Why is the North side of the city more run down?

WindSock

I often wonder why the north side seems dirtier. The buildings and the streets etc just look less well maintained than the south side of the city. Is it because the bulidings and streets are much older?

OldGoat

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Gelio

Whats that I hear?

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I know! Its the calm before the storm:D

zAbbo

Give a few examples? of what you mean by rundown and where

WindSock

It's just a general observation. The Georgian houses around parnell look a lot less well kept than the Georgian houses in baggot st, for example. The bricks look dirtier and the footpaths. Maybe someday I will walk around with a notebook and find more examples, but it's just an observation I have always had as a person. I am from the northside myself and always felt the southside of the city looked more pleasant and tidier. Or maybe it's just a case of the citys' always cleaner on the other side

gurramok

Snobbery as to why the northside is not kept tidier than the southern part?

That said, there are/was also large tracts of land on the southside derelict in the likes of D2, D4 and D8.
Wishbone's pics can verify this

humberklog

Perhaps it has to do with the northside having more social housing (or previously tennements) for longer in a more concentrated area that historically didn't attract the same numbers of white collar proffessional companies into its environs? Keeping it to the D.1 and D.2 areas.

(P.S. I think it's hard not to agree with OP and that's not being snobby (northsider here and proud of) just being naturally observational and inquizative).

humanji

WindSock wrote: »

It's just a general observation. The Georgian houses around parnell look a lot less well kept than the Georgian houses in baggot st, for example. The bricks look dirtier and the footpaths. Maybe someday I will walk around with a notebook and find more examples, but it's just an observation I have always had as a person. I am from the northside myself and always felt the southside of the city looked more pleasant and tidier. Or maybe it's just a case of the citys' always cleaner on the other side

There's more money pumped into the southside. The majority of Georgian houses in the Stephens Green area, for example, seem to be businesses that will want to keep their buildings clean. But on the northside, they mainly seem to be cheap accommodation that no one gives two f*cks about.

I'm sure there's hundreds more reasons, so someone else can list those. I'm lazy

judas101

humberklog wrote: »

(P.S. I think it's hard not to agree with OP and that's not being snobby (northsider here and proud of) just being naturally observational and inquizative).

I too am a north sider and agree with you.

Corporation housing which lead to other social problems I reckon would be a large element of it.

The southside has always been the more monied side.
More businesses and what not set up out there.
Some of it is very nice (not without its ****ty parts too of course!)

More investment has taken place there over the last 10-15 years for sure.
Even the bus routes there are better served and with nicer buses.

[monty python] help, help! I'm being repressed! [/monty python] :pac:

Goodshape

There is definitely a difference. Walk in a straight line from Stevens Green / Earlsfort to the Liffey, then walk the same distance on the other side and you'd need to be wearing blinkers not to notice.

Probably does have to do with there being more offices / business on the south.

spurious

The posh houses of the wealthy on the northside became tenements when the train line out to Kingstown (hurrah your Majesty) allowed the well to do to live out that direction and not have to mingle with the hoi polloi in the city.

The decline just went on from there. It might be an interesting piece of research to see how many of the northside buildings in bits are owned by people who live on the southside.

jdivision

The majority of the rundown Georgians on the northside are owned by an elderly couple who bought them with a view to stopping their demolition but can no longer afford their upkeep. If you're talking about O'Connell Street etc it's due to landbanking by developers. Part of O'Connell Street has been derelict since before the Pope came to Ireland. DCC are largely to blame for that. Having said all that, probably the best maintained Georgian street as such is on the northside at Nth Great Georges Street.

IanCurtis

Northside is a kip because they don't appreciate anything they're given. Take a trip around the newly-housed Ballymun ex-flat dwellers estates. Destroyed by graffiiti and burned-out cars, a disgrace.

