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red tdi somene explain (warning, contains traces of nuts)

  • 22-09-2008 1:15pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 541
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    im new to motors and would love some info on red tdi's meaning

    is it worth paying extra for?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,538 niceirishfella
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    Yes, more power.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,496 Mr. Presentable
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    It's supposed to do with the HP of the engine. For example a base TDI Golf with no red would be 90bhp, one with a red I would be 100bhp and so forth. However, people and garages have been sticking red letters (and GT prefixes to the TDI) for so long now that it's an unreliable way of identifying the car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 690 VH
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    a red tdi badge is just that - a red tdi badge


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,378 jimmycrackcorm
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    It means it will run on Red Diesel (as in the North). :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,502 Zube
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    On the Golf it means:

    black tdi = fast
    red i = weapon
    red di = weapon of mass destruction
    red tdi = nuclear weapon


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 141 HPT
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    I used to drive a Golf TDI, I really miss it.

    It was a 130bhp model and it had a red DI. These engines are quite suitable for remapping. I had mine remapped to 170bhp.
    The TDI is 150bhp standard and you can always squeeze a bit more out of that too. ;)

    Edit:
    So to answer your original question ;) If you value the power then it's worth paying extra for the extra red letters as long as the car has the spec to match. The vehicle licensing certificate will quote the power in Kw, I think. Prob a good idea to make sure you get what you pay for.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,861 Henry Ford III
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    Zube wrote: »
    On the Golf it means:

    black tdi = fast
    red i = weapon
    red di = weapon of mass destruction
    red tdi = nuclear weapon

    :D Very good.

    p.s. These old engines are rough as a badgers arse. You get NVH thrown in for free.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 Ferris
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    The 130hp Tdi is probably the best compromise with regard to performance and reliability. they need the correct VW oil these 1.9 Tdi's so a good service history is desirable.

    As regards them being rough, they're a lot quieter from '02 on. My old one had great grunt, better than most diesels and better than my dad's 2L Tdi A6. I think i'd rather that over refinement. They're a reasonably quick car (not a rocketship but fun) and great for motorway driving but they're poor in the corners.


  • Posts: 3,620 [Deleted User]
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    Zube wrote: »
    On the Golf it means:

    black tdi = fast
    red i = weapon
    red di = weapon of mass destruction
    red tdi = nuclear weapon

    I assume that post is dripping with irony because golf diesels couldn't be accurately described as fast. No matter how many red letters or gt in front they have.
    Fast compared to SDI maybe ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 160 Dirty_Diesel
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    ronoc wrote: »
    golf diesels couldn't be accurately described as fast. No matter how many red letters or gt in front they have.

    You must be joking?

    I've witnessed TDI's embarrasing many cars over the years.
    My old B5.5 remapped passat vs turbo passats/golfs/boras/starbos/v-tecs/etc.
    My friends remapped golf vs s14/R32/scooby/evo/ITR/etc


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,290 Ferris
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    You must be joking?

    I've witnessed TDI's embarrasing many cars over the years.
    My old B5.5 remapped passat vs turbo passats/golfs/boras/starbos/v-tecs/etc.
    My friends remapped golf vs s14/R32/scooby/evo/ITR/etc

    I have to say that it would have been rare that a car would get away from my Golf. Like I said it was usually in the twisty's that it would have a problem.

    A 130hp Golf will be as quick as 80% of the cars on Irish roads, which is probably fast enough to get you into trouble. There are fellas running around in them trying to beat boxsters, m3's and scoobys however and thats just plain silly really.


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 17,861 Henry Ford III
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    You must be joking?

    I've witnessed TDI's embarrasing many cars over the years.
    My old B5.5 remapped passat vs turbo passats/golfs/boras/starbos/v-tecs/etc.
    My friends remapped golf vs s14/R32/scooby/evo/ITR/etc

    More to do with the ability of the drivers perhaps?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 254 ~Thalia~
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    I've a 130bhp 6 speed VW Passat TDI 2004. It is, a, ROCKET.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 51,363 bazz26
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    You must be joking?

