First offical pic of the new avensis - what ya think???

Galway_guy_33

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/News/Search-Results/First-Official-Pictures/Toyota-Avensis-2009-the-first-photograph2/?content-block=1

thats_life

Wonder what the front of it looks like?

Stevie Dakota

Looks fussy, hate the door handles. No doubt it will look better in the flesh.

L1011

Decent for a taxi...

VH

in grey with missing hub caps and a diesel stain down the side from the fuel tank it mightnt look so good:)

Bandara

why didn't they just be done with it and badge it "SUL"

Sh1t Ugly Lexus

:P

brundle

Very poor busy design and it will date very quick. Hope they put some decent plastics inside this time at least

paulksnn

Anyone else think it looks very like the new mondeo?

Stevie Dakota

paulksnn wrote: »

Anyone else think it looks very like the new mondeo?

No, it's not that bad...

Zube

From the CAR article:

Toyota knows its customers well and this Avensis will be perfect to many buyers wanting nothing more than comfortable, trouble-free transport from A to B.

That matches the dull styling perfectly, and it will no doubt sell by the shedload.

cashmni1

Zube wrote: »

From the CAR article:

Toyota knows its customers well and this Avensis will be perfect to many buyers wanting nothing more than comfortable, trouble-free transport from A to B.

That matches the dull styling perfectly, and it will no doubt sell by the shedload.

+1
exactly, dull and boring. The irish markey will go mad for it. The reputation alone will sell that car.

E92

cashmni1 wrote: »

+1
exactly, dull and boring. The irish markey will go mad for it. The reputation alone will sell that car.

Toyota and VW are selling on their former glory for reliability, nothing else, though that won't stop the Avensis for regaining its number 1 slot in the family car segment, as VW haven't been making reliable cars for over a decade and yet VW still sells by the bucketload. This will only increase when VW sells cars directly(just look at how much better BMW and Mazda sell now that they import directly to Ireland) and offers more eco friendly engines like the Bluemotion models here.

Modern Toyotas feel sh!t inside in them, the Corolla are Auris in particular are most guilty of this crime. They just don't feel as solid as Toyotas of old(the older ones have terrible interiors but at least they feel like they're built to last, the newer ones are still terrible but now they don't feel like they're built to last).

Indeed around 1 in every 5 new cars is a Volkswagen, or a Volkswagen Group product(i.e. Seat, Skoda or Audi).

I presume the new Avensis will be as uninvolving to drive as the current one, like all Toyotas are. I'm relieved to see that they're keeping the independent rear suspension though, I really thought they'd get rid of that as part of their massive cost cutting programme.

How much is the betting that Toyota will bring in paddy specials with a miniscule amount of equipment as standard, like they do with the Auris and Corolla?

L-M

E92 wrote: »

How much is the betting that Toyota will bring in paddy specials with a miniscule amount of equipment as standard, like they do with the Auris and Corolla?

I don't think it requires a bet, it's more than likely going to happen. And when it does, i'll be there to laugh it off lol.

I actually don't think it looks very bad, it's the poor mans IS.

bazz26

The more I look at those "Fisher Price" type door handles the more they look wrong.

Will reserve final judgement until I see it in the flesh though.

L-M

I think we should organise a "Motors meet to see the new Avensis" since there's been so much discussion on it.:P

ShiverinEskimo

E92 wrote: »

How much is the betting that Toyota will bring in paddy specials with a miniscule amount of equipment as standard, like they do with the Auris and Corolla?

Isn't the spec of every car much lower in the Irish market because of the higher price of the car after VRT?

As for anyone complaining of how dull and boring it is, it's a cheap family car. You have to spend 40k+ before you start getting truly nice cars. Toyota does what it does best, reliable, practical.

Ice_Box

more pics

Bobo78

Ice_Box wrote: »

more pics

Not that nice at all, front doesnt look good at all to me.

L-M

Oh no, that's not really the front is it? Oh god, the back looks alot nicer. Ah i hope they haven't ruined it.

