The 50D is a steaming pile of &*%$

0utpost31 · 24-09-2008 5:28pm #1

Well, not really, but it's not much of an improvement over the 40d. High ISO noise is the exact same if not worse (yes, worse!!!) than the 40d.

Linky

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=573650

Jessops have this for £1300 new, body only. No way is it worth it. I'll keep my 40d thank you very much.

You ****ed up Canon!!

challengemaster · 24-09-2008 5:29pm

Is the 5D even that much? Lol.

kensutz · 24-09-2008 5:54pm

I have a 40D and there's no point in upgrading to a 50D.

Ricky91t · 24-09-2008 5:56pm

challengemaster wrote: »

Is the 5D even that much? Lol.

yes.

YogiBear · 24-09-2008 5:56pm

kensutz wrote: »

I have a 40D and there's no point in upgrading to a 50D.

Same here.

challengemaster · 24-09-2008 5:59pm

ricky91t wrote: »

yes.

Actually, it's not. EUR 1,295.80 + p&p on Kea, that's a hell of a lot cheaper. And the 5D mkII will drop the 5D price... Epic pricing fail.

edit: Any new(er low) prices for the 40D yet?

Fajitas! · 24-09-2008 6:02pm

I don't think the general chain of upgrade is to go from the **D cameras to the newer **D cameras, rather start at the ****D or ***D level, upgrade to the **D level, then on to the *D spec'd cameras.

The 30D was a bare improvement over the 20D too, if you look back. However, compare the 20D to the 40D and 50D, and it's a huge improvment.

Ricky91t · 24-09-2008 6:03pm

challengemaster wrote: »

Actually, it's not. EUR 1,295.80 + p&p on Kea, that's a hell of a lot cheaper. And the 5D mkII will drop the 5D price... Epic pricing fail.

edit: Any new(er low) prices for the 40D yet?

My bad though you said 5D mkII
No point comparing the 50D to a 5D they are on totally different levels one's good on high iso and FF
The other has great FPS and CMOS sensor

Setun · 24-09-2008 6:05pm

0utpost31 wrote: »

Jessops have this for £1300 new, body only. No way is it worth it. I'll keep my 40d thank you very much.

You ****ed up Canon!!

It's only just released for cryin out loud! Give it six months and the price will settle down a bit.

challengemaster · 24-09-2008 6:05pm

Thats my point though. 50D is still a more consumer/semi-pro based camera, the 5D is more a pro-range. Why the hell would you pay more for a consumer camera than a pro one?

Ricky91t · 24-09-2008 6:09pm

challengemaster wrote: »

Thats my point though. 50D is still a more consumer/semi-pro based camera, the 5D is more a pro-range. Why the hell would you pay more for a consumer camera than a pro one?

But they aren't exactly the same,I would buy a 50D before a 5D i could not go back to 3fps and im sure many who buy the 50D over the 5D are looking for the same thing,All though the 5D is better,the 50D is better for quiet alot of thing,wildlife sports etc

Fajitas! · 24-09-2008 6:13pm

challengemaster wrote: »

Thats my point though. 50D is still a more consumer/semi-pro based camera, the 5D is more a pro-range. Why the hell would you pay more for a consumer camera than a pro one?

You can get a 1D MkI for about 400 quid.

Why don't you buy that instead of upgrading to a 5D/40D/50D/1D MkII/1D Mk III?

0utpost31 · 24-09-2008 6:58pm

Daddio wrote: »

It's only just released for cryin out loud! Give it six months and the price will settle down a bit.

Ah you missed my point. I was mainly complaining about the noise levels. And £1300/€1642 for a camera thats almost the exact same as the 40d is annoying. Even when the price settles down to say €1100 it's still outrageous.

AnimalRights · 24-09-2008 7:09pm

0utpost31 wrote: »

Well, not really, but it's not much of an improvement over the 40d. High ISO noise is the exact same if not worse (yes, worse!!!) than the 40d.

Linky

http://photography-on-the.net/forum/showthread.php?t=573650

Jessops have this for £1300 new, body only. No way is it worth it. I'll keep my 40d thank you very much.

You ****ed up Canon!!

Conns and the camera centre shop have the 50D down as €1299, so they're far cheaper than Jessops but then there 5D mk II will be far dearer than Jessops price, odd!

