Use of Irish as a Garda

mikemac

Just a question I've been wondering about.
I know a garda has to do a Irish test when joining but I reckon only a fraction of serving gardai are fluent, much like the general populuation.

Does this become a factor when assigning gardai to Gaeltecht areas?
I mean suppose a garda is walking around the town and the locals immediately switch in Irish.
They could be discussing or planning anything or they could be laughing at the garda without them knowing it.
And sure there's plently of cute hoors out whest

So is it a requirement for a Garda to be fluent in Irish before getting assigned to a Gaeltecht area?

Dr_MaSoN

micmclo wrote: »

I know a garda has to do a Irish test when joining

Previously you may have had to but now a days you dont have to.

timmywex

Defp open to correction, but afaik, you must have a fairly good level of irish for gaeltacht positions and you get an allowance also!?

TheNog

timmywex wrote: »

Defp open to correction, but afaik, you must have a fairly good level of irish for gaeltacht positions and you get an allowance also!?

that's right. anyone going to gaeltacht areas must be fluent in irish and they get an allowance of 7% increase.

i'll never get that 7% allowance

ramair

there are 2 different gaeltacht classifications in the civil service.. one must have attained at least 80% in a civil service irish exam in order to serve in "real" gaeltacht area i.e aran islands etc... it used to be 70% for service in areas like say galway city but that has been abolished and anyone can serve there... however... most members would be fluent in galway, others will have undergone the civil service exam to attain the gaeltacht allowance..


i would consider myself fairly fluent and would use irish in the job a couple of times a week and i serve in the dma

ScubaDave

Im in a gaeltacht area and im not likely to get that money anytime soon! Nor are many of the station.

deadwood

A bhreitheamh. Chuaigh me amach faoin tuath ar mo rothar. La brea samhradh a bhi ann, ni raibh scamaill sa speir. I bpreab na suile chonaic me gouger. Rith se uaim ar nos na gaoithe. Rith mo mhadra Bran tar eis an fear dona. Is maith liom a bheith i mo gharda.

metman

Cheapaim go bhfuil Bran an nGarda i san sceail seo mo chara!

deadwood

metman wrote: »

Cheapaim go bhfuil Bran an nGarda i san sceail seo mo chara!

Nuair a bhi me og, a mhetman...nuair a bhi me og.

metman

Sean-Guard no glic Guard? Ar aon nos, taim ag dul dti mo leaba, oiche mhaith :pac:

eroo

What in the name of Jesus are ye doing??Go to the 'Gaeilge' forum in After Hours'!!

deadwood

metman wrote: »

Sean-Guard no glic Guard?

Glic, agus mie ar Boards?!;)

ScubaDave

My irish isnt that bad after all!

Fyr.Fytr

Cuinis calin bothár bainne

yayamark

Agus Sharon Ni Bheolain :pac:

Eru

eroo wrote: »

What in the name of Jesus are ye doing??Go to the 'Gaeilge' forum in After Hours'!!

Agreed, speaking Irish just too show they can. You sound like a bunch of RA heads practising how too give your names and addresses as Gaeilge.

I can just about speak the basics (enough to demand name and address and caution). Why after 14 years can I not speak it? Because Im bad at languages in general and found Irish too be even trickier than the latin and germanic languages.

Why do I hate it? Because it was rammed down my throat for 14 years, my teachers mocked me and punished me in equal measure for not being gifted at it, then blocked my chosen career until I went back too school in my mid 20s and put myself through that **** all over again just so I could do a job that it turns out doesnt really need it.

Oh and also the fact that your not really 'Republican' or a proud Irishman unless you are fluent aparantly.

Fyr.Fytr

C1 in pass irish, to thisday dont kno how i did that well. Just learned stuff off that we knew was coming up, still havnt a breeze tbh.


Oh if yanks ask you to speak irish, the oul hail mary as gailge works a treat

angelfire9

deadwood wrote: »

Rith mo mhadra Bran tar eis an fear dona.

