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Restoring An Old Classic

  • 26-09-2008 7:09am
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    Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭


    I picked up this old Aria Pro II recently. It's in fairly poor shape, even for a 25 year old bass, but these basses are genuinely superb and criminally underrated. It's well worth fixing up. I'll be doing a fair amount of work on this, including fretting and electronics, I thought it would be fun to document it here and ye can see what's involved for those of you reluctant to gut your guitars and set them up again. With a bit of effort, it doesn't cost much to bring an old classic back into its prime.

    aria1.jpg


    5 piece maple and walnut neck through with ash wings. It's a serious instrument, made when Japanese instruments were really kicking the hole off their established American counterparts. Some would say they still are ;) This is among the first great original designs to come out of Japan, it owes as much to Alembic as it does to Fender, it has it's own character, certainly not a copy.

    aria6.jpg


    Thankfully, the truss rod nut is in good shape and works, the neck is straight and true. There is a reason to continue.

    aria8.jpg


    The original tuners have been swapped out for... wait for it... Dixon brand tuners. Jaysus. Where is the love? This will not do.

    aria5.jpg


    The gloss on the neck has seen better days too. I think I'll strip the back of the neck altogether and oil it instead of this thick plastic coat.

    aria4.jpg


    This bass has two stacked vol-tone controls, one for each pickup, each humbucker pickup has a serial-parallel switch and there's a three way pickup selector switch, it's very felxible for a passive bass. Some tool has been dicking about with the electronics though, there's some dreadful soldering in here. It's a bit of a mess. That's ok though, I suspected it'd be worse and I'm changing this anyway. I'm going to replace the three way switch with a blend pot and swap the second vol-tone stack for a 2 band pre-amp wth bass and treble controls. The other vol-tone will now be a master volume and passive tone.

    aria7.jpg


    Eugh. Is this 25 years worth of finger gick?

    aria2.jpg


    First things first, let's clean that crap off the fretboard. There's a lovely slab of rosewood here, waiting to shine again. You might be able to see the fret condition there. Nothing majorly wrong, just some ruts and a sub-standard levelling job done at some point in the past. I'm going to level and dress the frets.

    aria3.jpg


    To be continued...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭DeadSkin


    Good call on an oil finish on the back of the neck, would look sweet. How about the body?
    You gonna do the fret level yourself Doc?
    Nice project, definitely keep us posted ;)
    Gonna take some time and a whole lotta patience I'd say, but good luck dude :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭Doctor J


    Yeah, I'll do the frets myself, I'll take pics of the procedure. I think I'll leave the body as is, it's not chipped anywhere you'd notice while playing and I'll probably add more chips to it over the years anyway. Besides, some folks pay good money to have some one bash up their instrument, this was done for free!!! :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭fish-head


    Looking forward to seeing this progress. Looks a hum dinger!

    The fretboard has eyes!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 620 ✭✭✭yevveh


    Nice. Looking forward to seeing her reborn :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    Its a beautiful bass, cant wait to see it looking like it deserves too. :)
    How much did you pick it up for?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭DeadSkin


    CianRyan wrote: »
    How much did you pick it up for?

    ................yeah and where?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭Johnny Storm


    You should charge admission for this one, Doc ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭Doctor J


    Cheers guys, more on the cost later, let's just say it hasn't been finalised yet, it's ongoing at this moment in time... long story for another day :p

    I've got an Aguilar OBP-1 preamp on the way, should get a fair amount of work done over the weekend, the fretting at least.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    Nice to see you're fixing it up Doc! ;)

    Did you get the pickup sorted? :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭Doctor J


    That's part 2 man, don't ruin it :p


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    :o Oops!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 513 ✭✭✭boycey


    Cool stuff Doc. You'll probably have the Aria sounding and playing better than its ever been. Im still amazed at the set up you achieved on your grey Bacchus (considering its a Floyd Rose type, strung with 13's and tuned to B!!- I didnt even know people tuned guitars that low!!) .