VH

i like it from the back & rear 3/4 view - looks lexus IS like - headlights are awful

ninty9er

That front profile gives it a "múinteoir crosta" look:(

vibe666

it looks like toyota were on one of those programs where they show you what your kids will look like when you grow up, and did it on a Yaris.

also 2nd the ugly Lexus IS too, esp. from the back.

but as you say, it'll sell by the shedload.

Zube

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

As for anyone complaining of how dull and boring it is, it's a cheap family car. You have to spend 40k+ before you start getting truly nice cars.

People like me who hate Toyota family cars don't complain because they are more boring than a BMW, we complain because they are more boring than a Ford.

maidhc

Zube wrote: »

People like me who hate Toyota family cars don't complain because they are more boring than a BMW, we complain because they are more boring than a Ford.

+1

Zonda999

That front is revolting IMO.No wonder they showed us the back first:rolleyes:

keepherlit

looks half way between a corrolla and the new mazda 6. another rep mobile on the way!!!

Tragedy

Ugly, Estate looks a lot nicer.

Vain

Don’t like the look of the old model or the new one. There is just something that puts me off ever buying one its either because everyone has one so it looks as cheap as chips or that its just plain ugly and not a eye turner:P

ShiverinEskimo

Zube wrote: »

People like me who hate Toyota family cars don't complain because they are more boring than a BMW, we complain because they are more boring than a Ford.

More boring than a Ford? Jesus, certainly seem to be measuring in tiny amounts. Mondeos, Vectras, Avensisesesisis, etc are all piss boring. To say one is more boring than the next is as pedantic as it gets. They are all boring cars, practical cars tend to be.

Stevie Dakota

Yet another lousy Toyota design, and look at that dated interior with a Mazda 6 wheel bolted on.

maidhc

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

More boring than a Ford? Jesus, certainly seem to be measuring in tiny amounts. Mondeos, Vectras, Avensisesesisis, etc are all piss boring. To say one is more boring than the next is as pedantic as it gets. They are all boring cars, practical cars tend to be.

You should include the BMW 3 and 5 series and Mercedes C and E classes into that if you measure things in that regard.

ShiverinEskimo

maidhc wrote: »

You should include the BMW 3 and 5 series and Mercedes C and E classes into that if you measure things in that regard.

yes and no. If you're talking base-spec 3 series and 5 series then yes. But the top-spec of each are savage cars and far from boring if you take the coupés and M-series into account. Even top-spec Mondeos/Vectras/Avensii are still boring cars. They are what they are - they aren't trying to be stylish world-beaters.

maidhc

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

yes and no. If you're talking base-spec 3 series and 5 series then yes. But the top-spec of each are savage cars and far from boring if you take the coupés and M-series into account. Even top-spec Mondeos/Vectras/Avensii are still boring cars. They are what they are - they aren't trying to be stylish world-beaters.

Yes, well horses for courses, there is a reason there are only a handful of m5s sold a year. The point is a mondeo is head and shoulders above an avensis, and if you drive both the differences become very apparent. A mid spec mondeo is a good competitor for a BMW 5 series, the Avensis isn't.

Zube

maidhc wrote: »

The point is a mondeo is head and shoulders above an avensis, and if you drive both the differences become very apparent.

Not only that, but the Toyota is like that on purpose. We all know what the first drive reports of the new one will say:"Competent, boring, this is no Mondeo to drive, but probably won't break down".

VW improved the Golf Mk V over the Mk IV because the Focus was better to drive. Toyota really don't care that the Mondeo is better, and will not improve the Avensis so that it drives or handles well, ever, because Avensis buyers don't care either.

ShiverinEskimo

Yes but Ford's reliability has severe question marks over it. It depends what you want out of a car, a good looking car that comes with high garage costs, or a poor looking car that will out-live you.

maidhc wrote:

A mid spec mondeo is a good competitor for a BMW 5 series

I'm sorry - I just can't agree with this. But as you said - horses for courses.