Translation: My dog "Bran" ran after the bold man

metman wrote: »

Cheapaim go bhfuil Bran an nGarda i san sceail seo mo chara!

So metman is friends with a dog???

deadwood

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Agreed, speaking Irish just too show they can. You sound like a bunch of RA heads practising how too give your names and addresses as Gaeilge.

Why do I hate it? Because it was rammed down my throat for 14 years, my teachers mocked me and punished me in equal measure for not being gifted at it, then blocked my chosen career until I went back too school in my mid 20s and put myself through that **** all over again just so I could do a job that it turns out doesnt really need it.

Oh and also the fact that your not really 'Republican' or a proud Irishman unless you are fluent aparantly.

Those oppressive teachers should have rammed a bit of English down your throat too!
Please don't take offence Karlitos. I couldn't resist.

eroo

Uh-Oh

deadwood

I'm sorry! It's a compulsive thing. (I'll bet someone has OCD and I shouldn't be so insensitive etc..)

metman

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Agreed, speaking Irish just too show they can. You sound like a bunch of RA heads practising how too give your names and addresses as Gaeilge.

Tsk tsk Karl.

As for looking like a RA head, I find that highly unlikely in my case :P

Eru

deadwood wrote: »

Those oppressive teachers should have rammed a bit of English down your throat too!
Please don't take offence Karlitos. I couldn't resist.

two mistakes, christ your picky!

deadwood

Zero tolerance. I know how standards matter to you.
I'm not too hot on germanic languages () and latin, though.
A very measured response Mr Way1978. I'm suspicious. I had the sudo creme in the fridge.

Eru

deadwood wrote: »

Zero tolerance. I know how standards matter to you.
I'm not too hot on germanic languages () and latin, though.
A very measured response Mr Way1978. I'm suspicious. I had the sudo creme in the fridge.

World of difference between a friendly piss-take and an arsehole talking ****. I can appreciate the first one.

Anyway, surely Vaseline would be the better option? Not that Im an expert on that or anything :P

jaffa20

Alors, voyons qu'on parle l'anglais et l'irlandais ici. Pourquoi pas parler un peu de francais aussi. Je deteste la langue irlandaise. C'est trop dur et je m'en fous si la police ne le parle. Environs 00000000.1 % de la popluation irlandaise la parle couramment.

Eru

jaffa20 wrote: »

Alors, voyons qu'on parle l'anglais et l'irlandais ici. Pourquoi pas parler un peu de francais aussi.

No

deadwood

jaffa20 wrote: »

Environs 00000000.1 % de la popluation irlandaise la parle couramment.

In English, French or As Gaeilge 00000000.1%is still=0.1%.
It's all in the detail.
You're right though.
I'd like to do Polish or Chinese classes as i'm much more likely to need that than the cúla focail.

deadwood

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

World of difference between a friendly piss-take and an arsehole talking ****. I can appreciate the first one.

You're right. There's a difference between scratching it and tearing it.
Anyway, surely Vaseline would be the better option? Not that Im an expert on that or anything :P

..without the sand in.

deadwood

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

World of difference between a friendly piss-take and an arsehole talking ****. I can appreciate the first one.

You're right. There's a difference between scratching it and tearing it.

Anyway, surely Vaseline would be the better option? Not that Im an expert on that or anything :P

..without the sand in.

civdef

We gots a serious thread drift developing here....

metman

jaffa20 wrote: »

Alors, voyons qu'on parle l'anglais et l'irlandais ici. Pourquoi pas parler un peu de francais aussi. Je deteste la langue irlandaise. C'est trop dur et je m'en fous si la police ne le parle. Environs 00000000.1 % de la popluation irlandaise la parle couramment.

Pourquoi non? Because the majority speak English, with a minority speaking Gaelic. French isn't one of the country's two languages, cromprenez vous?

Vous destestez irlandaise? Aussi pourquoi? Perhaps ignorance on your part.

La police ne le parle. Ignorance again, tsk tsk.

