Palin on Freddie Mac kickbacks to McCains aide.

Hobbes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73Yx-RhHb4g

Unreal. I can see why they want to cancel the debates for her.

Overheal

agreed. that campaign is going to tank fast.

Nevyn

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLlXxMY2LHI

Stop the sexism let her be interviewed and let her do the debates and if she is not the best person for the the job then she is not, best this come out now then later.

"Tonight I call on the McCain campaign to stop treating Sarah Palin like she is a delicate flower that will wilt at any moment," said Brown. "This woman is from Alaska for crying out loud. She is strong. She is tough. She is confident. And you claim she is ready to be one heart beat away form the presidency. If that is the case, then end this chauvinistic treatment of her now. Allow her to show her stuff. Allow her to face down those pesky reporters... Let her have a real news conference with real questions. By treating Sarah Palin different from the other candidates in this race, you are not showing her the respect she deserves. Free Sarah Palin. Free her from the chauvinistic chain you are binding her with. Sexism in this campaign must come to an end. Sarah Palin has just as much a right to be a real candidate in this race as the men do. So let her act like one."

Crash

Calling this sexism is so incredibly naive its not funny. She is not being hidden because she's a woman, she's being hidden because she can't handle herself in any way properly in front of a camera or interviewer thats she's a liability. Completely different.

cooker3

But there has been some sexism gone on. There is no way people would have been going about her having 5 kids or a down syndrome kid anywhere near as much as if she was male

Hobbes

I had to watch it a second time to get the gems from it.

"I don't follow polls, i just know what america's thinkin"

"I"ll try to find you some and bring them to ya"

Hobbes

cooker3 wrote: »

There is no way people would have been going about her having 5 kids or a down syndrome kid anywhere near as much as if she was male

I am pretty sure they would if that male was as stupid as she was.

Nevyn

crash_000 wrote: »

Calling this sexism is so incredibly naive its not funny. She is not being hidden because she's a woman, she's being hidden because she can't handle herself in any way properly in front of a camera or interviewer thats she's a liability. Completely different.

My tounge was firmly planted in my cheek when I posted it, I really do find the whole thing funny.

Crash

cooker3 wrote:

But there has been some sexism gone on. There is no way people would have been going about her having 5 kids or a down syndrome kid anywhere near as much as if she was male

Actually you have a point - some sexism has been going on, and who's the instigator? Sarah Palin. Between the McCain campaign and her own input, they are doing a very good job of making her gender an issue - as proven by women in Alaska who stated when interviewed that they would vote for McCain/Palin because "she knows what its like to be a mom". *Shudder*

Sorry Thaed, pisstake detector was on the fritz last night

Jack Sheehan

Oh Lord. This is like watching a train wreck, every word that comes out of her mouth is so poorly chosen.

zod

crash_000 wrote: »

Calling this sexism is so incredibly naive its not funny. She is not being hidden because she's a woman, she's being hidden because she can't handle herself in any way properly in front of a camera or interviewer thats she's a liability. Completely different.

The media know exactly why Palin is not being allowed to talk, they are calling the action sexist because they can't say that.. it's a good excuse to get her to talk though ..

eamonnm79

Campell Brown is basicly saying John please give sarah enough rope to hang herself!
Intelligent female reporters are out to show how dumb she is. Not a difficult task.

cooker3

Hobbes wrote: »

I am pretty sure they would if that male was as stupid as she was.

Any excuse hey

Funny how you or nobody how posted any of Joe Bidens rather amusing comments over the last few days. I mean your usually on the ball for any type of link to post, guess that wouldn't suit the argument.

bobbyjoe

cooker3 wrote: »

Any excuse hey

Funny how you or nobody how posted any of Joe Bidens rather amusing comments over the last few days. I mean your usually on the ball for any type of link to post, guess that wouldn't suit the argument.

You wanna argue that Palin is as intelligent as Biden?
Good luck with that.............

cooker3

bobbyjoe wrote: »

You wanna argue that Palin is as intelligent as Biden?
Good luck with that.............

I just want to point the funny disparity between people posting every single negative aspect of 1 candidate and every glowing aspect of another. It's quite funny.

As for Palin. I am not to fussed either way about her. Politically I think so far it was a great choice, poll numbers demonstrate that. It may still backfire, depending on how she does in the debates and more interviews. Her Couric interview was pretty poor on a few questions.

Although the economy issue will probably override everything when it's all said and done

Call Me Jimmy

McCain might want to steal some momentos from the white house while he has the chance...