Take a trip through Raheny's vandalised kips and Finglas's shot-in-the-head pubs. Through Swords overbuilt dumps and Malahide's pathetic would-be-posh croquet clubs. Through Drumcondra's alco-soaked streets and the Abbey's constant struggle to keep the junkie's out. Through the redline Luas attacks and the gathering of low-lifes on O'Connell St and Parnell St every weekend.

Northsiders have no aspirations in life and a two-week trip to "Lanzarottteee" is about as good as it gets. They are materialistic, ostentatious idiots who think driving around in an ugly souped-up Honda Civic with their Ooompa-Loompa girlfriends is living the high-life. They have no history, no respect and are a blight on the Dublin name, a county bred with great writers, wits and artists....now consumed with morons walking into pubs on Sunday afternoons with car keys swinging, beanie hats and muscle tops.

Majority of Southsiders are more confident, cultured and intelligent and don't spend the weekends driving around Santry's Omni Centre cowardly shouting out of their car windows at 'foreigners' and stopping off at the "chinks" for "chicken balls and curry sauce", abusing these low-paid workers to make themselves feel better about their pathetic unfulfilled lives.

No investment in the Northside has ever been wise. It's a dump and always will be.

Rant over.

And relax :pac:

tribulus

Lol

Wishbone Ash

gurramok wrote: »

Wishbone's pics can verify this

Always happy to oblige with a sample of images of the plush southside!

Yakuza

IanCurtis wrote: »

Northside is a kip ..yadda yadda yadda

Nice brush you've tarred an entire half city with, there. I also note the selectiveness with which you've omitted areas on both halves that run counter to your argument, which I'm not going to get into here.

IanCurtis

Oh no, the Northsiders have inadvertently proved my point by including a shot of the Ulster Bank at George's Dock in one of them....dear oh dear

Must try harder!!!

Typical insecure Northsider :pac::pac::pac:

IanCurtis

Yakuza wrote: »

Nice brush you've tarred an entire half city with, there. I also note the selectiveness with which you've omitted areas on both halves that run counter to your argument, which I'm not going to get into here.

Very few on the south, a lot on the west but that's neither. I've lived on the Northside on and off for maybe 5 years. I know what <SNIP> over there.

Mod edit: Tone it down Ian Curtis.

IanCurtis

Welcome to Paddy's Day, Finglas Style :rolleyes:



I know which side of the city you'd rather be :pac:

Yakuza

Draw a line along the Liffey roughly from Lucan to the Point Depot. Anything South of that in Dublin County = Southside, and anything North of it (and in Dublin County) = Northside. No need for West/East distinctions here, esp as OP specifically asked for North/South comparison

IanCurtis

Yakuza wrote: »

Draw a line along the Liffey roughly from Lucan to the Point Depot. Anything South of that in Dublin County = Southside, and anything North of it (and in Dublin County) = Northside. No need for West/East distinctions here, esp as OP specifically asked for North/South comparison

Bull

These kips are neither North nor South, just soulless suburban shopping-centre defined kips.

Even the Northside is better than these Fisher Price dumps.

:pac::pac::pac:

IanCurtis

IanCurtis wrote: »

Mod edit: Tone it down Ian Curtis.

Sorry Wishter!

TheBigLebowski

IanCurtis wrote: »

Very few on the south, a lot on the west but that's neither. I've lived on the Northside on and off for maybe 5 years. I know what <SNIP> over there.

Mod edit: Tone it down Ian Curtis.

I know you're trolling as usual but I've little else to be doing at the moment...

When you are living on the northside, are you all of the things that you say of northsiders are?

IanCurtis

TheBigLebowski wrote: »

I know you're trolling as usual but I've little else to be doing at the moment...

When you are living on the northside, are you all of the things that you say of northsiders are?

Just giving my opinion, not trolling.

I hated living on the Northside, did it for commuting reasons but never associated with them.

Horrible, horrible place.

TheBigLebowski

But you were one of 'them' if you lived there, no?

johnnyrotten

IanCurtis wrote: »

Just giving my opinion, not trolling.

