Reporting people with no tax?

Tragedy

I was minding my own business reading a book in my room when I hear some scumbag a few houses down my street laughing about how he hasnt had tax for 4months and isnt bothering to renew it.

Later I was behind him as he left the estate and his rear lights werent working either.

Anyone know how(or if there's even a point) to report someone for having no tax on a car that's being used?

DaveyGem

Tragedy wrote: »

I was minding my own business reading a book in my room when I hear some scumbag a few houses down my street laughing about how he hasnt had tax for 4months and isnt bothering to renew it.

Later I was behind him as he left the estate and his rear lights werent working either.

Anyone know how(or if there's even a point) to report someone for having no tax on a car that's being used?

Blow your whistle?


Seriously though, if you were going to report him then surely your first port of call would be the Gardai.....

DM-BM

What's it to you if he doesn't tax his car ?

Maybe you should mind your own business!

L1011

DM-BM wrote: »

What's it to you if he doesn't tax his car ?

Maybe you should mind your own business!

Defrauding the state of revenue = directly defrauding every tax payer in the country.

The Guards would be the people to call about this and his lights.

Tipsy Mac

If he's not insured I'd report him, not taxed I wouldn't give a flying fcuk

The rear light not working is a classic example of why Gardai need number plate recognition systems in all their cars, this would spot the car not being taxed and when pulled over a wealth of other problems would be spotted like perhaps no NCT, non road worthy car etc..

eringobragh

Let the guards do their job, they've enough to be doing than investigating busy bodies like yourself reporting your neighbours. He'll be caught in his own time.

L1011

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

If he's not insured I'd report him, not taxed I wouldn't give a flying fcuk

The rear light not working is a classic example of why Gardai need number plate recognition systems in all their cars, this would spot the car not being taxed and when pulled over a wealth of other problems would be spotted like perhaps no NCT, non road worthy car etc..

No NCT would also be caught by a competent ANPR system... as would no insurance on the vehicle (but obviously not the driver!).

Mena

eringobragh wrote: »

Let the guards do their job, they've enough to be doing than investigating busy bodies like yourself reporting your neighbours. He'll be caught in his own time.

And during that time he could well jam brakes in the dead of night, with no lights mind, and end up killing someone...

(granted the OP said rear lights, not brake lights, literary license :pac: )

Tragedy

So just call the local Garda station and give them the details? Thanks MYOB

Why should anyone be allowed to get off without motor tax? I pay it, most other people pay it, why exactly should anyone get away without paying it? Same for NCT/Insurance or keeping their car in a safe condition.

Heathen

yea i agree, if he had no insurance id be worried, but no tax? i wouldent be worried, hell if i had no conscience id not be paying tax either, i have spent over 1500 euro alone in the last year replacing shocks and CV joints cos of the state of the roads.. why should i have to pay another 350 quid a year for the privilege of driving on the roads that caused it? :eek:

eringobragh

Mena wrote: »

And during that time he could well jam brakes in the dead of night, with no lights mind, and end up killing someone...

(granted the OP said rear lights, not brake lights, literary license :pac: )

ALthough OP mentioned the lights his query was reporting for no tax

Tragedy wrote: »

Anyone know how(or if there's even a point) to report someone for having no tax on a car that's being used?

Elfish

Squeeler

mikemac

The government needs €8 billion to balance the books so every scrap of tax is needed, thanks OP

I definitly report someone for no insurance. Not so sure about no tax but hey, your choice

Mena

eringobragh wrote: »

ALthough OP mentioned the lights his query was reporting for no tax

He did, however, also mention the lights, so I thought it prudent, since nobody else picked up on it, to expand on it.

Thanks.

Dave147

I'm having a hard time understanding how you were minding your own business? They're not 'getting away with it'. I hate this whinge about "I pay my tax why shouldn't they pay theirs?" They do HAVE to pay it, they just haven't been caught.. If you want to take that risk be my guest, save you bitching about it.


Disclaimer: I have a serious issue with road tax, I have spent double what I pay on road tax on shocks for my car due to our roads being so bad. I pay it, and pay it and get nothing back. Think I'll take a leaf out of your 'scumbag' neighbours book and cheat the system for awhile, you could report me in advance?

Tipsy Mac

micmclo wrote: »

The government needs €8 billion to balance the books so every scrap of tax is needed, thanks OP

Yes, especially the way they spend the money so wastefully, they need lots, lots, more of it :mad:

The motorist pays double in taxes from VRT, VAT, road tax and fuel duty than is actually spent on our roads.

eringobragh

Tipsy Mac wrote: »

Yes, especially the way they spend the money so wastefully, they need lots, lots, more of it :mad:

The motorist pays double in taxes from VRT, VAT, road tax and fuel duty than is actually spent on our roads.