Lemming

cooker3 wrote: »

I just want to point the funny disparity between people posting every single negative aspect of 1 candidate and every glowing aspect of another. It's quite funny.

I believe there is a thread somewhere on here that's recent enough on Biden's religious commentary gaff for a start. What I think you'll find is that people are picking apart Palin because she appears very much shockingly inept and brutally underwhelming as a politican. Biden doesn't (well, less so if you will). This - I would hazard a guess - is why she is getting mauled. It's not funny, it's just bloody obvious.

As for Palin. I am not to fussed either way about her. Politically I think so far it was a great choice, poll numbers demonstrate that. It may still backfire, depending on how she does in the debates and more interviews. Her Couric interview was pretty poor on a few questions.

I'm sorry. "A few questions"? Which questions did she perform well on exactly? I had to force myself to watch that interview. I cringed through it with my hand over my mouth in disbelief that this was a serious contender in the most important political race in the world. About the only question she actually answered was responding to her name. She answered nothing and instead went off on scripted waffle which was embarrasingly transparent.

cooker3

Lemming wrote: »

I believe there is a thread somewhere on here that's recent enough on Biden's religious commentary gaff for a start. What I think you'll find is that people are picking apart Palin because she appears very much shockingly inept and brutally underwhelming as a politican. Biden doesn't (well, less so if you will). This - I would hazard a guess - is why she is getting mauled. It's not funny, it's just bloody obvious.

It's nothing to do with how inept she is. It's all to do with political leanings of 99% of people on this board. If Palin was on democrat ticket, most of the insults would never get raised on here. If Biden was a republican you would hear far more barbs about him and about things he said and done. It's a simple idealogical matter. Now people support who they like and that's fine but what is rather annoying is when they just post stuff purely because they are the opposition so to speak and if those same actions came from the democrats there would be no opposition about it here and that is what happens imo of course.

Lemming wrote: »

I'm sorry. "A few questions"? Which questions did she perform well on exactly? I had to force myself to watch that interview. I cringed through it with my hand over my mouth in disbelief that this was a serious contender in the most important political race in the world. About the only question she actually answered was responding to her name. She answered nothing and instead went off on scripted waffle which was embarrasingly transparent.

I have 2 questions of the top of my head that she did badly on, one about 1 of campaign people taking money of freddie mae and another about her knowledge of McCain taking the lead over current crisis and his legislation "i'll get back to you" doesn't really cut it. I don't remember anything else she did badly on

Jack Sheehan

She gave vague, unintersted answers to EVERY question. There was no discernable information anywhere in that interview.

Call Me Jimmy

cooker3 wrote: »

It's nothing to do with how inept she is. It's all to do with political leanings of 99% of people on this board. If Palin was on democrat ticket, most of the insults would never get raised on here. If Biden was a republican you would hear far more barbs about him and about things he said and done. It's a simple idealogical matter. Now people support who they like and that's fine but what is rather annoying is when they just post stuff purely because they are the opposition so to speak and if those same actions came from the democrats there would be no opposition about it here and that is what happens imo of course.




I have 2 questions of the top of my head that she did badly on, one about 1 of campaign people taking money of freddie mae and another about her knowledge of McCain taking the lead over current crisis and his legislation "i'll get back to you" doesn't really cut it. I don't remember anything else she did badly on

Pathetic. Are you honestly telling me you don't think she has interviewed atrociously?

Overheal

Hey, he's not wrong about this message board. left leaning.

Call Me Jimmy

left wing? That seems a bit strong. But that wasn't the point. I for example, amn't left wing, right wing or anything in between. I don't really give a **** about anything and I can see that Palin is a terrible candidate. Joe Biden is sneaking in somewhat under the radar but you can't escape interviewing as badly as that (and not just that interview).

Overheal

Its true though and for the most part its got lots to do with Ireland, which again, holds dear many left wing characteristics, like the Socialized Healthcare Nanny State BS. Obviously not everyone agrees with it but plenty are happy with it and the rest dont give a ****. I mean when you need a thread in Politics asking if Ireland has any Conservatives it really speaks for itself dont it?

Left Leaning might be a nicer term. I guess Wing would really be a term for a place where the opposing view is squelched out. Like on the PULSE site. bleh.

edit: but i dont like where I've taken this line of conversation... can of worms tbh.

BlitzKrieg

Before the can of worms come flying out, try and think of it this way.

