UFO seen in Meath by Garda, Politician & Pilot...

Darragh29

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/were-not-alone----politician--and-pilot--spot-ufo-1484949.html

Maximilian

Any links to the footage taken? Interesting story.

egan007

Indo wrote: »

THE truth is out there -- and if a senior garda, a Fianna Fail politician and a pilot are to be believed,

Nice opening sentence.

bandit197

Ill judge for myself when I see the footage.

Carturo

Don't need to see footage. Experienced something firsthand a couple of years back. Incredible it was, the way it moved.

Darragh29

Am kind of surprised there is no foootage of such an apparently amazing event, which makes me suspicious...

Swamp Gas or Sleep paralysis

Scruff

Just listening to a story about it on the radio. Apparently the footage was only show at the UFO Society of Ireland Conferece yesterday and will be up on the website in a few days. Footage was taken on a mobile phone so dont expect anything great....

faceman

Betty was on Gerry Ryan this morning. Her theories started to go a bit mental towards the end...

Noopti

Scruff wrote: »

Footage was taken on a mobile phone so dont expect anything great....

Sorry, but when the following is said:
""There is no footage like this in the world. It is the most amazing and spectacular I have ever seen," said Carl Nally, co-founder of UFO and Paranormal Research Ireland and joint author of 'Conspiracy of Silence'."

....I will expect something great. So if it is a grainy load of crap that is open to multitudes of interpretations I will be disappointed.

Scruff

only read the news article after hearing the bit on the radio. Ufo shooting lasers!

jon burrows

I saw a single light move across the night sky on thursday night it was too low to be a satellite or shooting star and too small to be any type of plane.... just a small white light moving in a straight line in Blanchardstown, just wondering if anyone else seen it.

nyarlothothep

If this was actually good footage it would on youtube by now. This reminds me of the american dude who claimed he had footage of an alien, where is he now?

Mena

"He added that he would not rule out speculation that increased UFO activity in the north Dublin and Meath areas was linked to the road construction works near Tara. "We cannot rule this out as a possibility. We are talking about a very ancient sacred place," he said."

That's about when I did a :rolleyes: and left to get a cup of coffee.

Four of a kind

Hi,

I actually have the footage that was shown at the UFO conference in Carrick on Shannon at the weekend. Carl Nally and Dermot Butler who I've known for two years asked me to get the footage from the mobile phone and onto disc. I'm a neighbour of Betty and its through her that I know both Carl and Dermot.

The footage is very strange and def something that could not have been tampered with. It was indeed taken from a mobile phone by a detective, who immediately sent the video to Carl Nally.

Basically Carl wanted to show the footage at the conference and expose it to the media there. My job was to put the footage in a presentation format for him to present on saturday last. The clip of the UFO is about 15 seconds long and shows a red "laser" beam shooting down to the ground from one of the three lights visible.

I was asked by the Star and the sun to provide them with stills of the footage....which Carl allowed. so the three stills I provided where shown in last Thursdays edition of the star as well as the sun on saturday.

Betty also told me today that rte were looking for the rights to show the footage and I was to send them the file. So I think they will be doing some sort of special on it...when, I don't know.

The deal was to put the clip up on youtube straight after the conference at the weekend, but Carl and dermot did'nt want to until some sort of contract was drawn up regarding rights etc..

I was at the conference for the weekend(was asked to do the photography by betty) and there was alot of hype over the clip been shown, along with a strong media presence. Due to the nature of the event though, there will always be critics about this clip, but it was not and could not have been tampered with. The quality is'nt perfect but when you do actually see it...its clear enough. I used video software to slow down the clip from the normal speed to 20% speed to show the beam shooting down from the light. I then freeze framed it at the exact second it shoots down. If someone could tell me how I could post the photo here I will.....but as to showing the footage itself...well I made a promise to the lads that I would'nt. Not untill they allow me to anyways.

The fact that this was taken from a camera phone and send immediately to Carl Nally makes it stand out from other ufo sightings imo. But you can judge for yourselves when you see it(hopefully on rte soon)

if you guys want to ask any questions relating to this feel free.

