Golf GT - Glanza for rich kids?

VH

all glanza drivers i've seen are young lads 18-25 years old

same for golf gt drivers - have never seen a family or a girl - always seems to be a young lad - no older than 25

can't help but think the GT is the Glanza for richer kids - the two cars are very similar except in price

thoughts?

alexmcred

My Golf Gt is our family car. Fairly broad strokes of the brush there OP.

seanybiker

The GT and the galanza are nothing like each other. The GT is by far a superior car. Dunno bout the rich thing to be honest, ya can pick up a GT cheap enough.

su_dios

And what about the gti then? Clio 197 etc?

You do realise that there are four variations of the GT sport now with only one engine putting out 170bhp. You will never be able to compare the GT to a Galanza without saying the same for the Gti. The Galanza oozes pure tack and thats why its so hated but also loved for being cheap and fast.

So next time you see someone young in a GT sport..you'll more than likely find its either the basic 80bhp model or the 140. So watch out for the alloys and twin exhaust before you realise its the 170. BTW you won't see too many GT's around as they had a very short lifespan before they branded them GT Sports. The 3 lower engine variations carry the 5 fat spoke 16" alloys.

Btw, how much does a Galanza cost? I would be surprised if its in the same category as the 170 GT at 31-35k?

VH

the most popular golf gt seem to be the 122bhp/140bhp 1.4 turbo - most popular glanza is 130bhp 1.3 turbo - there are other versions of both but those seem to be the most popular - in addition to similar engines both cars are fwd hatchbacks - so to say "nothing like each other" is not true - they are very like each other

but the point is - the age group from what i see seems to be the same - (insurance is cheap on both?) - so therefore the conclusion is golf gt if you have the money (or your parents) and glanza if you dont?

amexmcred wrote:

My Golf Gt is our family car. Fairly broad strokes of the brush there OP.

going on what i see - i'm sure there's the odd glanza family car too

alexmcred

Most of the GT sports I see are the 80bhp ones there seems to be very few 140's or 122's out there.

ciarsd

VH wrote: »

the most popular golf gt seem to be the 122bhp/140bhp 1.4 turbo - most popular glanza is 130bhp 1.3 turbo - there are other versions of both but those seem to be the most popular - in addition to similar engines both cars are fwd hatchbacks - so to say "nothing like each other" is not true - they are very like each other

So only because they're small cc turbo'd cars, your basing the opinion they're very like each other?
Right... :rolleyes:

Have you driven both - have you taken a look at something as basic as the suspension setup on a Glanza versus the Golf?
Put it to you this way, the Glanza's setup hasn't a patch on a Tesco shopping trolley.

Interior wise they are drastically different too.

VH wrote:

but the point is - the age group from what i see seems to be the same - (insurance is cheap on both?) - so therefore the conclusion is golf gt if you have the money (or your parents) and glanza if you dont?

going on what i see - i'm sure there's the odd glanza family car too

Insurance is not cheap on a GT (170 anyway).

If I was buying, I wouldn't dream of a Glanza over the Golf GT... if I didn't have the money for the Golf, I still wouldn't buy the Glanza to be honest.

su_dios

And what about all the other cars then? You've compared two FWD hatchback cars that output what would be considered as powerful but not that fast. (Wrong to say the average output for cars these days would be 110-150bhp?)

The Galanza is basically a feckin Toyota Starlet with some of the worst styling on the road these days and is majorly dated.

The Golf has been respected for what it is and has appealed to a very large group with all the different ranges available (not to everyones taste though). To be honest, I think you're talking out of your arse and I believe you're going to get flamed on this thread! You must remember though, that hatchbacks are normally associated with younger drivers or as a second family car. For the same price (33k) I could have bought a fairly powerful and nice saloon. But I have no need for a saloon right now, so whats wrong with me driving a nice decent hatchback?

Your posts are wreaking of jealousy with all the 'rich kids' talk. Go on carzone and you'll see they're not that badly priced, so why should we not be able to drive them?

su_dios

ciarsd wrote: »

Insurance is not cheap on a GT (170 anyway).

