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M20 - Cork to Limerick [preferred route chosen; in design - phase 3]

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    #6602
    Limerick74
    Registered Users Posts: 447 ✭✭Limerick74


    Public consultation starts next Thursday https://www.live95fm.ie/news/live95-news/virtual-public-consultation-to-be-held-for-m20-route-options/


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    #6603
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Limerick74 wrote: »
    Public consultation starts next Thursday https://www.live95fm.ie/news/live95-news/virtual-public-consultation-to-be-held-for-m20-route-options/
    Great stuff. Ahead of time too.


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    #6604
    spacetweek
    Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 4,963 Mod ✭✭✭✭spacetweek


    They may improve the rail options too, possibly with a new section of line.


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    #6605
    pajoguy
    Registered Users Posts: 785 ✭✭✭pajoguy


    marno21 wrote: »
    Great stuff. Ahead of time too.

    Will route options be outlined at this stage?


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    #6606
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    pajoguy wrote: »
    Will route options be outlined at this stage?

    Yes. Originally scheduled for December.


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    #6607
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users Posts: 5,853 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    Will be very interesting to see if the route selection from a few years ago is basically copied.


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    #6608
    Hibernicis
    Registered Users Posts: 1,437 ✭✭✭Hibernicis


    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    Will be very interesting to see if the route selection from a few years ago is basically copied.


    It will indeed, bearing in mind that the Study Area has been expanded this time around. Fig 2 here shows the changes (blue cross hatch). The most significant change is the eastward expansion at the northern end. At the southern end the main change is an expansion by a considerable distance towards Cork city centre. And while these changes were presumably intended to facilitate the inclusion of the rail option in the study, it will be interesting to see if the change has any other implications.


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    #6609
    Chris_5339762
    Registered Users Posts: 5,853 ✭✭✭Chris_5339762


    The southern end, I think, isn't largely off what the old plans had. That involved a start just before the Blarney junction. Now, its a shame the southern end is as it is... it confirms they aren't trying to use the same TEN-T Adare bypass "Its a road to Foynes" trick to deliver the eastern side of the Cork North Ring Road.

    It means for sure that for years we'll have the titanically stupid setup where M20 traffic has to potter through Ballyvolane and Blackpool to get to the M8 and N25. Its a terrible oversight.


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    #6610
    niloc1951
    Registered Users Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    Chris_5339762 wrote: »
    The southern end, I think, isn't largely off what the old plans had. That involved a start just before the Blarney junction. Now, its a shame the southern end is as it is... it confirms they aren't trying to use the same TEN-T Adare bypass "Its a road to Foynes" trick to deliver the eastern side of the Cork North Ring Road.

    It means for sure that for years we'll have the titanically stupid setup where M20 traffic has to potter through Ballyvolane and Blackpool to get to the M8 and N25. Its a terrible oversight.


    That R635 (North Ring Road) between the Old Youghal Road junction and the Ballyhooly Road junction has deteriorated to a dirt track due to neglect. A person would think it wasn't part of any future planned connecting route.


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    #6611
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    niloc1951 wrote: »
    That R635 (North Ring Road) between the Old Youghal Road junction and the Ballyhooly Road junction has deteriorated to a dirt track due to neglect. A person would think it wasn't part of any future planned connecting route.

    It was recently resurfaced


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    #6612
    niloc1951
    Registered Users Posts: 2,037 ✭✭✭niloc1951


    Cork Trucker wrote: »
    It was recently resurfaced

    :):):), 'twas loooong overdue.


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    #6613
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    niloc1951 wrote: »
    :):):), 'twas loooong overdue.

    We might see the next resurfacing after the Northern Ring Road and M20 are done


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    #6614
    hans aus dtschl
    Registered Users Posts: 3,068 ✭✭✭hans aus dtschl


    Cork Trucker wrote: »
    It was recently resurfaced

    I didn't know this.
    I might start using it again: I normally use Banduff road.


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    #6615
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    hans aus dtschl wrote: »
    I didn't know this.
    I might start using it again: I normally use Banduff road.

    From the crossroads on the Ballyhooly road right up to the tinkers cross junction. Was done bar a small section of it, I didn’t take notice as to whether it was completed however. The Banduff Road is ok for now also, but there is construction traffic on it at the moment


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    #6616
    Heartbreak Hank
    Registered Users Posts: 232 ✭✭Heartbreak Hank


    Consultation is live:


    https://www.pinpointcloud.co.uk/nm20virtualconsultation/



    https://corklimerick.ie/


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    #6617
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    PDF: https://www.pinpointcloud.co.uk/nm20virtualconsultation/Resources/html/banners.pdf

    Green + amber please. The 2010 M20 routing is quite sensible imo. It reuses the Croom BP, New Mallow Road and also uses some extra wide land reservation near Buttevant.