Darragh29

Any chance we can see unedited source material here???

I don't want to get into a splat on this issue, but leaving aside "contractual" issues, "rights issues" and other enterprising notions, is there any chance you guys can offer ANY evidence whatsover, with regard to your series of claims???

Noopti

There is a serious danger of over hyping at this stage. They would have been better off just having it available immediately after the conference. Perhaps drawing up "contracts" and "rights" etc etc should have been completed before the conference??

Maximilian

I wonder is this it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw92OJBvmE4

chin_grin

Maximilian wrote: »

I wonder is this it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw92OJBvmE4

Or this?

Noopti

Maximilian wrote: »

I wonder is this it?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gw92OJBvmE4

If it is........fail.

???

Has anyone tried to find the impact point? That is evidence. A video of 3 lights on a mobile phone and one of them does something unusual is well... worthless. Now if it shows a laser hitting the ground there'll be an impact point, most likely, find that and you might find something that would be worth looking at.

As for the video above, if that's the one, you look like you're filming two streetlights and a single flashing light.

Darragh29

I think the manouvering's we're seeing kind of suggest there could be another motive at work here...

Noopti

Darragh29 wrote: »

I think the manouvering's we're seeing kind of suggest there could be another motive at work here...

Save Tara or the martians will invade us?

Scruff

Will the aliens be compensated as part of this copyright deal?
Applying rights to it makes it slightly less credible imo. If ufo society members are all about exposing the alien presence and government "cover ups" surely you would want as many people as possible to see the video and the best way to do that would be to make it freely available or do the rights only cover commercial programs like documentaries.

Four of a kind wrote:

If someone could tell me how I could post the photo here I will.....but as to showing the footage itself...well I made a promise to the lads that I would'nt. Not untill they allow me to anyways.

When posting a comment just clik on the image to add the url to the picture from another location or click to attach the picture from a file.

nyarlothothep

chin_grin wrote: »

Or this?

epic win

???

Darragh29 wrote: »

I think the manouvering's we're seeing kind of suggest there could be another motive at work here...

What manouverings?

Four of a kind

this is the freeze frame from the footage that gave to the star, sun etc. the footage shown above seems to me to be like what I received...only that some sort of laser shoots down from one of the lights.

Four of a kind

Darragh29 wrote: »

Any chance we can see unedited source material here???

yes i have the unedited material that was sent immediately to Carl Nally, but as I said I'm not in a position to give out the footage until Carl contacts me. The whole UFO paranormal area is'nt something i've well versed in so excuse my ignorance to some issues.

Zillah

That looks exactly like a Paint picture with a black background, three dots and a red line.

I eagerly await the video...

Four of a kind

Zillah wrote: »

That looks exactly like a Paint picture with a black background, three dots and a red line.

I eagerly await the video...

I can quiet assure you that its nothing of the sort...even though I have all the tools to do such a job.....the video speaks for itself. The actual video clip I received is 15 seconds long with the laser shooting down at 7.5 seconds. I am not a video or photography expert or anything or the sort by the way.

I wanted to post it up on youtube after the conference but I was told not to until further notice. :mad:

Noopti

Looks very.......clean. I will reserve judgment until I see the video

Edit: Did you need to use Photoshop to convert the image?

jessconr

very interesting. Is there any way to enhance the stills taken from the video so that they are brighter. Would love to see a shot that indicates the shape of the UFO rather that guessing its shape by the positions of triangular light arrangement

6th

Hey, I've just been talking to Carl and himself and a couple of other guys will have a stand at the convention on the 11th so you can talk to them directly about it. People are pretty hyped about this and while its not an area I'm big into this footage could be pretty exciting.

joekelly123

Hmm, I have to agree that image looks terrible and not very convincing. If that indeed is the quality of any such video you have then I think it will be unable to provide conclusive proof. I may be wrong and hope I am.

I myself along with my a relation some years ago witnessed what I can only describe as a UFO outside Loughrea in Galway. I must have been about 16-17 at the time and It was a bright light in the sky that zig zagged in patterns that would be absouletly impossible for a commercial aircraft, not to metion completly pointless, the speed at which it moved was incredible.