    I've witnessed TDI's embarrasing many cars over the years.
    My old B5.5 remapped passat vs turbo passats/golfs/boras/starbos/v-tecs/etc.
    My friends remapped golf vs s14/R32/scooby/evo/ITR/etc

    No Veyron?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,550 Slig
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    Golfs are overpriced no matter how many red letters they have. I dont see why so many people fork out so much money for such a common car.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 690 VH
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    My friends remapped golf vs R32
    i've seen it all now:)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,125 lightening
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    I was toying with the idea of a diesel golf, so I test drove one with lots of red letters and was not impressed. It felt dog heavy, sluggish and handled badly. I was told it would be as good as a GTi. Its wasn't.


  • Posts: 3,620 [Deleted User]
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    You must be joking?

    I've witnessed TDI's embarrasing many cars over the years.
    My old B5.5 remapped passat vs turbo passats/golfs/boras/starbos/v-tecs/etc.
    My friends remapped golf vs s14/R32/scooby/evo/ITR/etc

    No dead serious.

    8.5 seconds to 60 is not that fast..

    What power was the remap putting out? Was it proven on a rolling road?

    I'm very dubious about those claims. a remapped TDI beating a Scooby and Evo. Give me a break:pac:
    They must have had their hand brakes on.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 363 cancan
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    You must be joking?

    I've witnessed TDI's embarrasing many cars over the years.
    My old B5.5 remapped passat vs turbo passats/golfs/boras/starbos/v-tecs/etc.
    My friends remapped golf vs s14/R32/scooby/evo/ITR/etc

    Pure comedic gold!
    There is a bit of a disconnect between how fast TDI's are and how fast their owners think they are.

    Go buy a proper fast car and come back to us.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,413 HashSlinging
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    I've a remapped 2.0 Tdi and I can "keep up" with a WRX till 160 thru the gears etc, coming off a round-about for e.g... after that its bye bye TDI.. . corners ...forget it.. although I bet if we were to continue driving I'd catch up. Soonn enough they would have to stop (after about 70 miles) to refil. HAHAHAHAAHA Unless it was a scoob with the air intakes, (in blue) which give an extra 1 mpg. If it has gold alloys its worth another 1 mpg..

    :rolleyes:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 504 ustari
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    in mk4s Ive always had the opinion that you have the sdi and the 110,130 and 150 tdi, the last two being six speeds. Am I right in saying this or am I missing out on an engine?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,393 Climate Expert
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    Ignore red d's and i's. Fairly meaningless for the most part.

    and yes a tdi golf with 150bhp is fast but like all these things its relative.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 GAR9999


    Re: The vehicle licensing certificate will quote the power in Kw, I think. Prob a good idea to make sure you get what you pay for.

    The power in KW is also stated on a sticker which can be found in the spare wheel well, 130 BHP is 96 KW I think.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,949 SouperComputer
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    The red letters mean nothing that can be relied upon nowadays, mainly because there's been so much messing around with them by VW, owners and importers.

    The acid test is to look at the engine code on the sticker in the spare wheelwell. Anything other than that is simply cosmetic.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,594 tossy
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    The colour of letters means nada!

    Diesel engines available in the golf/bora range were

    1 x SDI engine

    TDI engines were

    90 non pd

    110 non pd

    100 pd
    115 pd
    130 pd
    150 pd


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 Zonda999
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    tossy wrote: »
    The colour of letters means nada!

    Diesel engines available in the golf/bora range were

    1 x SDI engine

    TDI engines were

    90 non pd

    110 non pd

    100 pd
    115 pd
    130 pd
    150 pd

    May be looking at a golf in the not too distant future.I wonder would a 115 6 speed or a 110 5 speed be a better buy...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,534 SV
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    I've a remapped 2.0 Tdi and I can "keep up" with a WRX till 160 thru the gears etc, coming off a round-about for e.g... after that its bye bye TDI.. . corners ...forget it.. although I bet if we were to continue driving I'd catch up. Soonn enough they would have to stop (after about 70 miles) to refil. HAHAHAHAAHA Unless it was a scoob with the air intakes, (in blue) which give an extra 1 mpg. If it has gold alloys its worth another 1 mpg..

