Institute Notes

superfootyfan

Hi guys doing the leaving this year and would really appreciate it if anyone had institute notes lying around that they wouldn't mind giving to me, i'd be so so grateful the subjects im particularly interested in are irish, english, maths and any of the science subjects

thanks in advance

Fad

superfootyfan wrote: »

Hi guys doing the leaving this year and would really appreciate it if anyone had institute notes lying around that they wouldn't mind giving to me, i'd be so so grateful the subjects im particularly interested in are irish, english, maths and any of the science subjects

thanks in advance

I have a set of Physics ones, (I am however doing the LC this year so I need them) and theyre good, but theyre not THAT good. Just get a revision book.

PurpleFistMixer

I was given some notes from one of those "revision days", and tbh they didn't say anything that wasn't already in my book. Making your own notes is much more beneficial. Though maybe these "Institute Notes" you seek are magical or something, and have secrets not revealed to the mortals.

Fad

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

I was given some notes from one of those "revision days", and tbh they didn't say anything that wasn't already in my book. Making your own notes is much more beneficial. Though maybe these "Institute Notes" you seek are magical or something, and have secrets not revealed to the mortals.

In fact theres stuff left out of them, like The Electron etc, Particle Physics, and quite a bit of Mechanics is left out, which i didnt really appreciate seeing as i missed all of Mechanics as i joined late.

PurpleFistMixer

Well, these weren't Institute ones afaik, just some random revision day. (I didn't actually go to it, my teacher just produced them one day.) They were quite brief though alright, just definitions and experiments and things. Needless waste of paper and ink, IMO.

K4t

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

Well, these weren't Institute ones afaik, just some random revision day. (I didn't actually go to it, my teacher just produced them one day.) They were quite brief though alright, just definitions and experiments and things. Needless waste of paper and ink, IMO.

Just like the new 'revised' editions of every school book.

They're reprinting the same sh*te every year and putting a different cover on the front, ripping us off and wasting needless paper. Don't blame the Institute for helping with a few notes. Blame the book company pricks.

PurpleFistMixer

Well, the institute are to blame just as much as the book companies. (The fact that I was not even referring to the institute when I was talking about those notes is besides the point.)

K4t

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

Well, the institute are to blame just as much as the book companies. (The fact that I was not even referring to the institute when I was talking about those notes is besides the point.)

Pardon? Families just getting by financially don't 'have' to go to Institute grinds and take their notes. The book companies are wasting paper and ink, all in the name of maximising profit and ripping off the average Irish family.

When is Bat going to tackle this problem, instead of talking about f**king university fees. :rolleyes:

PurpleFistMixer

I meant because they're publishing books of notes (or however they do it) which contain exactly the same stuff, or less, that can be found in your normal textbooks. Therefore, they are contributing to the "wasting paper and ink" problem just as much as the textbook companies.

As far as contributing to the "caring more about profit than the general wellbeing of people" problem goes, well, they are a private fee-paying school, operating for profit, so I'll leave that up to you to decide.

I do agree with you about the book companies ripping people off though. It just so happens that it's a fairly widespread phenomenon in this day and age.

straight_As

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

I meant because they're publishing books of notes (or however they do it) which contain exactly the same stuff, or less, that can be found in your normal textbooks. Therefore, they are contributing to the "wasting paper and ink" problem just as much as the textbook companies.

Actually, most of the teachers in the Institute teach the subject sans textbook and then give notes. The only subjects that have book requirements are maths (which isn't even used), applied maths and English prescribed works. To be honest, I think the teachers should teach without a textbook and be confident enough in their ability to follow strictly a curriculum. If this was, in fact, the case, wouldn't all textbooks be superfluous?

And how did this become an environmental debate?????

Stev_o

Depends some teachers just use the notes and nothing else (Maths comes to mind also German English) some use textbook for setting homework. It completely depends on the teacher tbh.

Piste

I dunno, I wouldn't like to be taught without a extbook- I'd never remember everything the teacher said and if I spent the whole class taking notes I'd probably miss a lot of what they say cos my writing's so slow. Textbooks are a good resource and provde sample questions.

Stev_o

Piste wrote: »

I dunno, I wouldn't like to be taught without a extbook- I'd never remember everything the teacher said and if I spent the whole class taking notes I'd probably miss a lot of what they say cos my writing's so slow. Textbooks are a good resource and provde sample questions.