Cosmo K

A least, its 10000% better looking then the current model, which looks a bit........well, baroque.....or boring.....or old fashioned.....or plain ugly....

Wolverine_1999

Terrible.. the front and rear window support beams slope down waaay too much which makes the car look like a giant egg.

Just another Toyota which looks like a erratic cube which you'll be stuck with for 10 years because of their reliability

Kintarō Hattori

I quite like the styling of the current avensis but the new one just looks fugly. Shame really.

maidhc

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Yes but Ford's reliability has severe question marks over it.

??? Does it?

I would say that considering the feedback from the Auris, is it Toyota have issues with reliability. Ford are one of the more reliable cars out there since the Mondeo arrived in 1992 and they stopped using accountants to design cars.

mcwhirter

Avensis, Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwn

VeVeX

Zube wrote: »

Toyota really don't care that the Mondeo is better, and will not improve the Avensis so that it drives or handles well, ever, because Avensis buyers don't care either.

Well said.

Since when did anybody buy a Toyota family car for its handling or looks?



The majority of Toyota buyers are looking for a reliable registration plate.

Cormic

That's not a pretty car. Seems that all the familty saloon models are now starting to look the same. Or am I just getting on a bit?

E92

See Autocar for more.

What presumably will be the best selling variant here, the 2.0 D-4D, has 125 bhp and 229 lb ft of torque, a big improvement on the present favourite, the 1.6 petrol with just 108 bhp and only 111 lb ft. The new favourite, the D-4D has more than double the torque of the 1.6, so obviously for those obsessed by the 1.6, this is the model to go for.

The petrols vary in size from 1.6-2.0 litres and in power from 132 bhp to 152 bhp.

Hopefully, we won't be getting the 1.6, the signs aren't too good considering Opel saw fit to bring in 1.6 in the Insignia, and the Vectra sold far fewer copies than the Avensis ever did here.

bazz26

E92 wrote: »

See Autocar for more.

What presumably will be the best selling variant here, the 2.0 D-4D, has 125 bhp and 229 lb ft of torque, a big improvement on the present favourite, the 1.6 petrol with just 108 bhp and only 111 lb ft. The new favourite, the D-4D has more than double the torque of the 1.6, so obviously for those obsessed by the 1.6, this is the model to go for.

The petrols vary in size from 1.6-2.0 litres and in power from 132 bhp to 152 bhp.

Hopefully, we won't be getting the 1.6, the signs aren't too good considering Opel saw fit to bring in 1.6 in the Insignia, and the Vectra sold far fewer copies than the Avensis ever did here.

Chances are we will get the 1.6 petrol too as it looks like it is being offered in the UK also with 132bhp afaik. The best of the petrol engines seems to be the 1.8 which has an impressive 147bhp and a new 6 speed gearbox. 2.0 litre petrol only offers about 5bhp more than the 1.8 litre though which seems poor. No mention however of how clean these engines are with regards Co2 levels which must not be good or they would be singing about it.

The big news for derv fans is that the 2.2 (150bhp) diesel will the be available with an automatic gearbox (tiptronic to be exact) which is a first for Jap diesels in Europe. Taxi drivers will be delighted. The other 2.2 diesel (180bhp) has a manual only.

AugustusMaximus

ShiverinEskimo wrote: »

Yes but Ford's reliability has severe question marks over it. It depends what you want out of a car, a good looking car that comes with high garage costs, or a poor looking car that will out-live you.



I'm sorry - I just can't agree with this. But as you said - horses for courses.

Have bought several ford and over all this time, I've had one thing go. the coil in a focus I had.

Garage fixed it for free eventhough my warranty had elapsed as it goes in all focuses after 70,000 miles.

Apart from that no trouble whatsoever.

colm_mcm

E92 wrote: »

What presumably will be the best selling variant here, the 2.0 D-4D, has 125 bhp and 229 lb ft of torque, a big improvement on the present favourite, the 1.6 petrol with just 108 bhp and only 111 lb ft. The new favourite, the D-4D has more than double the torque of the 1.6, so obviously for those obsessed by the 1.6, this is the model to go for.