A fraction speak it, c'est vrai. Sadly.

donvito99

Tabhair dom an caca milis!

eroo

Uhh lord,the not so distant memories of those horrible Thursday mornings.It's wet,cold and I'm tired.I struggle to fend off sleep pangs.It can be only 1 thing;IRISH class'!!!
Please,it was a year ago but I'm still feeling the effects!

dave-c

hey folks, i am trying to become a member of the garda siochana. does anybody actually know when they recruit because i am a member of that publicjobs.ie and have heard nothin back. seems like forever. a friend told me that they usually recruit this time of year but i havent heard of anything.... anybody help???

Eru

dave-c wrote: »

hey folks, i am trying to become a member of the garda siochana. does anybody actually know when they recruit because i am a member of that publicjobs.ie and have heard nothin back. seems like forever. a friend told me that they usually recruit this time of year but i havent heard of anything.... anybody help???

Go to the Garda recruitment section, tsk poor detective skills

Faheywitane

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Agreed, speaking Irish just too show they can. You sound like a bunch of RA heads practising how too give your names and addresses as Gaeilge.

I can just about speak the basics (enough to demand name and address and caution). Why after 14 years can I not speak it? Because Im bad at languages in general and found Irish too be even trickier than the latin and germanic languages.

Why do I hate it? Because it was rammed down my throat for 14 years, my teachers mocked me and punished me in equal measure for not being gifted at it, then blocked my chosen career until I went back too school in my mid 20s and put myself through that **** all over again just so I could do a job that it turns out doesnt really need it.

Oh and also the fact that your not really 'Republican' or a proud Irishman unless you are fluent aparantly.

This is the reason Irish should not be compulsory, the ramming it down the throat method breeds hatred. I love the language and speaking it but I
wouldn't force it on anyone.

dave-c

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Go to the Garda recruitment section, tsk poor detective skills

I've been on that and it said register onto Publicjobs.ie, so i did, thats why i'm stuck with this problem!!!! ahhhhhhhh HELP

Eru

dave-c wrote: »

I've been on that and it said register onto Publicjobs.ie, so i did, thats why i'm stuck with this problem!!!! ahhhhhhhh HELP

No I meant in this forum, theres a section all about recruitment and I doubt very much that your concerns have not or will not be addressed by other folks in your position

dlofnep

deadwood wrote: »

I'd like to do Polish or Chinese classes as i'm much more likely to need that than the cúla focail.

Cúpla focal

As far as Irish goes, this whole "rammed down my throat" is a bunch of nonsense. It was apart of your curriculum. History & Geography were too. I can't remember the last time I had to use either of those in work.

Anywho - I have been learning it on my own accord over the past year and I find it to be interesting, especially in the manner with which I learn it (which is all conversational).

And no, you don't have to be a 'RA head' to speak Irish. I am the only one in my conversational group here in Waterford that's one Republican persuasion (not that I fit your neat cliché of "RA head"). Everyone that is learning the language, or who is speaking it on the conversational night is doing it without an agenda.. They do it because they find it interesting. A lost chapter in Irish culture. Many of them teachers.

snubbleste

micmclo wrote: »

So is it a requirement for a Garda to be fluent in Irish before getting assigned to a Gaeltecht area?

Does'nt seem like it. I had reason during the summer to go to my local garda station which covers a gaeltacht area and was made to feel like i was causing trouble for trying to conduct my business as gaeilge.

dlofnep

snubbleste wrote: »

Does'nt seem like it. I had reason during the summer to go to my local garda station which covers a gaeltacht area and was made to feel like i was causing trouble for trying to conduct my business as gaeilge.

That's a shame. You have every right to conduct any business in Gaeilge.

Eru

dlofnep wrote: »

Cúpla focal

As far as Irish goes, this whole "rammed down my throat" is a bunch of nonsense. It was apart of your curriculum. History & Geography were too. I can't remember the last time I had to use either of those in work.

Anywho - I have been learning it on my own accord over the past year and I find it to be interesting, especially in the manner with which I learn it (which is all conversational).

