Pharmacist salary?

Notatoxford

Does anyone here know what pharmacists get payed in Ireland?Does it increase much as you go on or does it say pretty static after pre reg.

anotherlostie

I don't know what it is but anecdotally, it is a good deal less than 3 years ago. There are still a lot of pharmacists migrating to Ireland due to the higher wages here than they would get at home, and also pharmacy has been hit by the HSE this year, and inevitably this is going to lead to reductions in the profitability of pharmacies. This will then lead to a cutback in opening hours and places with 2 pharmacists will become less common (despite the shorter hours making things busier), so fewer pharmacists will be needed.

Pharmacy used to be a cash cow, but as Ireland moves towards the UK model of the State paying for more and more of the drugs bill, expect the country to become a replica of over there with Boots and AN Others controlling vast swathes of the pharmacies, and paying as they see fit.

Notatoxford

anotherlostie wrote: »

I don't know what it is but anecdotally, it is a good deal less than 3 years ago. There are still a lot of pharmacists migrating to Ireland due to the higher wages here than they would get at home, and also pharmacy has been hit by the HSE this year, and inevitably this is going to lead to reductions in the profitability of pharmacies. This will then lead to a cutback in opening hours and places with 2 pharmacists will become less common (despite the shorter hours making things busier), so fewer pharmacists will be needed.

Pharmacy used to be a cash cow, but as Ireland moves towards the UK model of the State paying for more and more of the drugs bill, expect the country to become a replica of over there with Boots and AN Others controlling vast swathes of the pharmacies, and paying as they see fit.

Thank you for your post.Does anyone here know what pharmacists in Ireland earn at the moment?I find it very hard to believe that all of the 90 odd people who have viewed this thread have no idea how much they earn...

bleg

not too sure, in a hospital you'd be looking at a starting salary from 40-50k i think. in a community pharmacy it's more but i think the days are gone when pharmacists start on at least 70k

Notatoxford

bleg wrote: »

not too sure, in a hospital you'd be looking at a starting salary from 40-50k i think. in a community pharmacy it's more but i think the days are gone when pharmacists start on at least 70k

Fock,thats not fair and it certainly wasn't part of the deal!

deepimpact

Notatoxford wrote: »

Fock,thats not fair and it certainly wasn't part of the deal!

what's not fair? is it the salary difference between community and hospital?

ZYX

Notatoxford wrote: »

Does anyone here know what pharmacists get payed in Ireland?Does it increase much as you go on or does it say pretty static after pre reg.

http://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Job=Retail_Pharmacist/Salary

amjon

ZYX wrote: »

http://www.payscale.com/research/IE/Job=Retail_Pharmacist/Salary

Thats pretty solid,thank god the last few years of sh1te in the uk are going to pay off.

headtotoe

amjon wrote: »

Thats pretty solid,thank god the last few years of sh1te in the uk are going to pay off.

Note of Warning: There are hundreds of Irish UK-trained Pharmacists qualifying now. New Irish schools coming on stream as well. There is a lot of evidence that Pharmacist jobs are getting hard to come by -much depends on the outcome of the Hickey case (judgement due this month).

Bear in mind that many employers in Ireland would prefer someone Irish trained who knows the complicated drug schemes etc.

Many friends of mine (Uk trained) are finding it difficult to get a job in Ireland.

amjon

headtotoe wrote: »

Note of Warning: There are hundreds of Irish UK-trained Pharmacists qualifying now. New Irish schools coming on stream as well. There is a lot of evidence that Pharmacist jobs are getting hard to come by -much depends on the outcome of the Hickey case (judgement due this month).

Bear in mind that many employers in Ireland would prefer someone Irish trained who knows the complicated drug schemes etc.

Many friends of mine (Uk trained) are finding it difficult to get a job in Ireland.

I guess I'll have to burn that bridge when I come to it.

headtotoe

amjon wrote: »

I guess I'll have to burn that bridge when I come to it.

So long as you know It's no longer the land of (Pharmacy)

milk and honey!

wexhurdler

The survey found that the average full-time salary of €73,000 for a Dublin pharmacist was forecast to fall 27 per cent to €53,000 by 2010

I've just quoted that from the post.ie website.. referring to the HSE cut backs in the news today.. Does this mean that these salaries will stay at 53000 from 2010 and never return to the average 73000 earned at present??:eek:

Nonoperational

Starting salary now 45-50k euro. supervising pharmacist 55-60k (need a few years experience).3 years ago you'd start on 70k. Supervising 80-85k.

segaBOY

gpf101 wrote: »

Starting salary now 45-50k euro. supervising pharmacist 55-60k (need a few years experience).3 years ago you'd start on 70k. Supervising 80-85k.

