Pre WOTLK Honor wipe!

Fenix

Just a note to those of you who were planning to stockpile the max 75K honor pre wotlk in order to quickly aquire the new lvl80 pvp gear;

As many of you know we will be featuring a new Battleground, a dedicated world PvP zone and all new PvP items in Wrath of the Lich King. In order to make the transition from The Burning Crusade to Wrath of the Lich King flow as smoothly as possible, all accrued honor points will be reset at the launch of the expansion. We do this to ensure select players do not have an unfair advantage at level 80 from stockpiling honor to instantly purchase the newest Wrath of the Lich King PvP rewards. For those with unspent honor points prior to the release of the expansion, we will be offering a few upgrades and special rewards in next content patch solely for purchase via the honor system.

All Honor Tokens will be wiped as well. This reset should happen right before the launch of Wrath of the Lich King.

Not sure how amny of you folks were planning to do this but I knew a good few from my real (Burning Legion) were already holding off cashing in on thier Honor...

I'm glad they will be wiping it to be honest.

Krieg

****ing **** ******!

Not a happy bunny here. I had about 40k Stock piled since june and a couple hundred badges and thought id hold on until the expansion release

DarthWraak

dum

cian1500ww

Didn't this happen before TBC as well ?

Ivan

Yes, it did. And I dont know how people thought it could be any other way, would be kinda ridiculous hitting 80 and then buying a bunch of arena gear or honor gear and being ready to pwn people...

Just buy the season 2 and have an easier time leveling up. I think it is much better this way, personally. Looking forward to some even level arenas; starting at 80 on the same gear level means more fun arenas for the most part.

mayordenis

Anyone who thought it would stay is ridiculous - it would be ****ing horrendous if you could ding 80 and have loads of items or any straight away. lol thats what you get

Anti

Full s2 sitting in the bank and some s3 aswell I agree with ivan and mayordenis, it would have been stupid to allow that. If you have a load of honor and badges left cash them in and get some nice pvp gems and stack them up for them lvl 72 blues were gonna get.

cian1500ww

Doesn't bother me anyway, I'm only lvl 30 yet Have to make it to 60 before WOTLK !

Nehaxak

It gets worse though, apparently all pvp gear, apart from the base blue sets, will require Honor Points, Arena Points as well as Arena Rating to procure.
Which if it stays that way means for me at least I won't even be bothering to purchase the expansion.

All I do is pvp, world (what little of that there is) and BG pvp, I hate Arena's. If there is nothing to aim for and no decent gear rewards to get from the real pvp (I don't consider Arena to be pvp) then there is really no point in the game for me anymore anyway.

I'll stick to WaR and make the most of it, at least in WaR the pvp is near enough perfect the way they have it structured.

ven0m

It's a great idea & good idea, means the achievements will actually mean something.

Am I right in guessing these changes will ONLY apply to those who install & activate the new expansion & who are a level 70?

I can't see them resetting honor & marks on some poor bastard level 42, who's still levelling themselves up.

Anti

Yeah id say its only lvl 70's will get the honor wipe. Makes no sense at all to wipe anyone below to be honest. But then again what about lvl 69 twinks ((lol)) who are farming honor, will their honor be reset when they ding ?

ven0m

Actually, now I've had a bit of a think about this, their logic on this is actually totally assways. They are saying 'having honor & marks stacked' for level 80 is unfair & gives people an unfair advantage.

So TECHNICALLY, doing BG's as you're levelling up & having marks & honor stacked for when you ding 70 is also unfair by their newly created logic?

Methinks someone in blizzard is critting the nose candy so they can proc hard .......

Krieg

Alas, I only began playing 2 months before TBC and was unaware of the previous wipe. I still should have asked about it..

smellslikeshoes

ven0m wrote: »

Actually, now I've had a bit of a think about this, their logic on this is actually totally assways. They are saying 'having honor & marks stacked' for level 80 is unfair & gives people an unfair advantage.

