Overpriced & Underwhelming

Mr.David

Right. So what cars do you see and just think "wow what an idiot. why on earth did he spend all that money on that heap of sh*t". Basically expensive cars that you feel cannot justify their price tag.

I'll start the ball rolling with what could be a controversial one. The Bentley Conti GT, total bore of a car. What a waste of money.:eek:

Max_Damage

Any car over €5,000 IMO.

At the end of the day, it a heap of metal with 4 wheels that gets you from point A to B.

maidhc

Maybach!

jaycen

M Class Merc, offensively expensive and rated by every journo as rubbish on and off road, why buy?

Note: not a shot at the 4x4 brigade (I have 2).

Cookie_Monster

New Avensis, will underwhelm everyone, not just those who buy it:)

Darragh29

Any car that starts with BM...! I have to laugh at anyone who drives a BM, especially the drivers of 01/02/03 BM's, with the "I'm driving a BM that is worth less than a second hand Micra", gimp on them as they look around them continually to see if anyone else notices that they are driving a BM, FFS! :D:D

Darragh29

Max_Damage wrote: »

Any car over €5,000 IMO.

At the end of the day, it a heap of metal with 4 wheels that gets you from point A to B.

+1. Also Range Rover jeeps driven by D18 loo-laa's with tinted windows.

Zube

jaycen wrote: »

M Class Merc,

4. Base model Audi A3s: buy a real Golf and save thousands

3. Merc CLC: pig in lipstick, and a very old pig too.

2. Dodge: they can't even sell these in the States anymore

but the winner is the:

1. Ssangyong Odious: You spent €40K on the ugliest car in the world, ever?

Cookie_Monster

Q7, if you want a tank just buy a tank:D

Mr.David

Oh I've another one....

Lexus SC430.

What an utter and completely unbelievable shi*box.

Juan Pablo

A Merc A160

What are they, like 30k new?

Biro

Easy to see the non-car nuts on this thread! 2 already - Darragh29 and Max_Damage!
X3 and X5. What's the point? "Drives almost like a 5-series!". Why didn't you buy a 5 series then? That drives exactly like a 5 series!
116i. It's an ugly rwd Golf, that's not fit to send itself round in a ring, so why spend 30k on one?
Freelander. Why? Comfort = Discovery, off-road ability = defender. Freelander? Not as comfortable as the Discovery, and not even as good off road as it, let alone the Defender!

stretchaq

Darragh29 wrote: »

Any car that starts with BM...! I have to laugh at anyone who drives a BM, especially the drivers of 01/02/03 BM's, with the "I'm driving a BM that is worth less than a second hand Micra", gimp on them as they look around them continually to see if anyone else notices that they are driving a BM, FFS! :D:D

Jealousy will get you no where the ultimate driving experiencei dont currently own one but i did and i cant wait to get another;)

Darragh29

stretchaq wrote: »

Jealousy will get you no where the ultimate driving experiencei dont currently own one but i did and i cant wait to get another;)

There is something intrinsically sad about a person who buys a BMW. There is something alarming about someone who buys a car that they cannot afford to maintain, and a look at most threads here looking for BMW maintenance advice will confirm that. A BMW for me epitomises the nation that we have become in recent years, up our own arses, pompous, rude, competitive, unrealistcally private, tinting windows so nobody can see us, have to have a BMW, etc...

Mr.David

Darragh29 wrote: »

There is something intrinsically sad about a person who buys a BMW. There is something alarming about someone who buys a car that they cannot afford to maintain, and a look at most threads here looking for BMW maintenance advice will confirm that. A BMW for me epitomises the nation that we have become in recent years, up our own arses, pompous, rude, competitive, unrealistcally private, tinting windows so nobody can see us, have to have a BMW, etc...

Dont you think its possible to want a BMW for the right reasons? Because its a very well setup, well made, comfortable and fast car? I personally would love an M3 CSL but cannot (yet!) afford one. Does that make me a c*ck?

Biro

Darragh29 wrote: »

There is something intrinsically sad about a person who buys a BMW. There is something alarming about someone who buys a car that they cannot afford to maintain, and a look at most threads here looking for BMW maintenance advice will confirm that. A BMW for me epitomises the nation that we have become in recent years, up our own arses, pompous, rude, competitive, unrealistcally private, tinting windows so nobody can see us, have to have a BMW, etc...

