is Galway the official third city of the republic of ireland?

futura123 · 28-09-2008 9:48pm #1

some clarification please

leninbenjamin · 28-09-2008 9:51pm

Officially yes. according to the most recent census Galway has a greater population living within it's city boundaries than Limerick. However Limerick has more people living within its greater urban area, so i guess we only have it on a technicality.

kraggy · 28-09-2008 9:51pm

If you're talking population then no. Limerick is bigger.

If you're talking coolness, we're first.

kraggy · 28-09-2008 9:52pm

leninbenjamin wrote: »

Officially yes. according to the most recent census Galway has a greater population living within it's city boundaries than Limerick. However Limerick has more people living within its greater urban area, so i guess we only have it on a technicality.

True. But Galway uses wider city boundaries than Limerick and that's the only reason we have a greater population in that sense.

leninbenjamin · 28-09-2008 9:54pm

kraggy wrote: »

True. But Galway uses wider city boundaries than Limerick and that's the only reason we have a greater population in that sense.

but officially we are the 3rd largest city in the country which is what the OP asked.

besides i said exactly what you said in the rest of my post. selective quoting ftw :rolleyes:

kraggy · 28-09-2008 10:01pm

leninbenjamin wrote: »

but officially we are the 3rd largest city in the country which is what the OP asked.

besides i said exactly what you said in the rest of my post. selective quoting ftw :rolleyes:

What's with the rolleyes?

Can't believe they brought them back. Stupid smiley.

And what I said is not what you said. My point was about the different boundaries so officially yes, Galway is the 3rd city but is not considered as such by the general population.

futura123 · 28-09-2008 10:03pm

I do know there is alot of dispute as to the third city title!!! similar to the manchester and birmingham situation in the UK. Manchester officially has the second city title despite bein smaller population wise. then again manchester like galway is much cooler

galwayrush · 28-09-2008 10:07pm

kraggy wrote: »

Galway is the 3rd city but is not considered as such by the general population.

I thought it was only Limerick people who thought so.:D

galwayrush · 28-09-2008 10:08pm

kraggy wrote: »

True. But Galway uses wider city boundaries than Limerick and that's the only reason we have a greater population in that sense.

We're gaining fast though, Limerick City and County grew by aprox 10,000 last census, Galway City and County grew by 30,000, most of the increase being in the City and immediate surrounding areas.

futura123 · 28-09-2008 10:11pm

galwayrush wrote: »

We're gaining fast though, Limerick City and County grew by aprox 10,000 last census, Galway City and County grew by 30,000, most of the increase being in the City and immediate surrounding areas.

i wonder why???:rolleyes:

brianthebard · 28-09-2008 10:12pm

kraggy wrote: »

And what I said is not what you said. My point was about the different boundaries so officially yes, Galway is the 3rd city but is not considered as such by the general population.

Did you survey them all?

futura123 · 28-09-2008 10:17pm

i dont think limerick idesreves to have the third city title!!!! the spate of crimes and violence there has seriously damaged its reputation. but then again galway has its fair share of roughies too but nowhere like limerick .

leninbenjamin · 28-09-2008 10:19pm

kraggy wrote: »

And what I said is not what you said. My point was about the different boundaries so officially yes, Galway is the 3rd city but is not considered as such by the general population.

which was just a different way of saying what I said; that Limerick's greater urban area is more populous than Galway, so we're only the 3rd due to a technicality i.e. the larger boundaries you refer to.

some people...

kraggy · 28-09-2008 10:20pm

brianthebard wrote: »

Did you survey them all?

I just have 6 people left to ask and then I'll be done.

Seriously though, when people list the cities of Ireland out they go "Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway".

That's the way we did it where I went to school anyway.

kraggy · 28-09-2008 10:24pm

leninbenjamin wrote: »

which was just a different way of saying what I said; that Limerick's greater urban area is more populous than Galway, so we're only the 3rd due to a technicality i.e. the larger boundaries you refer to.

some people...

Somebody must have had a fight with the girlfriend. Either that or you're pre-menstrual.

It's not what you said. You didn't mention anything about the boundaries being different.

So keep your rolleyes and "some people" comments to yourself like a good lad.

Nice talking to ya.

ErnieBert · 28-09-2008 11:07pm

Google has the answer
http://www.cso.ie/statistics/popofeachprovcountycity2006.htm

28-09-2008 11:16pm

ErnieBert wrote: »

Google has the answer
http://www.cso.ie/statistics/popofeachprovcountycity2006.htm

I was just looking for that. To save some clicks for the rest of ye:
Population in 2006:

Dublin City 506,211
Cork City 119,418
Galway City 72,414
Limerick City 52,539

nycman · 29-09-2008 9:56am

Galway-The Real "Real" Capital:D

tristanc · 29-09-2008 10:06am

I thought it was Boston.

mike65 · 29-09-2008 10:14am

Of course, the cso figures do not measure the thousands who live in Co Clare, when you cross the county line the city carries on, as it does going west and south into Limerick county.

Mike.