The petrols vary in size from 1.6-2.0 litres and in power from 132 bhp to 152 bhp.

Hopefully, we won't be getting the 1.6, the signs aren't too good considering Opel saw fit to bring in 1.6 in the Insignia, and the Vectra sold far fewer copies than the Avensis ever did here.

Can you not give credit where it's due, 132bhp from a bread&butter 1.6 model is pretty impressive, without having to use turbochargers and superchargers. The technology on the petrol engines should make sure emissions and fuel consumption figures are kept in check.
Here you have a car with a full lineup of up-to-the-minute petrol and diesel engines, for those who whinge about "just 108bhp" in the 1.6, you get 132, those who bitch that the base engine in the Passat is older than time itself, here's a Toyota 125bhp low emissions base model for you. Is there any possible way they could have done this engine lineup to your liking?

You can make quite impressive arguments most of the time, but you seem to completely underestimate Irish people and their buying choices.
You talk of Irish peoples "obsession with 1.6 engines", but conveniently forget that up until July, diesel cars carried a hefty new price and annual road tax premium over their smaller engined petrol equivelants, and for a lot of people, a 1.6 Vectra/Passat/Avensis/3 Series made a lot of sense.
You can't blame car manufacturers for giving people what they want. Didn't your beloved BMW bring in a 1.6 3 series specifically for the Irish market? (which at 115bhp, wasn't exactly the ultimate driving machine).

Volvoboy

colm_mcm wrote: »

Can you not give credit where it's due, 132bhp from a bread&butter 1.6 model is pretty impressive, without having to use turbochargers and superchargers. The technology on the petrol engines should make sure emissions and fuel consumption figures are kept in check.
Here you have a car with a full lineup of up-to-the-minute petrol and diesel engines, for those who whinge about "just 108bhp" in the 1.6, you get 132, those who bitch that the base engine in the Passat is older than time itself, here's a Toyota 125bhp low emissions base model for you. Is there any possible way they could have done this engine lineup to your liking?

You can make quite impressive arguments most of the time, but you seem to completely underestimate Irish people and their buying choices.
You talk of Irish peoples "obsession with 1.6 engines", but conveniently forget that up until July, diesel cars carried a hefty new price and annual road tax premium over their smaller engined petrol equivelants, and for a lot of people, a 1.6 Vectra/Passat/Avensis/3 Series made a lot of sense.
You can't blame car manufacturers for giving people what they want. Didn't your beloved BMW bring in a 1.6 3 series specifically for the Irish market? (which at 115bhp, wasn't exactly the ultimate driving machine).

Agreed!

Will there be a Auto / Diesel option available? Cos the manual in the last D4D Avensis (5 speed) was a good bit heavy for city driving, Did drive the 6 speed one and it was much more lighter.

Damien360

I agree with a lot of what colm is saying but as I own an avensis I can give you another reason to buy a 1.6.

You cannot get a 1.8 for love nor money. They are hard to find unless they are 3 years old. Walk into most dealers and you get loads of secondhand 1.6's and hence a good choice of colours and specs. Most people like myself prefer to stick to a local dealer so you can get to them in case of any problems. That limits the choice considerably.

The diesel would have been my choice but my budget (and I suspect many peoples budget) cannot stretch to the premium asked for the diesel.

On a final note, I will only buy Jap after my current car and considering how well the current one is treating me, I would probably buy the new avensis but not for a few years yet.

maidhc

colm_mcm wrote: »

Can you not give credit where it's due, 132bhp from a bread&butter 1.6 model is pretty impressive, without having to use turbochargers and superchargers.

It is!

Reality is Toyota sell cars people rather than enthusiasts want. Possibly the reason they are the biggest company in the world, but also possibly the reason few people can feel passionate about a Toyota.

xbox36016

look its a is220d

ninty9er

I really don't like this new trend of attaching wing mirrors to the main body of the door as opposed to the pillar part.