Pool / Snooker Hall in Limerick

Mossin

Hey all,

I'm doing enterprise development, and as part of my business plan for the module, I need to do market research.
As UL students are a huge part of my potential target market, I want to get opinions and feedback here on my idea.

We are proposing to open a pool/snooker hall in Castletroy.
It would have 8-10 pool tables, and 2 snooker tables.
It would be located near Groody Bar, in the old shop on the corner to be precise.
It would have a chill-out area, whereby you can sit and relax.
It would serve minerals, crisps and chocolate and other such simple items, probably over a counter rather than a vending machine.
It would be a relaxing atmosphere.

Opening hours would be 12pm - 11pm Mon-Sun.

Pool would cost €1 per game, and Snooker €6 per hour.

What are peoples ideas and opinions on this?

It is intended to be an alternative place to hang out, and play pool/snooker without loud music and alcohol. Somewhere to go instead of the cinema for 2 hours maybe.

KerranJast

That used to be a LAN cafe / shop. They had fairly steady business AFAIR. Unfortunately it flooded last year and had to close.

Mossin

Yeah thats the place...

I need opinions on whether you would use such a facility if we opened it for real. Is that located too far from college? Is there enough interest?

I'll take info such as my friends love pool, and would play there etc...

The Don

It is a bit far from college but you would get business from the student villages near it. We would definately have made some trips from college court to it. It'd be a good way to spend a few hours during the weekend. You would also get business from others living in the area. I'm asuming that it's not just students allowed in. As it's the only place around that would offer snooker I would imagine that people would come from all over castletroy to play.

ninty9er

I'd go with 50c and €4 though. And maybe locate it somewhere on Plassey Park Road or near Superquinn for more centrality. Students have the SU, you need to exploit the indigenous market.

BTW that shop closed due to mismanagement rather than any physical damage to the building, but that's beside the point.

McGetty

Well, I don't play pool/snooker but aren't there already a good few tables in the SU common room? That stays open pretty late so you'd have to deal with that, although I've no idea if they're free or how busy they are.

Mossin

I know all about the competition in the area, its not solely targeted for students though. They would obviously be a huge potential target market, but not the only people we are vying to attract.

Regular tournaments etc would be held, and maybe some top attractions, such as the Davis vs Taylor exhibition match that was held in the South Court could be held there...thats the type of publicity and attractions that we are aiming for.

I had thought of locating in Plassey Park, and its still under consideration.

spideog7

The snooker would definitely be interesting alright. Personally I'd still just go to the SU for pool anytime, that's open until eleven and usually fairly quiet in the evenings. One of the student villages down there (Brookfield I think) has a games room with two pool tables, had a few mates who lived there last year, we used to go in and play every so often, never anyone in there, so obviously not too much demand.

Mossin

Thanks for the honest response Spideog.

fatgav

Mossin wrote: »

maybe some top attractions, such as the Davis vs Taylor exhibition match that was held in the South Court could be held there...thats the type of publicity and attractions that we are aiming for.

to be fair mossin, if you're holding something like this you'd need a much bigger venue just to pay for having the guys come over. no reason you can't promote it in conjunction with one of the hotels though, like the one that used to be called the hilton for instance.

is this for real or just a project??

Mossin

Its currently just a project, but if it turns out to be feasible, and by that I mean that I dont manipulate results to make it so, then I will be seriously considering starting this venture.

As for exhibition matches, yeah it would be a good idea to hold them elsewhere, but they need to be associated with our club/hall...That'd be the ultimate though...

Currently I need to know would you use it if it was open?
Do you think it is a good idea?
What else would you include to make it more interesting?

The Don

Mossin wrote: »

Its currently just a project, but if it turns out to be feasible, and by that I mean that I dont manipulate results to make it so, then I will be seriously considering starting this venture.

If it turns out that you start this I want 20% or I'm not giving you any more ideas. In writing any time that your ready

Peteee

Is 6 euro an hour for snooker not a bit steep. It kinda goes over the psycological 5 euro barrier.

Mossin

Peteee wrote: »

Is 6 euro an hour for pool not a bit steep. It kinda goes over the psycological 5 euro barrier.

It's €6 an hour for snooker, its €1 a game for pool.
It'd be to cover the rising costs of electricity. Snooker tables require different lights than pool tables. We are considering €5 an hour for snooker.

This is why I want ideas bashed around in here.

@ the don...unless you are willing to throw 20% equity into this business, then you are not getting anything

kaimera

Peteee wrote: »

Is 6 euro an hour for pool not a bit steep. It kinda goes over the psycological 5 euro barrier.

Not really given that people pay over €5 for a pint...

Otacon

What about running classes to teach people how to play better? Especially in snooker?

rmacm

Peteee wrote: »

Is 6 euro an hour for pool not a bit steep. It kinda goes over the psycological 5 euro barrier.

It was €1/game for pool and €6/hour for snooker.

I'm not sure why there should be such a disparity in the charging per game Dave? Perhaps because a game of snooker could last a few hours?

Overall I think it would be a good idea you just have to be sure of your figures etc. An alcohol free alternative for people who don't drink would be appreciated I'm sure.

