Good first car?

duffhead1010

Hey,
I'm thinking about buying my first car but I'm not sure what to go for.
I was wondering if anyone can suggest a good model.
I'd like a Japanese, RWD (for drifting) car, not with a huge engine and not something like a micra.
I wanted a Trueno but they're imports...:(

I'd appreciate any help.

miss enzo

first car + RWD isnt really a good combo id say!! if u dont want an import ur fairly limited on the RWD front anyway!

I would always suggest gettin something fairly small (1.3ish) for a while then buy bigger if u want!! ive seen ppl buy stupid cars as their first cars (type r tegs etc.) and they just dont respect the power/speed!

as you havent mentioned what kind of license you have, how many years you've been driving, have you had previous insurance policies etc its very hard to give you some suggestions!!!

Im just gonna say i wouldnt recommend a RWD!

duffhead1010

I've only just got my full licence.:( 1.3 sounds good, I know what you mean about RWD, but I read that it's best for drifts, but I should listen to the experts:)

SV

Look..most honest thing you've going to hear is this, For your first car, drifting should be the very last thing on your mind.

Get something cheap and safe.

challengemaster

Gonna have to agree. Wait a while before it. Tbh, if you can, get a second crappy car for learning to drift in (Legally, on private property or something)..

And afaik its nearly impossible if not seriously hard to drift a FWD car.

Vain

Dont go for something over 1.4 anyway, I know a guy who had a si as his first. Its not like he couldnt drive its just that he didnt respect the power it had and let the car get damaged, Plus uv to think about insurance and tax and petrol...

duffhead1010

You guys are right...
So anyone know any good safe japanese cars, with a 1.4 engine or less?

Bobo78

umm, Honda Civic perhaps:rolleyes:

miss enzo

Bobo78 wrote: »

umm, Honda Civic perhaps:rolleyes:

toyota corolla..... easier to insure, not as easily robbed and a brilliant little all round car!!


I started out with a 1.3 corolla, imported a 1.5 DOHC MX3 and now i have a 2l V6 mivec FTO!

Ur better off gettin something ****ty first cause ul always have a few little tips while parking and that at first!

there are PLENTY of great little jap cars that are easy to insure, cheap to tax and run that will be perfect.
doesnt really matter what u get to be honest, 99% of ppl dont keep their first car long anyway so no point spending a fortune on it either!

colm_mcm

Mazda 323f, faultlessly reliable and still a good looker.

duffhead1010

Thanx for that miss enzo, the 323f sounds good too.
Does anyone know if the ae86 trueno was released in europe? Probably called Carolla.
I doubt I'd get a honda civic however.

miss enzo

Ya there are irish cams! (ie non-jap imports!) and yes they are called corolla cams!


Nice and all as it would be to get a cam as ur first car they are hard to insure!!

L-M

Lol, i wouldn't advise you buy a car just on the basis that you want to drift, you'll see either find the car rapped around a poll in some car park or find yourself off the road for dangerous driving imo.

Buy something like a g6 corrola hatch. 3 doors, 1.3 sporty looking, elec windows and sunroof. Alloys and the lot. Keep it for a few months, practice your driving, and then buy something a bit more powerful when the insurance calms down a bit.

duffhead1010

The g6 is a pretty good car, so I'll consider that.
Why are the cams so hard to insure?

L-M

duffhead1010 wrote: »

The g6 is a pretty good car, so I'll consider that.
Why are the cams so hard to insure?

Because of the rep they hold, the fact that the are rwd and fairly powerfuly. They just treat it as some old 1.6 corolla lol

SV

duffhead1010 wrote: »

The g6 is a pretty good car, so I'll consider that.
Why are the cams so hard to insure?

Because of their nature..


seriously, I'm seeing nothing but bad for your future in driving.

Sure you're not the same guy who wanted an rx7 as his first car?

duffhead1010

ClioV6 wrote: »

Because of their nature..


seriously, I'm seeing nothing but bad for your future in driving.

Sure you're not the same guy who wanted an rx7 as his first car?

Don't be ridiculous:rolleyes:
I've been driving for a year, an rx- 7 is way to powerful, not to mention expensive for me.
Sorry if I want to be original and not buy a punto or civic.
It's not like I'm going to drift in the middle of the day on a public road, although It's fair to assume that.
Miss enzo do you know what the twin cam carolla's are called? I'd really like to cneck them out. Dunno bout buyin 1 tho...

miss enzo

they're called twin cam corolla's ironically enuf! or irish cams!
from what i understand (and i dont mean to offend anyone here by sayin this) but according to some ppl the irish cams aint as good as the jap ones!

duffhead1010

Something makes me completely agree with that!:D

SV

duffhead1010 wrote: »

Sorry if I want to be original and not buy a punto or civic.

