block my view. Had no problem with it there. Good place for a Gatso as there are a lot of merging lanes here and speeders would pose a danger. I really can't see the problem with it or any speed camera being there, or almost anywhere for that matter. If you are observing the speed limit, then it will NEVER be an issue with you. They can put 1000's of cameras around the country and it won't bother me one bit. Average speed cameras would be better though, I'll admit. The only reason for people being against the cameras is that those same people are speeders and they feel they are being denied their "right" to pose a danger to normal road users. Saying it's an infringement on privacy or a money making scheme is a load of bo$$ocks!!! Grow up, don't speed and we all might live a little bit longer.

As for the Gatso van causing a pile up, the only way I can see it happening is if people are taking photographs of the van while they're driving. :rolleyes:

Let he without sin, cast the first stone...

blahblah06

thanks for the warning but i think its to late haha

highdef

lol. And I'm not on a high horse before someone says that.
I really can't see what the gripe is with the safety/speed cameras. Should I think more along the lines of "How dare I be punished for breaking the law" or "How dare I be punished for driving without due care and attention". Why is everyone obsessed with speed cameras? Seriously........WHY???

eringobragh

highdef wrote: »

As for the Gatso van causing a pile up, the only way I can see it happening is if people are taking photographs of the van while they're driving. :rolleyes:

Sorry who was taking photos?? I've a camera in my car on constant record. Usual high and mighty attitude. :mad:

skibum

highdef wrote: »

As for the Gatso van causing a pile up, the only way I can see it happening is if people are taking photographs of the van while they're driving. :rolleyes:

The op has a dash camera, so I don't think he was using a hand held camera

bman

highdef wrote: »

lol. And I'm not on a high horse before someone says that.
I really can't see what the gripe is with the safety/speed cameras. Should I think more along the lines of "How dare I be punished for breaking the law" or "How dare I be punished for driving without due care and attention". Why is everyone obsessed with speed cameras? Seriously........WHY???

Because the speed limit there is too low (as it is almost everywhere in this country). The cameras aren't placed in accident prone areas and are placed in areas where the speed limit is too low, and that's why people have a gripe with them.

highdef

eringobragh, I apologise for assuming you had been taking photographs with a hand held camera. I should have known from the quality of the pics that they were stills from video. Sorry.

bman, I don't think the speed limit at this point is too low at all. The merge beside the Gatso van in the photos is very short and even at 80 KMH, it can be quite difficult to merge when traffic is anything but light. Just after this, there is a lot more merging with people trying to get on and off the airport bound lane. I have seen a Gatso van slightly further north literally just before the 120 KMH signs. I'm sure a lot of people would see this as being unfair, however the new limit does not actually start until you pass these signs. But I can see how people can see it as being a little bit "sneaky".

Of course, if we had good drivers more prevelant in the country, things would be much better. We need less of the "I drive at the same speed all the time, no matter what the limit may be". For example, I sometimes drive the on the R154 to Trim from Dublin and countless times, I will be driving at the posted limit and will need to overtake a car going about 60 or 70. Then when I get to Batterstown, I slow to 50 and the car will suddenly catch up on me, overtake me near the far end of the village and then when the limit goes back to 80, I catch back up and overtake when/if safe and the process is repeated again at Kiltale.

Anyway, I've gone OT....sorry.

eringobragh

highdef wrote: »

eringobragh, I apologise for assuming you had been taking photographs with a hand held camera. I should have known from the quality of the pics that they were stills from video. Sorry.

No problem

highdef wrote: »

But I can see how people can see it as being a little bit "sneaky".

Certainly is lLucky i was joining off the slip just before it and was merging but i can see plenty being reefed!!

skibum

@ eringobragh, going slightly off topic, what type of camera set-up have you got installed in your car? Where is it mounted?

eringobragh

skibum wrote: »

@ eringobragh, going slightly off topic, what type of camera set-up have you got installed in your car? Where is it mounted?

The answers below should help you

eringobragh wrote:

cormie wrote:

Howdy, saw your youtube link, is that your profile? Where did you get the cam? Was it pricey? Would be good to have incase anything happened. Is it complicated to set up, what does it record to, how long can it record for? can it loop over what you've already recorded if no incidents happen etc?