I hated living on the Northside, did it for commuting reasons but never associated with them.

Horrible, horrible place.

You're getting boring now. Trolling is exactly what you are doing.
How about posting where you live and where you are from!;)

IanCurtis

johnnyrotten wrote: »

You're getting boring now. Trolling is exactly what you are doing.
How about posting where you live and where you are from!;)

From rathfarnham, live in terenure. Lovely places.

Northsiders are a touchy bunch. You don't like their home = troll.

Oh dear.

johnnyrotten

Terenure thats the place beside Tallaght and crumlin - I see

TheBigLebowski

IanCurtis wrote: »

From rathfarnham, live in terenure. Lovely places.

Northsiders are a touchy bunch. You don't like their home = troll.

Oh dear.

For the record, I unlike you, have never lived on the northside so I guess that makes me better than you.

OK troll, I'm outta here...

IanCurtis

johnnyrotten wrote: »

Terenure thats the place beside Tallaght and crumlin - I see

Not too good on the oul geography I see.

johnnyrotten

IanCurtis wrote: »

Not too good on the oul geography I see.

A honours

JohnG18

johnnyrotten wrote: »

Terenure thats the place beside Tallaght and crumlin - I see

Terenure doesn't TOUCH Tallaght :P

Im from Tallaght and if your going to be ignorant go ahead I would just let you know, Every area has nice people and areas.

johnnyrotten

JohnG18 wrote: »

Terenure doesn't TOUCH Tallaght :P

Im from Tallaght and if your going to be ignorant go ahead I would just let you know, Every area has nice people and areas.

Agreed;)

IanCurtis

johnnyrotten wrote: »

Agreed;)

Another public embarrassment Johnny. I suggest you avoid any "region" forum until you're familiar with the various locations, rather than relying on internet maps.

Esel

Act of Union 1800.

RaverRo808

Teresas Gardens,Oliver Bond,Thomas Street,Pearse Street,Ballyfermot,Tallaght:Jobstown etc,Clondalkin:Neilstown etc,Crumlin,Drimnagh,BallyBrack,Dolphins Barn,Fatima Mansions,Inchicore Michaels Estate,parts of Walkinstown,Monkstown Farm,QuarryVale,Cherry Orchard,etc etc etc
where there are gangland shootings,mass herion,anti-social behaviour,joyriding,drug dealing etc as equal to Northside areas
Am I mistaken or are these all parts of this glorious upper class wonderland that is the Southside you talk about,what aload of sh*te

I make no dinstinction between the Northside and Southside,they are both made up of an equal amount of Working class areas,and have a small hidden away leafy overly wealthy snobby area's(Northside:CastleKnock,Malahide etc, Southside:Dalkey,Killiney etc etc)

Ian Curtis,you are just the stereotype of the paranoid silver spoon fed southside snob,the problem with Dublin North and South is not hoody weaing skangers from Tallaght or Finglas but snobby know nothing ars*holes like you who think thier post code gives them privelage,its the working class Dubs who keep this town alive,and people like you from Rathfarmham and Dalkey etc are the dregs,posh Southsiders from the South East are the most horrible,ugly nasty sub humans Ive ever encounted and Id prefer if you remain hidden away in you little fairyland out there in Dublin 18/16/4,
And Ian if you ever were to live in my old neighbourhood with that attitude you'd get a good old Northsider hiding,but then again I reckon you get that where your from too;)

Please forgive spelling mistakes,early morning and all:D

Elmo

Being from a posh area on the northside I can only imagine what its like to live on the Southside.

I was on the DART a few weeks ago when I stepped on there where 2 drugies sitting down, a man and a woman.

The woman has a posh southside accent. The man a inner city dublin accent.

