Supplements = scam?

dick_soloman

what would you say to me if i said that in my opinion the whole supplement industry is a money-making scam? its not FDA regulated so the companies producing the supplements can put whatever they want in it and pass it off as the next big thing scientifically proven or revolutionary or some other cliche charge you a fortune and get away with it?

Hanley

dick_soloman wrote: »

what would you say to me if i said that in my opinion the whole supplement industry is a money-making scam? its not FDA regulated so the companies producing the supplements can put whatever they want in it and pass it off as the next big thing scientifically proven or revolutionary or some other cliche charge you a fortune and get away with it?

First I'd say, BRIDGE FOR SALE!! BRIDGE FOR SALE!!

. Then I'd say this is Ireland, not the US, so what has the FDA to do with it?

amacachi

Most supplements don't claim to be revolutionary, they simply contain chemicals etc that have been long-known to have certain effects.

StormWarrior

Don't you guys think that the basic supplements like creatine and BCAA's help you gain muscle more quickly?

g'em

Some of the supplement industry is a scam, to be sure. But frankly if people want to waste their hard-earned cash on something that promises amazing and unrealistic results that, logically, will never manifest then more fool them.

Whey, creatine, BCAAs and a couple of other bits and pieces aren't scams, they at least have some scientific and real life results to back them up, but much of it is a bit dodge alright.

Transform

Totally agree with Gem

The basics are great but its the promise of looking amazing in 4weeks (insert a time frame) with their super duper product.

However, personal trainers make this promise also, you just have to seperate the wheat from the chaff

Degsy

Hanley wrote: »

. Then I'd say this is Ireland, not the US, so what has the FDA to do with it?

Then I would say it was copied and pasted.

rubadub

dick_soloman wrote: »

what would you say to me if i said that in my opinion the whole supplement industry is a money-making scam? its not FDA regulated so the companies producing the supplements can put whatever they want in it

What is your definition of "supplement". Most stuff I see people call supplements are simply food so I would have thought they are regulated by government bodies like the FDA or similar, just like any other food. Whey is just another dairy product, just like cheese, so I expect it is under the exact same controls.

Transform wrote: »

you just have to seperate the wheat from the chaff

If you do that then it is processed, so no longer a whole food, therefore a supplement, and worse than steroids

dick_soloman

rubadub wrote: »

What is your definition of "supplement". Most stuff I see people call supplements are simply food so I would have thought they are regulated by government bodies like the FDA or similar, just like any other food. Whey is just another dairy product, just like cheese, so I expect it is under the exact same controls.


If you do that then it is processed, so no longer a whole food, therefore a supplement, and worse than steroids

To me a supplement is something manufactured that people add to their diet in an effort to improve results, whether its to build muscle, lose fat or whatever. I used to live with a guy during college that was taking carb burners and fat blockers at the same time and all he ate was scrambled egg and green beans for weeks at a time! He bought all the body building mags and trained twice a day. His excuse was he was trying to drop a few kilos for a taekwon-do competition but no wonder he didnt get past the first round - he was sleeping the whole time cos he had no energy!

It depends on the person too - im pretty lucky cos my body builds muscle and burns fat relatively easily (dont get me wrong - I work very hard in the gym too). I work in the fitness industry so I hear about and see people using supplements every day!

As I said in my original post, the FDA doesnt regulate the supplement industry - even though its a $25bn per year industry!

dick_soloman

heres a mad idea - try staying away from the supplements and save your money then work your ass off in the gym cos then youll feel like youve earned it more. instructors can only do so much - its up to the person how hard they want to work to get results!

amacachi

dick_soloman wrote: »

heres a mad idea - try staying away from the supplements and save your money then work your ass off in the gym cos then youll feel like youve earned it more. instructors can only do so much - its up to the person how hard they want to work to get results!

Yeah, no need to increase protein intake if you're trying to put on weight and muscle mass.:rolleyes:

kevpants

Look if you use a supplement as a way of getting some extra protein or whatever into you cos you think you're gonna puke if you smell any more tuna that day then you're using them right.

If you consider supplements a whole new food group that you can get ripped or hoooge or bulk up or get the pump or (insert overused misinterpretted muscle reference here) then you fell into the trap.

podge57

dick_soloman wrote: »

heres a mad idea - try staying away from the supplements and save your money then work your ass off in the gym cos then youll feel like youve earned it more. instructors can only do so much - its up to the person how hard they want to work to get results!

OR

how about supplementing your diet correctly to allow yourself to recover, train and grow more effectively

hard work in the gym will do feck all if your diet is not up to scratch

Hanley

dick_soloman wrote: »

heres a mad idea - try staying away from the supplements and save your money then work your ass off in the gym cos then youll feel like youve earned it more. instructors can only do so much - its up to the person how hard they want to work to get results!

Tbh, your comments at this stage are displaying nothing but ignorance and are tantamount to trolling.

joepenguin

dick_soloman wrote: »

heres a mad idea - try staying away from the supplements and save your money then work your ass off in the gym cos then youll feel like youve earned it more. instructors can only do so much - its up to the person how hard they want to work to get results!

Dude... working your ass off in the gym is a prerequisite for supplement use. So is good nutrition.

As for your friend who ate only eggs and beans for weeks :rolleyes: why was he taking carb blockers when he was taking no carbs? This is a guy who is supplementing and eating wrong.

Heres a scenario where supplements are used correctly: A rugby player who needs to put on a couple of kilos as his place on the team depends on it, he has the skills but just needs to be a bit bigger:
we'll call him Frank, now lets say Frank needs 3,500 cals(EDIT: 3,500 cals daily) to achieve his goals and his diet is pretty good.
He eats regularly for the most part, however his job for some reason or another means that he has to go without food from lunchtime(eg 1:30 pm by the time he eats) and 7pm (finishes work at 6, takes 40 mins to get home and 20 to make something to eat) here he may be in the public eye and works from 2-6 with no break as he is only allowed an extra 15 minutes in the morn.
Frank is clearly missing his 600 cals at about 4ish. He knows that he could make this up by eating a pizza later instead of chicken and rice and veg, but he knows that this will promote the wrong kind of weight gain. So he explores his options for 4pm... bring a sandwhich and a nutrigrain or 2? nope...customers and colleagues frown upon this as it takes too long to eat and why cant they have the same ""break" he would need at least 5 mins to eat those which is enough for people to take notice and hassle the manager. So thats out...a muffin? close to the calorie needs, quick to eat, again the wrong kind of calories. 500ml choclate milk, friij or similar? try 2 of them if you can stomach it, and to a lesser extent not enough of what he needs, too much of what he doesnt. A weight gain / MRP supplement?:eek::eek: Seconds to drink, nutritionally sound, calorie needs met, metabolism keeps ticking, plus he doesnt need to rush as much from work, he may even go straight to the gym after work and keep his evening free as rugby takes up most others.:cool:

So Mr.Troloman... its 12 weeks later and Frank is on the team. Would he have earned it more if went with the muffin instead?