Libertas ....Government to order a big clamp down on where parties get their funding.

Run_to_da_hills

Libertas will have to come clean over campaign funding and where they are getting their cash. After speculation it is estimated that they spent up to 1 million on the NO Lisbon campaign. Appaerentl under current law a political party dose not have to disclose where and how much they are spending on their political campaign.

Is this now a classic case of "sore loser" on behalf of the Yes campaigners that cant bite the bullet and accept the fact that the Irish population don't want the European Constitution. This type of carry on will only give further strength and support to these parties.

http://www.independent.ie/national-news/libertas-will-have-to-come-clean-over-campaign-funds-1478186.html

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Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Libertas will have to come clean over campaign funding and where they are getting their cash. After speculation it is estimated that they spent up to 1 million on the NO Lisbon campaign. Appaerentl under current law a political party dose not have to disclose where and how much they are spending on their political campaign.

Is this now a classic case of "sore looser" on behalf of the Yes campaigners that cant bite the bullet and accept the fact that the Irish population don't want the European Constitution. This type of carry on will only give further strength and support to these parties.

Or is it a classic case of boring thread syndrome?


EDIT: Seriously though lads, take it to a forum where somebody actually gives a sh1t.

Please.

BroomBurner

I think it's a great idea! Watch the government setting up a law to catch others out then be caught themselves, just like the planning tribunals, etc.

Cookie_Monster

I thought law could not be back dated? So surely they only have to explain their funding going forward and not to do with Lisbon?

Insect Overlord

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Is this now a classic case of "sore looser" on behalf of the Yes campaigners that cant bite the bullet and accept the fact that the Irish population don't want the European Constitution. This type of carry on will only give further strength and support to these parties.

There's only one "o" in loser,
One "o" in loser,
One "o" in loooooserrrrr!*

On a serious note, how do you keep coming up with so many anti-government policy threads?

*apart from this one...

Ciaran500

How do you get "big clamp down" from a law the means you have to disclose where you got the money from?

Run_to_da_hills

An Fhile wrote: »

On a serious note, how do you keep coming up with so many anti-government policy threads?

*apart from this one...

Could you rephrase that question, IE. On a serious note, how do you keep coming up with so many anti-government "suppression" policy threads? Its obviously you don't go out on the town

Dinter

How is more transperancy a bad thing?

Tbh this is long overdue.

Dinner

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

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Is this now a classic case of "sore loser" on behalf of the Yes campaigners that cant bite the bullet and accept the fact that the Irish population don't want the European Constitution. This type of carry on will only give further strength and support to these parties.

Would you rather not know where parties got their funding? Or is this a special case because you happen to agree with the group that will be affected?

Run_to_da_hills

Dinter wrote: »

How is more transperancy a bad thing?

Tbh this is long overdue.

As someone else mentioned it might come back and haunt the very ones that impose it. How willl they go about assessing where the funds come from. It will be impossible to audit cash donations from the public.

The only way I could see this work effectively is by auditing donations made through the EFT system.

Insect Overlord

Arabel wrote: »

Would you rather not know where parties got their funding? Or is this a special case because you happen to agree with the group that will be affected?

+1

By your reasoning OP, Bertie Ahern's personal finances should remain his business alone, and that funding should be fine no matter how it is acquired.

Run_to_da_hills

Arabel wrote: »

Would you rather not know where parties got their funding? Or is this a special case because you happen to agree with the group that will be affected?

Its more so for the fact that this party was behind a particular campaign that won. if it had lost would the government still want to know where it was getting its funding from?.

Sengoku79

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Libertas will have to come clean over campaign funding and where they are getting their cash. After speculation it is estimated that they spent up to 1 million on the NO Lisbon campaign. Appaerentl under current law a political party dose not have to disclose where and how much they are spending on their political campaign.

Emm Libertas are not a political party so surely this would not apply?

Dinter

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

As someone else mentioned it might come back and haunt the very ones that impose it.