It will fall further-a constant stream of Pharmacists will be still coming over from the UK in their vast numbers with the two new schools of pharmacy adding to the employment market where there is reduction in payments (which will probably lead to further pharmacy closures =>less jobs) means wages will fall even further.

liberal

i heard biomeds now out earn pharms, hardly seems fair

haemfire

liberal wrote: »

i heard biomeds now out earn pharms, hardly seems fair

yeah biomeds in automated labs with on call in busy hospitals can easily add 30 - 35k on to their salaries by doing about 2 sessions a week and a night on-call once a fortnight, €23 for every blood test after mid-night, heard cases of some bio labs getting 90+ samples post- midnight, a bad night in a bio lab would be less than 50 samples, x €23 :eek::eek:

Biomedical science is an extremely intense course, long hours, frequent assessments for 4-5 years, any biomeds that have I heard of who went on to do GEM have flown through, tbh just bcos accredited biomed courses are in IT's does not at all mean they are handy, several uni grads, start back at the beginning of biomed courses in IT's after they realise their uni's lied to them for years about having a job when they graduate, 'so to summarise your four year degree course, btw you might as well having been watching barney and bosco dvd's for the last 4 years of your life if you intention is to gain a job at the end of this!! sorry', but do us a favour don't tell that to the first years'

wexhurdler

segaBOY wrote: »

It will fall further-a constant stream of Pharmacists will be still coming over from the UK in their vast numbers with the two new schools of pharmacy adding to the employment market where there is reduction in payments (which will probably lead to further pharmacy closures =>less jobs) means wages will fall even further.

You serious?? wow.... is that the out look for the permanent future then, qualified pharmacists with over 3 years experience struggling to earn 60000??:eek:

could the golden days of 70000 ever return?

liberal

haemfire wrote: »

yeah biomeds in automated labs with on call in busy hospitals can easily add 30 - 35k on to their salaries by doing about 2 sessions a week and a night on-call once a fortnight, €23 for every blood test after mid-night, heard cases of some bio labs getting 90+ samples post- midnight, a bad night in a bio lab would be less than 50 samples, x €23 :eek::eek:

Biomedical science is an extremely intense course, long hours, frequent assessments for 4-5 years, any biomeds that have I heard of who went on to do GEM have flown through, tbh just bcos accredited biomed courses are in IT's does not at all mean they are handy, several uni grads, start back at the beginning of biomed courses in IT's after they realise their uni's lied to them for years about having a job when they graduate, 'so to summarise your four year degree course, btw you might as well having been watching barney and bosco dvd's for the last 4 years of your life if you intention is to gain a job at the end of this!! sorry', but do us a favour don't tell that to the first years'

Its not an "extremely intense course" ive been getting through it handy enough, IMO its the hardest bioscience degree by a good bit but then, the competitive process of yearly selection means only the best biomedical salmon make it, also if ur implying that the ITs are superior to the UNIs you can take a walk

haemfire

liberal wrote: »

Its not an "extremely intense course" ive been getting through it handy enough, IMO its the hardest bioscience degree by a good bit but then, the competitive process of yearly selection means only the best biomedical salmon make it, also if ur implying that the ITs are superior to the UNIs you can take a walk

I'm not implying it, I know it for a fact. How you may ask? because i was told so by the uni biomedical graduate in my class!!

I take it you are doing a degree in biomed in a uni, well may i take this oppertunity to wish you the best of luck in your career when you qualify, your degree will be 100% relavent to your job when your talkin sh1t to fellow graduates in the dole Q.

Why are you looking at doing gamsat uk then so?

segaBOY

wexhurdler wrote: »

You serious?? wow.... is that the out look for the permanent future then, qualified pharmacists with over 3 years experience struggling to earn 60000??:eek:

could the golden days of 70000 ever return?

Well that's the way it is, no regulation-plenty of people doing the course and all these pharmacies (Ireland has the highest number per capita in Europe I believe) depending on hefty HSE mark ups (money the HSE no longer has), hey presto when the payments are cut the whole thing falls down.

IMO there probably will be less Irish going to the UK this year or next year to do pharmacy due to falling wages, less other EU pharmacists will probably come here to work, so eventually in about 6-7 years (and hopefully state finances will have improved by then too to increase mark up given by the HSE) there should be an improvement in wages due to a normal number of pharmacists coming out every year looking for jobs not the explosion of numbers we have seen over the last few years.