I got on at Tara Street and was we left the platform the conversation from them went something like this:-

Woman: Where are we going?
Man: Howth, we can go to the beach.
Woman: Don't touch me there?
Man: Ah come ooooonnnnnn.....
Woman: Are we going to the Northside
Man: Yeah, Conolly is the next stop
Woman: I amn't going to the focking northside, I wouldn't be caught dead on the smelly focking northsided.
Man: Howth is nice, come on we'll go to Howth
Woman: Well I am getting of this focking Dort
Man: Nah! Stay
[both all over each other]
Woman: No, I am getting of now
[she stands up, as the DART arrives in the station]
Woman: This is the as far on to the smelly ****ing northside I am going.
[they get of]
Woman: Look at the ****ing state of this Train Station, the ****ing smell.

Etc Etc.

WindSock

Well my question was for the northside of the city and not so much the suburbs. I was hoping for answers other than 'full of scumbags and knackers, etc. Yeah, we know this. The whole country is full of them, including the southside. I am more interested in the state of the buildings, footpaths, parks and other amenities. For instance, I walk down part of Sheriff st everyday and there has been broken car window glass on the footpath for the last week, and mouldy old hairy dog **** thats been there for god knows how long. Have street cleaners just given up?

humberklog

Funny and all as the thread developed surely most of the Northside V. Southside cultural differences are catered for on other threads? The O.P had a real and interesting point regarding the city that could have developed into further thought and reflection on the historical and cultural evolution of the city and the repercutions that has had on the present day's asthetics .

Bluetonic

IanCurtis wrote: »

Not too good on the oul geography I see.

Hardly Michael Palin yourself.

IanCurtis wrote: »

Oh no, the Northsiders have inadvertently proved my point by including a shot of the Ulster Bank at George's Dock in one of them....dear oh dear

Must try harder!!!

You'll find that Ulster Bank is on George's Quay not Dock. George's Dock is on the north of the river.

FAIL.

Elmo

You'll find that Ulster Bank is on George's Quay not Dock. George's Dock is on the north of the river.

Ulster Bank's HQ is on the the southside just by Tara Street DART station which is also on the southside. The much more impressive building of the Customs House is on the Northside.

Speaking about the DART going to the Northside, does anyone else notice that when a DART breaks down in Pearse Street all DARTs going north are effected but if a DART breaks down in Conolly station the DARTs going north go back south keeping the southside going. Just a thought.

The O.P had a real and interesting point regarding the city that could have developed into further thought and reflection on the historical and cultural evolution of the city and the repercutions that has had on the present day's asthetics .

The southside is much more built up and there are more jobs and industries on the southside of the City, hence the southside has bigger areas of depravation and wealth.

I walk down part of Sheriff st everyday and there has been broken car window glass on the footpath for the last week, and mouldy old hairy dog **** thats been there for god knows how long. Have street cleaners just given up?

Perhaps you should give the Council a ring and inform them. They service both northside and southside of the city.

The IFSC is on the Northside?? prehaps it is on both sides not really sure, but this would mean that the buildings on the northside aren't older.

WindSock

Elmo wrote: »

Perhaps you should give the Council a ring and inform them. They service both northside and southside of the city.

I could but why should I have to? If it were on the southside would it have cleaned up within a day? I don't know

The IFSC is on the Northside?? prehaps it is on both sides not really sure, but this would mean that the buildings on the northside aren't older.

Yes it is, but the Northside of the city stretches farther back than the liffeyside.

Elmo

I could but why should I have to? If it were on the southside would it have cleaned up within a day? I don't know

No you shouldn't have to but since they haven't called around to clean up the dog then it is your civic responsiblity to call them and tell them how stupid they are.

WindSock

I could, but I am interested to see how long it will take them to spot it themselves.

JohnG18

Its actually somewhat depressing to see people so up themselves to think that if your from "The NURE" or "The KNOCK" that you are some-how more important or better then people who live in "Bad" Areas.

bugler

esel wrote: »

Act of Union 1800.