Shop around and you'll see differently

VH

calm down everyone

i can understand that golf gt owners dont like hearing glanza mentioned in the same thread but 2 fwd hatchback cars with small turbo charged engines are similar - but the thread is not about whether they are or not - its whether kids with lots of money get gt's - kids without lots of money get glanzas

su_dios - dont take it personally - yes the golf appeals to a wide audience - tdi appeals to farmers - just like the starlet appeals to old women - but this is about the gt and glanza and money

maidhc

VH wrote: »

all glanza drivers i've seen are young lads 18-25 years old

same for golf gt drivers - have never seen a family or a girl - always seems to be a young lad - no older than 25

You created a stir with that comment, but you have a point and I think very few posters actually read your post before jumping in.

The Golf has always been a "posh" car vis a vis the Corolla or Escort/Focus. They are now making a mildly quick version (or one that looks like is mildly quick). I can see why an 18yo would be pestering daddy for one.

VH

thank you maidhc

veetwin

VH wrote: »

all glanza drivers i've seen are young lads 18-25 years old

same for golf gt drivers - have never seen a family or a girl - always seems to be a young lad - no older than 25

can't help but think the GT is the Glanza for richer kids - the two cars are very similar except in price

thoughts?

OP I fail to see where you are going with this thread. I myself drive a GT Sport (122) but did not for a second consider a Glanza. This is not snobbery its just they are two rather different machines. I would suggest that most people in my age bracket (30-40) would have no interest in a Glanza. Neither would most in their early 20's have any interest in the Golf. They can't afford the insurance anyway. Several have been ordered and not taken by people in their 20's when they discovered the cost of insurance.

The point is that they are different cars aimed at different markets. One is a practical family car with a small bit of poke. The other is a souped up Starlet.

VH

there is at least one 18yo that posts on here that got a golf gt from his parents for (iirc) his 18th birthday - cant remember who - but around the same time one of my neighbours got a 1999 glanza from his parents for his 18th

tdc

VH wrote: »

there is at least one 18yo that posts on here that got a golf gt from his parents for (iirc) his 18th birthday - cant remember who - but around the same time one of my neighbours got a 1999 glanza from his parents for his 18th

but thats just one gt owner, the majority of people i see driving golf gt's are middle aged women. seen a couple of young enough lads in gt's but i see young fellas driving glanzas with whopper exhausts every day.

tdc

how much are golf gt's going for these days? not brand new, but a good 1-2 year old example?

L-M

I've seen at least four gt's in the last few days, all with L plates and none older than 21.

Mr. Presentable

Glanza - Golf GT for poor kids?

More likely, no? :pac:

ciarsd

su_dios wrote: »

Shop around and you'll see differently

He did, and got it down to the lowest possible - still a premium over his previous cars policies.

Holsten

Glanza - 90% chance of a scummer driving it.

Golf GT - 10% chance of a scummer driving it.

groupb

If it was a second hand golf there would be a fair chance of a "scummer" driving it.A mk3 golf with oversized wheels seems to be a direct descendant of the glanza for the all show and no go brigade.

su_dios

Limerick-man wrote: »

I've seen at least four gt's in the last few days, all with L plates and none older than 21.

Again, probably the 80bhp version! The GT sport is now just a trim which has taken over the sportline trim. They do however have 4 different engine variations and are available in diesel or petrol.

The 80bhp GT sport may only be about 2k more than a standard 1.4 golf!

The 170 GT goes for around 26-30k second hand at the moment. I'm 22 and drive a 170 GT and paid for every cent of it myself. Can we stop the snobbery in this thread? Who gives a f*ck how the cars were bought or who bought them!?

Btw I see more Chinese/Japanese driving Galanzas than I do scummers. They usually just buy a souped up starlet instead.

L-M

su_dios wrote: »

Again, probably the 80bhp version! The GT sport is now just a trim which has taken over the sportline trim. They do however have 4 different engine variations and are available in diesel or petrol.

The 80bhp GT sport may only be about 2k more than a standard 1.4 golf!

I think it's about 800 over the price of a comforline, but still, a GT sport is a GT sport. It's like the glanza's turbo's and non turbo's. They are still glanza's.

Volvoboy

What aload of complete bollix, regardless of what you have in the bank and drive a car is a persons own personal choice.