    Did you ever consider doing set-ups as a sideline? Ya definitely have the skills dude.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭Doctor J


    Yeah I've thought about it boycey, but I firmly believe it's as important to know how to set up your own guitar as it is to know how to tune it. There's nothing complicated about setting up, once you know how it all works and what you're aiming for. Granted, some of the stuff I'll go through here is beyond a mere setup but I'll go through setup steps at the end. It kills me to see people paying money for something they could very easily do themselves.


    Anyway... Part 2!

    Back in its rightful state, so long Dixon tuners.

    aria17.jpg


    I spent most of this evening sanding off the thick poly coat from the back of the neck. It had a couple of bumps and dimples in spots where you'd feel it while playing so off it comes. I haven't oiled it yet, which is why it looks so pale. First I sanded to remove the poly and then used a medium metal wool to smooth it all out. Tomorrow I'll go over the back of the neck again with a fine metal wool.

    aria9.jpg


    After I removed the poly which was also covered the sides of the fretboard, I did a bit of side-scalloping, basically taking the hard edge off the sides of the fretboard, making more of a gracious curve instead of a sharp angle. It's a subtle thing but makes a huge difference to how the neck feels in your hand. You can probably see some of the filing between the frets at either edge of the fretboard. After I level the frets I'll sand the bejesus out of it (albeit very gently) to make it feel like a neck that's beautifully broken in, like it has been played for 50 years. As I was about to start levelling the frets, I covered the top of each fret with a black marker. Already you can see where there are some grooves in the frets where the D and G strings have worn into them. This is pretty much the way it is all over the neck, under every string.

    aria10.jpg


    The point of using the marker is as you level the fret, the marker will disappear and the metal of the fret will be revealed. Where you still see marker you know you have to level a bit more, you know it's not level at that point. Ideally you want to take as little as possible off the top but that depends on the condition of the frets. If you look at the 9th and 10th frets under the G side of the fretboard, you'll see what I mean. This procedure is the sort of thing that can really **** up a guitar, so you have to go slowly, go gently, do a few passes instead of blitzing it all in one go. I'm using a block of wood with some fine sandpaper to file the tops of the frets. You can use metal files and other griding techniques, but I like doing it this way and it has yielded the best results for me.

    aria11.jpg


    With the levelling done I'm left with a flat top on every fret. This isn't great for intonation so now I have to file a dome into the top of each fret, a procedure called crowning. The likes of Stewmac have a selection of crowning files designed specifically for this purpose. Again, I've put black marker on the top of each fret to help me do this right.

    aria12.jpg


    The idea is you file away but leave a thin line of black marker on the top centre of the fret. This means you don't interfere with the leveling job you've just done and you take away the thick flat top on each fret, leaving it rounded and much more pitch accurate when you fret a string, as the contact point of each fret is exactly where it should be in the middle of the fret and not mooching closer to the bridge as would be the case when the top has flattened. In the pic I've done the first five frets, you can see the difference in how much of the fret will make contact with the string (ie, the black bit) between the 5th and 6th frets.

    aria13.jpg


    And again, the third fret shows up well in this pic. You can see the metal filings which have been removed.

    aria14.jpg



    Once the crowning was done, I went over each fret with a medium metal wool to smooth it all out. I also smoothed out the sides of the fretboard at this point. I'll do this again tomorrow with a fine metal wool to make it smoother again.

    aria15.jpg


    Now to oil the fretboard and let it soak in for the night. It really shows the sweet wood which was hidden under all that gick. The frets are looking good, I'm confident this will play well when all this is done. I'll need to lower the nut to make sure it sets up well, but that will wait until closer to completion when I string it up.

    aria16.jpg


    The Aguilar preamp arrived today, plus the good folks at stewmac delivered the blend pot, so the electrics will be under way soon, though I'm still waiting for a stacked pot from EMG to control the preamp, the 500k ones on the bass won't do as an active preamp control. I'm already thinking about just how to wire all the controls, it's gonna be a bastard tbh :D

    Plus, there's a pickup situation to be resolved...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,992 ✭✭✭Johnny Storm


    Cool! ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,658 ✭✭✭Patricide


    Savage thread doc, where did you stumble upon the aria?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    Patricide wrote: »
    Savage thread doc, where did you stumble upon the aria?