This has been blamed as the source of the decline of the Mountjoy Square area in discussions on the property pin. By robbing Dublin of its Parliament and the associated prestige, the area was doomed to decline. I haven't heard quite how the flight of parliamentarians and a merchant class automatically meant a descent to slum status so if anyone has a theory please forward it. I mean, surely some wealthy people who would like to live in a large redbrick were left behind? How were these houses condemned to be owned by slumlords once the upper class fled? Something else must have went wrong along the line.

Frankly, what has been allowed to happen to beautiful large houses in the likes of Phibsborough (and of course Rathmines) is a disgrace. I know there is a need for accommodation, but the cannibalism of these houses is plain ugly greed.

As for the original question...well, I suppose a few possible reasons are: lack of civic pride, lack of resources allocated, lack of any government interest in regulating the development of our society so long as it wasn't adversely affecting them personally.

Bluetonic

Elmo wrote: »

Ulster Bank's HQ is on the the southside just by Tara Street DART station which is also on the southside.

I don't think anyone was disputing that.

Anyhow the economical and social divide in Dublin is from East to West, not from North to South.

bugler

The majority of the rundown Georgians on the northside are owned by an elderly couple who bought them with a view to stopping their demolition but can no longer afford their upkeep.

Isn't this just applicable to a handful of houses on Henrietta St.? It doesn't really explain the malaise affecting many other parts of the NS.

johnnyrotten

IanCurtis wrote: »

Another public embarrassment Johnny. I suggest you avoid any "region" forum until you're familiar with the various locations, rather than relying on internet maps.

I can't figure you out. I did'nt manipulate the map in any way.
Shame you can't see the woods from the trees:D.

I'll finish my input on this thread by saying every area has its good and bad parts along with good and bad people. The Northside is no worse that the Southside.

dats_right

IanCurtis wrote: »

From rathfarnham, live in terenure. Lovely places.

If you lived on Ailesbury Rd or Vico Rd well then fair enough, but that isn't the case. I actually feel sorry for this guy, who obviously has 'a chip on his shoulder'. Rathfarnham is an okay area (like many others on both the Northside/Southside), but is really just an average area with a mixture of a few nice places and it's fair share of Council estates. I certainly wouldn't consider it prestigous or posh, the word average definitely comes to mind as whilst many parts of it may be middle-class it sure isn't Ballsbridge, Dalkey or Howth for that matter!

Whilst, Terenure is probably a step up in the world it too isn't exactly one of the most prestigous addresses in Dublin, okay it probably has fewer 'working class' and is probably considered more middle-class than Rathfarnham, it's still not exactly the high life either. I suppose it's more middle manager than CEO territory.

The Northside/Southside thing is childish and in the majority of cases just a scam by estate agents to fool people into paying more money for property. It should be remembered that there are many scumbag class, working class, middle class and upper class on both sides of the river. I suppose the snobbery thing comes with lower and upper middle class people on the southside thinking that because there three bed semi's postcode ends in an even number that that somehow equates to them being in the same class as the the people who live in 8 bed detached houses on an acre in Dalkey, Foxrock, Killiney or somesuch place.

I have heard the westside thing to try excuse areas on the southside before, but what about 'pure' southside areas like: Whitechurch, Sallynoggin, Irishtown, Ringsend, parts of Milltown/Windy Arbour/Dundrum, Mounttown, parts of Dun Laoghaire, Monkstown Farm, parts of Shankill, Ballybrack, or Loughlinstown. Not that I have anything against these areas, far from it in fact, it's just that they are conveniently forgotten about when talking about northside versus southside. Many of these areas have their fair share of problems and are inhabbited by largely working class southsiders!

GrumPy

I have lived in Donaghmede and soon to move to Ballymun. Ideally, I would like to live on the southside, it is generally nicer and for commuting reasons it's far handier for college.

In relation to the thread title, I have no idea. Would love to know a bit of history as to why it is the case.