€70k for someone just out of college and has no practical experience was not sustainable. I certainly wouldn't mind a slice of it but someone trying to run a business with that wage bill will not last when the HSE cuts the payments in the mini budget.

It sucks but at least you'll have a profession that can be used Europe wide, easily work in Oz and NZ with a 6 month internship and exam and still well paid in USA and Canada with relative exams and internship completed.

Keep your chin up and best of luck.

segaBOY

haemfire wrote: »

I'm not implying it, I know it for a fact. How you may ask? because i was told so by the uni biomedical graduate in my class!!

I take it you are doing a degree in biomed in a uni, well may i take this oppertunity to wish you the best of luck in your career when you qualify, your degree will be 100% relavent to your job when your talkin sh1t to fellow graduates in the dole Q.

Why are you looking at doing gamsat uk then so?

Get off your bloody high horse, there's 11% unemployment today, show a bit of respect ffs :mad:

haemfire

segaBOY wrote: »

Get off your bloody high horse, there's 11% unemployment today, show a bit of respect ffs :mad:

quite the contary, i am defending myself against a person who told me to take a walk, whilst the irony is that he/she will be the one whos actually taking a walk after they graduate to their social welfare office

segaBOY

haemfire wrote: »

quite the contary, i am defending myself against a person who told me to take a walk, whilst the irony is that he/she will be the one whos actually taking a walk after they graduate to their social welfare office

Oh thanks for clearing that one up, not petty in the slightest :rolleyes:

Prime Mover

haemfire wrote: »

yeah biomeds in automated labs with on call in busy hospitals can easily add 30 - 35k on to their salaries by doing about 2 sessions a week and a night on-call once a fortnight, €23 for every blood test after mid-night, heard cases of some bio labs getting 90+ samples post- midnight, a bad night in a bio lab would be less than 50 samples, x €23 :eek::eek:

You can't bank on a rate like that continuing in this climate. Someone is probably cooking up a plan to cut that on-call rate just like doctors on-call.

tallaght01

What's with all the aggro.

The non accredited biomed courses are usually very good. They're not accredited because you don't send enough time on the machines. But that's only really relevant if you wanna work as a lab tech in hospital.

A non accredited biomed degree is like any other biosciences degree. A lot of my biomed degree got bored with the automated analysis side of being a lab tech, and went into careers that would have been open to everyone.

I went to med school after finishing 2nd in my year in biomed, and I still found med school really tough.

But, regardless, there's no need for aggro

On topic, I trained with a lot of pharmacists. A mate of mine met a Canadian, and went to live there when he married her. But when he was working in a pharmacy in Dublin only 3 or 4 years after grad, he was pulling in 85k per annum!!!!

segaBOY

tallaght01 wrote: »

What's with all the aggro.

Chip and shoulder

PCPhoto

I'm surprised that people havent mentioned locum pharmacists and their wages also (although they are becoming scarce now)

over the next 2-3years there will be loads of changes to the medical/pharma section of society and people who studied for years and have been working for years - will have to suck it up and take a severe cut in pay. (or new blood will take the jobs - experience or not !! )

anotherlostie

PCPhoto wrote: »

I'm surprised that people havent mentioned locum pharmacists and their wages also (although they are becoming scarce now)

over the next 2-3years there will be loads of changes to the medical/pharma section of society and people who studied for years and have been working for years - will have to suck it up and take a severe cut in pay. (or new blood will take the jobs - experience or not !! )

Exactly right. When I qualified in pharmacy, I went to work in the pharma industry - people couldn't understand why I would want to work in a less well paid job (never mind that I was using a lot more of my degree in my job!). It looks now like those who made the choice to work in this field, and hospital pharmacy, will be the ones to have done well, excepting the pharmacy owners of course who will profit exceptionally from the wage downturn, until the HSE come after them again.

Anyone who thinks it's 'not fair' that other graduates are making more than them should be welcomed to the game of life. And I suspect that a lot of younger graduates will decide to retrain now that their cash rich profession is no more. And pharmacist from my era that retrained as a doctor had no problems with the course.

I'm starting pharmacy next year.****.

Off topic question: Whne I qualify, will I be able to locum in the staes and Austalia or will I need further training?

segaBOY

Deleted User wrote: »

I'm starting pharmacy next year.****.

Off topic question: Whne I qualify, will I be able to locum in the staes and Austalia or will I need further training?

You need to do a 6 month pre reg and exam to work in Australia (the exam isn't as hard as what other non Australian or UK graduates would have to do to work there).

To work in the States you'll need to sit the FPGEE, do a year internship and do the NAPLEX. Also depends on what state you want to work it.