    It was on adverts. :)




    I've got two Aria SB's, one of them is similar to this. Except it has all gold hardware, two volumes, a tone and the switches instead of the stacked volume and tone arrangement. It's also got black stained wings instead of red. :pac:

    eliteoptimagold.jpg

    It's in almost new condition and has the original case & documentation too. :cool:

    I'm a bit of an Aria fanatic... was about to grab that one Doc got but had second thoughts. I've also got a 2007 Custom Shop "Cliff Burton" SB (un-official signature bass). ;)

    I'm happy to see that Doc is fixing this one up and giving it some new life. :)
    The SB's are truly fantastic instruments, they have their own distinct sound and also balance perfectly on a strap. The downside is that they weigh a ton! :eek:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,658 ✭✭✭Patricide


    Yea, a person i know has an aria guitar, all the knobs have been disconnected and the pickups are in a state of rust but i was thinking of getting it off him and doing it up, im sure hed sell it for a score.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,526 ✭✭✭brendansmith


    Patricide wrote: »
    im sure hed sell it for a score.

    What? You will get off with your friend if he gives you this bass?

    Just throw him 20 euros or something man!:D:D:pac::D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭Darkstrike


    What? You will get off with your friend if he gives you this bass?

    Just throw him 20 euros or something man!:D:D:pac::D

    Mabye both the score and the guitar are upsides to him....:eek:




    Sweet bass Doc.:)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,528 ✭✭✭OK-Cancel-Apply


    Great thread. Looking forward to more updates. :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,658 ✭✭✭Patricide


    As in a score, as in 20 notes haha. Its not this bass but one of there guitars, it always played ok considering the condition it was in, frets and neck were in good condition. Think i might give him a buzz the weekend have another look at it.


  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Mod ✭✭✭✭Yakult


    Very nice bass doc. We need moaar pictures of this :D
    Patricide wrote: »
    As in a score, as in 20 notes haha. Its not this bass but one of there guitars, it always played ok considering the condition it was in, frets and neck were in good condition. Think i might give him a buzz the weekend have another look at it.

    Make sure you can date it to older than 1988. Because I believe they stopped making them in Japan around then afai.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    R_H_C_P wrote: »
    Very nice bass doc. We need moaar pictures of this :D



    Make sure you can date it to older than 1988. Because I believe they stopped making them in Japan around then afai.

    It was '88 or '89.

    After the Matsumoku factory finished producing instruments for Aria in '87. The new models were announced beginning '88/'89 and these were made in Korea (with some exceptions).

    Doc's bass was made by Matsumoku in Japan in 1983.

    My Aria is an SB Elite II which is Post-Matsumoku era (non-recessed Jack and no serial number), it was discontinued in '88. From speaking to other Aria owners I've heard that they outsourced to another Japanese company while the transition to Korea was happening. I believe that the bass may have been made by one of these companies in Japan.

    The case with my bass is Japanese and the documentation is all in Japanese too. The pots are regular sized rather than mini like on the Korean ones and it retains the original pickups and bridge. Later models made in Korea used P & J pickups, regular Soapbars and generic bridges.

    Unfortunately though, Aria's history is very sketchy between '87 and the late 90's as there was a fire in the Japanese factory in the mid 90's which resulted in their records for earlier years being destroyed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭Doctor J


    Time to have a look at the nut and the bridge. Both show signs of wear and need a bit of TLC. The bridge saddles on these follow the template of the Badass bridge and, like a Badass bridge, really need to have a groove filed into them for the strings to sit properly and not move about. Without it, the strings will settle in different places every time you restring and sometimes can even move on the saddle while you play. An Aria I had back in the late 80's had this bridge so I've experienced this myself. If you look at the G string saddle you'll see where the contact point is in rag order with a couple of separate ruts where strings have worn in different places. This will need to be taken care of.