So ya wanna buy a jap RWD car instead..

uh huh..I see how it's so much more original.



you're gonna kill yourself in a RWD car.


Just out of interest, what did you learn to drive in and do your test in?

zero19

challengemaster wrote: »

Gonna have to agree. Wait a while before it. Tbh, if you can, get a second crappy car for learning to drift in (Legally, on private property or something)..

And afaik its nearly impossible if not seriously hard to drift a FWD car.

I remember seeing a video of a guy in japan who competes in drift comps in an FWD EF Civic, he was pretty much on the handbrake the whole time lol

PaulKK

There is some sound advice here. I would say its not surprising that noone is suggesting a rwd to you.

Drifting requires a lot of skill, have you ever tried it in any car?
I would say that since this is your first car maybe you should get a fwd and become fully comfortable in getting to be in complete control of a car in lots of situations.

I'll hold my hand up and say I've nearly been caught out in my 2 fwd cars on ice and wet corners with the back slipping out, and on a powerful rwd you need to have developed the skill to handle this.

I'd say you'll get sick of drifting pretty quickly too! Not much advantage to it and its not good for your car, not to mention the cost of tyres!

I'll make one suggestion to you if you MUST have a rwd. I'm not into japs much so I'll say an e36 coupe, maybe a 316i or a 318is if insurance isn't too bad for you, BMWs aren't generally loaded too badly.

Other suggestions here are good too however, a G6R would appeal.
Other japs could include the 1.6 Impreza if you want something sporty looking, or perhaps a 1.3 lancer.

Why does it have to be japanese? You watching the fast and the furious a little bit too much?

duffhead1010

ClioV6 wrote: »

So ya wanna buy a jap RWD car instead..

uh huh..I see how it's so much more original.



you're gonna kill yourself in a RWD car.


Just out of interest, what did you learn to drive in and do your test in?

It's original compared to what my mates drive. :rolleyes: I'm gonna learn to drive a rwd eventually anyway so I might aswell start with something small-ish. I learned and did my test in my da's mazda 323, which has a 1.3 engine. Someone's very pessimistic...
Anyway what's your authority on rwds? Do you own one? Have you ever owned one? Have you even driven one?

miss enzo

well i have an opinion on rwd's since my fellas has an RX7 and belive me rwd aint easy! ive been drivin since im 18 (24 now) and i was havin a bit of bother holdin the arse in comin off roundabouts!!! and no i wasnt even tryin to throw it out before u ask!

FWD is grand u can put the shoe down and keep straight, in a RWD coming out of a bend if u give too much shoe the arse will step out! and its easier than you would think to lose control of it!!

plus who cares what ur mates drive! doesnt matter what car u get someone will always get the same!! i got an MX3 cause i thought they weren't that common... oh how wrong i was!!! have an FTO now and even tho i see less of them i still see them more than id like too!:p

challengemaster

Actually, if you're serious about the drifting thing - a 318i would be perfect to start with. Oh an regards the cost of tires for it, if you can pick up a spare set of alloys (or two), arrange to take the semi-worns off your local tyre dealer - they're fine for drifting in, and you can change the tyres back for normal use

duffhead1010

Well I learned on a japanese car and I never really thought about getting a bmw. I should have said this before, but the real reason I wanted a rwd is because my cousin let me drive his silvia and taught me a bit about drifting and I thought "This is for me."
Don't insult me with your fast and the furious crap, that's got f**k all to do with the cars.

PaulKK

duffhead1010 wrote: »

Well I learned on a japanese car and I never really thought about getting a bmw. I should have said this before, but the real reason I wanted a rwd is because my cousin let me drive his silvia and taught me a bit about drifting and I thought "This is for me."
Don't insult me with your fast and the furious crap, that's got f**k all to do with the cars.

Jaysus calm down there lad, no need to get insulted, no insult was ment, only trying to help.

You should of just said the real reason from the start, otherwise people are going to think your getting ahead of yourself with no experiance!

Just because you learned on a jap doesn't mean you can only drive them

Nothing wrong with them either by the way, they just don't float my boat.