So TECHNICALLY, doing BG's as you're levelling up & having marks & honor stacked for when you ding 70 is also unfair by their newly created logic?

Methinks someone in blizzard is critting the nose candy so they can proc hard .......

The flaw in that logic is there are already people at 70 who have the gear if you ding 70 now so stockpiling the honor as you level won't really give you an advantage. The point of wiping the honor now is so everyone starts on an even footing for season 5 and nobody gets an easy 2k rating in the first week because they stockpiled honor and smacked down people who didn't stockpile.

mayordenis

ven0m wrote: »

So TECHNICALLY, doing BG's as you're levelling up & having marks & honor stacked for when you ding 70 is also unfair by their newly created logic?

that doesn't make any sense whatsoever, it means everyone from release day to 80 is given a fair go at things,
I'm honestly surprised that this has crossed your mind - it's logic breaking.
I'm pretty sure the Honor wipe will be for every charcter regardless of level and if they get the expansion but I guess we'll see.
Wouldn't be much good if you had a twink with loads of honor and then just leveled it.

ven0m

mayordenis wrote: »

that doesn't make any sense whatsoever, it means everyone from release day to 80 is given a fair go at things,
I'm honestly surprised that this has crossed your mind - it's logic breaking.
I'm pretty sure the Honor wipe will be for every charcter regardless of level and if they get the expansion but I guess we'll see.
Wouldn't be much good if you had a twink with loads of honor and then just leveled it.

Well, the way I see it - I started playing last October, & I didn't exactly have a fair shake when I dinged 70 & was in BG's against guys in full vengeful, or out & about trying to do PVE progress when no-one would take me into PVE guild cos my gear wasn't good enough, so I had to PuG my arse off & farm Heroics to even get to the point I'm at now. There was no 'consideration' towards people like me when there are s many out there who've been 70 for so damned long.

I mean, if they're serious - reset people's gold also, as there's more than several achievements that the huge quantities of gold people have hoarded that people can effectively buy; i.e. getting to 450 skill on professions, reaching new skill levels that obviously having a buttload of gold can more or less 'help you buy'.

Their logic is flawed in their approach, when it would have been easier to increase the honor costs dramatically. The ONE good thing they are going to do is make PVP items cost gold + arena points + BG honor + marks, which frankly would have made more sense. I mean, offering Deadly Gladiator items in the above cost sense where the gold factor is 20G - make it 250G, & you'll find that those who think they can buy their way to 80 in terms of certain achivements (which btw DOES yield loot rewards of their own!).

Either go the whole hog, or don't - but those sitting out there with 60-75K in gold in their account (and there are more than you think!) when it comes to the achievements are not exactly on a levelled playing field.

I really don't think resetting gold is viable, but set a maximum cap people can have going into WoTLK so the gold hoarders can't go buying their way to achievements, which are a new game focus.

Ivan

ven0m wrote: »

Well, the way I see it - I started playing last October, & I didn't exactly have a fair shake when I dinged 70 & was in BG's against guys in full vengeful, or out & about trying to do PVE progress when no-one would take me into PVE guild cos my gear wasn't good enough, so I had to PuG my arse off & farm Heroics to even get to the point I'm at now. There was no 'consideration' towards people like me when there are s many out there who've been 70 for so damned long.

I mean, if they're serious - reset people's gold also, as there's more than several achievements that the huge quantities of gold people have hoarded that people can effectively buy; i.e. getting to 450 skill on professions, reaching new skill levels that obviously having a buttload of gold can more or less 'help you buy'.

Their logic is flawed in their approach, when it would have been easier to increase the honor costs dramatically. The ONE good thing they are going to do is make PVP items cost gold + arena points + BG honor + marks, which frankly would have made more sense. I mean, offering Deadly Gladiator items in the above cost sense where the gold factor is 20G - make it 250G, & you'll find that those who think they can buy their way to 80 in terms of certain achivements (which btw DOES yield loot rewards of their own!).