The only way I can descibe it was if you consider the speed of a commercial airliner when you see one in the sky, try to imagine something travelling at 6-7 times that speed in triangular patterns and coming to dead stops then darting off to another point. It all seemed random but on my life and my familys life we both seen this and could only draw one conclusion.

Some people state that these occurrences can usually be put down to Natural phenomenon's (Sprites, Ball lightning, etc.) but this imo could not be the case for what we saw. It was a clear night with no hint of rain, thunder or lightning.

Happy to answer any questions

???

joekelly123 wrote: »

Natural phenomenon's (Sprites...

Ehm... What!?

Is it just me or is this whole sequence startlingly reminiscent of the big foot hoax a few weeks ago?

0utpost31

Can you guess which one is mspaint and which one is a "real" ufo?







This evidence is pathetic.

I see that this is a crop, can you post a bigger photo please?

joekelly123

Sprites google it
There are plenty of images too.
Here is some Wiki info:
"Sprites

Sprites are now well-documented electrical discharges that occur high above some types of thunderstorms. They appear as luminous reddish-orange or greenish-blue, plasma-like flashes, last longer than normal lower stratospheric discharges (typically around 17 milliseconds), and are triggered by the discharges of positive lightning between the thundercloud and the ground.[32] Sprites often occur in clusters of two or more, and typically span the distance from 50 miles (80 km) to 90 miles (145 km) above the earth, with what appear to be tendrils hanging below, and branches reaching above. A 2007 paper reports that the apparent tendrils and branches of sprites are actually formed by bright streamer heads of less than 140 m diameter moving up or down at 1 to 10 percent of the speed of light.[49] The abstract is publicly accessible.[50][51][48]
Sprites may be horizontally displaced by up to 30 miles (48 km) from the location of the underlying lightning strike, with a time delay following the lightning that is typically a few milliseconds, but on rare occasions may be up to 100 milliseconds. Sprites are sometimes, but not always, preceded by a sprite halo, a broad, pancake-like region of transient optical emission centred at an altitude of about 47 miles (76 km) above lightning.[47] Sprite halos are produced by weak ionization from transient electric fields of the same type that causes sprites, but which are insufficiently intense to exceed the threshold needed for sprites. Sprites were first photographed on July 6, 1989 by scientists from the University of Minnesota. Several years after their discovery they were named after the mischievous sprite (air spirit) Puck in Shakespeare's Midsummer Night's Dream.
Recent research carried out at the University of Houston in 2002 indicates that some normal (negative) lightning discharges produce a sprite halo, the precursor of a sprite, and that every lightning bolt between cloud and ground attempts to produce a sprite or a sprite halo.I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"]citation needed[/URL][/I Research in 2004 by scientists from Tohoku University found that very low frequency emissions occur at the same time as the sprite, indicating that a discharge within the cloud may generate the sprites."

Noopti

To be fair there are details in the photo that aren't paint like. You can see what could be reflections of the lights off a hull when you zoom in.

???

joekelly123 wrote: »

Sprites google it
There are plenty of images too.
Here is some Wiki info:
"Sprites

Sprites are now well-documented electrical discharges that occur high above some types of thunderstorms. They appear as luminous reddish-orange or greenish-blue, plasma-like flashes, last longer than normal lower stratospheric discharges (typically around 17 milliseconds), and are triggered by the discharges of positive lightning between the thundercloud and the ground.[32] Sprites often occur in clusters of two or more, and typically span the distance from 50 miles (80 km) to 90 miles (145 km) above the earth, with what appear to be tendrils hanging below, and branches reaching above. A 2007 paper reports that the apparent tendrils and branches of sprites are actually formed by bright streamer heads of less than 140 m diameter moving up or down at 1 to 10 percent of the speed of light.[49] The abstract is publicly accessible.[50][51][48]
Sprites may be horizontally displaced by up to 30 miles (48 km) from the location of the underlying lightning strike, with a time delay following the lightning that is typically a few milliseconds, but on rare occasions may be up to 100 milliseconds. Sprites are sometimes, but not always, preceded by a sprite halo, a broad, pancake-like region of transient optical emission centred at an altitude of about 47 miles (76 km) above lightning.[47] Sprite halos are produced by weak ionization from transient electric fields of the same type that causes sprites, but which are insufficiently intense to exceed the threshold needed for sprites. Sprites were first photographed on July 6, 1989 by scientists from the University of Minnesota. Several years after their discovery they were named after the mischievous sprite (air spirit) Puck in Shakespeare's Midsummer Night's Dream.
Recent research carried out at the University of Houston in 2002 indicates that some normal (negative) lightning discharges produce a sprite halo, the precursor of a sprite, and that every lightning bolt between cloud and ground attempts to produce a sprite or a sprite halo.I][URL="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Citation_needed"]citation needed[/URL][/I Research in 2004 by scientists from Tohoku University found that very low frequency emissions occur at the same time as the sprite, indicating that a discharge within the cloud may generate the sprites."