AnimalRights · 24-09-2008 7:26pm

1st post here is quite an interesting read, 2nd one is so good I saved it for future use.

http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/688976

Ricky91t · 24-09-2008 7:31pm

AnimalRights wrote: »

1st post here is quite an interesting read, 2nd one is so good I saved it for future use.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/688976

AnimalRights · 24-09-2008 7:37pm

hehe

jackdaw · 25-09-2008 8:41am

challengemaster wrote: »

Actually, it's not. EUR 1,295.80 + p&p on Kea, that's a hell of a lot cheaper. And the 5D mkII will drop the 5D price... Epic pricing fail.

edit: Any new(er low) prices for the 40D yet?

€1,295 for the 50D !! Body only!!!!!!!

**** .. Al said it would be about 40% dearer then his current 40D price ..
which is about €952..

Setun · 25-09-2008 10:40am

0utpost31 wrote: »

Ah you missed my point. I was mainly complaining about the noise levels. And £1300/€1642 for a camera thats almost the exact same as the 40d is annoying. Even when the price settles down to say €1100 it's still outrageous.

Yeah I get what you mean. It definitely isn't worth it for a 40d to 50d upgrade - which tbh I'm happy about. Having just bought a 40d this summer I wouldn't be best pleased if they released a 50d which was a huge improvement and at a good price.

For dslr people looking to go semi-pro though I'd probs still recommend the 40d. It's a fine camera indeed, no complaints from me that the 50d rectifies.

gloobag · 25-09-2008 10:53am

I currently have a 50D on its way to me in the post. I'm upgrading from a 400D. The two main reasons I'm choosing the 50D is that I have a couple of lenses that I love, that unfortunately won't work properly on a FF camera and also when I inevidibly decide to sell it in a year or so I'll get a bit more money to put towards a better camera than I would with the 40D.

jackdaw · 25-09-2008 11:32am

gloobag wrote: »

I currently have a 50D on its way to me in the post. I'm upgrading from a 400D. The two main reasons I'm choosing the 50D is that I have a couple of lenses that I love, that unfortunately won't work properly on a FF camera and also when I inevidibly decide to sell it in a year or so I'll get a bit more money to put towards a better camera than I would with the 40D.

How much did the 50D body cost ?

gloobag · 25-09-2008 12:03pm

jackdaw wrote: »

How much did the 50D body cost ?

Just over €900

AnimalRights · 25-09-2008 12:05pm

Nice price..where from?

jackdaw · 25-09-2008 12:40pm

AnimalRights wrote: »

Nice price..where from?

I'd imagine Kea .. f**k it for an extra €700 get a 5D mkII ...

much better investment..

I'll post it again ..

AnimalRights · 25-09-2008 12:44pm

I agree!
It's just so hard trying to be patient knowing that the 50D is out there!
I wouldn't get it from Kea just incase there is a problem, would rather get it from Kerso in Scotland.

jackdaw · 25-09-2008 12:54pm

AnimalRights wrote: »

I agree!
It's just so hard trying to be patient knowing that the 50D is out there!
I wouldn't get it from Kea just incase there is a problem, would rather get it from Kerso in Scotland.

I know but only an extra month to the 5D mk2 ..

just think with your current camera at this moment do you really _need_ the
50D ???

i can make do with my 400D for the next month or 2 .. but i know if i buy the 50D i will be kicking myself in January when i see the 5Dmk2 ..

0utpost31 · 25-09-2008 4:03pm

Gloobag where did you get the 50d for this price?

By the way if you have a 40d there really is no need for a 50d. Look at the link I posted. Exact same picture quality & noise. I don't know why canon even bothered advertising it as having 12800iso.

Are there any reasons to upgrade 40d -> 50d that I'm missing?

0utpost31 · 25-09-2008 4:23pm

Here are some more 40d - 50d iso3200 comparisons courtesy of some swedish blokes on this site --> http://www.fotosidan.se/forum/showthread.php?t=98125

50d looks the same if not worse again.

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40d

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50d

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I'd buy a 50d if it was ~ 500euro. That way I could sell my 40d for 500euro and get the 50d. The allegedly increased weather sealing would be a big plus.