Not too mention some of the best roads in the country have tolls more ways to rape the irish motorist.

L1011

Oddly enough, I'm nearly certain the same people telling people to mind their own business, calling them squealers, etc would be the first person to bitch that 'this country has gone to the dogs' when they clearly have no concept of civic responsibility in the first place

eringobragh - care to pay the PPP road builders for those roads now, out of cash we don't have then? We didn't pay for those roads to begin with, the tolls are to pay for them. Simple maths.

BoardsRanger

OP- perhaps look for a hobby to occupy your spare time.

Tragedy

Dave147 wrote: »

I'm having a hard time understanding how you were minding your own business?

Because I wasn't going around looking at peoples tax discs, I was reading in my bedroom when some guy down the road was talking loudly enough for me to hear him and laughing about it.

If you cant see the difference, then you probably shouldnt post anymore as I dont think you can add anything worthwhile.

They're not 'getting away with it'. I hate this whinge about "I pay my tax why shouldn't they pay theirs?" They do HAVE to pay it, they just haven't been caught.. If you want to take that risk be my guest, save you bitching about it.

Actually, whether I pay tax or not is irrelevant.

Disclaimer: I have a serious issue with road tax, I have spent double what I pay on road tax on shocks for my car due to our roads being so bad. I pay it, and pay it and get nothing back. Think I'll take a leaf out of your 'scumbag' neighbours book and cheat the system for awhile, you could report me in advance?

Who gives a **** if you have an issue with road tax? You run a car, you pay it. No ifs or buts.
You have a problem with it, start an action group or complain to your TD. You still pay your tax or dont use a car.

It's called duty and responsibility, this country would be a far better place to live in if more people understood those concepts.

Guy:Incognito

Dave147 wrote: »

Disclaimer: I have a serious issue with road tax, I have spent double what I pay on road tax on shocks for my car due to our roads being so bad. I pay it, and pay it and get nothing back. Think I'll take a leaf out of your 'scumbag' neighbours book and cheat the system for awhile, you could report me in advance?

Dont pay your road tax so. The government dont really care. They collect motor tax.

Nowhere (most of all the name) does it state the money is ringfenced for roadbuilding.

eringobragh

MYOB wrote: »

eringobragh - care to pay the PPP road builders for those roads now, out of cash we don't have then? We didn't pay for those roads to begin with, the tolls are to pay for them. Simple maths.

I understand that but surely after say hmm 17 years of tolling a certain bridge for example its time to shut shop there..No?

Guy:Incognito

eringobragh wrote: »

I understand that but surely after say hmm 17 years of tolling a certain bridge for example its time to shut shop there..No?

Ask the French. They have the biggest network of Tolls I've comes acrosss while driving coupled with a population that protest if it rains when they dont want it too. Yet tolls are fine there.

L1011

eringobragh wrote: »

I understand that but surely after say hmm 17 years of tolling a certain bridge for example its time to shut shop there..No?

The contracts have specified expiry times on them. The West Link is an entirely different issue due to the... strange way its been handled.

prodigal_son

The state of the roads damaged my car too, and i often have to pay to go on the roads anyway due to a toll. But fair is fair and i pay my tax.

I would never report anyone for this, but if they were flaunting the fact they dont pay, then they deserve to be reported..

Cookie_Monster

Tragedy wrote: »

It's called duty and responsibility, this country would be a far better place to live in if more people understood those concepts.

+1

staker

I'd report it OP.
He'd report you if you stole money from his wallet.

VH

Stekelly wrote: »

Ask the French. They have the biggest network of Tolls I've comes acrosss while driving coupled with a population that protest if it rains when they dont want it too. Yet tolls are fine there.

or ask the brits - they have thousands of miles of toll free motorways

Guy:Incognito

VH wrote: »

or ask the brits - they have thousands of miles of toll free motorways

I got hit for stg4.80 (iirc) on the M1 toll near Birmingham when Iwas collecting my car.

Alun

Stekelly wrote: »

I got hit for stg4.80 (iirc) on the M1 toll near Birmingham when Iwas collecting my car.

That would be the M6 Toll.

audismelly

Tragedy wrote: »

I was minding my own business reading a book in my room when I hear some scumbag a few houses down my street laughing about how he hasnt had tax for 4months and isnt bothering to renew it.

Later I was behind him as he left the estate and his rear lights werent working either.