Do go down any of these routes you will have to have your MPSI first, best of luck it's not the worst course in the world.

segaBOY

segaBOY wrote: »

You need to do a 6 month pre reg and exam to work in Australia (the exam isn't as hard as what other non Australian or UK graduates would have to do to work there).

To work in the States you'll need to sit the FPGEE, do a year internship and do the NAPLEX. Also depends on what state you want to work it.

Do go down any of these routes you will have to have your MPSI first, best of luck it's not the worst course in the world.

I'll more than likely be studying in Aberdeen. Hmmm. Thats interesting. Just, I remember when I was on the J1. I got talking to an irish phramacist who waaabsolutely minted after only working in NYC for 4 years.

segaBOY

Deleted User wrote: »

I'll more than likely be studying in Aberdeen. Hmmm. Thats interesting. Just, I remember when I was on the J1. I got talking to an irish phramacist who waaabsolutely minted after only working in NYC for 4 years.

With the weak dollar, America printing more money and the crippling recession over there, there is no guarantee the wages will stay the same. Furthermore anything you save and bring back to Ireland may be seriously hit by a poor conversion rate. Also, to be a supervising pharmacist (who can run a shop alone) you will be required to have 3 years experience in Irish pharmacy-so if you head off to the states for a few years you will start at the bottom when coming home to Ireland.

Just bear those things in mind. Pharmacy isn't the cash cow it used to be.

RobFowl

segaBOY wrote: »

Also, to be a supervising pharmacist (who can run a shop alone) you will be required to have 3 years experience in Irish pharmacy

That regulation is being changed and will not apply in the future. (legislation imminent AFAIK)

segaBOY

RobFowl wrote: »

That regulation is being changed and will not apply in the future. (legislation imminent AFAIK)

AFAIK it's new legislation that's just been brought in under the new pharmacy act-you might be getting it mixed up with the old one which meant UK grads could only set up a shop after working here for 3 years...

http://www.pharmaceuticalsociety.ie/Pharmacy_Act_2007/Pharmacy_Act_2007/Navigation.html

I'm open to correction however

RobFowl

segaBOY wrote: »

AFAIK it's new legislation that's just been brought in under the new pharmacy act-you might be getting it mixed up with the old one which meant UK grads could only set up a shop after working here for 3 years...

http://www.pharmaceuticalsociety.ie/Pharmacy_Act_2007/Pharmacy_Act_2007/Navigation.html

I'm open to correction however

I'm wrong , sorry

The legislation i was thinking of applies to EU trained pharmacists only.

segaBOY

RobFowl wrote: »

I'm wrong , sorry

The legislation i was thinking of applies to EU trained pharmacists only.

No bother there's mountains of legislation out there!!

bleg

what's the story with industry pay? i just secured my pre reg placement today for 6 months and i'd be looking to go back into industry once i'm registered

WaldenByThoreua

Im in first year pharmacy in Ireland and hope that the jobs situation has righted itself in 4-5 years because it sure isn't pretty right now....

Wouldn't like to be graduating this year or next..think a masters or PhD might be the way to go..kill some years and gloss the CV..could lead to some interesting career moves as well...don't like the idea of using my degree to be looked at as a till monkey..

Ah well..:D

segaBOY

limerickmunster wrote: »

Im in first year pharmacy in Ireland and hope that the jobs situation has righted itself in 4-5 years because it sure isn't pretty right now....

Wouldn't like to be graduating this year or next..think a masters or PhD might be the way to go..kill some years and gloss the CV..could lead to some interesting career moves as well...don't like the idea of using my degree to be looked at as a till monkey..

Ah well..:D

It really depends on how much more the HSE budget will get hit and how many will be entering Ireland to work as Pharmacists over the next few years along with how many pharmacies will actually remain. I'd say expect the number of Pharmacies to fall in Ireland (as there are way too much already) and keep an open mind (as it seems you are doing!) about different career aspects.

bleg

limerickmunster wrote: »

Im in first year pharmacy in Ireland and hope that the jobs situation has righted itself in 4-5 years because it sure isn't pretty right now....

Wouldn't like to be graduating this year or next..think a masters or PhD might be the way to go..kill some years and gloss the CV..could lead to some interesting career moves as well...don't like the idea of using my degree to be looked at as a till monkey..

Ah well..:D

well we're getting a MPharm anyway.

job situation will be more pharmacists working in less pharmacies doing more work for less pay.

nesf

segaBOY wrote: »

I'd say expect the number of Pharmacies to fall in Ireland (as there are way too much already)

From chatting to my local pharmacist and from the few Pharmacies I've seen close down this year, this seems to already be happening. The recession will make places that were only marginal in terms of surviving disappear. The same thing will be/is happening to other businesses around the country.