Yes, I could see that happening. That's what's most attractive about the idea.

I think any political party should have to show the scales and balances that are held over them when they are supposed to be representing the great unwashed.

In all fairness if I gave money to someone that helped them to get a nice, well paid, secure job and then later on I want a favour from them I think I could make a case for them being in my debt.

Dinner

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its more so for the fact that this party was behind a particular campaign that won. if it had lost would the government still want to know where it was getting its funding from?.

I would and I'm sure some people in government would. Any organisation involved in political activity should disclose where they got their funding.

So regardless off whether this is the government 'getting their own back' or not, it's a positive step. So do you support this move by the government?

Run_to_da_hills

Dinter wrote: »

Yes, I could see that happening. That's what's most attractive about the idea.

I think any political party should have to show the scales and balances that are held over them when they are supposed to be representing the great unwashed.

In all fairness if I gave money to someone that helped them to get a nice, well paid, secure job and then later on I want a favour from them I think I could make a case for them being in my debt.

I am not at all against the government insisting on where the funding comes from on any campaign but on this case the timing couldn't be worse. This is what this thread is about.

Dinter

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its more so for the fact that this party was behind a particular campaign that won. if it had lost would the government still want to know where it was getting its funding from?.

As someone who voted no without needing the dire warnings and grave misgivings of Libertas, I'd be pretty interested in a Completely Indepth Account of where they got their funding from too.

carlybabe1

that fookin fat fu*k Brian Knob head cowen..... will keep pushin the yes vote as long as possibl....am i the only one who feels lately that our politicians are ignorin us????I mean, bertie was voted back in ffs an they still managed to get rid of him an put in that fat fooker....asshole will have the country on its knees in 6 mths, but I doubt his fat head will get any smaller, he'll still be stuffin his ugly face in the best resteraunts..... cnut.....:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

togster

Brian Cowen

Run_to_da_hills

carlybabe1 wrote: »

that fookin fat fu*k Brian Knob head cowen..... will keep pushin the yes vote as long as possibl....am i the only one who feels lately that our politicians are ignorin us????I mean, bertie was voted back in ffs an they still managed to get rid of him an put in that fat fooker....asshole will have the country on its knees in 6 mths, but I doubt his fat head will get any smaller, he'll still be stuffin his ugly face in the best resteraunts..... cnut.....:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

No need for slander :pac::pac:

Sengoku79 wrote: »

Emm Libertas are not a political party so surely this would not apply?

EMM, Don't speak too soon. http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/opinion/2008/0919/1221690003218.html

seamus

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Its more so for the fact that this party was behind a particular campaign that won. if it had lost would the government still want to know where it was getting its funding from?.

Why wouldn't they?

More importantly, at the start of their campaign, Libertas were challenged on the funding issue. They said that everything was above board and that a full breakdown of their funding would be handed over in time.

Now that it's become abundantly clear that Libertas were purely serving American military interests, Ganly has seen fit to keep quiet about their funding.

They can't be forced now to show the details, but if they want any credibility, they'll need to come clear. It's ridiculously hypocritical of Ganly and Libertas to spend months claiming that Lisbon wasn't tranparent or clear, and then not apply the same standards of transparency to their own organisation.

If I had supported Libertas I'd certainly want to know where the money came from.

krpc

I'm more interested where Bertie got all his money at the moment. I don't think any external organisation can be expected to be upfront and honest when the man at the top was and is so unwilling to lead by example re: monetary transparency.

I say, sort out Bertie first and then sort out the rest.

dlofnep

Let's start with where Fianna Fail get their funding.

utick

http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhqlidmhkfcw/

'no decision on how lisbon will be passed' , but evidently they are gonna continue to try and force it through, weather by legislation or a second vote

Dinter

utick wrote: »

http://breakingnews.ie/ireland/mhqlidmhkfcw/

'no decision on how lisbon will be passed' , but evidently they are gonna continue to try and force it through, weather by legislation or a second vote

Would that scrawny sack of sh1t ever crawl back into his fuking environmentally sound tree house and have a **** over the possibility of introducing carbon tax or his new ten speed racer and stop meddling in Political affairs that he has little or no understanding of.