Mr Cork Man · 29-09-2008 11:10am

I think it suits other places to ignore their own problems and hype up limericks.Ive been living in galway for the past few months and for a small scale place to compared to cork and limerick there is an awful lot of burglaries and general anti social bhaviour.Indeed my neighbours had an attempted break in broad daylight.Having been to limerick its definately not as bad as people says and the only reason galway is irelands third city is because the suburbs of castletroy and dooradoyle are not included in limericks census figures.

Zzippy · 29-09-2008 4:30pm

leninbenjamin wrote: »

which was just a different way of saying what I said; that Limerick's greater urban area is more populous than Galway, so we're only the 3rd due to a technicality i.e. the larger boundaries you refer to.

some people...

kraggy wrote: »

Somebody must have had a fight with the girlfriend. Either that or you're pre-menstrual.

It's not what you said. You didn't mention anything about the boundaries being different.

So keep your rolleyes and "some people" comments to yourself like a good lad.

Nice talking to ya.

Miaow!

galwayrush · 29-09-2008 11:42pm

Limerick is suppost to have approx 10,000 Polish residents, that will severely put a dent on it's population if most of them leave,:p

emeraldstar · 30-09-2008 10:13am

kraggy wrote: »

I just have 6 people left to ask and then I'll be done.

Seriously though, when people list the cities of Ireland out they go "Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway".

I don't! You should have asked everyone again..

mike65 · 30-09-2008 10:24am

kraggy wrote: »

Seriously though, when people list the cities of Ireland out they go "Dublin, Cork, Limerick and Galway".

That's the way we did it where I went to school anyway.

This explains why Waterford never gets a bone from the government.

Mike

brianthebard · 30-09-2008 10:27am

We are all secretly hoping it will slip into the sea and become Ireland's atlantis.

cornbb · 30-09-2008 11:02am

The census says Galway is bigger, but Limerick definitely has more peeps. In Galway, places like Oranmore and Barna are included as part of the city whereas in Limerick massive suburbs like Castletroy and Raheen are excluded because the boundaries need to be redrawn. Limerick certainly looks and feels bigger too.

Amazotheamazing · 30-09-2008 11:54am

Limerick's real pop is closer to 100,000, Galways real pop is closer to 75,000, when you include the suburbs of both cities that aren't included.

However, let's move away from the small-minded fighting over relatively meaningless titles and on towards why two such large areas don't have proper roads or rail between them, or why the Government is doing very little to prepare either town for when their big US employers eventually leave. Someday, maybe even soon, Dell will leave Limerick and Boston or Medtronic will leave Galway, what is the plan B for when this happens?

30-09-2008 12:00pm

cornbb wrote: »

The census says Galway is bigger, but Limerick definitely has more peeps. In Galway, places like Oranmore and Barna are included as part of the city whereas in Limerick massive suburbs like Castletroy and Raheen are excluded because the boundaries need to be redrawn. Limerick certainly looks and feels bigger too.

Both Bearna and Oranmore are in the County Council area, not the city.

City boundary map This is slightly out of date as it doesn't have Parkmore and Doughiska shaded as developed but the boundaries haven't changed.

That is how Oranmore got ranked as one of the richest towns in Ireland per person a few years ago by the CSO rather than being subsumed into the city's numbers.

The city is actually spilling over its boundaries in some spots now: Parkmore and Briarhill for example.

30-09-2008 12:10pm

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

why two such large areas don't have proper roads or rail between them

Both well on their way, even if one duplicates the other.

Amazotheamazing wrote: »

why the Government is doing very little to prepare either town for when their big US employers eventually leave. Someday, maybe even soon, Dell will leave Limerick and Boston or Medtronic will leave Galway, what is the plan B for when this happens?

Big chunks of the country are in the same boat, not just out here. And why would it be up to the government to sort out? After Digital moved the manufacturing to Ayr (the last time house prices fell in Galway) a lot of the more skilled guys started their own hi-tech businesses.

futura123 · 30-09-2008 4:38pm

galway is the main city of the west so should be no problem in claiming the third city title. again it is similar to the manchester in the uk whereby

FredsWebHead · 01-10-2008 1:52pm

Wow didn't even know Galway had grown that much. It seems from the CSO stats that Galway has more population than Limerick as a whole and Galway city has more of a pop. than Limerick city. And even with city boundaries redrawn, I can't see Limerick city surpassing Galway city by 20,000 more people.
Nuts
Fred.

Baby4 · 01-10-2008 2:45pm

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po0k · 01-10-2008 3:35pm

Galway is a town with a large suburban spread.

Anything in Ireland is small-fry.

knightmare · 01-10-2008 6:59pm

po0k wrote: »

Galway is a town with a large suburban spread.

Anything in Ireland is small-fry.