Regards,
Corm

Hi Cormie,

Wow alot of questions lol

cormie wrote:

Howdy, saw your youtube link, is that your profile?

It is

cormie wrote:

Where did you get the cam? Was it pricey?

Cameras cheapest part the DVR is the most expensive but even thats pretty cheap

The cameras an outdoor one . Its a Sony CCD important to get a good one as theres alot of shiite minicams out there! I removed the casing from and IR array and its about the size of a large stamp and mounted it on the RVM stalkwith auto molding tape (very neat and stealth)

http://cgi.ebay.ie/S51-CCTV-Outdoor-SONY-1-3-CCD-Security-Camera-36-IR_W0QQitemZ360086293001QQihZ023QQcategoryZ48632QQss

cormie wrote:

Would be good to have incase anything happened.

Definately

cormie wrote:

Is it complicated to set up

Well it depends on how good you are with car electrics i found it pretty easy. Its a matter of removing the A pillar and getting a few 12v power leads. I hardwired a cig lighter socker with one of these (www.accessafuse.com) and powered the mic and camera. The DVR needs a inverter to drop it to 5v.

cormie wrote:

Is it complicated to set up, what does it record to, how long can it record for?

The Recorder is a small DVR which i coupled in a 2GB SD Card it gets a couple of days driving before it loops over the first clips

http://cgi.ebay.ie/Mini-Portable-DVR-Audio-Video-Recorder-MOTION-ACTIVATED_W0QQitemZ290258062783QQihZ019QQcategoryZ48634QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

The DVR needs 5v so a maplins car adapter does the trick and I've hardwired and hidden the system so no ugly wires everywhere you'd have to show someone the camera o they wouldn't see it

cormie wrote:

can it loop over what you've already recorded if no incidents happen etc?

Yes!! You'll need a 12v mic as well there only 10$ or so on ebay as well and a converter BNC to RCA (Female) for the camera!!

Any more q's ill be happy to help

skibum

Thanks for the info, looks good, will give it a go

Sizzler

highdef wrote: »

I joined the M1 at this slip road this morning and the Gatso van was there. I was aware it was there but it did not block my view. Had no problem with it there. Good place for a Gatso as there are a lot of merging lanes here and speeders would pose a danger. I really can't see the problem with it or any speed camera being there, or almost anywhere for that matter. If you are observing the speed limit, then it will NEVER be an issue with you. They can put 1000's of cameras around the country and it won't bother me one bit. Average speed cameras would be better though, I'll admit. The only reason for people being against the cameras is that those same people are speeders and they feel they are being denied their "right" to pose a danger to normal road users. Saying it's an infringement on privacy or a money making scheme is a load of bo$$ocks!!! Grow up, don't speed and we all might live a little bit longer.

As for the Gatso van causing a pile up, the only way I can see it happening is if people are taking photographs of the van while they're driving. :rolleyes:

I would love someone to go and put a hidden camera in your car tonight while you are asleep in your postman pat PJ's and then review how consistent you are with the speed limit over a few days :rolleyes:

highdef

Oh, I'd love that Sizzler After reading the installation for eringobragh's set-up, I'm being tempted to fit one myself. So please, do come over and fit one. It'll save me money and time.

I'd even post the footage up here if it qualms any fears that I'm lying about my driving.

I'd say you'd hate to be driving in my proximity Sizzler. If there is a bus lane (not open to public vehicles) and it has a line of cars in it, I will drive all the way to where the bus lane ends in the normal right lane and then indicate and stop to wait to get into the left lane, if I do actually need to get into that left lane of course. Unfortunately, it blocks traffic on the main lane but then again, it's not my fault at all. Some people have said that I should just join the line of traffic in the bus lane but I don't want points in my licence and I also don't want to be delaying possibly 100 or more people on one or more buses. So by obeying the rules of the road, I get to pass out a load of cars and I save time.