Any idea what kind of rent you'd be spending on a unit down near Groody?

I know this is all hypothetical at the moment but meh something to think about.

Mossin

Otacon wrote: »

What about running classes to teach people how to play better? Especially in snooker?

We would be running classes in both snooker and pool.

rmacm wrote: »

It was €1/game for pool and €6/hour for snooker.

I'm not sure why there should be such a disparity in the charging per game Dave? Perhaps because a game of snooker could last a few hours?

Any idea what kind of rent you'd be spending on a unit down near Groody?

The disparity is because snooker games tend to last a lot longer than pool games. Especially if beginners are playing. We aim to cater for all skill levels, and like I said, we aim to put on classes to improve people's abilities.

The rent is an issue currently being investigated, as are alternative locations such as those suggested by Ninty9er in this thread.

ninty9er

ESB isn't the only ESB supplier (i.e there are suppliers whose costs are coming down)

€4 is enough for an hour I reckon...based on having 5 tables on the go from 12 - 12. I don't reckon there'd be too much demand before lunch.

BTW. I want in too. You'll need an accountant;)

Dave147

Right, there's an awful lot of people here that haven't a clue about billiards games. Pool 1 euro a game is perfectly reasonable, and quite cheap. You would of course be supplying the place with 'Supreme Pool Tables' 7ft x 4ft, this will cater for the serious pool players that will use your venue regularly. 6 euro an hour for snooker, extremely reasonable. Look around, 10 euro + is the going rate. I am lucky to have my own table of course!

As for running classes, not sure about that idea, if you wanted to get in touch with a coach and work out a percentage deal with him for tutoring on your tables. Classes wouldn't work imo.

I play competitive pool and will hopefully be travelling to Roscrea next month for the 2nd Event of the season. Any questions about pool and snooker feel free to ask

Mossin

Yeah, I know ESB are not the only supplier, but its still an expense that isnt cheap.

€4 an hour....thats €1 for 15mins snooker...its an idea, but to make any sort of money from such a venture, it'd want to be a bit more.

We would be running a league format too in both pool and snooker, something like a 20 person league, with games each week, and a prize for the top 3.

Also regular tournaments would be held, for both members and non-members.

Inter-college games would be organised, as would Inter-firm games.

@Ninty, as I told the Don, if you want in, you have to provide some equity up front :pac:

rmacm

Mossin wrote: »

Inter-college games would be organised, as would Inter-firm games.

@Ninty, as I told the Don, if you want in, you have to provide some equity up front :pac:

Was going to suggest inter-company games myself, there's probably a big enough demand for this I know we do it in Ericsson every so often.

Would Lehman Brothers shares do for equity?

fatgav

maybe ask other snooker halls? there's one in galway, the eglinton, that springs to mind. they always seem to do a good trade. they've got a spacious place, equipment is in good nick and you can get a snack (bars really) as well as tea/mineral in there too, which is important. i like the companies thing - could work well in the summer when students are away

Otacon

rmacm wrote: »

Would Lehman Brothers shares do for equity?

TOO SOON!!!11

The Don

Are there going to be tv's or some other form of entertainment for people who aren't playing or waiting for their game? Some players could bring friends along who aren't interested in pool or snooker.

Fall_Guy

The snooker club in my hometown charges somewhere in the region of a tenner an hour so I definitely wouldn't consider 6 euro an hour too expensive provided the tables were of a decent enough quality.

Interesting idea, but personally i'd try to gear it more towards the snooker (probably more due to a preference for snooker on my part than anything else!)

with regards non-snooker/pool related entertainment, the auld arcade games and slot machines are tried and tested winners with the snooker-club going crowd!

idPlease

i think this is a great idea Mossin would it be open monday-sunday?
I would pay a euro and a €5 for snooker no problem

Mossin

idPlease wrote: »

i think this is a great idea Mossin would it be open monday-sunday?
I would pay a euro and a €5 for snooker no problem

Yeah, Monday through Sunday it would be open.

idPlease

I'm going to go as far and say this is a genius idea! would definately go there instead of town to play:cool:

The Don

idPlease wrote: »

I'm going to go as far and say this is a genius idea! would definately go there instead of town to play:cool:

You can stop right there idPlease. Moissin's head is big enough already.

Someone else on his team probably came up with thes idea anyway.:D

Mossin

The Don wrote: »

You can stop right there idPlease. Moissin's head is big enough already.

Someone else on his team probably came up with thes idea anyway.:D

Its Mossin btw!!

I thought of this idea last March actually, and I've been working away at it since then. But now the lecturer is making me do this as part of a group, but at least I have an accountant on board now, although his credentails have to be questioned :pac:

The Don

Mossin wrote: »

Its Mossin btw!!

Sorry Mossin, the cue slipped

idPlease

Can we get back to the topic at hand? Pool/snooker in limerick!

Otacon

Mossin wrote: »

I'm doing enterprise development, and as part of my business plan for the module, I need to do market research.

idPlease wrote: »

Can we get back to the topic at hand? Pool/snooker in limerick!