Stupid, useless cnut has the iron clad morals of a starving, strung out prozzie.

thelordofcheese

carlybabe1 wrote: »

that fookin fat fu*k Brian Knob head cowen..... will keep pushin the yes vote as long as possibl....am i the only one who feels lately that our politicians are ignorin us????I mean, bertie was voted back in ffs an they still managed to get rid of him an put in that fat fooker....asshole will have the country on its knees in 6 mths, but I doubt his fat head will get any smaller, he'll still be stuffin his ugly face in the best resteraunts..... cnut.....:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

You know, this kind of rage can't be good for you.
Relax, breath, be calm
And once that's done go look for your missing keyboard keys.

EdgarAllenPoo

I can't shake the feeling that Declan Ganley would make a great Bond villian, questionable (near imeasurable)funds and a taste for politics. If he doesn't have a fluffy white cat or secret lair under an artificial lake I'll be very surprised.

Biggins

I find it funny that those that have been shown time and time again to be morally corrupt, are wanting to investigate their opposition!

Talk about hypocrisy ...as well as another way of silencing any opposition.

While the Irish people sleepwalks through this being allowed as well, its just another example of the country gone to the dogs, being run by the dogs.

old boy

tis easy figure it out, the f.f.rs need to know who is funding ganley and co, so they can ask them to tank em

towel401

this wouldnt be a bad idea

i, for one would love to know where those FF scummers get all their money from.

thebman

carlybabe1 wrote: »

that fookin fat fu*k Brian Knob head cowen..... will keep pushin the yes vote as long as possibl....am i the only one who feels lately that our politicians are ignorin us????I mean, bertie was voted back in ffs an they still managed to get rid of him an put in that fat fooker....asshole will have the country on its knees in 6 mths, but I doubt his fat head will get any smaller, he'll still be stuffin his ugly face in the best resteraunts..... cnut.....:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Okay so you supported Bertie? How about Charlie?

Seriously don't understand saying you'd prefer politicians we know are corrupt over ones we only suspect to be corrupt.

humanji

Biggins wrote: »

I find it funny that those that have been shown time and time again to be morally corrupt, are wanting to investigate their opposition!

Talk about hypocrisy ...as well as another way of silencing any opposition.

While the Irish people sleepwalks through this being allowed as well, its just another example of the country gone to the dogs, being run by the dogs.

Wait, so you don't want parties to show where they get their funding?

tritium

so let me get this right

People who criticise the government as a big brother style, underhanded regime lacking in transparency are now complaining because the government wants to bring in a law that makes them more transparent......

And they wonder why people don't want to be in their gang.....

Run_to_da_hills

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Is this now a classic case of "sore loser" on behalf of the Yes campaigners that cant bite the bullet and accept the fact that the Irish population don't want the European Constitution. This type of carry on will only give further strength and support to these parties.

No. It's a case of smart people who know what's for the country getting back at a campaign that used blatent lies and scare tactics to fool a nation.

colly10

elviscostello wrote: »

Or is it a classic case of boring thread syndrome?


EDIT: Seriously though lads, take it to a forum where somebody actually gives a sh1t.

Please.

Maybe a boring thread but if it bores you to tears then why the hell do ye click on it. I don't get some people, do they be thinking mmm a boring thread, sure i'll open it anyway, it will give me a chance to complain about the boring content

towel401

Deleted User wrote: »

No. It's a case of smart people who know what's for the country getting back at a campaign that used blatent lies and scare tactics to fool a nation.

oh **** not this whole lisbon thing again.

towel401

towel401 wrote: »

oh **** not this whole lisbon thing again.

actually yea.. not postin anythin more on it :P old news

colly10

towel401 wrote: »

oh **** not this whole lisbon thing again.