In the real world there are people. Different people have different interests. Some look at football like it's the greatest thing ever. Others look at it and think "why look at grown men kick a bag of air around a field?".
Some like cars. Some like them to look at, some like them because they're a status symbol. Some however, like cars because they're a means to satisify the driving hunger. Some cars tingle the senses with sound, induction or exhaust! Some cars feel razor sharp through a series of bends. Some like to catch the driver unaware and snap at them! Some are just comfortable and dull and give no feed back. Some hurt the kidneys with accelleration. People who like this kind of thing are called car nuts. Car nuts, or petrol heads, realise that there are many different cars for many different uses. The real petrol heads realise that nearly all car companies at one stage or another have had a good car in their line up.
Some however just see a badge and make assumptions about the whole marque and the people who buy them. These people are like the people who think football is just a bag of air. "A car is just an A to B tool" they'll say. THey just don't get it! You are one of these people.
BMW's might largely be bought by "keeping up with the Jones's" type people, but they have their jems in the flock.

bazz26

I suppose anyone in the construction industry with a commerical 4x4. The market is flooded with them now that they are probably not needed as much.

Zube

Mr.David wrote: »

Dont you think its possible to want a BMW for the right reasons?

I do, but I think that there's no question that many BMW drivers like them for all the wrong reasons. Of course, the same is true for Mercs, Porsches, Maseratis or Ferraris. The fact that so many w@nkers want to be seen in these cars is a reflection of the fact that they are good, and being put off owning a good car just because w@nkers like them is just the same sort of snobbery.

Mr.David

Zube wrote: »

I do, but I think that there's no question that many BMW drivers like them for all the wrong reasons. Of course, the same is true for Mercs, Porsches, Maseratis or Ferraris. The fact that so many w@nkers want to be seen in these cars is a reflection of the fact that they are good, and being put off owning a good car just because w@nkers like them is just the same sort of snobbery.

agreed

audismelly

Darragh29 wrote: »

Any car that starts with BM...! I have to laugh at anyone who drives a BM, especially the drivers of 01/02/03 BM's, with the "I'm driving a BM that is worth less than a second hand Micra", gimp on them as they look around them continually to see if anyone else notices that they are driving a BM, FFS! :D:D

maybe if bmw fitted indicators on there cars we might be more willing to accept them:D

stretchaq

i just have to state BMW are the finest car on the road there is a massive amount stereotyping on the thread here ive had 3 BMWs one an E36 M3 which was my pride and joy but drove to many miles a week (1k) so had to but a diesel and went for an A4 because i dont like BMW diesels but my god there petrol the M3 im droolling someone pass me a bib the M3 is what driving is supposed to be about CLASS REFINEMENT AND GUT WRENCHINGLY FAST everything you want in car to in the words of that geard keane twat

FECK THE BEGRUDGERS

Mr.David

audismelly wrote: »

maybe if bmw fitted indicators on there cars we might be more willing to accept them:D

Arent Audi drivers supposed to have taken over the mantle of C*ck drivers?

Anan1

Darragh29 wrote: »

There is something intrinsically sad about a person who buys a BMW. There is something alarming about someone who buys a car that they cannot afford to maintain, and a look at most threads here looking for BMW maintenance advice will confirm that. A BMW for me epitomises the nation that we have become in recent years, up our own arses, pompous, rude, competitive, unrealistcally private, tinting windows so nobody can see us, have to have a BMW, etc...

Are you absolutely sure this opinion has nothing to do with the fact that you used to be, but are no longer, an approved BMW service agent?:D:D:D

Eoin

Max_Damage wrote: »

Any car over €5,000 IMO.

At the end of the day, it a heap of metal with 4 wheels that gets you from point A to B.

Perhaps a motoring forum isn't for you then?

Darragh29 wrote:

"I'm driving a BM that is worth less than a second hand Micra"

Shìte - I could have gotten a micra for the same money? I wish someone had told me

Darragh29

Anan1 wrote: »

Are you absolutely sure this opinion has nothing to do with the fact that you used to be, but are no longer, an approved BMW service agent?:D:D:D

Haha, I was never an authorised dealer and never will be! Not for BM Trouble You or any other brand!

agent_smith

gotta put out a comment about spending less than 5000. While i dont think you have to break the bank to get a good car, i do believe that given the state of Irish roads, the carnage on the roads, you owe it to yourself to get a car that is packed with the latest in safety equipment and technology. That does not mean you have to spend 20 or 30 k + on a car new. But spending money on a few year old BMW is a wise investment IMHO. You get a very well put together car, with ahead of its time safety equipment and design.
The sensible man/woman would buy a few year old BM.