No, its about a college project that Mossin is too lazy to do properly so he's using the tinternets to do the work for him... :pac:

The Don

Mossin wrote: »

I'm doing enterprise development, and as part of my business plan for the module, I need to do market research.

Otacon wrote: »

No, its about a college project that Mossin is too lazy to do properly so he's using the tinternets to do the work for him... :pac:

So you don't consider the tinternets as a valid place to do market research?

ninty9er

Considering the bastard spammed God knows how many people....I'd consider it the best place if it stops my getting sh1t in my inbox:mad:

rmacm

ninty9er wrote: »

Considering the bastard spammed God knows how many people....I'd consider it the best place if it stops my getting sh1t in my inbox:mad:

You know sometimes I'm tempted to find the login for a spam account I use and forward everything in it to you :P

The Don

Back OT. What type of lighting and windows will be in the place. Lighting will be important for the evening/night but during the day it will be a lot cheaper on electricity if there is good natural lighting in the building. That said, you don't want light coming in through windows and blinding players so the windows and their positions will be important.

Mossin

ninty9er wrote: »

Considering the bastard spammed God knows how many people....I'd consider it the best place if it stops my getting sh1t in my inbox:mad:

I hope you are not talking about me spamming people!!

That was the marketing class rep, which I will say for the last time, ISNT ME!!!!

Burning Eclipse

Mossin wrote: »

I hope you are not talking about me spamming people!!

That was the marketing class rep, which I will say for the last time, ISNT ME!!!!

I know you're a business student, but what is your major??

Otacon

Burning Eclipse wrote: »

I know you're a business student, but what is your major??

Debauchery.

idPlease

ninty9er wrote: »

Considering the bastard spammed God knows how many people....

It aint mossin who's been doing the spamming, i know he thought about it for another project but...someone came up with a better idea :rolleyes:;)

Mossin

Burning Eclipse wrote: »

I know you're a business student, but what is your major??

I'm majoring in Marketing, minor in Entrepreneurship..Thats why I started this thread.

Otacon wrote: »

Debauchery.

Only at weekends! :pac:

idPlease wrote: »

It aint mossin who's been doing the spamming, i know he thought about it for another project but...someone came up with a better idea :rolleyes:;)

:eek: Are you for real? The only reason I couldn't email everyone was because the lecturer never answered our query, and we had to come up with an alternative!

ninty9er

idPlease wrote: »

It aint mossin who's been doing the spamming, i know he thought about it for another project but...someone came up with a better idea :rolleyes:;)

Oh it was a class rep...all I saw was "ULStudent: XXXXX.XXX..... and the first name and firs 3 letters of the second happen to be the same,abusing privelages:mad: F**ing Colin whateverhisnameis emailing me 5 times about some f*ing environmental talk....I tell you....he was smiling the other side of his face after he got 5 replies from me:D:D

Sabre0001

Mossin wrote: »

I'm majoring in Marketing, minor in Entrepreneurship..Thats why I started this thread.

That's the road I went down alright last year...Business plan is interesting - good luck with the financial section Hope ye have a person competent with accounts. Have ye got a "SurveyMonkey" survey up so people could give ye more official results?

Mossin

Sabre0001 wrote: »

That's the road I went down alright last year...Business plan is interesting - good luck with the financial section Hope ye have a person competent with accounts. Have ye got a "SurveyMonkey" survey up so people could give ye more official results?

Yeah its interesting alright...
We have an accountant on board, but as for his credentials, I'm not so sure :pac: Nah, he'll be grand!
We are doing face-to-face questionnaires, not using survery-monkey, cos I dont wanna be bombarding students/staff with emails.
Its extra work, but its ok.

@ The Don, the lighting wil be sufficient dont worry, I know what I'm doing:)

Burning Eclipse

Mossin wrote: »

Yeah its interesting alright...
We have an accountant on board, but as for his credentials, I'm not so sure :pac: Nah, he'll be grand!
We are doing face-to-face questionnaires, not using survery-monkey, cos I dont wanna be bombarding students/staff with emails.
Its extra work, but its ok.

@ The Don, the lighting wil be sufficient dont worry, I know what I'm doing:)

So, off topic from this thread. Which service are you doing for your products and services project

Mossin

Burning Eclipse wrote: »

So, off topic from this thread. Which service are you doing for your products and services project

Just because you asked so nicely, and brought the thread off topic, I'm doing Storm Cinema's....I've a bit of insider knowledge on Storm

I saw a project today from last year that was done on Storm, and it was ok, it got a B1.

Burning Eclipse

Mossin wrote: »

Just because you asked so nicely, and brought the thread off topic, I'm doing Storm Cinema's....I've a bit of insider knowledge on Storm

I saw a project today from last year that was done on Storm, and it was ok, it got a B1.

Ah, you'll be able to map out all that backstage interaction really well so! Good times!!

idPlease

@Mossin: does the accountant really have the correct credentials :D:p thank god he aint on boards!

@ Burning Eclipse: (off topic) any tips on those projects at all? from one marketer to another...:pac:

The Don

Burning Eclipse wrote: »

Ah, you'll be able to map out all that backstage interaction really well so! Good times!!

The vending machine escapades, comps, the Kerbings, but especially what Steve was wearing :D