To the Irish we're not left wing the United States is more right wing, its a matter of perception and history.

Your *left wing* party the democrats would be looked at as a central party (at least) over here.

Its an Irish forum, we look at this from an Irish perspective, so yes to you it might appear that we have a leftist twang to our criticisms but in reverse a large number of US posters give a very strong right wing impression aswell.

Its more a matter of perception and history, then a form of agenda or malice.


On the actual topic, you dont need to have a left or right leaning to see that she fubbed that interview quite badly.

Regardless of the interviewer's approach or the technicality of the questions, you should be able as a candidate for such an imense position be able to handle yourself better in interviews.

Lemming

cooker3 wrote: »

It's nothing to do with how inept she is. It's all to do with political leanings of 99% of people on this board.

Au contraire, it has everything to do with how utterly and pathetically inept she is. The woman is woefully out of her depth running as VP. It's so bad, it's comical. And so badly comical it's just not even f*cking funny it's THAT serious an issue if she gets through the election process successfully.

As others have said, it isn't that Ireland is somehow "left" leaning, it's that the US republican party is so far right-wing. For the love of all holy mother f*cking f*cking f*cking christ (and yes, I emphase that amount of profanity here to make a point) .... the UK Conservative party is seen as left wing in the US. That should tell you something about the view of many card-carrying members/supporters of the US Republican party.

I have 2 questions of the top of my head that she did badly on, one about 1 of campaign people taking money of freddie mae and another about her knowledge of McCain taking the lead over current crisis and his legislation "i'll get back to you" doesn't really cut it. I don't remember anything else she did badly on

Only two questions? Were you even watching the same interview?!! She answered nothing. NOTHING!! I'm used to politicians dancing around questions but that interview was the most embarassingly transparent amount of TRIPE I've ever had the misfortune to witness.

Victor

Call Me Jimmy wrote: »

McCain might want to steal some momentos from the white house while he has the chance...

"700bn dolla ... love you long time"

Overheal

I wouldve chosen the nuclear football....but thats just me.

Call Me Jimmy

Overheal wrote: »

Its true though and for the most part its got lots to do with Ireland, which again, holds dear many left wing characteristics, like the Socialized Healthcare Nanny State BS. Obviously not everyone agrees with it but plenty are happy with it and the rest dont give a ****. I mean when you need a thread in Politics asking if Ireland has any Conservatives it really speaks for itself dont it?

Left Leaning might be a nicer term. I guess Wing would really be a term for a place where the opposing view is squelched out. Like on the PULSE site. bleh.

edit: but i dont like where I've taken this line of conversation... can of worms tbh.

Yea my point was no matter how much of a left wing nut you are, it doesn't change the fact that Sarah Palin has underperformed (to say the least) so far.

Victor wrote: »

"700bn dolla ... love you long time"

funny, my xbox live user name is luv ulongtime69 :P

Hobbes

cooker3 wrote: »

Funny how you or nobody how posted any of Joe Bidens rather amusing comments over the last few days.

Well you post them then.

Actually.. please do post them because I am at a loss to find them.

Hagar

They get Sarah Palin we get Mary Harney.

We even get short-changed on the useless bimbos.

Hobbes

Jack Caffertys take on the interview. He doesn't hold back

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8__aXxXPVc

cooker3

Hobbes wrote: »

Well you post them then.

Actually.. please do post them because I am at a loss to find them.

Well here he is asking a wheelchaired bound senator to stand up, oops

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SRV5Y1JCGRI

Here is the CBS interview with Couric. Where he claims FDR was in charge during the 1929 stock market crash and then berates that ad on McCain which says he can't use a computer then gets rather fuzzy on whether Obama approved it or not

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBl7jrD1GzU

And here is he saying Hillary Clinton is probably more qualified then him to be VP. Can you imagine Sarah Palin saying something like this!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GM537BgCsMg

Are these important, not particularly. They are funny and that's about it but I bet you all the tea in China they would have been posted up here practically straight away and if Palin had made these gaffes people would have had a field day.

Lemming

cooker3 wrote: »

They are funny and that's about it but I bet you all the tea in China they would have been posted up here practically straight away and if Palin had made these gaffes people would have had a field day.

Well therein lies the rub. Had Palin only made gaffes like these, people wouldn't be having sleepless nights at the thought of her as President. She isn't making gaffes, she's royally f*cking up in every single interview she gives. Do you get it yet? This isn't an anti-republican thing. This isn't some sort of GOP-claimed-world-machivellian-everyone-hates-the-US thing, this isn't a sexist thing, this is recognising that somebody is horrendously out of their depth and wholely unsuitable for such power & responsibility.