And no, you don't have to be a 'RA head' to speak Irish. I am the only one in my conversational group here in Waterford that's one Republican persuasion (not that I fit your neat cliché of "RA head"). Everyone that is learning the language, or who is speaking it on the conversational night is doing it without an agenda.. They do it because they find it interesting. A lost chapter in Irish culture. Many of them teachers.

Well Im thinking that you have used Geography at some point in your life. How else would you know where your next holiday destination is? Also, Geography and history are chosen for the leaving cert, you can take them or leave them.

Second point, if you are not in the know or part of the banter dont comment. My statement was directed at users of the site who know me and my humour.

Third, you cannot possible make such a statement. How do you know why everyone is doing anything? I know that the only people that have spoken Irish to me are giving me their names and addresses and usually have questionable connections. As you stated your no part of the IRA then you cannot speak on their behalf can you?

So is Irish history

dlofnep wrote: »

That's a shame. You have every right to conduct any business in Gaeilge.

Having a right doesnt mean you should use it. He was in the station looking for our help, therefore if the Garda didnt have fluent Irish would it not make sense to speak in English? Honestly, this is what Im talking about. Forcing the language on people that have neither the desire or ability to respond.

dlofnep

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Well Im thinking that you have used Geography at some point in your life. How else would you know where your next holiday destination is? Also, Geography and history are chosen for the leaving cert, you can take them or leave them.

I have also used Irish, alot more infact than Geography throughout my life. Don't get me wrong, I find both history and geography fascinating. I never at any point felt that they were forced down my throat, nor was Irish. It's those choice of words that come across as part of an agenda against the language.

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Third, you cannot possible make such a statement. How do you know why everyone is doing anything?

Um, did you not read what I said? I said "as a apart of a conversational group." IE: A group of people with which I meet up with weekly to speak Irish. And how can I make a statement? Quite simple, I asked them all on the first night what their reason was for learning the language.. They stated that they found it interesting and that they wanted to be able to speak their own language. Nothing more.

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

I know that the only people that have spoken Irish to me are giving me their names and addresses and usually have questionable connections. As you stated your no part of the IRA then you cannot speak on their behalf can you?

Speak on who's behalf? So if someone speaks to you in Irish, they have questionable connections? Right. That demonstrates your ignorance, not anybody elses. I guess all people who speak Arabic are members of the taliban too, right?

Karlitosway1978 wrote: »

Having a right doesnt mean you should use it. He was in the station looking for our help, therefore if the Garda didnt have fluent Irish would it not make sense to speak in English? Honestly, this is what Im talking about. Forcing the language on people that have neither the desire or ability to respond.

If they live in the Gaeltacht, then chances are it is their first language. People are always most comfortable in speaking in their first language. And by the constitution of the Republic - Irish is our first language and we have every right to use it. Furthermore, the station was in a Gaeltacht area, so the Garda would have been more than used to Irish speakers.

Why should we bend over backwards to cater to your inability to speak Irish, especially in an office in a Gaeltacht region?

Faheywitane

dlofnep wrote: »

Speak on who's behalf? So if someone speaks to you in Irish, they have questionable connections? Right. That demonstrates your ignorance, not anybody elses. I guess all people who speak Arabic are members of the taliban too, right?

In fairness thats not what Karlito said, he said the people who have chosen to
conduct their gnó as Gaeilge with him have had dubious conections not that
they are questionable because they speak as Gaeilge.

The compulsory method has been tried for 80+ years and has failed.

Ba comhair don rialtas an airgead atá i usaid faoi lathair le haghaidh
an teanga a muanadh i gach scoil a bogadh go dtí na gaelscoileanna
amhain. Feabhasaigh se shin stadas an teanga i mó thuraim.

Whatever about Gardai not being able to conduct business effectively as Gaeilge many primary school teachers can barely speak it let alone
teach it.

Teaching of Gaeilge should be kept to Gaelscoileana amhain.