I'll stand by my suggestion of a 316i/318is, as challangemaster has agreed.
I think it would be perfect balance of power/reasonable insurance for a first rwd car.

challengemaster wrote: »

Actually, if you're serious about the drifting thing - a 318i would be perfect to start with. Oh an regards the cost of tires for it, if you can pick up a spare set of alloys (or two), arrange to take the semi-worns off your local tyre dealer - they're fine for drifting in, and you can change the tyres back for normal use

Listen and learn

woop

yeh the 316 would be good as youre first rwd............theyre good looking too

but I still think you should get fwd..............you might say to yourself you want the power and the driftability(not a word).........but inexperienced you could easily end up in a ditch............plus if you start of in something smaller youll always respect the power and how much better youre car handle etc in comparison to others

why not just buy a fwd and get youre cousin to give you a bit more experience

theres also the fact youll find it very hard to get insured on a hachi-roku

Dolph Starbeam

What is your budget?

JimmyCrackCorn!

Would you not just get a normal car that you could insure for reasonable money. You have to learn how to walk before you take up gymnastics.

Most rwd cars especially those with a little power and no traction control will punish you sevearly for being rough with the throttle and brake work.

When you have a little experience go to tramp drift by a rotten sierra or volvo (weld the diff) and have your fun in that. At least if you bend it itll be on private property.


see:http://www.trampdrift.com/ (when they eventually fix there databse)

Dolph Starbeam

Mate i'd listen to the advice your getting on here, if you do buy a twin cam corolla i'd expect you to be selling it pretty quick cause you won't get insured on it even though it has a smallish engine. Like most rwd cars it will be classed to insurers as a sports car and you'll find it hard to get insured without 3 or 4 years ncb.

duffhead1010

So I guess that's settled it, I won't be gettin' a rwd for a few years. Can people still suggest a good 1st drift car? The Bmws are pretty cool but I still want to know if there's better one's to be had.
Thanks so far.:D

Dolph Starbeam

Nearly any rwd nissan would be a good choice, butagain what is your budget?

duffhead1010

4000 euro.

Dolph Starbeam

is insurance included in that?

duffhead1010

God no

Vain

How about if you buy a good first car something 1.4, 1.3 and then keep on to a few bob and if you have any big enough yard or a friend has one you could buy a cheap rwd car like a omega or sierra and practice your drifting there, At least that way you wont kill yourself or someone else trying to drift on a main road.

My friend has a yard and he bought a omega its a mv6 3.5L ex English cop car:D and we go out there the odd time and do a bit of drifting and its a laugh and its more importantly safe and not putting anyone else at risk of injury.

duffhead1010

Yeah, the rwd won't be my first car, and I'll be able to improve on that number by then. I check out those cars. thanks

colm_mcm

duffhead1010 wrote: »

I won't be gettin' a rwd for a few years. Can people still suggest a good 1st drift car?

Do you actually know what drifting is?

duffhead1010

colm_mcm wrote: »

Do you actually know what drifting is?

Yes, It's gearing down into a bend so your rear wheels can slide, helping you get out of turn quicker.
Did you think I meant I was getting a fwd for drifting? I didn't, I meant I was going to get a rwd car eventually.

challengemaster

Well that answers that one.

Lol. Please actually try that. Downshift into a bend.. you'll be in a ditch faster than you realise. If it was as easy as getting a RWD car and downshifting into a corner, everyone would be at it professionally.

Do you just expect once you downshift that the cars weight will automatically go, or are you waiting for the drift fairies to do that one for you? Sorry bud, but you'll have to actually cause the back to kick out. I suggest you look up drifting techniques.

Pulling the E-brake is the most common and probably easiest drift technique to get right starting off, as its where everyone starts. The only other really beginner technique there (which i'd suggest for after you've gotten the hang of E-brake drifting) would be powersliding. Seriously, I'd reccomend doing a drift course with somebody, maybe prodrift? Please do some sort of reading up before you attempt drifting. You will probably kill yourself otherwise...

miss enzo

challengemaster wrote: »

Seriously, I'd reccomend doing a drift course with somebody, maybe prodrift? Please do some sort of reading up before you attempt drifting. You will probably kill yourself otherwise...

agreed!!!

duffhead1010

I explain myself wrong once again!
I know you have to brake and make the car slide.
Right here goes again,
You downshift into a turn, pulling the break or the handbreak ( It varies from person to person) , cause the car to slide and turn the bend, then bring the rear of the car back to where it was before.
Do people not have any faith in anybody on this forum?