Anyone know how(or if there's even a point) to report someone for having no tax on a car that's being used?

have you ever exceeded the speed limit in your life? if you have then report yourself when your there, the law is the law.
if not your to be admired.

Tragedy

audismelly wrote: »

have you ever exceeded the speed limit in your life? if you have then report yourself when your there, the law is the law.
if not your to be admired.

You're not comparing like for like.

Have you ever eaten a grape in a supermarket and not paid for it? If not you should be locked up for 20years like armed robbers.

One day you'll figure out why the GOOD guards are ones who dont write up every minor offence, are willing to give informal cautions, or let things slide when there's a very good reason to.

PS: I've never exceeded the speed limit (I'm still on first provisional, no way in hell I'm taking ANY chances. If I felt it was unsafe to follow the speed limit as a full driver, I would break the speed limit in a heartbeat and hope that if caught I was caught my someone with an ounce of cop-on. I'd pay the fine and take the points though.)

audismelly

Tragedy wrote: »

You're not comparing like for like.

Have you ever eaten a grape in a supermarket and not paid for it? If not you should be locked up for 20years like armed robbers.

PS: I've never exceeded the speed limit

no i havent eaten a grape in a supermarket.
why would you get 20years for not eating a grape?

think you have been eating a few hash grapes:D

my advice is get double glazing and finish your book.

Tragedy

audismelly wrote: »

no i havent eaten a grape in a supermarket.
why would you get 20years for not eating a grape?

think you have been eating a few hash grapes:D

my advice is get double glazing and finish your book.

Why would I report myself for speeding because I reported someone for having no tax?

It's called a non-sequitur, I think you should read a dictionary while I get double glazing.

nice1franko

Tragedy wrote: »

I was minding my own business reading a book in my room when I hear some scumbag a few houses down my street laughing about how he hasnt had tax for 4months and isnt bothering to renew it.

LOL @ that preface... doesn't half you make you sound like a weasely busybody.

If you want to grass him up then have the balls to ring up. What are you looking for? A url like www.GrassYouNeighboursUp.ie/motortax so you can just tap in address and watch the gardai arrive through your netted curtains?

BTW, if it were one of your non-scumbag neighbours would you call the authorities?

audismelly

Tragedy wrote: »

Why would I report myself for speeding because I reported someone for having no tax?

It's called a non-sequitur, I think you should read a dictionary while I get double glazing.

sorry i just have kids dictionary coulnt find non-sequitur
it did have a few words..........the rat ,nosey parker, busy body.:cool:

L1011

audismelly wrote: »

sorry i just have kids dictionary coulnt find non-sequitur
it did have a few words..........the rat ,nosey parker, busy body.:cool:

One very accurate for you, "child".

Guy:Incognito

Alun wrote: »

That would be the M6 Toll.

Yep. That one too.:)

audismelly

MYOB wrote: »

One very accurate for you, "child".

who are you his mammy?

Heathen

Heathen wrote: »

yea i agree, if he had no insurance id be worried, but no tax? i wouldent be worried, hell if i had no conscience id not be paying tax either, i have spent over 1500 euro alone in the last year replacing shocks and CV joints cos of the state of the roads.. why should i have to pay another 350 quid a year for the privilege of driving on the roads that caused it? :eek:

bah i have had buckled wheels and that crap too

but the worst was when like a good boy i taxed the car for a year, then 6 months later had serious engine trouble and it was off the roads for almost a year after as i bought a second car and worked on it myself at weekends totally reconditioning the engine.

There is no way of claiming back the road tax you already paid once you pay it. In my eyes now the state owes me 6 months road tax for a 2litre.
I know this wont stand up in court and I havent yet tried to go without tax since but its wrong.

Also to the vrt customs thread to all those against the guys who havent paid yet..... it was an illegal tax. Because we love to rat each other rather than stand united to make things better for us all things wont change.

Guy:Incognito

Tragedy wrote: »

One day you'll figure out why the GOOD guards are ones who dont write up every minor offence, are willing to give informal cautions, or let things slide when there's a very good reason to.

The problem with that is that in somewhere like Dublin, with a lot of Gards, the same person gets warnings for the same minor thing 5 o6 times because they always see different gards. therefore they never bother doing anythign about it (the "isolated" speeding, illegal numb er plates). It's not the same as a small town where there the same 3 or 4 gards all the time.

The minor things should be logged on Pulse or similar, then if the same minor offence starts popping up repeatedly, a punishment should occur.

Deleted User wrote: »

Also to the vrt customs thread to all those against the guys who havent paid yet..... it was an illegal tax. .