Phew... I thought it was a fairy/pixie reference!!!

Four of a kind

0utpost31 wrote: »

Can you guess which one is mspaint and which one is a "real" ufo?







This evidence is pathetic.

I see that this is a crop, can you post a bigger photo please?

I cropped it for the A4 prints of it I printed to be displayed at the conference. I also cleaned up the little specks around the 3 white lights. My job was to make it as clear as I could and nothing else.

I really wish I could post it up on youtube and it would shut up some of ye who think that I'm trying to fake something. Remember that my name has not and will not be associated with any of these images so I've nothing to gain from this.
I Just did what I had to do for it to be show both on dvd and on digital prints at the conference.

Noopti

Four of a kind wrote: »

I also cleaned up the little specks around the 3 white lights.

Why? That is not cleaning up the image, that is removing potential evidence of what it could be.

Four of a kind

Noopti wrote: »

Why? That is not cleaning up the image, that is removing potential evidence of what it could be.

Fair enough....im a noob when it comes to stuff like this so ye can just wait and see it when/if it's ever shown on rte.

localhothead

although I firmly believe in UFOS' the one you appear to have evidence of is actually pretty well known , and is generally considered to be a military secret craft used by UK and usa .


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_triangle_(UFO)#The_Belgian_Air_Force_Report

Four of a kind

localhothead wrote: »

although I firmly believe in UFOS' the one you appear to have evidence of is actually pretty well known , and is generally considered to be a military secret craft used by UK and usa .


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_triangle_(UFO)#The_Belgian_Air_Force_Report

just to clear things up.....I have no evidence....all i have is what was given to me by Carl Nally.

javaboy

Four of a kind wrote: »

The footage is very strange and def something that could not have been tampered with. It was indeed taken from a mobile phone by a detective, who immediately sent the video to Carl Nally.

While I'm not disputing the validity of the sighting, I would be very hesitant to describe any digital evidence as something that could not have been tampered with.

murrayp4

Can't wait to see this vid

Four of a kind

ok guys/girls....as I said I won't go into any more detail as its not my area of expertise....i belong in the poker board :pac:

anyways whenever I get the go ahead to upload it to youtube you'll be the first to know. I will post when in this thread.

egan007

for the skeptics here's the Un-cropped picture.

jon burrows

Can anyone see this pic, can you post it again??

Poltergoose

He added that he would not rule out speculation that increased UFO activity in the north Dublin and Meath areas was linked to the road construction works near Tara. "We cannot rule this out as a possibility. We are talking about a very ancient sacred place," he said.

So what he is saying is that they are probably more than likely "new age space travellers"

Slow Motion

6th wrote: »

Hey, I've just been talking to Carl and himself and a couple of other guys will have a stand at the convention on the 11th so you can talk to them directly about it. People are pretty hyped about this and while its not an area I'm big into this footage could be pretty exciting.

Not everybody will make the convention (though I completely understand and applaud you pimping it at any and all opportunity:D), and four of a kind says he is only the middleman for want of a better way of putting it, and while he is defending himself adequately, he has said this is not really his thing, therefore would you not get Carl himself to come on as a guest and create a discussion thread where the can answer some of the questions that four of a kind is constrained from answering? Just a thought!