Oh, and I don't wear Postman Pat pyjamas in bed - I sleep naked

D_murph

highdef wrote: »

Oh, and I don't wear Postman Pat pyjamas in bed - I sleep naked

more than we wanted to know :eek: :eek: :eek:

Sizzler

highdef wrote: »

Oh, and I don't wear Postman Pat pyjamas in bed - I sleep naked

Yakult

Pretty cool idea to have the camera. Definally gonna install one on my new car.

eringobragh

R_H_C_P wrote: »

Pretty cool idea to have the camera. Definally gonna install one on my new car.

Its worth every penny to be honest. I got it because of a few shady incidents. If you've the patience to source all the bits and are handy at DIY you should get a nice stealth install.

horsenaughton

people complain when they see no guards then when they do see guards they say they sud be away catching criminals there no pleasing the irish

eringobragh

horsenaughton wrote: »

people complain when they see no guards then when they do see guards they say they sud be away catching criminals there no pleasing the irish

Can you try and type that in English??????

BoardsRanger

highdef wrote: »

Oh, I'd love that Sizzler After reading the installation for eringobragh's set-up, I'm being tempted to fit one myself. So please, do come over and fit one. It'll save me money and time.

I'd even post the footage up here if it qualms any fears that I'm lying about my driving.

I'd say you'd hate to be driving in my proximity Sizzler. If there is a bus lane (not open to public vehicles) and it has a line of cars in it, I will drive all the way to where the bus lane ends in the normal right lane and then indicate and stop to wait to get into the left lane, if I do actually need to get into that left lane of course. Unfortunately, it blocks traffic on the main lane but then again, it's not my fault at all. Some people have said that I should just join the line of traffic in the bus lane but I don't want points in my licence and I also don't want to be delaying possibly 100 or more people on one or more buses. So by obeying the rules of the road, I get to pass out a load of cars and I save time.

Oh, and I don't wear Postman Pat pyjamas in bed - I sleep naked

God, people like you make me angry. here is my opinion- stopping in a moving lane like that rather than joining the que is dangerous and is asking to be rear ended!

eringobragh wrote: »

Its worth every penny to be honest. I got it because of a few shady incidents. If you've the patience to source all the bits and are handy at DIY you should get a nice stealth install.

I would love to have this setup. there has been so many times i have wished i had a camera when idiots are doing STUPID THINGS!!
Out of interest, are many questions raised when you are stopped at checkpoints with regards to the purpose of the camera?

eringobragh

BoardsRanger wrote: »

I would love to have this setup. there has been so many times i have wished i had a camera when idiots are doing STUPID THINGS!!
Out of interest, are many questions raised when you are stopped at checkpoints with regards to the purpose of the camera?

Its a pinhole camera mate, It can't be seen, no lie!!! It's a about the size of a large postage stamp. Only down side is that sunlight can effect it the picture as the cameras no iris correction but we don't set to much of that over here

As for your checkpoint question.

See for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8yMUUXiLPY

BoardsRanger

eringobragh wrote: »

Its a pinhole camera mate, It can't be seen, no lie!!! It's a about the size of a large postage stamp. Only down side is that sunlight can effect it the picture as the cameras no iris correction but we don't set to much of that over here

As for your checkpoint question.

See for yourself http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8yMUUXiLPY

That is really cool- and seems like it can be done for relatively cheap also! Will certainly look into a similar setup for myself. There should be an incentive of lower premiums from insurance companies if you have it installed.

eringobragh

BoardsRanger wrote: »

That is really cool- and seems like it can be done for relatively cheap also! Will certainly look into a similar setup for myself. There should be an incentive of lower premiums from insurance companies if you have it installed.

Yes I agree!! Its the reason I installed the bloody thing call me paranoid but this near miss should help justify the cost: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s-hP9Q_Mcj4 :mad:

I reckon no more than 200euros should get you everything and i've mine a couple of months now no problems. I know a few others over here have installed the same system as myself.

If you've any queries on the setup just drop us a PM.

Bee

=eringobragh;57410180]Its there since 8:30am this morning

Just Heads up for the GATSO parked behind roadwork sign just after the M50 slip and before the airport exit its in the 80K wouldn't you know. I spotted it and slowed alright but i can see a pile up happening....so much for road safety :rolleyes:

If only they'd this much enthusiasm and creativity catching real criminals.