Jesus this little treasure again. No it's not.

L1011

audismelly wrote: »

who are you his mammy?

As I said.

When you can participate in a grown-ups conversation, come back to us.

Stekelly

Stekelly wrote: »

The problem with that is that in somewhere like Dublin, with a lot of Gards, the same person gets warnings for the same minor thing 5 o6 times because they always see different gards. therefore they never bother doing anythign about it (the "isolated" speeding, illegal numb er plates). It's not the same as a small town where there the same 3 or 4 gards all the time.

The minor things should be logged on Pulse or similar, then if the same minor offence starts popping up repeatedly, a punishment should occur.

or we could pay a fuel tax and get rid of annual motor tax and have the Gardai do some real policing rather than have them out tax collecting

crosstownk

Yeah - we all have our opinions on tolls, VRT, VAT, duty on fuel, fines, etc, etc. Forget the opinions - the law is the law whether you like it or not. If I pay road tax (I don't, my employer does) then why should someone else not? Fair point, but we have Gardaí for policing this. If the OP wants to do something about it then, yes, inform the Gardaí.

Personally, for road tax I wouldn't be arsed calliing the Garda station - I might consider it for no insurance.

But if the offender in the original post is driving around with lights not working, he'll be more obvious to the Gardaí as the nights get shorter........ It'll catch up with him eventually and if he does get stopped/caught then that's the end of 'getting the form signed' and he'll be liable for all the arrears and possibly a fine and a compound release charge. I know all about it as I had to pay it years ago when I was caught and had the car impounded.

Guy:Incognito

Deleted User wrote: »

or we could pay a fuel tax and get rid of annual motor tax and have the Gardai do some real policing rather than have them out tax collecting

The Uk have higher fuel tax AND they still have motor tax. Motor tax is somethign thats not going away.

If everyone paid theres then the gardai wouldnt have to check.

audismelly

MYOB wrote: »

As I said.

When you can participate in a grown-ups conversation, come back to us.

dont worry wont be having one with you.
just browsing this thread ,its probably a mickeytake anyway

im here to learn things about cars from guys like audichris,bazz26,colmc etc not argue over whether some bookworm is going to tell the gards he heard a bold man talking about breaking the law

nitey nite :pac:

Mickk

Tragedy wrote: »

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PS: I've never exceeded the speed limit (I'm still on first provisional, no way in hell I'm taking ANY chances. If I felt it was unsafe to follow the speed limit as a full driver, I would break the speed limit in a heartbeat and hope that if caught I was caught my someone with an ounce of cop-on. I'd pay the fine and take the points though.)

Would you admit to driving without a full lisenced driver with you?

peasant

What a dreadful thread ...

bazz26

astraboy

Tragedy wrote: »

It's called duty and responsibility, this country would be a far better place to live in if more people understood those concepts.

Interesting concept, if only our lords and saviors in power could do the same, and perhaps give us a decent road network equal to the taxes payed? We all no complaining to our TD's won't do anything, they are not actually going to lower road tax. In most other areas, one can choose to select another product if the one you are using is poor quality or overpriced. The Irish road network is both, and the Gov have a monopoly on the motorist.

Saying things like "its unfair but you have to pay it" is a cop out from the real issue.

OP, might I suggest you go away and get a life and worry about your own tax?:P

Tragedy

Mickk wrote: »

Would you admit to driving without a full lisenced driver with you?

That would be the reason I've been on the roads ten times in six months despite having my own car, insurance and tax. So far it's cost me approx €2500 in tax/insurance/depreciation for about 8 hours use. And I'm not that well off

I've taken absolutely NO chances driving. Maybe I'll loosen up when I get my full license(3 more weeks\o/), maybe not.

The reason for the thread was:

1) I figured there was a good chance guards wouldnt care.
2) If 1) wasnt true, I thought there was a good chance there would be a special department to ring.

@nice1franko, the reason I classed him a scumbag was because he was openly laughing about having no tax and no intention of paying it. That might make him a crusading White Knight for the plights of poor embattled motorists everywhere to you, it doesn't to me.

@astraboy: I dont think you understand how taxes work. Where taxes and income for the government come from has little or no relevance on where it's spent. Why exactly should income on motorists only be spent on motor related expenses? Of course it could be more equitable(I like the English system of lower road tax and higher fuel costs), but it is of no import. Money comes from various places into a big pot, money goes out to various places from the big pot. What you say about motor tax could as well be applied to VAT/PAYE. We dont get to choose competing products(like that makes sense?).