Back on thread... my vote goes to the brera. I admit to myself.. i ahve wanted one, and would love to have one as they are heart stoppingly gorgeous.. prob the most beautiful car sub 100k IMHO, but being honest about it, they do not have the driving dynamics of its peers.

HungryJoey

A tad bit harsh maybe on the BMW drivers? But in a small way I agree. In fairness there are alot driving around in 01/02/03 318i's who think they are the sh!t driving a BMW. I guess I can't fault their cars they are amazing machines I just hate BMW drivers who brag just because they have a BMW.

Oh and one day I hope to drive a nice BMW - I love them, just not half the twits that own them.

Mercedes A class - any of them.
Mercedes B Class - any of them.
BMW 1 series - Horrible looking cars and for the price :rolleyes:
BMW X6 - Common', who's going to buy it.
( I can't think of anymore right now, I know there are loads! )

TheBazman

Max_Damage wrote: »

At the end of the day, it a heap of metal with 4 wheels that gets you from point A to B.

Have to agree that this is a strange comment on a motoring forum - Are you saying that there is no difference between say a Micra and a Lambo? They both have 4 wheeled heaps of metal. What about the joy of driving...?

And as for the others BMW bashing - give it a rest. We all know your thoughts, you dont have to infect yet another thread with this sh1te. I drive a BMW so obviously I dont know where the indicator stalk is, I cut everyone up on the road, I never let someone out trying to join a queue of traffic. Oh yeah I also have my front and rear fog lights on all the time. Its okay, I'm allowed cos I drive a BM. Seriously get over it!

Owen

Max_Damage wrote: »

Any car over €5,000 IMO.

At the end of the day, it a heap of metal with 4 wheels that gets you from point A to B.

So you'd have no problem driving a Tiida then?

itarumaa

any SUV like Audi Q7, Hummer H2 etc, not included Jeeps tough (the brand, not just any 4x4)

38psi

Darragh29 wrote: »

There is something intrinsically sad about a person who buys a BMW. There is something alarming about someone who buys a car that they cannot afford to maintain, and a look at most threads here looking for BMW maintenance advice will confirm that. A BMW for me epitomises the nation that we have become in recent years, up our own arses, pompous, rude, competitive, unrealistcally private, tinting windows so nobody can see us, have to have a BMW, etc...

Here we go more anti BMW ranting, why cant you just get over it and stop having a go at people just because they own a BMW its becoming a bit boring now....

DublinWriter

stretchaq wrote: »

Jealousy will get you no where the ultimate driving experiencei dont currently own one but i did and i cant wait to get another;)

Indeedy! The reason I've been happy with my 320D for the past three years (and for the next two hopefully!) is that I'm getting on average 50 MPG. This really makes a difference when you're driving over 500 miles a week. It's solid. It's safe. It's reliable. It's not a Fiat and it's not French.

These kind of debates really show us up for the nation of tetchy little begrudgers we are.

smash

Veyron

racso1975

It's not a Fiat and it's not French

Thats just a great argument good to see you put a lot of thought into it and are not just feeding into folklore:rolleyes:

Any 1.6 Audi A4

TheBazman

steve06 wrote: »

Veyron

Takes the term overpriced to a new level

http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/681540.htm

Max_Damage

The ironic thing is that I'm a big petrol head, always have been, but saying that, I'd never pay any more than €5,000 for an everyday car.

A classic car however, especially a classic American muscle car, would be the exception.

Biro

DublinWriter wrote: »

Indeedy! The reason I've been happy with my 320D for the past three years (and for the next two hopefully!) is that I'm getting on average 50 MPG. This really makes a difference when you're driving over 500 miles a week. It's solid. It's safe. It's reliable. It's not a Fiat and it's not French.

These kind of debates really show us up for the nation of tetchy little begrudgers we are.

Sweet Moses. The rest of us were doing so well with defending the BMW option until this post.
Unless you meant it as a prime example of the majority of BMW's. If that is the case then you forgot to add "and it's got the right badge".