+1 - Got a week ban from the EU forum at the time cause it was winding me up, I still havn't had the ban lifted, going to keep it that way cause all that Lisbon **** drove me nuts

Run_to_da_hills

Deleted User wrote: »

No. It's a case of smart people who know what's for the country getting back at a campaign that used blatent lies and scare tactics to fool a nation.

It takes two to tango.

The only draw back in the next Lisbon run up is that the YES side has the power to censor. :pac:

Biggins

Lets get this straight. The F.Fail shower wants everyone else to say where their money is coming from but they won't themselves (unless forced to by court order - and even then they won't tell the truth) say where their own money in brown\white\whatever envelopes is coming from!

Nope, till the back-stabbing crooks are all dead and rotten only to be replaced by a whole more whiter shower, they can roast in hell before I tell them frak all.
Besides, they are bugging the crap out of us anyway and monitoring us now in so many ways, let them do their own homework - they are doing it anyway, why should we make their life easier for them?

Frak them all!

Boggle

Set it up in such a manner that (as a matter of course) every political party has to declare their spending and funding sources 2 weeks before any election and/or referendum and that will be fine.

Bitching about where Libertas got the money to "dare" oppose the mighty "fat bast@rd" while at the same time not disclosing their own funding is extremely pathetic and typical of Fine Failure.

Run_to_da_hills

Ginley given a week to show his cards:

News at 6 this evening........

Gareth37

I assume that the Lisbon treaty will make baby killing legal, if we pass it?
http://www.abortionno.org/ - shows abortion/baby murder

javaboy

Gareth37 wrote: »

I assume that the Lisbon treaty will make baby killing legal, if we pass it?
http://www.abortionno.org/ - shows abortion/baby murder

You assume incorrectly.

Gareth37

javaboy wrote: »

You assume incorrectly.

I can just see it now. You walk down the street and see all the shops, McDonalds, Easons, Paddy Power, Dunnes Stores and the Low Cost Kill Your Defenceless Baby shop

utick

i thought libertas didnt have to disclose their funding because they werent a political party during the lisbon campeign, although it sounds like they are becoming a party so im assuming disclosure of funds is not something they are concerned about.

ShooterSF

Run_to_da_hills wrote: »

Ginley given a week to show his cards:

News at 6 this evening........

Missed this. And i realise im taking RTDH as a news source so if it's true surely the law cant be passed retrospectively so he still doesnt have to show funding before the law was passed.

Also when do all the TD's announce all their donations and finances? Is it the same week?

Run_to_da_hills

ShooterSF wrote: »

Missed this. And i realise im taking RTDH as a news source so if it's true surely the law cant be passed retrospectively so he still doesnt have to show funding before the law was passed.

It will be on the 9.00PM, also Primetime.

With the current pressure the Government is under to shove this EU pact down our throats they will move the goal posts foreword if they had to to silence this guy.

ShooterSF wrote: »

Also when do all the TD's announce all their donations and finances? Is it the same week?

No why should they?

Its not revelant to the EU constitution.

ejmaztec

They all get their money from various franchises set up for political purposes. There's Brown Envelope plc, Back-Hander plc and Hughscratchmeback plc, for starters.

Run_to_da_hills

Intresting Prime time doc, The Propaganda battle is only beginning on this guy.

ninebeanrows

Declan Ganley is a scarily capable man, he is a highly intelligent and highly charming man.

He is a dangerous man, the guy really, honestly scares the hell out of me.

You could not win an argument with him but i would still know i was right, i really fear that the guy could brainwash alot of people.

His rise into Irish politics however must be stopped before we really get a back round check on the dude.

My personal opinion is that he is dangerously capable man who could really take hold of alot of the electorate to the detriment of Ireland.

Stay away from this guy folks.