Hey i drive a 12 year old toyota taxi, op please put me in a age, gender, social groop.


:rolleyes:

L-M

Volvoboy wrote: »

Hey i drive a 12 year old toyota taxi, op please put me in a age, gender, social groop.
:rolleyes:

Lol! Can't wait to see the comments back on this haha

NiSmO

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L-M

NiSmO wrote: »

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I doubt there were many glanza's sold in ireland in the first few years of production either. Starlets alright (ie. the 80bhp), but most of the turbo's (ie. 170's) were imported.

Lol, it all adds up nicely

NiSmO

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L-M

NiSmO wrote: »

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I'm sure if we ask the mods nicely, they'll also us dig up this thread in 8 years time.

Just on the off side i have nothing against Gt's, think they're a really nice car, but i think the OP has a point.

Mr. Presentable

Volvoboy wrote: »

Hey i drive a 12 year old toyota taxi, op please put me in a age, gender, social groop.


:rolleyes:

Hmmm. Male, 42, balding, borderline obese. Likes to whistle at anything with a skirt. Close?

L-M

nipplenuts wrote: »

Hmmm. Male, 42, balding, borderline obese. Likes to whistle at anything with a skirt. Close?

Hahaha!!

Mr. Presentable

Limerick-man wrote: »

I'm sure if we ask the mods nicely, they'll also us dig up this thread in 8 years time.

Just on the off side i have nothing against Gt's, think they're a really nice car, but i think the OP has a point.

If he does it's on the top of his head

No offense intended OP, just having a gentle poke

Volvoboy

nipplenuts wrote: »

Hmmm. Male, 42, balding, borderline obese. Likes to whistle at anything with a skirt. Close?

Nope, try again caller.

Edit; ya got the 1st one right

Victor_M

I can see where the OP is coming from. Don't mean to offend anyone (Nismo) but for example Castleknock is full of 18 -25 year olds tearing around in the 80 BHP GT's. The cars are regularly full to the brim with fella's cruising/Posing up and down the main street.

I've thought the exact same thing myself about the GT, never noticed it before with Golf's until the GT model appeared, not comparing the cars at all (GT's vs Glanza's) just the attitude on the drivers behind the wheel, thinking they are the coolest things on the road (obviously there are loads of them as family cars too, just as there are loads of Starlets as family cars)

So I would agree with the OP.

Mr. Presentable

Volvoboy wrote: »

Nope, try again caller.

OK. Male 37, body like Adonis, the wit of Wilde, firm proud buttocks. Very respectful of the opposite sex. Hates doughnuts. Borrowed the car from his aunty Peg. Now?

Volvoboy

nipplenuts wrote: »

37?

No

nipplenuts wrote: »

body like Adonis, the wit of Wilde

-ish, Yes!

nipplenuts wrote: »

firm proud buttocks?

No.

nipplenuts wrote: »

Hates doughnuts?

GTFO!

nipplenuts wrote: »

Borrowed the car from his aunty Peg. Now?

No.

nipplenuts wrote: »

Very respectful of the opposite sex?

As long as she doesnt get sick on me good velour

copacetic

VH wrote: »

all glanza drivers i've seen are young lads 18-25 years old

same for golf gt drivers - have never seen a family or a girl - always seems to be a young lad - no older than 25

can't help but think the GT is the Glanza for richer kids - the two cars are very similar except in price

thoughts?

rubbish, I've mostly seen familys or women driving golf GTs. whole thread is based on a false assumption.

lightening

Some peoples noses right out of joint here! The horror of it all...

hilarious.

TomMc

I've only seen thirty somethings & middle aged people driving the GT's. The R32 is for drivers, the GTI tends to be a junior status symbol for aspirational yuppies & IT types. The mainstream Golf's are more a womans car, for those who have little or no interest in cars or driving, but want something that offers a kind of middle of the road respectability. Part of the appeal of these Golf's is down to a perception that they are a step up the social ladder over a Ford, Opel or the Japs. Better residuals, dealer hype and the myth of great reliability (based on the old Beetle) tend to compound this more upmarket image. Most VW's are now for badgeheads otherwise they would buy a Skoda or Seat, or if funds allow migrate to Audi. Despite the Focus been a much better car it lacks the same appeal as the Golf mainly due to common snobbery (and Ford's blue-collar image from its past), just like the superior Mondeo does over the Passat.