Fajitas! · 26-09-2008 12:08am

Isn't too different to me, apart from a different white balancing. On the musical sheet, it's sharper. Is suprising considering it's at a higher MP. Something to think about.

Bearing in mind, more pixels in the same sensor space, that's not bad. Especially when the pics from it at high ISO are all low res 100% crops.

Tbh, they're all bullsh*t. We saw the same whiners back with the 30D.

In a phrase: "get over it"

jackdaw · 26-09-2008 7:57am

strange ... Al said 50D not available untill Oct. 16th, didn't someone say they had one on the way ?

preorder ?

Jesus im ****ing obsessed ... i keep checking this forum and canon/dpreview for updates ...

thats it im staying offline for a month ...

Calina · 26-09-2008 8:39am

I think people need to sit back and get a grip.

If you have a 40D, and you are not using it to its fullest extent, then "upgrading" to a 50D is buying it for the sake of having the newest. You don't need it and if you have the cash, I'd spend it on lenses or other accessories instead

Yes, the 50D has a few more MP but not so much as makes a huge difference. It has a lower fps. Its picture quality is not all that different. It is consolidatory rather than revolutionary. The 50D is a bit like a 2007 Ford Fiesta over a 2005 Ford Fiesta. A few extra bells and whistles, but more suitable to someone who has a 1997 Fiesta than someone who has a 2005 Fiesta.

If you're looking at going a step up from the 40D, the 50D is not it; it is a step up from any of the following 300D/350D/400D/450D. From the 40D, sportswise, the next step is 1D Mk III, otherwise, fullframe you're looking 5D.

40D-50D in my view is money for nothing very much. I would not do it.

If I hadn't bought the 40D a few months ago I might consider the 50D but for me I still think the 40D is an excellent camera for the money, even before price reductions.

I'm also going to mind you that the 5D and 40D cameras are different beasts and to say one is better than the other is to miss the point that they are designed for different purposes; the 5D is not suitable for a lot of what I do; the 40D is not suitable for what a lot of other people do.

Borderfox · 26-09-2008 8:45am

For the same price as you would pay for the 50d you could get yourself some really good glass that will last you a lot longer than any individual body.

jackdaw · 26-09-2008 8:48am

Calina wrote: »

I think people need to sit back and get a grip.

If you have a 40D, and you are not using it to its fullest extent, then "upgrading" to a 50D is buying it for the sake of having the newest. You don't need it and if you have the cash, I'd spend it on lenses or other accessories instead

Yes, the 50D has a few more MP but not so much as makes a huge difference. It has a lower fps. Its picture quality is not all that different. It is consolidatory rather than revolutionary. The 50D is a bit like a 2007 Ford Fiesta over a 2005 Ford Fiesta. A few extra bells and whistles, but more suitable to someone who has a 1997 Fiesta than someone who has a 2005 Fiesta.

If you're looking at going a step up from the 40D, the 50D is not it; it is a step up from any of the following 300D/350D/400D/450D. From the 40D, sportswise, the next step is 1D Mk III, otherwise, fullframe you're looking 5D.

40D-50D in my view is money for nothing very much. I would not do it.

If I hadn't bought the 40D a few months ago I might consider the 50D but for me I still think the 40D is an excellent camera for the money, even before price reductions.

I'm also going to mind you that the 5D and 40D cameras are different beasts and to say one is better than the other is to miss the point that they are designed for different purposes; the 5D is not suitable for a lot of what I do; the 40D is not suitable for what a lot of other people do.

What is the 40D/50D better for then the 5D ? and vice versa ?

Borderfox · 26-09-2008 8:50am

A lot of people use the crop bodies for sports and the depth of field isnt as narrow as on full frame (good and bad thing) also higher frames per second on the 40/50d than the 5d.

Calina · 26-09-2008 9:01am

jackdaw wrote: »

What is the 40D/50D better for then the 5D ? and vice versa ?

Borderfox has laid it out succinctly but just to reiterate:

1) 40D has a far higher fps than the 5D. 6.5 to 3.5 (I think)

To put it into context, that's the difference between this:

and this:

2) The 1.6 crop factor extends the effective zoom by 60%. If I were to switch to full frame, I would lose that and need to start using a TC to deal with the loss of zoom range. I then will lose a stop or two of available light which causes me problems when I am using comparatively slow (and therefore not bankrupting) lenses.