    aria19.jpg


    That's better, every string will now have it's place, no lateral movement and a clean contact with the saddle. I cleaned the nut and also gently filed any damage to the grooves, it's as good as new. I've filed clean contact points into the nut similar to the bridge so there won't be any stupid problems when I string it up. In typical early 80's styleeee it's brass and, as a result, picks up all kinds of **** and is easily damaged if not looked after. I will end up filing some of the bottom off this when I set up the bass, I like a low nut, so the action is like having a zero fret. It's amazing the difference in colour, once you remove 25 years worth of gick.

    aria20.jpg


    Since I'm adding active electronics to this bass I'll make sure it's shielded fully too.

    aria21.jpg


    I have most of the wiring done, pics will follow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 218 ✭✭jarain


    That is some quality work man. The feeling of satisfaction when you eventually rock with that guitar will be great!!:D You should really consider doing a bit of work professionally. I've seen so called professionals do far shoddier work and charge a bomb for it.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,999 ✭✭✭68 lost souls


    Nice work Doc. Looks like shes going to be sweet. Appreciate the photo diary. It really does teach some important techniques.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,044 ✭✭✭Gaspode


    Good stuff doc. What did you use for the shielding?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,157 ✭✭✭✭Alanstrainor


    Looks great DoctorJ really great work being put into that beast!. Maybe i should actually finish modding my damned telecaster. Wiring is a biatch:o!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,658 ✭✭✭Patricide


    Got modds going on my pacifica for the last ages, Got the plan in my head and the time. Its just the cash thats holding me back :(.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭Darkstrike


    Lookin' fantastic man!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,721 ✭✭✭✭CianRyan


    I've an old jap strat that i really want to make live again, but i'm gonna Pick up something real cheap to learn on first.

    Thanks for the insparation doc, really great work on that bass.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭Doctor J


    Cheers guys. I finished most of the wiring last night (only one pickup in it though) and it's all working as planned. Even with one pickup, the amount of different tones in there is amazing. The pre-amp is sweet, it adds a huge amount of low end (if required - I went for the 18V setup heh heh heh) but it doesn't get muddy. With the passive tone as well as the active treble boost I can add lots of zing to the top end but keep it from getting harsh on the ears. Lovely. I strung it up too, it's playing very well and I've yet to set it up in any real sense. It's nice to see it all falling into place as planned.
    deswalsh wrote: »
    Good stuff doc. What did you use for the shielding?

    http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics,_pickups/Supplies:_Shielding.html

    The good folks at stewmac make all this kind of stuff easy to do, it's a great, great site.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭Doctor J


    Electrickery time. The key to getting this right is preparation, know exactly where every wire is going before you warm up the soldering iron. I did a big and messy schematic which I forgot to photograph, spent a while on it just so I knew where I was going to route everything. I find it helpful to simplify the signal path in my head and then work out which wire is attached to which lug. Essentially, the pickups go to the switches, the output of the switches goes to the blend pot, the blend pot goes to the volume, to the tone then outputted to the EQ which sends out to the stacked bass and treble boost and back to the EQ, the EQ then goes to the jack. Easy peasy :pac: There's also a lug on the jack which goes to the batteries which goes into the EQ. Then earth everything :D

    If you're gonna solder anything, take it all out of the cavity to make it easy on yourself. I like to make a cardboard template of where the pots go and work from there. I've not finished, I'm still waiting for the second pickup to arrive, so I haven't cleaned it up yet, but essentially it looks like this.

    aria22.jpg


    Which looks like this when you install it. When the second pickup is wired in I'll tidy it all up. I'm still waiting on a battery clip too. I chose to put the EQ in the middle and, as a result, there are wires going off in all directions the way the pots are laid out. I've got some velco on the EQ module to keep it in place. The batteries will go in the space above the volume/tone control.

    aria23.jpg


    It looks a lot better from this side and, most impotantly, it all works as I'd planned. Which is nice.

    aria24.jpg


    I'll start on the set up next while the pickup situation resolves itself. For those who haven't set up a guitar or bass I'll cover what I aim for and how to get there. I'll also be filing the nut a bit, the action is set on both ends of the string, which some people overlook ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭Darkstrike


    Doctor J wrote: »
    I'll also be filing the nut a bit, the action is set on both ends of the string, which some people overlook ;)
    I'm actually suprised how rarley this comes up, espically as most basse come with the nut set too high.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,658 ✭✭✭Patricide


    Deffinatly agree on this here, Thats the one thing i loved about my warwick was the adjust a nut. Unfortunatly for warwick, the neck and its physical weight, outweighed it!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭Doctor J


    I've also been building this while not working on the Aria :o

    jjazz.jpg


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    Noice! I love Jazz basses without pickguards, so cool! :cool:
    What pickups are those?



    BTW, Get back to work on the Aria! :mad: :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭Doctor J


    :D

    Just waiting for Lance Armstrong to sort me out with a pickup ;)

    They be DiMarzio Ultra J's, I'm installing series/parallel switches for them in a vol-blend-tone setup. Once piece ash body which I painted over the weekend, mighty mite neck... it's coming together nicely. I must find the (very) old thread on it and bump the **** out of it :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    Doctor J wrote: »
    :D

    Just waiting for Lance Armstrong to sort me out with a pickup ;)

    They be DiMarzio Ultra J's, I'm installing series/parallel switches for them in a vol-blend-tone setup. Once piece ash body which I painted over the weekend, mighty mite neck... it's coming together nicely. I must find the (very) old thread on it and bump the **** out of it :p

    Jaysus.... We have some very similar basses now... :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭Doctor J


    Not at all. This is the most deliciously contoured Jazz ever, it's comfy with a capital kuh! Plus, it's practically vintage, see?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054862392

    Must dig up them pics :p


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  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 23,363 Mod ✭✭✭✭feylya


    Ah, the Epoxy thread. I'd forgotten about that one :D

    Looks savage Doc.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    Doctor J wrote: »
    Not at all. This is the most deliciously contoured Jazz ever, it's comfy with a capital kuh! Plus, it's practically vintage, see?

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054862392

    Must dig up them pics :p

    Have you got any pics of the contours? The links in the thread are dead.
    Who made the body btw?? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭Doctor J


    No idea. Got it off ebay for about 80 dollars. Unfinished, one piece ash body with 70's pickup spacing. This whole thing will work out less than 500 quid all in... which is nice :D
    Dord wrote: »
    Have you got any pics of the contours?
    I'll take some proper pics when I'm finished. Although you can see in the pic there there's no obvious line for a forearm contour, the whole thing just slopes back really gradually. The back is the same, sits on my fat belly just right :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,817 ✭✭✭✭Dord


    Doctor J wrote: »
    No idea. Got it off ebay for about 80 dollars. Unfinished, one piece ash body with 70's pickup spacing. This whole thing will work out less than 500 quid all in... which is nice :D

    I'll take some proper pics when I'm finished. Although you can see in the pic there there's no obvious line for a forearm contour, the whole thing just slopes back really gradually. The back is the same, sits on my fat belly just right :p

    Nice! :cool:

    Although I like the contours on the Jazz body as normal. The body on mine is build to 60's specs. :)

    Are the pickups being made by Kent or Aaron?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭Doctor J


    Meh, a 50 year old design can always be tweaked to include the modern fads of ergonomics and middle age spread :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 476 ✭✭Darkstrike


    Man' another awesome bass your workin' on!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,906 ✭✭✭DeadSkin


    Jays Doc, where do ya get the time?
    All comin' along nicely too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,433 ✭✭✭Quattroste


    DeadSkin wrote: »
    Jays Doc, where do ya get the time?
    All comin' along nicely too.

    He's a bum. Nothing better to be doing. :pac: GO GET A JOB YA LAYABOUT!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭Doctor J


    We got rid of the TV, now I find myself actually doing things instead of just thinking about doing things. Remarkable!!! :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 11,848 ✭✭✭✭Doctor J


    The Armstrong pickup arrived this evening. Looks the part. We now enter end game! :D


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