Is it just me that can get my head around it ?

Bandara

Why ?

http://www.carzone.ie/usedcars/index.cfm?fuseaction=Car&carID=1157104

Henry Ford III

Why bother more like

Bandara

Exactly

Alanstrainor

He forgot the "go faster" stripes.
Well...he's never going to sell that heep.

ninty9er

Forgot the 500bhp engine too:pac:, why stop at the bodywork eh?

jimmycrackcorm

Some car thief is going to be so disappointed!

Rowley Birkin QC

Very silly and a waste of money but to be fair the work looks pretty professional.


I would enjoy laughing at the driver if I saw it out and about. Makes a change from the RS4 TDi and 316i M3 M-Powah reguars anyhoo.

Anan1

I don't really see how that's worse than a 520d with an M pack, TBH. Mutton-dressed-up-as-lamb is pretty much staple fare from the Germans these days.

Zonda999

Anan1 wrote: »

I don't really see how that's worse than a 520d with an M pack, TBH.

Me neither, TBH.An m sport pack on a 520d doesnt exactly improve performance, does it??Its just a gimmick

TheBazman

I really cant agree with you about the 520 with the M-Pack. I feel this is very different that creating an M5 Replica like the attached yoke. I'd say 95% of people who are interested in cars who see an M-Sport 5 series just think that it is just that, an M-Sport 5 series. I doubt it very much that they think .."Wow nice M5 ...no wait ..it's not a real one..damn I was fooled"

Similarly I'd say that at least 95% of the people that buy an M-Sport 5 series do so because they feel it makes the car look nicer/feel better to drive, not because it will fool other people into thinking it is an M5.

As regards mutton dressed as lamb...where do you draw the line. Is a 535d M-Sport mutton dressed as lamb? Is a 550i M-Sport mutton dressed as lamb?

IMO its only mutton dressed as lamb if it is something that you cannot get as standard on a car. The M-Sport pack is a dealer option on BMW's, whereas the M5 Replica butchery pack isnt.

Anyway back to the attached motor - Are they not the worst headrests ever? It's like they came from a Barbie and Ken toy car!

Cyrus

Zonda999 wrote: »

Me neither, TBH.An m sport pack on a 520d doesnt exactly improve performance, does it??Its just a gimmick

depends on your definition of performance

dynamics are improved with the suspension changes

also agree what bazman said aswell

Zonda999

TheBazman wrote: »

Similarly I'd say that at least 95% of the people that buy an M-Sport 5 series do so because they feel it makes the car look nicer/feel better to drive, not because it will fool other people into thinking it is an M5.

As regards mutton dressed as lamb...where do you draw the line. Is a 535d M-Sport mutton dressed as lamb? Is a 550i M-Sport mutton dressed as lamb?

!

Thats what i mean really.I hope they dont think they are fooling anybody with the big wheels and bumpers.

I dont think any 5 series with an m pack is mutton dressed as lamb.Even a 520d is quicker thatn the majority of vehicles on the road

Cyrus wrote: »

depends on your definition of performance

dynamics are improved with the suspension changes

also agree what bazman said aswell

The handling will indeed be better on a m sport 520d but i dont think your average 520d driver would notice very much.Anyway, the price you pay for the improved handling is an atrocious ride

Anan1

TheBazman wrote: »

IMO its only mutton dressed as lamb if it is something that you cannot get as standard on a car. The M-Sport pack is a dealer option on BMW's, whereas the M5 Replica butchery pack isnt.

These days, the manufacturers are the worst offenders when it comes to mutton done up as lamb. Mutton is a 520d, lamb is a V8 or V10 petrol. Doesn't matter if God himself does it, it's still the same thing.

Cyrus

atrocious ride isnt the suspensions,

its the run flat tyres, the se makes it more bearable but they are the issue

TheBazman

Anan1 wrote: »

These days, the manufacturers are the worst offenders when it comes to mutton done up as lamb. Mutton is a 520d, lamb is a V8 or V10 petrol. Doesn't matter if God himself does it, it's still the same thing.

Each to their own I suppose, but there is a world of cars out there in between the 520d and V8/V10 motors.

Eoin

Anan1 wrote: »

These days, the manufacturers are the worst offenders when it comes to mutton done up as lamb. Mutton is a 520d, lamb is a V8 or V10 petrol. Doesn't matter if God himself does it, it's still the same thing.

So a 530 with M-Tech kit looks equally as silly as a tarted up a 525 made to look like an M5?

Obviously, my 525 M-Tech is even worse again, but I will try and live with the shame, if it's OK with you.