    :rolleyes:

    Jealousy is a terrible thing.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 12,808 Keano
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    I recently got a 1.9 TDI Golf (no red anything just plain TDI).

    It picks up nicely.

    It will never outrun a Subaru or an EVO but it does the job for me!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,594 tossy
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    Zonda999 wrote: »
    May be looking at a golf in the not too distant future.I wonder would a 115 6 speed or a 110 5 speed be a better buy...

    I would go for the PD 115 over the non pd anyday,not as economical but much smoother and generally a better engine.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 DJ Hafez
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    115bhp models are very very very hard to find. Have been lookin for one for ages because insurance on the 130bhp is out of my price range :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,533 Zonda999
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    tossy wrote: »
    I would go for the PD 115 over the non pd anyday,not as economical but much smoother and generally a better engine.

    I thought so alright but i would imagine that a 6 speed box would be a lot more to insure than a 5 speed.I'm under 25 if you're wondering....True about the engine itself, though.I think the pd's feel a lot more sprightly too
    DJ Hafez wrote: »
    115bhp models are very very very hard to find. Have been lookin for one for ages because insurance on the 130bhp is out of my price range :p

    Very true.The 115s i've looked at have all been Bora's.I quite like those as well.A lot less "predictable" than a golf, i think


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,487 Gerry
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    Savage, savage torque outta them. A lot of the recent problems ( mudslides etc ) on kerrys roads were actually due to tdi drivers flooring it at 1350rpm.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 94 tayto909
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    be wary of paying any extra for a red tdi.. if your prepared to part with a few extra €€€, speed-holes and/or go-faster-stripes are the areas you should spend your money on.


  • Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 10,581 Robbo
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    Gerry wrote: »
    Savage, savage torque outta them. A lot of the recent problems ( mudslides etc ) on kerrys roads were actually due to tdi drivers flooring it at 1350rpm.
    I heard that a remapped VAG TDI is powering the Large Hadron Collider.

    No danger from the black holes though, they can all safely be accommodated in the boot of an Octavia.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 74 cabbott
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    friend of mine has a 06 1.9 pd tdi 5 speed golf van remaped to a suspected 165bhp its torquey but not fast, it embarrised my calibra turbo 204 bhp standard through the gears, not much between them, mine suffers turbo lag, but when your talking speed tdis are not geared for doubling motorway speed limits.


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  • Moderators, Computer Games Moderators Posts: 7,943 Yakult
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    I've seen a remapped Golf Tdi beating Civic Sir's, Type R's, almera Gti's and evos.

    Some power in the yoke.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 DJ Hafez
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    R_H_C_P wrote: »
    I've seen a remapped Golf Tdi beating Civic Sir's, Type R's, almera Gti's and evos.

    Some power in the yoke.

    Aye, saw an anniversary model remapped to like 210 or 220 slaughter an evo.... crazily quick


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,235 Dave147
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    Dirty Diesel is spot on, the red DI passat's remap to about 170bhp, a friend of mine had his done and the speed of it was phenomenal, I've driven a 350z and this still felt fast.. The letters aren't meaningless if they are on correctly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,594 tossy
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    DJ Hafez wrote: »
    Aye, saw an anniversary model remapped to like 210 or 220 slaughter an evo.... crazily quick

    Was the evo going in reverse? which evo was it?


    as i said earlier i know of a few TDI golfs with serious work done to them i.e hybrid turbos,larger FMIC,bigger injectors etc that can hold their own against certain evo's up to a certain speed,but slaughtering one is a different story!

    You can't remap a 150 to 220 either,at least if you did it would most likely only get to "slaughter" one evo in its very short lifespan!