In fact, this as a factor against the 1d Mk III for me; it has a larger frame and therefore l would have lost some available zoom.

I don't own a 5D but I would be more inclined to use it for some of the more obscure stuff I do playing with flash, ornaments, and a lot of detailed work. I know some people use it extremely effectively for portraiture and macro shots, two aspects of photography where I basically suck.

jackdaw · 26-09-2008 9:01am

Borderfox wrote: »

A lot of people use the crop bodies for sports and the depth of field isnt as narrow as on full frame (good and bad thing) also higher frames per second on the 40/50d than the 5d.

Yeah .. I like both though...

5D for wildlife is probably not as good as 40,50d .. but if i get an extender....

Borderfox · 26-09-2008 9:06am

I would say give a choice between the 50d and the current 5d I would pick the 5d and walk closer if I could.

jackdaw · 26-09-2008 10:05am

Well .. If the 50D gets a good review and IQ is competitive with 5D ..
then ill get it .. cos i prefer having longer reach .. i can always get a sigma 10-20 for ultra wide shots..

TelePaul · 26-09-2008 10:11am

Calina wrote: »

I think people need to sit back and get a battery grip.

Good idea.

Phototoxin · 26-09-2008 10:37am

*whispers* Join the dark lensed sided .... (nikon)

jackdaw · 26-09-2008 3:39pm

Al just got some 50D bodies in ...

€1,007 including the FedEx ...

not worth it .. ill pay the extra €600 for the 5D II ...

Covey · 26-09-2008 3:45pm

jackdaw wrote: »

Al just got some 50D bodies in ...

€1,007 including the FedEx ...

not worth it .. ill pay the extra €600 for the 5D II ...

You'll be waiting a long time for the 5D 11 to come down to that price:eek:

jackdaw · 26-09-2008 5:08pm

Covey wrote: »

You'll be waiting a long time for the 5D 11 to come down to that price:eek:

Well if you look at Alberts price for the 5D : GBP1034

he said the new mk II will be 30% more

1034 + 30%(1034) = GBP 1344 = (on XE.com) 1,690.99 EUR

QED..

//

0utpost31 · 27-09-2008 6:52am

Gloobag where did you get the 50d for 900euro?

mathias · 27-09-2008 7:03am

Well if you look at Alberts price for the 5D : GBP1034

he said the new mk II will be 30% more

1034 + 30%(1034) = GBP 1344 = (on XE.com) 1,690.99 EUR

QED..

Very optimisitic I think ...
There would be no one happier than me if your right , but I seriously doubt the 5Dmk II will come on the market at less than €2500

whyulittle · 27-09-2008 9:57am

It's about €1,800 on B&H.

Fajitas! · 27-09-2008 10:08am

Yep, €1,849.22, probably closer to the 2000 mark when you put on tax.

whyulittle · 27-09-2008 10:13am

Sure, but it makes Jackdaw's 5D + 30% price more possible.

mathias · 27-09-2008 12:12pm

It's about €1,800 on B&H.

Yup ... thats about right , when I got my 5D I took a trip to B&H to buy it , the trip was well covered by the price difference between Here and the USA , it will most likely be the same this time around.

( IIRC it was €3200 here and $2400 in the states ).

So if thats the price in B&H Im off to Aerlingus.com for a flight !!

Given Canons outrageous pricing policies for Ireland , How much do you think it will retail for here ? ( or any legit European site ... with warranty and cashback ! )

Fajitas! · 27-09-2008 12:29pm

Jaysus, when I was buying my 5D and grip, it was nearly 5000 here, and I got it for less than half from across the oceans.

jackdaw · 27-09-2008 8:13pm

Sorry Kea just got back to me ... i don't know where i heard the 30% higher price from (i thought someone mentioned it here) .. but now he is saying it
will be 55% higher then the current 5D which is now GBP 1060 (including FedEX) ...

which is strange cos 2 months ago the 5D was 1030(including Fedex) on his site ... AND i just saw the 50D on sale in a good store (Nivel 10) in barcelona -- €1100 body only ... KEa has it for €1007 .. maybe Kea not such a bargain anymore ...

The 50D is a steaming pile of &*%$

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