Either go the whole hog, or don't - but those sitting out there with 60-75K in gold in their account (and there are more than you think!) when it comes to the achievements are not exactly on a levelled playing field.

I really don't think resetting gold is viable, but set a maximum cap people can have going into WoTLK so the gold hoarders can't go buying their way to achievements, which are a new game focus.

If you had any idea how much they've reduced the difficulty in gearing up, you wouldnt say things like this.

Between removing attunements, making heroics easier, making them only require honored. Level 70 blue arena gear, purchasing arena gear for honor. The newer generation never had it so easy.

In my day, we'd raid 6 days a week, do a pug 20 man after 2am and pvp all day the 7th!
Youngsters, huh?

And to allay some fears, yes. New PvP gear will require arena points and honor. So what? Originally, PvP gear required arena points. That was it, the only way to get PvP gear was through arenas. Now, things are pretty much going back to the same as that, with one, rather considerable exception.

The open world PvP zone in northrend, provides honor points and arena points for winning it and for just taking part. So NOBODY has any excuse for bitching about PvP systems for Wrath; not even me!

ven0m

Ivan wrote: »

If you had any idea how much they've reduced the difficulty in gearing up, you wouldnt say things like this.

Between removing attunements, making heroics easier, making them only require honored. Level 70 blue arena gear, purchasing arena gear for honor. The newer generation never had it so easy.

In my day, we'd raid 6 days a week, do a pug 20 man after 2am and pvp all day the 7th!
Youngsters, huh?

And to allay some fears, yes. New PvP gear will require arena points and honor. So what? Originally, PvP gear required arena points. That was it, the only way to get PvP gear was through arenas. Now, things are pretty much going back to the same as that, with one, rather considerable exception.

The open world PvP zone in northrend, provides honor points and arena points for winning it and for just taking part. So NOBODY has any excuse for bitching about PvP systems for Wrath; not even me!

I'm NOT complaining, hell - everytime I buy a piece of PVP gear or badge gear, I have my crap reset to zero anyways, that's a no-brainer - jesus h christmas - READ WHAT I WROTE; Their logic surrounding it being out of FAIRNESS is what I said is flawed the more I think about it.

Is it fair that someone who has 75k upwards in gold can 'buy' achievements & their rewards? no. So why should that be any different to the honor/marks thing? Is it fair that someone who has had time to gain an uber epic flying mount will be able to explore Northrend faster than me? no.

Is it fair that that those with HUGE gold reserves if they are tailors, & have artisan riding be able to level up to 450 to make their flying carpet regardless of cost while people who do tailoring & are in a similar boat to myself where we are still struggling to get artisan riding & level up our professions due to over inflated in-game economy costs due to gold farmers etc. will not be able to get to make said item, & thus receive said achievement & achievement rewards for it? cos that's not fair.

You can't be someone like blizzard & make changes like that when officials from blizz came out earlier this year & said 'no, marks & honor won't be reset - farm away' & then within 7 weeks of release do a u-turn & claim it's about fairness, & then say 'oh that announcement was a mistake' & not even have the balls to apologise for a misleading release through the blue posts.

Blizz claims its about fairness. Tell me ANYTHING about the above points that is fair.

(p.s. it really doesn;t bother me much, cos I'm used to getting to hat I need for an item, spending it & going from scratch again, I've personally accepted that) - but I can understand why so many people are pissed off esp. when Blizz came out & said 'go farm - nothing changes'.

Anti

Over inflated economy ? Things are cheaper now then ever(well in 12 months of experience). 20g for voidys, 11 for large prism, primal nethers for 10g !! Even cloth and leather has dropped prices drasticially. People are selling everything they have cheap to get some money before wrath hits.