Just another reason as to why the siting of road traffic enforcement must be taken out of the hands of the Gardai as they are demonstrably proving once again that they are doing feck all to reduce fatal road accidents by not policing in areas where the majority of fatal accidents occur.

I can just imagine the sleazy response by the Superintendant (We have increased speed penalities by (pick a number!) and we are doing a great job Minister, lots of lolly in cash cameras)

Whilst fatalities increase due to the cash camera conciousness that is doing nothing to reduce fatalites by this pizz poor policing

ArphaRima

If there is a bus lane (not open to public vehicles) and it has a line of cars in it, I will drive all the way to where the bus lane ends in the normal right lane and then indicate and stop to wait to get into the left lane, if I do actually need to get into that left lane of course. Unfortunately, it blocks traffic on the main lane but then again, it's not my fault at all. Some people have said that I should just join the line of traffic in the bus lane but I don't want points in my licence and I also don't want to be delaying possibly 100 or more people on one or more buses. So by obeying the rules of the road, I get to pass out a load of cars and I save time.

You're whats wrong with drivers in this country. Self righteous piss-poor driving.
Every other driver is using common sense and joining the queue from the back, thus freeing up the outside lane, allowing traffic to progress. You on the other hand are following a self-serving self-righteous logic to get yourself ahead of the queue. No way in hell would I allow you join the lane ahead of me.

Dr. Loon

fluffer wrote: »

You're whats wrong with drivers in this country. Self righteous piss-poor driving.
Every other driver is using common sense and joining the queue from the back, thus freeing up the outside lane, allowing traffic to progress. You on the other hand are following a self-serving self-righteous logic to get yourself ahead of the queue. No way in hell would I allow you join the lane ahead of me.

But you're in the bus lane, that you shouldn't be in?! You aren't skipping a queue by moving into the lane once the markings indicate you can do so, you're obeying the law and rules of the road. YOU are what's wrong with drivers in this country. If everyone were to obey the rules of the road, things would go alot more smoothly.

macplaxton

fluffer wrote: »

highdef wrote: »

I'd say you'd hate to be driving in my proximity Sizzler. If there is a bus lane (not open to public vehicles) and it has a line of cars in it, I will drive all the way to where the bus lane ends in the normal right lane and then indicate and stop to wait to get into the left lane, if I do actually need to get into that left lane of course. Unfortunately, it blocks traffic on the main lane but then again, it's not my fault at all. Some people have said that I should just join the line of traffic in the bus lane but I don't want points in my licence and I also don't want to be delaying possibly 100 or more people on one or more buses. So by obeying the rules of the road, I get to pass out a load of cars and I save time.

You're whats wrong with drivers in this country. Self righteous piss-poor driving.
Every other driver is using common sense and joining the queue from the back, thus freeing up the outside lane, allowing traffic to progress. You on the other hand are following a self-serving self-righteous logic to get yourself ahead of the queue. No way in hell would I allow you join the lane ahead of me.

I see nothing wrong with highdef not using the bus lane when not permitted. I wouldn't call it piss-poor. Bold boys steaming down the bus lane when in operation is. Sitting a car or two in length on the end of the bus lane is not too bad, if it doesn't block the bus getting to stop, but a long queue blocking the bus lane defeats the point of the bus lane. Not a very courteous driver are you fluffer? Before you know it, there will be loads of bus lane scameras set up to empty your pockets. You'll change your tune then.

That aside, some clowns in charge decided to have 24h bus lanes which are totally unnecessary and the very few which do have shorter operating times I NEVER see any drivers use when out of hours. (e.g. Lucan village out to Woodies). Does nobody understand the concept of reading the timeplate?

Esel

macplaxton wrote:

Does nobody understand the concept of reading the timeplate?

There's a timeplate? No way!

highdef did say "If there is a bus lane (not open to public vehicles)" though.....