    Should they decide to reuse the 2010 corridor, there is a lot of work done especially on the southern part. This could be incorporated into the new project and used to accelerate it.

    Junctions at Croom (R516 - already there), O'Rourkes Cross (R518), R515 west of Charleville, Ballyhea (old N20), Buttevant (R581), Mallow (N72/N73), Mallow South, and around Rathduff make sense. I presume a MSA will be incorporated into the project.


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    #6618
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    They haven't stated clearly whether both one of the rail and one of the road options will be implemented. I expect this is so the rail option can be fudged with an 'improved service' that'll be delivered as part of another project.


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    #6619
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    cgcsb wrote: »
    They haven't stated clearly whether both one of the rail and one of the road options will be implemented. I expect this is so the rail option can be fudged with an 'improved service' that'll be delivered as part of another project.

    I would imagine a motorway and improved rail service between Cork and Limerick via Limerick Junction.


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    #6620
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    marno21 wrote: »
    I would imagine a motorway and improved rail service between Cork and Limerick via Limerick Junction.

    Yeah I guess, just hope the rail improvements aren't fudged into the never never.


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    #6621
    Isambard
    Registered Users Posts: 5,796 ✭✭✭Isambard


    shame they can't spell Buttevant.


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    #6622
    cgcsb
    Registered Users Posts: 9,275 ✭✭✭cgcsb


    Isambard wrote: »
    shame they can't spell Buttevant.

    Invariably with these reports, there'll be a typo, no matter how hard someone reads and re-reads it. :pac:


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    #6623
    Cork Trucker
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,553 ✭✭✭Cork Trucker


    Isambard wrote: »
    shame they can't spell Buttevant.

    Argh, I’d say half the country be calling it ‘Buttervant’ even while looking at it spelt as Buttevant


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    #6624
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    Isambard wrote: »
    shame they can't spell Buttevant.

    Where is it misspelled ? :confused:

    Quite a few people in North Cork call it Buttervant so a misspelling is still an improvement.


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    #6625
    rounders
    Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭rounders


    cgcsb wrote: »
    They haven't stated clearly whether both one of the rail and one of the road options will be implemented. I expect this is so the rail option can be fudged with an 'improved service' that'll be delivered as part of another project.

    Looks like it's a either or situation. According to the diagram they will compare the two options after route selection and pick between road and rail

    https://corklimerick.ie/what-next/


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    #6626
    rounders
    Registered Users Posts: 323 ✭✭rounders


    Also, interesting question on the feedback form about ebikes. Asks if the route was safe for cycling and you had a ebike would you travel further.

    Took me a while to find the feedback form. It's on the top right if anyone else is looking for it


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    #6627
    Cookiemunster
    Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 11,830 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cookiemunster


    rounders wrote: »
    Looks like it's a either or situation. According to the diagram they will compare the two options after route selection and pick between road and rail

    https://corklimerick.ie/what-next/
    They'll pick the road IMO. Double tracking from Limerick Junction into Limerick is part of the LSMATs plan. That and some track changes at the Junction will allow direct Cork to Limerick trains without having to build any new alignments.


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    #6628
    riddlinrussell
    Registered Users Posts: 979 ✭✭✭riddlinrussell


    Cookiemunster wrote: »
    They'll pick the road IMO. Double tracking from Limerick Junction into Limerick is part of the LSMATs plan. That and some track changes at the Junction will allow direct Cork to Limerick trains without having to build any new alignments.

    A brand new alignment is an interesting thought experiment though, it would be the first 'true' new railway line in Ireland in a very long time.


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    #6629
    mydiscworld
    Registered Users Posts: 788 ✭✭✭mydiscworld


    Hopefully they learn from the issues whch arose in 2010 and minimise the potential for appeals to ABP/High Court


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    #6630
    Reputable Rog
    Registered Users Posts: 2,081 ✭✭✭Reputable Rog


    rounders wrote: »
    Looks like it's a either or situation. According to the diagram they will compare the two options after route selection and pick between road and rail

    https://corklimerick.ie/what-next/

    Rail whilst a lovely idea makes no sense over road, the vast majority of journeys are not City Centre to City Centre, so it’s all well and good when you get to Colbert and want to go Clonlara or Caherdavin etc.


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    #6631
    marno21
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 14,347 Mod ✭✭✭✭marno21


    mydiscworld wrote: »
    Hopefully they learn from the issues whch arose in 2010 and minimise the potential for appeals to ABP/High Court

    The route option for south of the 2010 split north of Buttevant is identical (+ the offline option south of Mallow which will be discarded). If they pick that route, include a Buttevant junction and go forth with 2 separate north and south section they could have the southern element at ABP quite quickly as a lot of work was done on it in 2010


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