The Glanza is largely for boy-racers & chavs where as Golf GT's for sedate if somewhat unimaginative older folk. And possible a few young ones dreaming of it having the image of bigger brother, a pretend GTI. Or as a more practical everyday alternative to a Mini for those in certain parts of Dublin and so with bourgeois pretentions.

It is a bit like the '80's analogy - Oasis fans would drive an XR3i & Blur's lot Golf GTI's.

lightening

TomMc wrote: »

the GTI tends to be a junior status symbol for aspirational yuppies & IT types....... where as Golf GT's for sedate if somewhat unimaginative older folk. And possible a few young ones dreaming of it having the image of bigger brother, a pretend GTI. Or as a more practical everyday alternative to a Mini for those in certain parts of Dublin and so with bourgeois pretentions.

This gets better!!!! :pac: Brilliant TomMc... Brilliant, half the nation mortally offended.

FX Meister

seanybiker wrote: »

The GT is by far a superior car.

No it's not.

Dunno bout the rich thing to be honest, ya can pick up a GT cheap enough.

No you can't.

copacetic

FX Meister wrote: »

No you can't.

yes you can, easily get one for around 20k or less.
hardly 'rich kids' kind of money

http://www.volkswagen.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1209181

Mr. Presentable

lightening wrote: »

This gets better!!!! :pac: Brilliant TomMc... Brilliant, half the nation mortally offended.

and the other half laughing their asses off!

Mr. Presentable

copacetic wrote: »

yes you can, easily get one for around 20k or less.
hardly 'rich kids' kind of money

http://www.volkswagen.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=car&carID=1209181

You win. €22,950.00 for an 80bhp. Hardly rich kids money - more like wtf money :eek:

lightening

TomMc wrote: »

Part of the appeal of these Golf's is down to a perception that they are a step up the social ladder over a Ford, Opel or the Japs...... And possible a few young ones dreaming of it having the image of bigger brother, a pretend GTI...... bourgeois pretentions.

:o:o:D

Notorious

veetwin wrote: »

Neither would most in their early 20's have any interest in the Golf. They can't afford the insurance anyway. Several have been ordered and not taken by people in their 20's when they discovered the cost of insurance.

When you say most in their early 20's would have no interest in a golf, do you mean that they couldn't afford it? Because I for one am in my early 20s, and while I definitely can't afford a Mk5 Golf, I'd be a million times more interested in one than a Glanza. Sure the Glanza is just a tacky Toyota Starlet!
I'd start saving the pennies for a new Golf before I'd even consider buying a Glanza!

As another point, I work on/off with a car rental company. We have quite a few Golfs, some of the GT Sport too. But these are very popular with old and young customers. Quite a few of them are held aside just to be rented to companies who have car rental accounts with us.
So, all in all I'd put the Golf down as a car that'd appeal too all across the age spectrum.

TomMc wrote:

just like the superior Mondeo does over the Passat.

The Passat pi**es all over the Mondeo. Then downs a load more booze and pi**es all over it again!

VH

have to admit i didnt know there was an 80bhp GT - wasnt the pervious model 1.4 around 75bhp - so there's nothing really "GT" about the 80bhp if you know what i mean? bit like the regular Starlet - except toyota didn't call them Glanzas

it also appears to me that 18-25 yo GT owners on this thread are the ones most irrated by the suggestion that the GT is the rich kids Glanza - 80bhp or 170bhp most kids don't have €23+ grand to spend on a car

chill out guys - i never said there was anything wrong with being rich kids!

Notorious wrote:

The Passat pi**es all over the Mondeo. Then downs a load more booze and pi**es all over it again!

not a ford fan myself but conventional wisdom says its the other way around - and pretty much world+dog agrees - but that's neither here nor there and off topic

NiSmO

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VH

what's the quick guide to telling teh 80/122/140/170 apart?

NiSmO

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bladebrew

HOLY CRAP:eek:,was going to get a glanza for my next car,not anymore!,is a fair point from vh though considering you could get a glanza for 4-5k or a golf starting at 10-12k! rich kids would choose the golf