I.S.T.

highdef wrote: »

lol. And I'm not on a high horse before someone says that.
I really can't see what the gripe is with the safety/speed cameras. Should I think more along the lines of "How dare I be punished for breaking the law" or "How dare I be punished for driving without due care and attention". Why is everyone obsessed with speed cameras? Seriously........WHY???

People are annoyed because most speed traps are on the country's safest roads. If you had a serious wound to your stomach which was losing a lot of blood and some small scratches on your arms you wouldn't attend to the scratches on your arms first, you would deal with the stomach. Why don't the Guards deal with the roads on which most fatal and injury accidents occur and when they've improved the accident rate on these roads then park up on dual carriageways and motorways?

familykane

bman wrote: »

Because the speed limit there is too low (as it is almost everywhere in this country). The cameras aren't placed in accident prone areas and are placed in areas where the speed limit is too low, and that's why people have a gripe with them.

I agree totally. these gatso vans are supposes to be placed in areas that have a history of road accidents. How many accidents have there been at this junction?

These gatso yokes area only about revenue collection.

Run_to_da_hills

familykane wrote: »

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These gatso yokes area only about revenue collection.

And watching out for individuals. :eek:

BoardsRanger

Dr. Loon wrote: »

But you're in the bus lane, that you shouldn't be in?! You aren't skipping a queue by moving into the lane once the markings indicate you can do so, you're obeying the law and rules of the road. YOU are what's wrong with drivers in this country. If everyone were to obey the rules of the road, things would go alot more smoothly.

No, you are! and you are of the opinion that if everybody ignored the que and tried to join it when the markings on the road permitted it then "things would go alot more smoothly" - haha!! wait till you get rear ended and then see whos showing initiative.

whosedaddy?

They can't park a GATSO van on the M1!
It's not on the list of speed enforcement zones....

http://www.garda.ie/sez/Speed_Enforcement_Zones.htm

/WD

Sizzler

I presume the driver of the van got 2 penalty points for crossing the white chevrons? And presumably he got another 2 points when he drove it away :rolleyes:

highdef

Yes but if everyone did obey the rules with bus lanes, there will be a queue of traffic in the regular lane which will be stopped or slow moving so there shouldn't really be any reason for rear ending to take place. Sure if you see a car ahead of you with his/her left indicator on and then brake lights showing, I'm sure even a really bad driver will know that the car may come to a stop and brake accordingly. If you do manage to rear end a car at the end of bus lane, you're obviously driving too close and/or not paying attention.

Having said that, the fact that so many people illegally use the bus lanes means that I get home quicker as I observe the ROTR. If people drive legally and correctly, it will take me way way longer to get home. The off-shoot of this is that this would hopefully entice more and more people to use the buses. If the bus lanes were clear at all times that buses run, or at least during the rush hours (I agree that 24 hour bus lanes are just plain silly though), travel times to and from the city would be slashed hugely. More people using the buses means less cars on the roads. Getting to that stage is nigh on impossible though. And I have to admit that I drive a company vehicle and cannot use public transport. However I certainly would if I could and always did until I had to start using the company car last november.

I also agree that speed cameras should be placed where accidents do regularly occur. Motorways are the safest roads in the country and are built for speed. But I will say that the location of the Gatso van in the OP's picture is a legitimate location as it is a potentially dangerous location due to the large amount of weaving that happens here. It just takes one car doing well over the limit to cause a serious accident here. The Gatso that is sometimes located further north just before the 120KMH signs is a little bit sneaky, as I said before.

pa990

eringobragh wrote: »

Sorry who was taking photos?? I've a camera in my car on constant record. Usual high and mighty attitude. :mad:

I presume that this was one of the new Multanova's
What sort of range did you get with a V1?

eringobragh

pa990 wrote: »

I presume that this was one of the new Multanova's
What sort of range did you get with a V1?

It wasn't a Multanova it was an older Van so the GATSO system I reckon. The V1 would get you at least 300metres+ travelling straight and 13 seconds warning at the posted speed limit. However off axis coming from the M50 slip I got **** all warning less than 100metres. You need to be on the ball on the K band. I was the 80k passing the cnut.

pa990

they usually set they're limit higher than the posted limit.. otherwise they would catch everyone.. its up to the individual operater, but it was prob set to 90/100k

Dr. Loon

BoardsRanger wrote: »

No, you are! and you are of the opinion that if everybody ignored the que and tried to join it when the markings on the road permitted it then "things would go alot more smoothly" - haha!! wait till you get rear ended and then see whos showing initiative.