Though I'm not really that sure what people are bitching about. 70K was silly money to be starting off on, it shouldn't surprise people that this situation wouldn't be permanent.

segaBOY

nesf wrote: »

Though I'm not really that sure what people are bitching about. 70K was silly money to be starting off on, it shouldn't surprise people that this situation wouldn't be permanent.

People can get notions about themselves, I remember coming across a newly qualified Pharmacist straight over from a uni in Brighton who was thinking of bitching to her boss because she didn't get paid for an extra 15 mins she had to do every second week-despite the fact she was earning just shy of €70k-a good kick up the backside wouldn't go astray.

onetrueone

segaBOY wrote: »

People can get notions about themselves, I remember coming across a newly qualified Pharmacist straight over from a uni in Brighton who was thinking of bitching to her boss because she didn't get paid for an extra 15 mins she had to do every second week-despite the fact she was earning just shy of €70k-a good kick up the backside wouldn't go astray.

How about comparing that with Dentists who do an Equivalent amount of training time (Five Years) yet Dentists get far more pay.
Also Dentists (and almost all other Health professionals) get a thing called a Lunch Break - Yet community Pharmacists don't, in fact I've never had a lunch break - ever.
Just stating facts here.

nesf

onetrueone wrote: »

How about comparing that with Dentists who do an Equivalent amount of training time (Five Years) yet Dentists get far more pay.
Also Dentists (and almost all other Health professionals) get a thing called a Lunch Break - Yet community Pharmacists don't, in fact I've never had a lunch break - ever.
Just stating facts here.

Yeah and people finishing PhDs have done 7-9 years of training. Their salaries vary from 30K-60K depending on field. A starting college lecturer is at around 40K. Some industries will get you more than that and in fairness a PhD is far more difficult than any undergraduate degree so it's not even that it's equal on a year to year comparison.

segaBOY

onetrueone wrote: »

How about comparing that with Dentists who do an Equivalent amount of training time (Five Years) yet Dentists get far more pay.
Also Dentists (and almost all other Health professionals) get a thing called a Lunch Break - Yet community Pharmacists don't, in fact I've never had a lunch break - ever.
Just stating facts here.

We all work hard mate, I studied my @ss off to get the points to do Pharmacy and I have to say the course isn't all that bad, a lot of work in it but not all that difficult. One of my best mates is a Dentist and his course sounded way harder tbh.

Tbh that's the profession you choose, plenty of Civil Engineers who did equivalent training time and they now don't have a job to go to.

With regard your lunch break that is a pain, along with the standing and taking the moaning from clients but that's all part of the job in a busy Pharmacy, better than humping bricks on a building site.

Not trying to slate you here but there are plenty of well educated people out there who'd give their right arm for our job.

segaBOY

nesf wrote: »

Yeah and people finishing PhDs have done 7-9 years of training. Their salaries vary from 30K-60K depending on field. A starting college lecturer is at around 40K. Some industries will get you more than that and in fairness a PhD is far more difficult than any undergraduate degree so it's not even that it's equal on a year to year comparison.

And people doing PhDs also get the "Sorry you're over qualified" thrown in their face from private industry. Either research or lecturing is the only route a lot of them can go down in Ireland unfortunately.

onetrueone

segaBOY wrote: »

One of my best mates is a Dentist and his course sounded way harder tbh.

That's funny two Pharmacists I know went back to study Dentistry and both said that the Pharmacy training was harder.

bleg

anybody on here know of a pharmacy looking to take on a 6 month pre reg student?

headtotoe

Please anybody tell me another profession where there is no lunch break (its also illegal), as for other professions being easier than comunity pharmacy, why is that pharmacy has the highest attrition rate of all healthcare professions.. has anyone heard of a dentist or a gp going back to college to become a community pharmacist, its never happened because community pharmacy is a job with ****e conditions.. and thats it.

headtotoe

headtotoe wrote: »

Please anybody tell me another profession where there is no lunch break (its also illegal), as for other professions being easier than comunity pharmacy, why is that pharmacy has the highest attrition rate of all healthcare professions.. has anyone heard of a dentist or a gp going back to college to become a community pharmacist, its never happened because community pharmacy is a job with ****e conditions.. and thats it.

Junior docs don't get luch breaks.

headtotoe

Junior doctors do get lunch breaks ive worked with them on hospital wards. in fact i recently was talking to an ex community pharmacist who is now a junior doctor and she said to me that how weird it was to have a lunch break after working as a community pharmacist in an items factory pharmacy.