I would do rolleyes if it wasn't such a retarded emoticon. You forgot to say "vulgar" by the way.

-Chris-

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Some car thief is going to be so disappointed!

LOL, defo!

L-M

Funny that, because i saw that add today and i was wondering. People who were buying a 520D wouldn't be looking in the M5 section, and people buying M5's would just laugh at it. So really there's not alot of potential for people to see it. Also spotted this
http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/BMW/M3/1.9/1171279/
Again it's pointless having it there. God i'm so bored lol

ninty9er

Limerick-man wrote: »

God i'm so bored lol

What the hell did we do before DSL

L-M

ninty9er wrote: »

What the hell did we do before DSL

I was 8 stone and played two hours non stop soccer a day, oh how things have changed hahah:P

Zonda999

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Some car thief is going to be so disappointed!

He'd notice the lack of an "M" button anyway:D

L-M

Another thing actually, why do people put m6 wheels on m5's? Wouldn't it make one think it's just a fake m5? Not having the right wheels?

Eoin

Limerick-man wrote: »

Another thing actually, why do people put m6 wheels on m5's? Wouldn't it make one think it's just a fake m5? Not having the right wheels?

Because people like the look of the wheels?

L-M

eoin_s wrote: »

Because people like the look of the wheels?

Fair enough

Anan1

eoin_s wrote: »

So a 530 with M-Tech kit looks equally as silly as a tarted up a 525 made to look like an M5?

Obviously, my 525 M-Tech is even worse again, but I will try and live with the shame, if it's OK with you.

I would do rolleyes if it wasn't such a retarded emoticon. You forgot to say "vulgar" by the way.

Cool your jets, eoin_s. A 530i with M-Tech kit is less mutton and is less dressed up as lamb than a 525i made to look like an M5.

And what's all this about 'vulgar'?

Cyrus

Limerick-man wrote: »

Another thing actually, why do people put m6 wheels on m5's? Wouldn't it make one think it's just a fake m5? Not having the right wheels?

they are actually an option when buying an m5 afaik

dingding

Limerick-man wrote: »

Funny that, because i saw that add today and i was wondering. People who were buying a 520D wouldn't be looking in the M5 section, and people buying M5's would just laugh at it. So really there's not alot of potential for people to see it. Also spotted this
http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/BMW/M3/1.9/1171279/
Again it's pointless having it there. God i'm so bored lol

The M badge is not on straight as well, I think it is falling a bit to the right.

TheBazman

Cyrus wrote: »

they are actually an option when buying an m5 afaik

I think (but I am open to correction) that the M6 style wheels are now the standard wheels when you order an M5

Eoin

Anan1 wrote: »

Cool your jets, eoin_s. A 530i with M-Tech kit is less mutton and is less dressed up as lamb than a 525i made to look like an M5.

And what's all this about 'vulgar'?

For a start "mutton dressed as lamb" means something older trying to look younger, so not really an apt expression.

It seems that BMW really get the brunt of a lot of hatred in this forum. I bet most people wouldn't have a problem with an Alfa 156 1.6 with Sportivo trim or a C class with AMG kit, but once you get that dreaded BMW badge with an M-tech kit and an engine a "miserly" 2 litres, the sneering begins. It's getting very old.

Yes - it's ridiculous to have a 525 badged as an M5, not many people will disagree. To equate that to a factory supplied trim level is pretty sad, and just reeks of inverted snobbery.

ronnie3585

Another one; http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/BMW/528/M5-replica/1122426/
the M6 wheels are gash to say the least. The look great on a true M6 but they make the above look like a drug dealers or a rapper car.

I've spotted an absolute gem driving around Galway over the last week. It's a stock Mitsubishi Galant with an RS4 badge stuck onto its front grill. Yes that's RS4 not even VR-4. It's passed me twice now in slow moving traffic and I haven't been fast enough to get a snap of it but I will endeavor to do so if I have the fortune of seeing it again and I can hold the camera steady because of the laughter.

NiSmO

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Eoin

ronnie3585 wrote: »

Another one; http://www.carzone.ie/used-cars/BMW/528/M5-replica/1122426/
the M6 wheels are gash to say the least. The look great on a true M6 but they make the above look like a drug dealers or a rapper car.

There's just so much wrong with that car. The front bumper is still the standard M-Tech one not the M5 one, so it's not even a complete job.

I suppose at least it doesn't have the side grills that were never on the e39 M5 that many "replicas" have.