    Im not anti TDI at all,i think the are a fantastic engine will support the cause against the usual anti VW/TDI flack but when i hear talk about slaughtering EVOs etc i cringe!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,534 SV
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    No VW TDI beat an evo, don't care what anyone says.


    Jesus..some people really like to dream..


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 DJ Hafez
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    tossy wrote: »
    Was the evo going in reverse? which evo was it?

    Evo 6 afaik, 99 or 00? the golf had it off the line n kept the lead til a corner came :P i'd say the evo would have done it otherwise ;)

    Woman/dude with long hair was driving the evo too, but of course that should make NO difference :p


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 94 tayto909
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    my corsa car-van is 'mapped from 62.5 bhp, right the way up to 66.0 bhp and has been know to EAT starbos [non-turbo]etc.. on many an occasion. going to get a decat done this weekend and loiter around the lights for a evo, gtr etc..show them whats up.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 DJ Hafez
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    tayto909 wrote: »
    my corsa car-van is 'mapped from 62.5 bhp, right the way up to 66.0 bhp and has been know to EAT starbos [non-turbo]etc.. on many an occasion. going to get a decat done this weekend and loiter around the lights for a evo, gtr etc..show them whats up.

    Smooth :p Why does every thread turn into a VAG-diesel-bashing one!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,594 tossy
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    ok an evoVI puts out around 270bhp to 4 wheels,against a 220BHP diesel golf(im a bit dubious about that figure from a remap alone) to the front wheels,and the both pretty much weight the same.

    So lets say the pilot in the golf is quite decent and its dry and the pilot in the evo is useless and is caught napping when the light goes green,then i guess its possible that the might be close,even level but not slaughter like!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 94 tayto909
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    seriously though, i do drive a corsa carvan. i did the 'drill-the-airbox' mod one day and felt like a prat 5 mins later. i was only fooling myself. time to buy a comfortline 130bhp golf van, a nice re-map, and stop messing around.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,594 tossy
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    DJ Hafez wrote: »
    Smooth :p Why does every thread turn into a VAG-diesel-bashing one!

    because its boards and this is how they roll :cool:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,675 ronnie3585
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    tossy wrote: »
    because its boards and this is how they roll :cool:

    True that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 446 pppspecial
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    ive a mitsubishi evo 4 and a 150 bhp golf inmyshowroom and no tdi 8v will ever beat the evo. the 2.0tdimodels might glimmer asmallchance remapped.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 948 DJ Hafez
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    tossy wrote: »
    ok an evoVI puts out around 270bhp to 4 wheels,against a 220BHP diesel golf(im a bit dubious about that figure from a remap alone) to the front wheels,and the both pretty much weight the same.

    So lets say the pilot in the golf is quite decent and its dry and the pilot in the evo is useless and is caught napping when the light goes green,then i guess its possible that the might be close,even level but not slaughter like!

    Golf was anni model, ur man claimed it was over 200bhp, said he bought it at 180bhp standard, even tho i dont think it even comes above 150? (im jus relayin info)... got staight off the mark, accelerated perfectly, evo had front wheels where the golfs back were, when the evo changed gears, evo dropped further back, went for it again and the "race" was over.... if it was 100m longer the evo would have definetly won, but it shows how a diesel can actually go somewhere.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,594 tossy
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    pppspecial wrote: »
    ive a mitsubishi evo 4 and a 150 bhp golf inmyshowroom and no tdi 8v will ever beat the evo. the 2.0tdimodels might glimmer asmallchance remapped.

    A 150 remapped and a 2.0TDI remapped = the same result around 200bhp and mountains of torque,but no EVO beater.

    All TDI's will be putting out a little more as standard so its not unknown for a 150 to be putting out 180 standard,it still wont remap to 220.The only advantage (over a standard golf) it would have by being an anni is better stopping power and slightly lower suspension,not real evo beating qualities.

    Again im not knocking TDI's my last car was a TDI golf and i loved it,but i knew its limitations.


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