Again it depends on the subject and teacher some hand out notes which are part notes and questions which you fill in. But usually your giving out notes say and you simply write in important facts or themes etc on the sheet beside the text. Tbh its the exact same as you would with a text book only difference between them are that the notes are more update, doesnt take that much effort to update them where it takes a long time for a book (say Maths) to be updated.

PurpleFistMixer

I liked having textbooks. It meant I could teach myself and ignore what happened in class unless I needed to. Also, textbooks are better than condensed notes as a primary source of learning because they sometimes have surrounding information, which won't be examined but is interesting.
That stuff can then be stripped away when you're making your own notes, which have only the necessary information. My basic objection to notes is that it's much more beneficial to make your own notes. If you're just handed them, then you miss out on the learning part of finding and condensing the important information.

leesmom

yeah the german teacher in there doesnt use a book,she is an amzing teacher and really puts in so much work and know the course off by heart without having to look at anything,oh god id kill to have her as my teacher this year,im repeating and my german teacher is crap,seem to think we r first years and need to start with how to say r names in german

Jay P

K4t wrote: »

Just like the new 'revised' editions of every school book.

They're reprinting the same sh*te every year and putting a different cover on the front, ripping us off and wasting needless paper. Don't blame the Institute for helping with a few notes. Blame the book company pricks.

Well, as for the revised editions, for the geography book anyway, it's re-written with the exam scheme in mind. Today's World was originally written before the exam was first sat in with its new sylabus. The new book was written with knowlege of what's required in the exam.

smndly

I'm going to the institute full time now and the notes are good but the real reason people perform so well is that everyone works their arses off!! Seriously 3 -4 hours a night minimum... No time for sports and little time for socialising...

Jello

smndly wrote: »

I'm going to the institute full time now and the notes are good but the real reason people perform so well is that everyone works their arses off!! Seriously 3 -4 hours a night minimum... No time for sports and little time for socialising...

IMO that's really not worth it, you need to have a balance.

K4t

smndly wrote: »

I'm going to the institute full time now and the notes are good but the real reason people perform so well is that everyone works their arses off!! Seriously 3 -4 hours a night minimum... No time for sports and little time for socialising...

But you're not really getting an education then are you? Sports and extra cirriculur activites are just as important as french verbs and calculus etc. As the poster above me said, you need a balance.

Cokehead Mother

smndly wrote: »

I'm going to the institute full time now and the notes are good but the real reason people perform so well is that everyone works their arses off!! Seriously 3 -4 hours a night minimum... No time for sports and little time for socialising...

Learn to study properly ffs. There's no reason to spend more than 3 hours a night on homework and study from september.

If you can't manage the LC without throwing your life away how are you going to cope with the course you're working so hard to get into? Try to sort out your approach to learning while you've still got time.

RavensCall

PurpleFistMixer wrote: »

"Institute Notes"

Institute notes leave out so much and arent a "magic pill", you still have to learn them.Make your own notes from the book, much more beneficial imho.

pinkeeeee

I was in the institute full time last year like and some subject notes are really good but others have very basic bullet points with not much info that the teacher goes through in class so you'd be better going in on fridays or saturdays like.

pinkeeeee

smndly wrote: »

I'm going to the institute full time now and the notes are good but the real reason people perform so well is that everyone works their arses off!! Seriously 3 -4 hours a night minimum... No time for sports and little time for socialising...

thats not really it. its the fact that everything is there for you-amazing teachers, more concise notes which are different from text books, the study halls. its up to you if you take advantage of it or not.

c7

The notes are ok, but really to get the benefit you really need to be attending the classes!

K4t wrote: »

But you're not really getting an education then are you? Sports and extra cirriculur activites are just as important as french verbs and calculus etc. As the poster above me said, you need a balance.

The Irish system isn't about education, it's examination. Anything that has such a huge reliance on one exam isn't really educating people, people can easily regurgitate said notes (back to OP) and not understand it. While there has been more done recently to change this it's still not fair.

RavensCall

pinkeeeee wrote: »

thats not really it. its the fact that everything is there for you-amazing teachers, more concise notes which are different from text books, the study halls. its up to you if you take advantage of it or not.