What sets me aghast is that people are actually defending her (apparently quite blindly and fervorently) and considering her to be a serious candidate. And I suspect a great deal many other people who are jumping up and down and shouting "Wake up" to the masses are running along a similar line.

CtrlSource

If she performs anything like that against Biden, it'll be hilarious. i cringed for her watching it. She got worse and worse!

It's an altogether scary prospect that she might one day be a heartbeat away from the Presidency. Bush had Cheney pulling his strings. Palin has... the First Dude?

jmayo

Overheal wrote: »

Its true though and for the most part its got lots to do with Ireland, which again, holds dear many left wing characteristics, like the Socialized Healthcare Nanny State BS. Obviously not everyone agrees with it but plenty are happy with it and the rest dont give a ****. I mean when you need a thread in Politics asking if Ireland has any Conservatives it really speaks for itself dont it?

Left Leaning might be a nicer term. I guess Wing would really be a term for a place where the opposing view is squelched out. Like on the PULSE site. bleh.

edit: but i dont like where I've taken this line of conversation... can of worms tbh.

Hang on there overheal, that thread about us having no conservatives was started by someone that believes in a complete free market economics with little or no government involvement. To most Irish, and indeed Europeans, he would be far right in his economic thinking beliveing that the state should not play a part in providing any services to society.
I guess to some of the US Republican mindset he would be just right.
His opinion and perhaps yours (?) of what are conservative right wing views/leanings appears to most Europeans as very far right.

Actaully funny how he has disappeared over the last week, just when the great private institutions that he lauded have been running to government to bail out their asses now that they have made a right pigs ear of things.

Leave the market alone and everything will be alright. Yeah right :rolleyes:

Speaking of nanny states the US has become a one of sorts.
Unlike ours it isn't a nanny state for the poor individuals, it is for the rich that have have screwed the US taxpayer by lumping them with billions worth of bad debts.
How does that make you feel ?

Anyway back on topic. We, the Europeans maybe more liberally minded than you folks over there, but dear God a blind and deaf man at this stage could see the Palin is grossly unprepared to lead the biggest economy and military power in the world.
Her idea of her being able to handle foreign policy issues is because she comes from a state that has a land border with those Canadians (and we all know how dangerous they are) and a maritime border with Russia, is laughable to anyone with half a brain.
According to that criteria, I have a good chance of being UN Secretary General, since I live in Europe and have visited 4 continents during my lifetime :rolleyes:

Hobbes

cooker3 wrote: »

Well here he is asking a wheelchaired bound senator to stand up, oops

Don't see that as a serious gaff. He didn't know the guy was in a wheelchair and his comments on that don't impact the government in anyway.

Here is the CBS interview with Couric...

OK that one on FDR was hilarious.

And here is he saying Hillary Clinton is probably more qualified then him to be VP.

I don't see this as a gaff either. To be honest knowing where your weaknesses are and admitting them is a strength. Hillary might be more qualified but she would do nothing to get votes and had already muddied the waters with the sleaze throwing on Obama.

Compare him now to the latest interview of Palin where she has McCain sitting in this time to stop her saying something stupid.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMNHgJH2680

Hobbes

Incidently, the latest SNL sketch of Sarah Palin they used Palins exact words as a joke.

Inquitus

That was the most shameful Interview I have ever seen from someone aspiring to power.

She had no clue about Fanny and Freddie, the $700b bailout, Russia being close to Alaska and how that made her qualified to be VP or Israel / Iran and foreign policy.

As others have said, I actually cringed watching it in open mouthed disbelief. I don't know anyone personally who I think could not have done a better job answering those questions.

On the $700m bailout it was like she took every fact in her head she has been given on the economy and put it in a blender and spewed out the results.

On McCains lobbyist and Fanny and Freddy.....the "I'll find a bunch of them and bring them to ya!".............we aren't talking about picking ****ing flowers here love, we are talking about you been a 72yo mans life away from the most powerful job on earth.

I could go on, but I won't, I have never been shocked by such incompetence by a public official ever......local councilors give a far better account of themselves on rte news than this VP candidate. If this got the coverage it deserves in the US, it should have completely torpedoed McCains run.