Anan1

eoin_s wrote: »

For a start "mutton dressed as lamb" means something older trying to look younger, so not really an apt expression.

I think you get the meaning.

eoin_s wrote: »

It seems that BMW really get the brunt of a lot of hatred in this forum. I bet most people wouldn't have a problem with an Alfa 156 1.6 with Sportivo trim or a C class with AMG kit, but once you get that dreaded BMW badge with an M-tech kit and an engine a "miserly" 2 litres, the sneering begins. It's getting very old.

I've just read through this thread again, and I still have no idea where you get this idea?

eoin_s wrote: »

Yes - it's ridiculous to have a 525 badged as an M5, not many people will disagree. To equate that to a factory supplied trim level is pretty sad, and just reeks of inverted snobbery.

They're essentially the same thing, eoin_s - an attempt to make the car look like something it's not. If one is ridiculous than both are. I'm sorry if this fact upsets you, but there you go.

Eoin

Anan1 wrote: »

They're essentially the same thing, eoin_s - an attempt to make the car look like something it's not. If one is ridiculous than both are. I'm sorry if this fact upsets you, but there you go.

It's hardly "fact" - it's your opinion, and no doubt others' too - but still not a fact. We're clearly not going to agree on anything here, if you don't think there's a big difference between a 525 badged as an M5, and a factory supplied trim level. It's like saying the Boxter is not a real porsche, just because it isn't a 911.

r3nu4l

My own view is that if a car comes from the 'M' people (geddit?) at BMW, then it's a genuine M car, regardless of if it's a diesel or petrol, once it rolls out of the BMW factory with an M badge, then it's an M car. Whether that is merely a marketing tool that devalues the BMW M class of cars as a whole is for another thread.

There is no comparison to the above situation and some plonker buying a few M parts and sticking them on his BMW to make it look like an M car.

my 2c.

EDIT: On the contrary, I don't think BMW gets a hard time on these forums...try being a FIAT owner, then you'll know all about a hard time

Fey!

Why is it that when these people spend all that money making M5 and M3 replicas, the one thing none of them ever replace is the interior rear view mirror? It is the single biggest giveaway, as most BMWs have a rectangular one, even on the M-packs, whilst the true M's have an oval one!

MarkN

No, an M car has an M engine. An M badge - is just trim.

I own an M sport, I don't think it's an M car. I wanted the wheels, the big chunky steering wheel, the interior trim (don't like wood thanks!), the splitter and sides and the grey diffuser around the exhausts, that's why I went for an M sport.

However, the idea on here from some people that an SE is a classier car is bull. Is a non S Porsche classier than an S? Is a Elegance Merc better than an Avantgarde? It's a matter of opinion but there's certainly nothing 'tacky' about an M sport model from the BMW factory.

Eoin

Fey! wrote: »

Why is it that when these people spend all that money making M5 and M3 replicas, the one thing none of them ever replace is the interior rear view mirror? It is the single biggest giveaway, as most BMWs have a rectangular one, even on the M-packs, whilst the true M's have an oval one!

That's a big give away if you know your cars, I'd say 90% of people wouldn't pick up on it though.

rebel.ranter

I think you all get far too excited about this M replica thing! So what! I would rather see a BMW with a replica M kit done well than some fibre glass mess (designed by a 5 year old) stuck on it.
Is an M badge really more offensive than an "FM105" (deliberately changed) sticker!! Have any of you changed the alloys on your car at any stage? Better a set of BMW wheels than some tacky chrome bling-bling Fox4 or other rubbish.
It is probably a waste of money investment wise but if the owner enjoys it then let 'em at it.
BMW & other manufacturers play on this as a marketing ploy themselves, why can't owners be allowed to do it themselves? I know some really clever people will reply that you cannot buy M parts without an M VIN number (which isn't true in reality), but BMW themselves have set up a "BMW Performance" range now where they sell big brake upgrade kits & sports sears, etc. for your 1 & 3 series.

This is the 2nd or 3rd thread on this very item, get over it!!:D
So what!

Anan1

eoin_s wrote: »

It's hardly "fact" - it's your opinion, and no doubt others' too - but still not a fact. We're clearly not going to agree on anything here, if you don't think there's a big difference between a 525 badged as an M5, and a factory supplied trim level.

You're an ad-man's dream, eoin_s, do you know that?:D

r3nu4l

Anan1 wrote: »

You're an ad-man's dream, eoin_s, do you know that?:D

That's immaterial to this thread though. I'd far rather something supplied by the factory than some hash job done by somebody else.