Wrong, was in grind school last year, Some ratio of brilliant teachers to crap teachers as my old normal school. Is just a load of students who want to do really well and put in the effort in one place. Fact

RavensCall

Maybe it was different for the institute, but I had friends who attended and I heard it was the same.

pinkeeeee

RavensCall wrote: »

Wrong, was in grind school last year, Some ratio of brilliant teachers to crap teachers as my old normal school. Is just a load of students who want to do really well and put in the effort in one place. Fact

Yeah but you get to choose your teachers and most of the weekend teachers are from others schools very few are day school teachers. I worked as hard as I did in my old school and did alot better. Fact. God don't you hate ignorant people who think they know best...

leesmom

the institute is good and some of their teachers and their notes cannot be beaten,the biology teacher i had there was amazing and her notes were excellent,however im repeating this year in a ****ty school and im just realising now that the notes that our geography teacher in the institute told us to use solely for the exams are missing a lot of essential stuff

DanOB

in there fulltime myself, its my understanding that the majority of the notes are copyrighted by the teachers- thus the thread is soliciting copyright infringement.. cant believe a mod hasnt shut it down already

PurpleFistMixer

We'll wait for all the websites that facilitate the selling of second hand books which must also be infringing on copyright to be shut down first.

DanOB

you used the word 'selling'.

The OP is looking for notes for free, and the notes are copyrighted, your a great Mod if your allowing for the soliciting of copyright infringement in your forums

leesmom

yes the notes are copyrighted,they dont spend thousands upon thousands on these teachers and their notes for people to be handin them around for free.
make the most of being in there,it is an amazing school,put the work in and you will be very happy,as im sure you know yourself.they give you all the tools to reach your full potential.

DanOB

leesmom wrote: »

yes the notes are copyrighted,they dont spend thousands upon thousands on these teachers and their notes for people to be handin them around for free.
make the most of being in there,it is an amazing school,put the work in and you will be very happy,as im sure you know yourself.they give you all the tools to reach your full potential.

thats precisely my point, thus the thread is infringing on copyright.. would you not agree?

PurpleFistMixer

Aw thanks, I know I'm great.

So, provided some money changes hands, it doesn't matter, is what you're saying? Even if none of that money whatsoever is going to whoever wrote/published/owned the copyright of the book/notes?

DanOB

I did not at any point say that.

have a look at the copyright & related rights act 2000

pinkeeeee

leesmom wrote: »

the institute is good and some of their teachers and their notes cannot be beaten,the biology teacher i had there was amazing and her notes were excellent,however im repeating this year in a ****ty school and im just realising now that the notes that our geography teacher in the institute told us to use solely for the exams are missing a lot of essential stuff

I got a C in geography for the junior and an A2 for the leaving...

pinkeeeee

I think that its very unfair that one person pays 7 grand for something and someone else is looking for a part of it for free so I agree.

PurpleFistMixer

@DanOB: You didn't say it, but you suggested it. I'm sure one of your institute teachers must have at one point taught you the fine art of "reading between the lines".

Now, since you posted on the thread about applied maths notes, I shall assume that you read Piste's post saying that it was decided that giving away notes for free is acceptable to do. So, while thank you for highlighting concerns you may have had, you can also leave the job of moderating to the moderators.

K4t

DanOB wrote: »

in there fulltime myself, its my understanding that the majority of the notes are copyrighted by the teachers- thus the thread is soliciting copyright infringement.. cant believe a mod hasnt shut it down already

Behave.

Imho, there's no point in the Institute teachers handing out pages and pages of notes with every last detail covered in them. This would only be a hindrance to weaker and less motivated students. The best notes are those which you write yourself and take the time to write and research yourself.

themont85

I got a lot of Institute notes when i did my LC and they were great. They don't leave stuff out at all i found, they had the info i needed. The physics ones were great, Pat Doyle is a legend. They had everything in them, really don't know what people are on about. Of course they're not essential but if you study them properly you'll do well, important to note that they're not a magic pill-they have to be worked on.

JSK 252

Class Notes

While the priority is, and always has been, the excellence of the classroom tuition, the Institute further specialises in providing extra help for its students in the form of notes. Summaries of topics taught, sample papers containing examination-type questions and model answers etc., are given wherever necessary, in order to clarify and reinforce classroom tuition. The Institute of Education notes are strictly copyright.

http://www.ioe.ie/parttime/parttime.html

Just to clarify on behalf of all concerned.

PurpleFistMixer

Oops, forgot to close this one too. Think it's basically a "no-no" on giving away notes.

Thanks, copyright!