Anyway thanks for those beginner drifts.

colm_mcm

No offence duffhead1010, just the thoughts of a learner driver coming sideways towards me on a bend scares me.

As suggested, maybe get some lessons and see if this is for you.

duffhead1010

colm_mcm wrote: »

No offence duffhead1010, just the thoughts of a learner driver coming sideways towards me on a bend scares me.

As suggested, maybe get some lessons and see if this is for you.

Be very afraid! lol
Maybe.

JimmyCrackCorn!

duffhead1010 wrote: »

I explain myself wrong once again!
I know you have to brake and make the car slide.
Right here goes again,
You downshift into a turn, pulling the break or the handbreak ( It varies from person to person) , cause the car to slide and turn the bend, then bring the rear of the car back to where it was before.
Do people not have any faith in anybody on this forum?

Anyway thanks for those beginner drifts.

Its your supreme confidence in yourself that worries me.

Take it from me i was 25 before i drove anything with poke and rwd. I had killed 3 cars with mileage(since 18) and the car scared me so much on the first day that i thought very seriously about selling it.

If you do splash out and pay the massive money for a twin cam and the massive insurance i hope you have a very level head or on a wet day youll just be that tiny bit two eager on the throttle leaving a roundabout and you better know what to do. It only takes a fraction of a second or the tinyes misjudgemnt of how smooth the tar is.

It happend to me on a number of occasions and i knew how to recover the car without overcomposating.

These cars do not tolerate fools and catch very experience drivers out all the time fact.

Dolph Starbeam

duffhead1010 wrote: »

Do people not have any faith in anybody on this forum?

Ye i do, but not when someone wants to buy a car for drifting as there first car. As said to you already go get some real lessons on drifting, its not as simple as you make it sound as as Colm says none of us want to meet a young lad coming towards us sideways learning to drift, when he doesn't even know how to drive:rolleyes:

SV

Lads..in fairness I think we know what type of person duffhead is.

And they're not going to care how much advice is given..they want to drive a drift car laaaad.. :rolleyes:

good luck with your driving life..cos god knows you're gonna need it.

as for your questions btw, Yes I have drove many RWD cars, I have lost control of many, I have never owned one and don't plan on owning one for many years. They are raw machines and as said..they do not tolerate fools.

duffhead1010

JimmyCrackCorn! wrote: »

Its your supreme confidence in yourself that worries me.

Take it from me i was 25 before i drove anything with poke and rwd. I had killed 3 cars with mileage(since 18) and the car scared me so much on the first day that i thought very seriously about selling it.

If you do splash out and pay the massive money for a twin cam and the massive insurance i hope you have a very level head or on a wet day youll just be that tiny bit two eager on the throttle leaving a roundabout and you better know what to do. It only takes a fraction of a second or the tinyes misjudgemnt of how smooth the tar is.

It happend to me on a number of occasions and i knew how to recover the car without overcomposating.

These cars do not tolerate fools and catch very experience drivers out all the time fact.

Yeah, but then again I'm not gonna buy one for a long while yet, and I doubt I'll buy a Twin Cam, but I think I have the cop-on not to boy-race with it. Do you mind me askin' which car you got?

duffhead1010

ClioV6 wrote: »

Lads..in fairness I think we know what type of person duffhead is.

And they're not going to care how much advice is given..they want to drive a drift car laaaad.. :rolleyes:

good luck with your driving life..cos god knows you're gonna need it.

as for your questions btw, Yes I have drove many RWD cars, I have lost control of many, I have never owned one and don't plan on owning one for many years. They are raw machines and as said..they do not tolerate fools.

Really I've learned alot from these posts and i now know not get a rwd til i've got alot more experience.
Sorry if I was over-confident, but I didn't cop-on straight away. Thanks

Dolph Starbeam

Mate its good to know you or hope you do have the cop on not to go for a rwd car as a 1st car, learn how to drive for a good few years efore you hop into a rwd car. I have a n/a mr2 myself, great handling car in the dry and even wet but if i abuse it at all it kicks, screams and bites me in the ass. Its not fun!

We're only giving friendly advice, A nice little Sir Civic or something would be perfect, lovely car. Rwd jdm car isn't the best thing in the world. Maybe a Toyota Levin could be your 2nd car. Keep the drifting to the track or go to Tokyo:)