If I'm understanding you correctly you're telling me I should take some "initiative" and break the rules of the road? Am I right? You see, there's the problem right there.

My girlfriend was driving my car a few weeks ago and was rear ended by an idiot who didn't understand the rules of the road. He's now paying for my repairs, because my girlfriend knows the rules of the road! If I do get rear ended entering a bus lane where the road markings permit, legally, then the person that hits me will be paying for my repairs. How about that? Ha ha!!1

Not that I want this to happen, I change lanes with the utmost of safety, but it's THE LAW my silly friend.

On topic, I've noticed a lot more Garda presence lately, and I think it's a good thing. Not the shooting fish in a barrel thing but more presence is definitely a good thing as far as I'm concerned. I always watch my speed on the M1 though. ****ers are always stashed in stupid places. Cherry picking.

highdef

Thanks for the back-up Dr Loon. And at one stage, I was half thinking that I should be joining the bus lane if there is a queue of traffic already in it. I can just imagine the conversation I'd have with a Garda if I was rear ended while waiting to join the left lane at the end of the bus lane.

Me: I was stopped in the right lane and indicating left to pull in to the left lane.
Guard: And why did you stop at that spot?
Me: Because this is where the bus lane ends and I need to turn left so this is where I join the other lane.
Guard: And why didn't you join the left lane at the back of the queue? You were holding up the traffic in the right lane and caused an accident.

Now I seriously doubt that a Guard would dare ask such a question.

The way I see it is that when I am stopped in the right lane and waiting to get into the full left lane at the end of the bus lane, I treat the thick solid white line of the bus lane as a wall that I cannot cross. Which in effect is what it is supposed to be.....a line you DO NOT cross. Obviously there are exceptional circumstances where you must. I see the start of the queue in the left lane as beginning as soon as the bus lane ends. Private vehicles still in the bus lane should not be there. They ususally let me in as they know they are in the wrong but you get a fair few who refuse to let me legally join the lane. Bothers me a bit but I don't act upon it.
Yesterday evening on the way home, I was driving from the N4 St john's Road inbound onto the South Circular Road to Islandbridge. As is often the case, there was a line of traffic over 100 metres up the Bus Lane. So I stayed in the centre lane (from left to right, it's bus lane, centre lane and right lane), indicated well in advance my intention to turn left/change lane, and braked slower that I normally would as this is dual carriageway, albeit only with a speed limit of 60 KMH. When I got to the end of the bus lane, I had to wait a few moments as the traffic in the left lane was not moving at the time. When it got going, the Dublin bus at the top of bus lane queue was more than happy to let me in as he knew that I was not one of those people who delays all his passengers. I am wary that traffic moves quickly on this particular road and there is a risk of a rear ending but why should I risk points on my licence because of other people, or should I say lemmings??? This particular road is the one I don't particularly like being stopped on. Am i still completely correct in what I am doing here?

ArphaRima

Well I think you're nuts. You could well get seriously injured or killed dong things like that. You can be as "technically" correct as you like, but if you are the lone car stopped on a dual carriageway, and traffic behind you is moving at 60mph+ then you're frankly asking for trouble. Who cares if you think you're right?
The vast majority of drivers used their --judgement-- and common sense to queue out of harms way.

What road planners hope for and what is practically viable and safe are 2 different things. I think no garda or judge would fault you for being in a bus lane on a dual carriageway in that circumstance. Its using personal judgement to assess a safe course of action. Rules are only guidelines at the end of the day. They are not definites. They can be broken in given circumstances.

Seth Brundle

highdef wrote: »

It just takes one car doing well over the limit to cause a serious accident here.

How will one car going well over the limit "cause a serious accident here"? Will it suddenly just crash for no reason? Is it a kind of twilight zone junction? :eek: