Trojans Attack! (and CFB in general)

Black Swan

The AP and Coaches polls now rate USC Trojans as #1. The Harris and BCS polls have not posted yet. Can USC stay #1 in a season that's just begun? Is it too early to guess? Opinions?

USC's first game against Virginia last week resulted in 558 total offensive yards, based upon 340 yards passing and 218 yards rushing. QB Mark Sanchez had a 74.3% pass completion rate, and the final score was 52-7 for a USC win.

But the big test will come next weekend, 13 September 2008, when Ohio State (#5) travels to sunny Los Angeles to play USC. The Big Ten is noted for very rough, physical contact games, so the bets today are showing a spread of USC winning by 10. Methinks it will be a closer game, and guess USC winning by 3.

FIGHT ON TROJANS!:cool:

dulpit

I kinda wish that draws were allowed in football, and that USC & OSU cancel each other out... Cos whoever wins will be #1 for a while methinks...

C'mon the gators is all i'm saying...

Redsoxfan

Unless OSU really up their game next weekend, I take USC by 2 touchdowns-they looked awesome against Virginia in Week 1.

Florida made hard enough work of Miami until late in the game.

I haven't seen Georgia yet so don't know too much about them. Ditto for OU.

Trojan

OSU were looking very flakey against Ohio this weekend, they don't look like a #3 team, nevermind a #1.

Black Swan

Nice user name Trojan! Methinks that Ohio State-Ohio was a fluke, and that OSU will come back stronger against USC this coming weekend.

Trojan

Looking forward to the game.

btw the name is a complete coincidence, I'm not actually a USC fan (well, I'm a fan of good sports so maybe I am )

Lirange

So what was it then?

1. The Aquatics club in Dublin?
2. Reference to the ancient city state?
3. The condom? :pac:

Intrusive minds want to know.

Redsoxfan

College Football Live reports that Beanie Wells now doubtful for Saturday.

I'm all over USC-spreads are -11/11.5 at the moment-but not on paddypower until Saturday

Black Swan

Well, I'm hoping that you are all right about the Trojans taking the Buckeyes, given that I am a USC Trojanette.

LuckyLloyd

Are you still in Southern California Blue Lagoon? I got the impression from your posts last year that you were only there for the one season. Did you get to many of the games?

In any case, the weight of punditry is on your side for Saturday. Ohio have some injury doubts and looked awful at the weekend. And to be fair, USC's record in these big out of conference match ups is second to none. The problem for you guys last year was silly losses in the Pac - 10 (STANFORD!!).

That being said, I have a feeling this will be closer than everyone seems to think. I don't think Ohio are getting the kind of respect their program should have earned over the past three years. That they are two touchdown underdogs and have less pressure on them might just make them click.

If Ohio turns up, this could be one of the classic games. I'm looking forward to it!

Black Swan

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Are you still in Southern California Blue Lagoon? I got the impression from your posts last year that you were only there for the one season. Did you get to many of the games?

Hi LuckyLloyd! Got to a couple home games early and mid season last year, plus one away game, thanks to one of the players, but was ill late season and hospitalized in December. Took a medical leave of absence until this fall. Back at USC now, but got in a silly student lottery for a seat this weekend and lost. So I'll be in some bar drinking too much beer (maybe Legends in Long Beach), watching the telly, and screaming my head off!

LuckyLloyd wrote:

That being said, I have a feeling this will be closer than everyone seems to think.

Methinks you may be right. Yikes!

LuckyLloyd wrote:

If Ohio turns up, this could be one of the classic games. I'm looking forward to it!

Can't wait!:cool:

LuckyLloyd

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Hi LuckyLloyd! Got to a couple home games early and mid season last year, plus one away game, thanks to one of the players, but was ill late season and hospitalized in December. Took a medical leave of absence until this fall. Back at USC now, but got in a silly student lottery for a seat this weekend and lost. So I'll be in some bar drinking too much beer (maybe Legends in Long Beach), watching the telly, and screaming my head off!

That sounds like fun as far as I'm concerned!! I'll have to make do with gameplan on the laptop. Man I miss being in the States - sports is just better over there.

Black Swan

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Man I miss being in the States - sports is just better over there.

Legends in Long Beach is grand when the Trojans play! Lots of wide screened tellys tuned into the game. They start partying way before game time, go absolutely crazy during the game, and party until close (2AM). It's owned by a former USC football player. Of course, if we get surprised by the Buckeyes Saturday, then we will cry in our beers after!

Trojan

CW was never gonna play, can't play a guy with that injury that early.

Name from software in college.

Great game just started, I'm neutral, go the best team!!

Trojan

35-3, I think that's a smashing that even the biggest USC fans did not predict. Heartbreak for OSU.

Trojan

btw I think that was a major call on the intercept touchdown, where the USC linebacker had his foot on the whitewash. A real pity, I think there's no doubt he was in touch, the review should have ruled it out of bounds and gone to the 1st down. That had a major effect on the game.

I wouldn't like to be the next team to play OSU, I think they'll be out to prove something next time. Very impressive offence (except for all the flags).

tallaghtoutlaws

Trojan wrote: »

btw I think that was a major call on the intercept touchdown, where the USC linebacker had his foot on the whitewash. A real pity, I think there's no doubt he was in touch, the review should have ruled it out of bounds and gone to the 1st down. That had a major effect on the game.

I wouldn't like to be the next team to play OSU, I think they'll be out to prove something next time. Very impressive offence (except for all the flags).

Inconclusive evidence on it though all the camera angles were **** and no way you could get a good call on it to over turn. USC would have still danced on Ohio anyways. Trojans will only face one major tough test this year in Florida maybe mizzou also but I see Florida/USC BCS game really.

And Blue Lagoon nice to see you posting again i really enjoyed our debates last year damn Trojans haha

LuckyLloyd

Pity we didn't get a classic. Congrats Blue Lagoon, if I was you I'd be keeping the first weekend of 2009 free for some National Title madness. Great shot at going undefeated now.

Lirange

Trojan wrote: »

btw I think that was a major call on the intercept touchdown, where the USC linebacker had his foot on the whitewash. A real pity, I think there's no doubt he was in touch, the review should have ruled it out of bounds and gone to the 1st down. That had a major effect on the game.

I wouldn't like to be the next team to play OSU, I think they'll be out to prove something next time. Very impressive offence (except for all the flags).

A major call? Major effect? It would have been first and goal from the 5. The way USC was playing you wouldn't have tipped OSU to stop them. Just watched a tape of the game. They're fortunate Carroll didn't decide to run up the score. USC's O-line and D-line dominated Ohio.

Black Swan

The first few minutes of the first quarter began as a nail biter with the Buckeyes scoring first with a field goal, but then the Trojans warmed up and marched to victory 35-3 over the Ohio State University.

If you just reviewed some of the game stats, it would almost appear as if USC and OSU were having a balanced game:

Total number of plays: OSU=64, USC=62
Total number of rushes: OSU=34, USC=32
Total penalties/yards: OSU=10 for 78 yds, USC=8 for 76 yds
Passing completed/attempted: OSU=21/30, USC=18/30
Net yards passing: OSU=136, USC=184
Time of possession: OSU=32 minutes, USC=27 minutes

Of course there were other stats that varied (e.g., total yards OSU=207, USC=348), but it would seem that the Buckeyes just could not convert these stats to score, while USC did.

QB sacks had to be a major factor in this game too, with the Trojans sacking the Buckeye QB 5 times, while Sanchez was only sacked once.

One factor that stood out during the game was the rotation of QBs by Ohio State, sometimes between plays in the same series. Did this throw the Buckeye offense off? Given that OSU only scored once, it didn't do much to mess with the Trojan defense.

^^Can you lads explain this one to me?

Methinks that if I was trying to decide which QB to play, I would pick one of my QBs to play the first half, and if he was doing grand, leave him in for the second half. If not, rotate to my other one for the second half.

My biggest worry before this game was our QB Sanchez, who has a leg injury. And it showed when he attempted to rush two times for total net loss of 10 yards. In the passing department he did grand, completing 17 out of 28 for 172 yards, 4 TDs, and only one interception. The USC offense didn't mess around and leave him too exposed, allowing only one sack. But Sanchez showed that he could take a hit, when during a passing play that resulted in a TD for USC, a Buckeye plowed him to the ground with a full body hit.

USC's McKnight was awesome, with 12 carries for 105 yards (8.8 yard average).

What did stand out after I recovered from drinking way too much beer during the game was that USC's offense was almost textbook balanced between yards passing (184) and rushing (164). This is important I believe, because the opposition team defense has a less likelihood of guessing the play, whereas if passing or rushing was favoured, they would increase their odds.

USC now gets a bit of a rest before playing their first PAC-10 away game on 25 September against Oregon State Beavers (who beat Hawaii 45-7).

OK lads, will the Trojan offense penetrate the Beavers defense enough to score?;)




**tallaghtoutlaws: Hi! Glad to be back! LuckyLloyd, hope we don't do something stupid like beating all the hard teams and losing to a Stanford like last year!**

Trojan

Lirange wrote: »

A major call? Major effect? It would have been first and goal from the 5. The way USC was playing you wouldn't have tipped OSU to stop them.

It was a big call - the guy was clearly out of bounds and we can't know how the rest of the drive would have worked out - especially that early in the game.

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

One factor that stood out during the game was the rotation of QBs by Ohio State, sometimes between plays in the same series. Did this throw the Buckeye offense off? Given that OSU only scored once, it didn't do much to mess with the Trojan defense.

^^Can you lads explain this one to me?

Methinks that if I was trying to decide which QB to play, I would pick one of my QBs to play the first half, and if he was doing grand, leave him in for the second half. If not, rotate to my other one for the second half.

They weren't trying to decide which QB to play. They were introducing the freshman into the game without throwing him completely in the deep end. He's also more of a running QB with the incumbent (forget name) a decent passer (though he got worse as the game went on - they should have gone 100% to the kid).

I thought it was crazy at the start, but after watching for a couple of drives it was clear that it was working pretty well (but the rest of the O line wasn't doing the business).


Interesting to see it and I thought it worked quite well for them, and should do in future. Against any other defence it would have caused a lot of trouble.

Unfortunately for them, USC are in a different league at the moment.

Black Swan

Trojan wrote: »

They weren't trying to decide which QB to play. They were introducing the freshman into the game without throwing him completely in the deep end. He's also more of a running QB with the incumbent (forget name) a decent passer (though he got worse as the game went on - they should have gone 100% to the kid).

Hi! Kid indeed! I know that hindsight is 20/20, but if I had been the Buckeye coach, I would have sacked Boeckman (excuse the pun), and left the freshman noobe Pryor in as QB for the game. Look at the stats:

QB Boeckman: 14 completions out of 21 attempts for 84 yard total (84/21=4.0 yd ave), plus 2 interceptions.

QB Pryor: 7 completions out of 9 attempts for 52 yards (52/9=5.7 yd ave), no interceptions, plus 11 rushes for 40 net total yards (3.6 yd ave). Total=92 yds rushing & passing.

And I hate to admit this being a Trojan, but rushing/passing QBs scare the heck out of our defense! I am still moaning over Longhorn QB Young leading to a Texas win during the BCS National Championship game.

This raises yet another point about USC Coach Pete Carroll. Most players in the country know that Carroll will play you if you are the best, no matter if you are freshmen or senior. The seniority system is not a factor, as it is for such 20th Century coaches as Joe Pa of Penn State, where you have to wait your turn in the 4 year degree line up from Freshman to Sophomore to Junior to Senior. Carroll will start noobe lst year freshman as first string if they are the best. This is grand for nation-wide recruitment.

LuckyLloyd

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

LuckyLloyd, hope we don't do something stupid like beating all the hard teams and losing to a Stanford like last year!**

Well, I have little doubt that the Stanford loss will be prominent in the thoughts of Pete Carrol and his players this year. That loss was down to USC not turning up with anything near their usual levels of mental focus and concentration. That got mixed with in with Stanford playing way and above what could be unreasonably expected to produce arguably the biggest upset in the history of college football (Stanford were considered to be 41 point underdogs before the game from some reputable bookmakers).

As far as your remaining schedule goes, barring a mailed in performance at some point from USC - they look good to win through. The two toughest looking games at this point are Oregon on October 4 (who are the only team on your remaining schedule to be ranked at this point) and California on November 8. Both those games are at home. Furthermore, you have some really bad looking football teams left to play in Notre Dame (:(), Washington St, UCLA and Stanford.

Now, I know that things can change as a college football season progresses and teams can play tougher or weaker from one end of their schedule to the other. But as I type right now, you guys have a great shot at going undefeated. And if you do, you will be in the national title game.

Black Swan

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Now, I know that things can change as a college football season progresses and teams can play tougher or weaker from one end of their schedule to the other. But as I type right now, you guys have a great shot at going undefeated. And if you do, you will be in the national title game.

Watch USC QB Sanchez. He started the season with a leg injury. If it does not get any worse, we could go all the way. But if he is knocked out for part or all the season, then we could be in trouble.

LuckyLloyd

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Watch USC QB Sanchez. He started the season with a leg injury. If it does not get any worse, we could go all the way. But if he is knocked out for part or all the season, then we could be in trouble.

That is fair. The most experienced back - up you have is sophomore Mitch Mustain who played a few games for Arkansas in 2006 before transferring. After that, you have a couple of untested freshmen. Obviously, one would assume that they are at USC because they have talent and potential - but you do definitely have a depth problem at that position.

Ah, bless you Blue_Lagoon - you strike me as a glass half empty merchant as far as the football is concerned. If I was in your shoes I'd be getting quite excited at this point and looking forward to the parties on gamedays.

Black Swan

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Ah, bless you Blue_Lagoon - you strike me as a glass half empty merchant as far as the football is concerned. If I was in your shoes I'd be getting quite excited at this point and looking forward to the parties on gamedays.

Oh I do party my brains out on game days, but that does not keep me from playing a bar stool QB. Plus I would not be able to hang out with you lads on boards and argue plays, ha!:D

Black Swan

OK lads, USC travels to Oregon State University to play this Thursday, 25 September. The odds I've seen were a 22.5 point spread in favour of the Trojans. What would you predict for this game?

Black Swan

27-21 Beaver's win, and Trojans crying in their beers.:pac::(

LuckyLloyd

:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

two seasons running. wow. sorry blue_lagoon!

LuckyLloyd

Just finished watching a full rerun of the game there. The moment that summed it up for me was when Sanchez waved the crowd to quieten down on 1st and 20 late into the 4th quarter!! :pac: Just from watching on TV it seemed really, really loud in Reser stadium right from the first snap to the last. It's games like this that remind you how much of a factor home advantage can be in college football. Arguably, there is no other sport where it can play more of a part in determining a result. There is no doubt in my mind that it gave an extra edge to the Oregon defense once they went up 14 - 0. Much as it lessened the abillity of USC to execute in their failed drives when they were down 14 - 21 in the second half.

USC were 22.5 favs before the game began. There is no doubt that they didn't reach what they were capable of individually and collectively last night. And on the other hand - Oregon State over performed. In particular, Rodgers and Tafala were excellent I thought. And they won the battle upfront on both sides of the ball - opening up plenty of lanes in the running game and managing to harry and pressure Sanchez the whole way through.

They had their bit of luck aswell. The touchdown before half time was so, so pivotal. It gets intercepted, USC would be staring down a two score deficit at half - time despite being completely hosed for two quarters of football. And, even if it would have been just an incomplete pass, USC would have started those 4th quarter drives with bad field position just needing a fieldgoal to tie. Which obviously would have allevieted the pressure to a significant extent. As it was, it fell into the arms of the Oregon State receiver and made it 21 - 0. From there it was a a road just a bit too long for USC on the night.

What now? USC can still play for a national title in theory of course. If they run the table and are one of only two BCS bid conference teams to have one loss they will play the Orange bowl. But if they lose another game they are done. And if they ended in a three way tie, the relative strength of the Pac 10 so far this year in inter - conference match - ups will count against them (as it did Auburn a couple of years ago). I mean, watching the game - it is clear Oregon could play and had some excellent athletes. But they lost to Stanford and were hammered on the road against Penn State. The BCS evaluation system is obviously flawed - but it is the one that is there. And as far as that system is concerned - this is a BAD loss.

As an aside, I felt Sanchez and Maualuga did not look anywhere near as advertised when it mattered yesterday. Maualuga could not get to the ball consistently, and Sanchez was inaccurate during the 4th quarter. For Sanchez in particular, it is games like this that tend to stick in the mind of NFL scouts. QBs that have gone high in the first round tend to have numerous 4th quarter game tieing or winning drives to their name. Sanchez looked rattled and off his game when it was money time. And when Sanchez comes up for evaluation, last night may end up costing him spots and thus dollars in the draft.

Black Swan

"LOS ANGELES (AP) - Mark Sanchez threw for 332 yards and three touchdowns Saturday night and No. 9 Southern California stormed back from a stunning loss to rout No. 23 Oregon 44-10.

The Trojans (3-1, 1-1 Pac-10) shook off a defeat at Oregon State in Corvallis that knocked them out of the No. 1 ranking, and dominated the Ducks (4-2, 2-1), who had been considered the better of Oregon's two Pac-10 schools."

It would appear that the USC Trojan team that won the first two games of the season (beating Virgina and Ohio State) showed up for this game, and not the "other" team of last week against the Oregon State Beavers?:pac::rolleyes:

I'm really upset with my Trojans!

Trojan

Absolute thrashing. Big mistake by the Ducks with 90 seconds to go to half-time: instead of closing out the half 7 points behind, they let USC in for not 1 but 2 scores to go in 17 points behind. That was it, game over at that point.

Black Swan

The Sun Devils (2 wins, 3 losses) take on the Trojans (3 wins, 1 loss) at LA Memorial Coliseum Saturday, 11 October 2008, 3.30PM EST (8.30PM Ireland).

USC QB Sanchez has yet another leg injury, so he may not play the whole game. Could be a close game with Sanchez injured or out?

FIGHT ON!

Trojan

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

The Sun Devils (2 wins, 3 losses) take on the Trojans (3 wins, 1 loss) at LA Memorial Coliseum[1] Saturday, 11 October 2008, 3.30PM EST (2.30AM Ireland 12 October).

Not on TV here

btw did anyone ever tell LA that they spelled [1] Colosseum wrong? It's been a while and all...

davyjose

Trojan wrote: »

Not on TV here

btw did anyone ever tell LA that they spelled [1] Colosseum wrong? It's been a while and all...

Texas Oklahoma is on NASN instead. I guess it's the game of the week in fairness. I wouldn't have minded watching the gators myself, but the baseball is on.

You might get it online somewhere. Any ideas people?

Black Swan

davyjose wrote: »

You might get it online somewhere. Any ideas people?

I've missed going to an away game before, and been away from a telly, so I've have tried to tap into vids of the game, but I guess my rig doesn't have enough memory with only 2 gigs ram and Vista hogging my capacity? Perhaps too it could be this 3G wireless card I've taken over from a friend that can no longer afford it? Its data transfer rate is glacier. In any case, I've also tried MS Game Track and it's a joke.

Black Swan

Trojan wrote: »

btw did anyone ever tell LA that they spelled [1] Colosseum wrong? It's been a while and all...

Its been that way a long time too, ha!

tallaghtoutlaws

They havent spelt it wrong btw The Roman's spelt it as Coliseum.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Colosseum

Redsoxfan

davyjose wrote: »

Texas Oklahoma is on NASN instead. I guess it's the game of the week in fairness. I wouldn't have minded watching the gators myself, but the baseball is on.

You might get it online somewhere. Any ideas people?

Well it's on ESPN360, but I don't know if that just out of market.

Black Swan

The point spread has USC winning by 25.0 to 28.5 against Arizona State, but do you lads agree?

Trojan

Don't know about that spread but it kinda is all or nothing with the Trojans - huge routs or hugely disappointing losses. Don't think they'll lose tonight.

Texas-Okla game was great.

Trojan

Trojan wrote: »

Don't know about that spread but it kinda is all or nothing with the Trojans - huge routs or hugely disappointing losses. Don't think they'll lose tonight.

Just realised it is in play - thought it was later tonight. Current score

21-0 Trojans

, 8 mins gone 3rd quarter.

davyjose

When are the rankings out? It'll be interesting to see how things lie now Oklahoma and LSU* lost

*read: got walloped

Trojan

davyjose wrote: »

When are the rankings out? It'll be interesting to see how things lie now Oklahoma and LSU* lost

*read: got walloped

Rankings out Mondays afaik.

Black Swan

Two of the rankings are in... but Harris (USC still #8) not in yet; perhaps Monday? USC is now AP #6 and Coaches #4.

Although at the surface a 28-0 win by the Trojans over the Sun Devils looks grand, it's very misleading indeed. One of the touchdowns was by our defense, and QB Sanchez threw 3 interceptions and fumbled once (2 offensive total fumbles for a loss of 101 yards). Five (5) turnovers in one game by USC's offense? An opponent with a stronger offense would have wiped the floor with us. As it was, only our defense was superb (including blocking 2 field goals!), and the polls should reflect that. It would appear that we are not playing consistently from one weekend to the next?

Black Swan

Second quarter USC 27, Washington State 0. It would seem that my Trojan team traveled to Pullman Washington to play, and not the "other" team?

EDIT: Half-time, USC 41, WSU 0. Pete Carroll plans to put in second and third string for second half to give them experience, so WSU may score against USC inexperienced players.

EDIT2: Final score USC 69, WSU 0. Ten touchdowns, with 9 one-point conversions, so it was a route and shutout.

LuckyLloyd

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Second quarter USC 27, Washington State 0. It would seem that my Trojan team traveled to Pullman Washington to play, and not the "other" team?

EDIT: Half-time, USC 41, WSU 0. Pete Carroll plans to put in second and third string for second half to give them experience, so WSU may score against USC inexperienced players.

EDIT2: Final score USC 69, WSU 0. Ten touchdowns, with 9 one-point conversions, so it was a route and shutout.

Congrats Blue_Lagoon, you must have enjoyed that one. I think that in order for you guys to get in the national title game you need all of the following to happen:

- You need to win out your schedule in a handsome fashion;
- You need Ohio State to beat the snot out of Penn State next week (thereby putting your early season demolition of them back in a favorable light);
- You definitely need each of Texas, Alabama and Oklahoma State to lose at least a game each;
- It would help you if California and Notre Dame could win all of the remaining games on their schedule apart from the games against you guys to help the perception of your overall strength of schedule;
- Finally, you probably need Oklahoma, Georgia, Florida to lose another game or two to weaken the perceived strength of the Big 12 and SEC conferences;

Needless to say, I would be surprised if you guys get to play the Orange Bowl at this point. Sorry dude.

Black Swan

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Needless to say, I would be surprised if you guys get to play the Orange Bowl at this point. Sorry dude.

Yes, what you say is a tall order for the Trojans to fill indeed! We will do well to win the PAC-10 title, especially considering that QB Sanchez began the season with a leg injury that continues to bother him. "Dude?" LOL! Blue runs to mirror and poses... tries to tuck chest in like Keira Knightley when she appeared in Arthur and wardress. No, it's not working, ha!;)

Trojan

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Blue runs to mirror and poses... tries to tuck chest in like Keira Knightley when she appeared in Arthur and wardress. No, it's not working, ha!;)

Chill out bro, he didn't mean any offence.

Black Swan

Trojan wrote: »

Chill out bro, he didn't mean any offence.

LOL! Now Trojan teams up with LuckyLloyd calling me "bro," whoa! If I didn't know that you lads were playing with me, I could get a complex, ha! I know! How about if I start calling you lads "birds?" That reminds me of some cheesy film where Mel Gibson tried on ladies wear, cause he wanted to understand how to market to women? "What Women Want." I am struggling to picture Trojan or LuckyLloyd cross-dressing. Blue shouts across the locker room, "OK birds, suit up!" For some reason it's not working for me, and I have a pretty good imagination.;)

tallaghtoutlaws

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

LOL! Now Trojan teams up with LuckyLloyd calling me "bro," whoa! If I didn't know that you lads were playing with me, I could get a complex, ha! I know! How about if I start calling you lads "birds?" That reminds me of some cheesy film where Mel Gibson tried on ladies wear, cause he wanted to understand how to market to women? "What Women Want." I am struggling to picture Trojan or LuckyLloyd cross-dressing. Blue shouts across the locker room, "OK birds, suit up!" For some reason it's not working for me, and I have a pretty good imagination.;)

But Luckyllyod called you dude :D I use Dude all the time whats so wrong with it