At least the M-trim is exactly what it says it is. It doesn't pretend to be an M5. The car in the OP, does. Simple really.

galwaytt

Fey! wrote: »

Why is it that when these people spend all that money making M5 and M3 replicas, the one thing none of them ever replace is the interior rear view mirror? It is the single biggest giveaway, as most BMWs have a rectangular one, even on the M-packs, whilst the true M's have an oval one!

good grief - we're down to interior mirrors now???:o Jaybus............

OTOH, I'm surprised no-one has mentioned the fact that 'real' vs, er, 'unreal' :rolleyes:, is only available as an auto afaik................

Eoin

Anan1 wrote: »

You're an ad-man's dream, eoin_s, do you know that?:D

I see the M-Tech kit for what it is - a trim level. Quite simply, I much preferred the look of my car:



to this:



I am under no illusions it's an M5, and I doubt anyone else is.

Cyrus

Anan1 wrote: »

I think you get the meaning.
I've just read through this thread again, and I still have no idea where you get this idea?
They're essentially the same thing, eoin_s - an attempt to make the car look like something it's not. If one is ridiculous than both are. I'm sorry if this fact upsets you, but there you go.

how is an m kit or an s line kit etc trying to make a car like something its not?

maybe the point is that bmw dont differentiate their m cars enought (altho most enthusiasts can tell an m from an mtec from a mile off)

i think it improves the look of the cars, a normal se 5 series doesnt interest me, the sport kitted one does, it improves the looks no end

ronnie3585

eoin_s wrote: »

That's a big give away if you know your cars, I'd say 90% of people wouldn't pick up on it though.

I think you have indirectly hit on the crux of this discussion. Only about 10% of people would be able to pick up on the details that reveal that a car is a real M3 or RS4 and not a replica. The other 90% don't know and don't give a sh*t what an M3/RS4 is. So why then waste your time and money trying to make a car out to be something it's not and trying to impress/fool the 10% of people who can spot a real M3 a mile away. Makes no sense

rebel.ranter

I think the idea of M cars is that they are "Q" cars really
In that they are not meant to be in your face, they have the power & there are small styling cues that indicate to those "in the know" that they are no ordinary car. People who make modifications to their cars to look like these serve two purposes:
1. Keep owner happy, they would like to own an ///M car but their financial/situational circumstances they cannot.
2. Make it difficult to spot the real ones from the bolt-on ones.

Anan1

r3nu4l wrote: »

At least the M-trim is exactly what it says it is. It doesn't pretend to be an M5. The car in the OP, does. Simple really.

The whole point of an M-Pack is to make the car look more like an M-car - the hint is in the name.

The bottom line is that you guys like your M-packs and the guy selling the car in the first post likes what he's done. How you can argue that his is ridiculous simply because it wasn't fitted in Munich is beyond me.

Eoin

Anan1 wrote: »

The whole point of an M-Pack is to make the car look more like an M-car - the hint is in the name.

The bottom line is that you guys like your M-packs and the guy selling the car in the first post likes what he's done. How you can argue that his is ridiculous simply because it wasn't fitted in Munich is beyond me.

Again - the M5 is a specific model. M-tech is a trim level. A 520 with M-Tech trim is not trying to look like something else - it looks like what it is - a car that came from the factory like that.

Would you not see the difference between a boxter that may share factory supplied styling with a 911, and a boxter with a 911 badge?

Anan1

eoin_s wrote: »

Again - the M5 is a specific model. M-tech is a trim level. A 520 with M-Tech trim is not trying to look like something else - it looks like what it is - a car that came from the factory like that.

Absolute bollox, eoin. Without the M cars, there would be no M packs.

eoin_s wrote: »

Would you not see the difference between a boxter that may share factory supplied styling with a 911, and a boxter with a 911 badge?

This is an irrelevant analogy. The car in the first post has been restyled to look like an M car, using parts that were supplied by the factory but not fitted by the factory. The only difference between that and cars with M packs is factory fitment.

To brand the car in the ad as ridiculous while defending your M pack is badge snobbery, pure & simple.

Eoin

Ah, I give up - can't be arsed continuing this pointless debate.

Biro

Anan1 wrote: »

To brand the car in the ad as ridiculous while defending your M pack is badge snobbery, pure & simple.

Advertising an M5 when it isn't an M5 is a lie. Advertising a 525 M-Sport is the truth. That's the difference. One seller is a liar the other is telling the truth. They are the facts of the matter.
The M-tech kit is different to the real M3/5 anyway. Only slightly, but different none the less.