Biro

steve06 wrote: »

Veyron

The thread is for overpriced AND underwhelming! The Veyron would hardly disappoint! If you're underwhelmed by a Veyron, then me thinks there's no car for you, off to Nasa you go!

Max_Damage

Biro wrote: »

If you're underwhelmed by a Veyron, then me thinks there's no car for you, off to Nasa you go!

I'd suspect this would be more fun than a Veyron :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urXPM_P-8kY

SV

Max_Damage wrote: »

Any car over €5,000 IMO.

At the end of the day, it a heap of metal with 4 wheels that gets you from point A to B.

first off, get out of motors please.



secondly, no car is a waste of money unless the same car with same specs, mileage etc can be had for lesser money.
People buy what they like and what suits them etc.

and I'd say half the people here who are calling the cars overpriced and underwhelming probably can't bloody afford them anyway.

Biro

Max_Damage wrote: »

I'd suspect this would be more fun than a Veyron :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=urXPM_P-8kY

You could always tune up a Veyron too!

JoeA3

Any entry-level, bog spec "premium" car... A BMW 316 / Audi A4 1.6 with cloth seats and plastic wheel trims... whats the point What a waste of cash!

Darragh29

DublinWriter wrote: »

Indeedy! The reason I've been happy with my 320D for the past three years (and for the next two hopefully!) is that I'm getting on average 50 MPG. This really makes a difference when you're driving over 500 miles a week. It's solid. It's safe. It's reliable. It's not a Fiat and it's not French.

These kind of debates really show us up for the nation of tetchy little begrudgers we are.

I wouldn't say that I begrudge a BMW driver or any driver. I know in my garage, I might have had 15-20 folks with BMW's who came in for servicing/maintenance work. I can recall only two of these BMW customers that I can honestly say I was happy to do business with. I said this before and I don't want to hijack this thread, but at the same time I would like to belie the notion that anyone who does not see the importance of owning a BMW is simply a begrudger. In my humble opinion, BMW parts cost more, servicing them costs more, maintaining them costs more, they are not designed to be easily worked on by a mechanic, like for instance most Japanese cars would be, which leads to higher labour costs. Unfortunately I've found, with the rare exception, that most BMW drivers simply cannot get their heads around the fact that althought you can buy a BMW for cheap, you can rarely have work done on a BMW on the cheap, for the above reasons.

Victor_M

Darragh29 wrote: »

A I have to laugh at anyone who drives a BM, :D:D

For such a begrudging cnut you must spend your day laughing your hole off, cos there are alot of BMW's out there.

Back OT - The Porsche Cayenne gets my vote for stupidly expensive & underwhelming

Bobo78

ned78 wrote: »

So you'd have no problem driving a Tiida then?

lol, i just read the tread and was about to suggest Tiida but u got it before me.:pac:

Darragh29

Victor_M wrote: »

For such a begrudging cnut you must spend your day laughing your hole off, cos there are alot of BMW's out there.

Back OT - The Porsche Cayenne gets my vote for stupidly expensive & underwhelming

Yeah, I really get a great laugh out it. Reported for abuse...

stretchaq

Darragh29 wrote: »

Yeah, I really get a great laugh out it. Reported for abuse...

oh come on in fairness grow up

JimmyCrackCorn!

I love the fantastic relevant and informed debate on this board.

so to sum up what this thread will end up with the same tired old rhetoric.

• BMWs
• Alphas
• Porches
• Mx5
• A Class
• C lass
• That merc super mini thing
• Smart cars

Are all driven by .........

Great wonderfull now can we get a reason other than the driver?

I was underwhelmed by passat TDI. It felt very wheezy to me but then again im not a big fan of diesels.

Climate Expert

stretchaq wrote: »

oh come on in fairness grow up

He was called a cúnt. Would you like if I called you one?


My call is for a BMW X6. When I think of all the great things you could get and run for that money it saddens me.

I was underwhelmed by passat TDI. It felt very wheezy to me but then again im not a big fan of diesels.

Try the 130bhp and hold onto your face!

peasant

Victor_M slapped on the wrist ...warning given

Guy:Incognito

Max_Damage wrote: »

Any car over €5,000 IMO.

At the end of the day, it a heap of metal with 4 wheels that gets you from point A to B.

How does that work? There are no new cars forunder €5k (or anywhere near it) where do €5k cars come from if no one spent over that?