As for the honor reset, its seems fair to me. Would it be fair if i have 5 lvl 70's all honor and badge capped. Then when the new gear comes out i can buy a load of it. Putting everyone on a level playing field here is the best solution. And your idea about wiping people gold reserves ? Hell No... Ive worked damn hard for the 8000g i have in the bank. Constant farming, not wasting it on random crap and spending time on my mains crafting for other people.

ven0m

Manties wrote: »

Over inflated economy ? Things are cheaper now then ever(well in 12 months of experience). 20g for voidys, 11 for large prism, primal nethers for 10g !! Even cloth and leather has dropped prices drasticially. People are selling everything they have cheap to get some money before wrath hits.

As for the honor reset, its seems fair to me. Would it be fair if i have 5 lvl 70's all honor and badge capped. Then when the new gear comes out i can buy a load of it. Putting everyone on a level playing field here is the best solution. And your idea about wiping people gold reserves ? Hell No... Ive worked damn hard for the 8000g i have in the bank. Constant farming, not wasting it on random crap and spending time on my mains crafting for other people.

Well, people have worked hard for their honor & marks just as you have for your 8000G. I don't think it's fair you can waltz into WoTLK & pretty much 'buy' your way to 450 in a profession & thus earn an achievement & it's reward the same way you don't think it's fair someone can buy a load of gear. See what I'm getting at now?

Dunno what realm you're on - but on the two I've been on mats you've listed there are not that cheap, & I've never seen them that cheap on either of the realms horde or alliance side!

Anti

Well do what i will be doing will all my honor and marks. Im just going to buy a crap load of pvp gems. Also, i doubt 8000g will let me lvl up taioring and LW to 450. I can imaging the AH going nuts with the cost of the mats at the beginning.

Also when you think that 8000g is alot of money to buy gear, your havign a giraffe. Heart of darkness' go for 1kg each. The new wrists i want on my hunter need 4 of them along with another 1000-1500g worth of mats. And thats from a simple MH pattern.

DRakE

no ****ing way hearts of darkness go for 1000g

about 3 months ago i was buying them for 150g each for that haste spelldmg shoulder, cant remember the name offhand

nix

Obviously the prices vary from server to server

So alota guilds on one server having cleared BT will be selling them cheaper than say the server im on where like only 2 alliance guilds are in sunwell o_O

Nehaxak

HoD were selling on Draenor Horde side for 75g a couple of days ago :rolleyes:

Horsefumbler

my retarded brother farmed 100 of each honour badges( which he pugged games to get mostly) and max honour. He was gutted when I told him this news:D

papajimsmooth

They straight out lied, earlier hey said that we could farm honor for the new expansion

10. Can I start farm 75k honor and 100 of all marks and 5000 arena points now already for WotLK or will it reset?

10. Nothing will reset, fear not.

Wasted my time so

Anti

DRakE wrote: »

no ****ing way hearts of darkness go for 1000g

about 3 months ago i was buying them for 150g each for that haste spelldmg shoulder, cant remember the name offhand

Current price 1200g

Ivan

Wow, thats one sucky server you got there

Fenix

Shocked at the price of HoD on your server !!

About people who have stacked so much gold, got maxed professions, highest riding skill etc... When i got my epic riding mount it was painful handing over that hard earned ~5000G, since then, with the arrival of the Isle / Netherwing / Orgi'la etc dailies and the cap increase of 25 dailies per day, It has become stupidly easy to acquire a large amount of gold. At the moment I’m sitting with around 19k on my main and about 6k spread between a few alts. While I have tried to be shrewd at the AH, I have done absolutely no type of 'gold farming', other than completing the dailies on my main and 1 other alt (most of the time i would just do the Isle dailies on the alt while those and fishing / cooking and some of the easier netherwing on main). Takes about 1.5 hours, less once your that used to them.

I honestly think blizz have made the acquisition of gold a lot easier in an effort to combat gold farmer, so honestly I don’t think anyone that plays even half regularly has a prayer complaining about difficulty in getting gold!

Ivan

My gold e-peen is bigger than yours!

Anti

Yup, my realm is a load of donkey cock to be honest.