Yours in abject disbelief,

Inq

old boy

yes but people are forgetting to factor in the intelligence of the average american, many voting americans make palin sound like einstien, yes i have the emails that some send me to prove it.

kenco

When it comes to polling I think whatever Palin and Biden come out with in the meantime will not make the slightest of difference to the average US voter. They will not be thinking of the consequences of who will take over in that scenario.

While Palin has not come out shining so far there is no way that McCain will dump her as if he does then it is over for him and the Republicans.

When the Democrats went for Biden they knew there would be gaffs but must have figured that his overall experience would balance out. I havent seen any of that so far with Palin...

yaynay

Hobbes wrote: »

I am pretty sure they would if that male was as stupid as she was.

There is a male as stupid as she is - Joe Biden. A book could be written on the amount of gaffes he's had. Why don't we hear about his gaffes in the news? because he is not as news worthy as Sarah Palin. Lucky Obama to have a VP candidate that nobody cares less about.

norbert64

hmmmz
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/29/new-yorker-cover-mocks-pa_n_130423.html

banquo

All Palin has to say in the debate is 'Don't you dare patronise me, Sir', and it's over.

cornbb

yaynay wrote: »

There is a male as stupid as she is - Joe Biden. A book could be written on the amount of gaffes he's had. Why don't we hear about his gaffes in the news? because he is not as news worthy as Sarah Palin. Lucky Obama to have a VP candidate that nobody cares less about.

A couple of "gaffes" should not worry your average voter in the slightest. Its been pointed out in this thread that his gaffes (e.g. forgetting that a senator was wheelchair-bound) do not reflect on his real abilities in the slightest. Sarah Palin on the other hand is not making gaffes, she's actively digging herself a hole, demonstrating that she has absolutely no substance, experience or expertise to bring to the table. This whole obsession with "gaffes" is ridiculous anyway, people are going to be picking on candidates' ties and hairdos next ffs...

Hobbes

yaynay wrote: »

There is a male as stupid as she is - Joe Biden.

Yet I don't see any serious gaffes at the level of Palin. Please feel free to post them (in separate thread/s).

oscarBravo

cornbb wrote: »

Complete tangent, but I have the exact same binoculars, and they're superb.

Lemming

oscarBravo wrote: »

Complete tangent, but I have the exact same binoculars, and they're superb.

KGB SPY!!!! :eek:
BURN HIM AT THE STAKE!! :pac:

*ahem* Sorry.


On a serious note, I wonder what foreign heads of state are making of the performance as shown by Palin; particularly the heavy-weight adversaries like Russia and China, and how the possible election might shape their foreign policies; either active or contingency (based on McCain becoming incapacitated) vs. Obama/Biden and which they might see as "preferable" to their interests.

cornbb

This just gets better and better/worse and worse...

Soon after Sarah Palin was elected mayor of the foothill town of Wasilla, Alaska, she startled a local music teacher by insisting in casual conversation that men and dinosaurs coexisted on an Earth created 6,000 years ago -- about 65 million years after scientists say most dinosaurs became extinct -- the teacher said.

After conducting a college band and watching Palin deliver a commencement address to a small group of home-schooled students in June 1997, Wasilla resident Philip Munger said, he asked the young mayor about her religious beliefs.

Palin told him that "dinosaurs and humans walked the Earth at the same time," Munger said. When he asked her about prehistoric fossils and tracks dating back millions of years, Palin said "she had seen pictures of human footprints inside the tracks," recalled Munger, who teaches music at the University of Alaska in Anchorage and has regularly criticized Palin in recent years on his liberal political blog, called Progressive Alaska.

http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palinreligion28-2008sep28,0,3643718.story?track=rss

Inquitus

cornbb wrote: »

This just gets better and better/worse and worse...



http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-palinreligion28-2008sep28,0,3643718.story?track=rss

This is frankly absolutely insane. As Matt Damon said the stats on McCain surviving 3 years are 2 in 3, how on earth have we reached a point where we have let a person this inept get soo close to the most powerful job on earth, this defies logic.

I bet she can't name 5 European Capitals, or 5 Middle Eastern countries.

The Insider

Inquitus wrote: »

I bet she can't name 5 European Capitals, or 5 Middle Eastern countries.

You think Bush could before he got into power?

By the way in her last interview with Couric she clearly states she believes in Evolution.

Otacon

The Insider wrote: »

...she believes in Evolution.

She also wants Creationism (faith-based belief) taught in schools... beside Evolution (fact-based science)