Agreed...everywhere outside Dublin is small town stuff

galwayrush · 01-10-2008 7:00pm

knightmare wrote: »

Agreed...everywhere outside Dublin is small town stuff

Dublin is small stuff compared to a lot of places.:P

Amazotheamazing · 01-10-2008 7:14pm

FredsWebHead wrote: »

Wow didn't even know Galway had grown that much. It seems from the CSO stats that Galway has more population than Limerick as a whole and Galway city has more of a pop. than Limerick city. And even with city boundaries redrawn, I can't see Limerick city surpassing Galway city by 20,000 more people.
Nuts
Fred.

It wouldn't have to, since the population of the suburbs outside Limerick city boundary is approaching 35,000+. Neither Castletroy (where UL is) or Raheen (where Dell is) are officially in the city boundary. Some parts of Caherdavin have been included recently though.

It's a pointless debate though, everywhere outside Dublin is small.

01-10-2008 9:08pm

Baby4 wrote: »

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I've never been there => it doesn't exist.

Mrs OBumble · 01-10-2008 10:15pm

Baby4 wrote: »

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There are SIX cities in Ireland.

There are FIVE cities in the Republic of Ireland.

And that's if you combine the various cities inside Dublin into one. 2006 census figures (ROI) and 2005 mid-year estimates (UK) show:

Dublin City- 506,211
South Dublin - 246,935
Fingal - 239,992
Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown -194,038

Belfast 268,000

Cork City 119,418

Galway City 72,414

Limerick City 52,539

Waterford City 45,748

Mr Cork Man · 02-10-2008 11:44am

JustMary wrote: »

There are SIX cities in Ireland.

There are FIVE cities in the Republic of Ireland.

And that's if you combine the various cities inside Dublin into one. 2006 census figures (ROI) and 2005 mid-year estimates (UK) show:

Dublin City- 506,211
South Dublin - 246,935
Fingal - 239,992
Dun Laoghaire-Rathdown -194,038

Belfast 268,000

Cork City 119,418

Galway City 72,414

Limerick City 52,539

Waterford City 45,748

Your clutching at straws.There are areas in cork not included in those figures such as douglas because tthose suburbs are under the authority of cork county council.Corks real population is 190,000 people.Same with limerick raheen dooradoyle aor castletroy are not included in limericks census figures.Limericks proper population is 90,000 people.

kevmy · 02-10-2008 2:17pm

Fcuk that if Belfast and Waterford count as Irish cities then so does Derry. Population 83,652 for the city proper in the last UK census (2001)

Mr Cork Man · 02-10-2008 3:18pm

Corks proper population including douglas is 190,000.Limericks proper population including raheen dooradoyle and castletroy is 90,000.

coillcam · 02-10-2008 4:02pm

Galway is the no. 1 city in Ireland

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Mr Cork Man · 02-10-2008 5:50pm

coillcam wrote: »

Galway is the no. 1 city in Ireland

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Its the number 1 big town in ireland.

futura123 · 02-10-2008 6:35pm

Mr Cork Man wrote: »

Its the number 1 big town in ireland.

city

Mr Cork Man · 02-10-2008 7:54pm

futura123 wrote: »

city

I class galway as a town.

schween · 02-10-2008 8:53pm

Well if yer gonna bring Northern Ireland into it you might as well include Armagh and Newry...both are classed as cities! Anyways, of course the Limerick urban area is bigger than Galway. However, there are 230,000 people living in all of Co. Galway...a huge number of whom travel into and out of Galway daily.

Cole · 02-10-2008 9:21pm

po0k wrote: »

Galway is a town with a large suburban spread.

Mr Cork Man wrote: »

I class galway as a town.

Totally agree...I cannot bring myself to refer to Galway 'city' or talk about going into the 'city centre'.

bealbocht · 02-10-2008 9:26pm

looking at the Dublin stats, the numbers are kinda meaningless.. , and the argument is over boundary lines. To say Rathmines/Blackrock or Ballymun are not parts of Dublin city is daft.
A good part of Limerick city is technically in Clare..

I'd still have it as Dublin, Cork , Limerick, Galway.

and because stats, are always great for useless facts.... here is a list of counties that you could fit everone into Croake Park. Not sure where Laoighis is.

Carlow 50,349
Laoighis 67,059
Longford 34,391
Offaly 70,868
Westmeath 79,346
Leitrim 28,950
Roscommon 58,768
Sligo 60,894
Monaghan 55,997
Cavan 64,003

futura123 · 02-10-2008 10:21pm

Mr Cork Man wrote: »

I class galway as a town.

wrong,
small city but not a town

03-10-2008 12:11am

Cole wrote: »

Totally agree...I cannot bring myself to refer to Galway 'city' or talk about going into the 'city centre'.

Despite Galway having been a city for 524 years I still refer to its centre as town, but then I referred to the centre of London as town when I lived there.

It's all relative - compared to some of the places in the US that are called cities Galway is a metropolis, compared to a couple of nearby cities (London, Paris, even Manchester) Dublin is a provincial town.

Limerick has more of a city feel than Galway- I think it is because of the Victorian terraces and wide streets and in fairness if they included Castletroy and Dooradoyle it probably would be bigger but I think in the medium term Galway will grow bigger than Limerick.

is Galway the official third city of the republic of ireland?

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