Attn! Ireland - We are being ripped off!

Toiletroll

Hi fellow Irishmen who are considered to have so much money in our pockets that we will pay anything for anything. Here is one damn fine example:

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Eircom Line Rental (Ireland) €26

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BT Line Rental (UK) £10.49
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Eircom Talk Anytime (Ireland) 40.99 (<- I mean WTF is is that crazy b@st*rds)

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BT Talk Anytime (UK) £4.95
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Eircom Broadband (Ireland) €25 (for a STUPID 3mb)

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BT Broadband (UK) £16 (nobody in their right mind in the UK are with BT for this. 8mb though)

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Total for Eircom Ireland per month: €92
Total for BT UK per month: £30.44



Now just for 1 minute look at this deal

The same package as above with 8mb broadband anytime calls and line rental is 14.99 for the first 3 months and 19.99 thereafter with VAT included.

Why are we so stupid and agree to pay stupid amounts of cash for a service that is SOOOOOOOOOOOO cheap to provide!.... We are a bunch of idiots all round when it comes to price. We need to step up and sort this mess out. Its not just phone packages, gosh no, that would be irrelevant. This applies to almost everything!

Kehoejck

"We need to step up and sort this mess out."

We only agree to pay it because there is nothing else. If we want these services we will have to pay what the companies price them at.

In terms of what we can do, I believe there is very little.So what do you propose we do, march on eircom HQ?

Toiletroll wrote: »

Hi fellow Irishmen who are considered to have so much money in our pockets that we will pay anything for anything. Here is one damn fine example:

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Eircom Line Rental (Ireland) €26

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BT Line Rental (UK) £10.49
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Eircom Talk Anytime (Ireland) 40.99 (<- I mean WTF is is that crazy b@st*rds)

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BT Talk Anytime (UK) £4.95
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Eircom Broadband (Ireland) €25 (for a STUPID 3mb)

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BT Broadband (UK) £16 (nobody in their right mind in the UK are with BT for this. 8mb though)

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Total for Eircom Ireland per month: €92
Total for BT UK per month: £30.44



Now just for 1 minute look at this deal

The same package as above with 8mb broadband anytime calls and line rental is 14.99 for the first 3 months and 19.99 thereafter with VAT included.

Why are we so stupid and agree to pay stupid amounts of cash for a service that is SOOOOOOOOOOOO cheap to provide!.... We are a bunch of idiots all round when it comes to price. We need to step up and sort this mess out. Its not just phone packages, gosh no, that would be irrelevant. This applies to almost everything!

ven0m

Toiletroll wrote: »

Hi fellow Irishmen who are considered to have so much money in our pockets that we will pay anything for anything. Here is one damn fine example:

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Eircom Line Rental (Ireland) €26

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BT Line Rental (UK) £10.49
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Eircom Talk Anytime (Ireland) 40.99 (<- I mean WTF is is that crazy b@st*rds)

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BT Talk Anytime (UK) £4.95
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Eircom Broadband (Ireland) €25 (for a STUPID 3mb)

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BT Broadband (UK) £16 (nobody in their right mind in the UK are with BT for this. 8mb though)

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Total for Eircom Ireland per month: €92
Total for BT UK per month: £30.44



Now just for 1 minute look at this deal

The same package as above with 8mb broadband anytime calls and line rental is 14.99 for the first 3 months and 19.99 thereafter with VAT included.

Why are we so stupid and agree to pay stupid amounts of cash for a service that is SOOOOOOOOOOOO cheap to provide!.... We are a bunch of idiots all round when it comes to price. We need to step up and sort this mess out. Its not just phone packages, gosh no, that would be irrelevant. This applies to almost everything!

You are also forgetting we are a nation of under 5million, the UK is over 70 million - costs of course are going to differ, plus they have alot more providers, better infrastructure not to mention a cheaper cost of living in general than Ireland (except for cigarettes & petrol).

perhaps your argument would be better balanced if you understand the economic cost factors, & the actual costs of provisioning those services per user ......

It is this kind of sensationalism that people assume as fact & lead to hours of drole calls on Joe Duffy etc, or the front page crap in The Irish Sun, The Irish Mirror or the hack papers (Metro etc)

eth0_

As for the eircom talktime...I have wireless broadband from Digiweb and I have a Skype subscription which gives me a dublin 'landline' number and unlimited calls within Ireland (not to mobiles) for €3.39 per month. For unlimited calls within europe it is €4.54, unlimited calls worldwide, €10.29

There is almost always an alternative to these "rip offs".

Guy:Incognito

Besides the fact that Eircom dotn have a monolpoly on phone services here, why should they be competeing or compared with on prices to a different company in a different country?

If you are going to start doing these silly comparisons, why use the UK? Why not go for the cheapest telecom package in the world, it'll be as relevent as comparing us with the uk.


Plus you used the word Gosh, that immediatly invalidates your arguement.

Toiletroll

Stekelly wrote: »

Besides the fact that Eircom dotn have a monolpoly on phone services here, why should they be competeing or compared with on prices to a different company in a different country?

If you are going to start doing these silly comparisons, why use the UK? Why not go for the cheapest telecom package in the world, it'll be as relevent as comparing us with the uk.


Plus you used the word Gosh, that immediatly invalidates your arguement.

You spelled argument wrong and that makes you look like an idiot for either being an idiot or deliberatly trying to be ironic!

I work in the UK telecoms industry. I know how it operates.

All of you guys above should realise that as a company in the UK if a customer wants to cancel with us we will offer that customer the following:

Unlimited Anytime Calls
Line Rental
UNLIMITED up to 8mb broadband no FUP

All for £14 per month with VAT included. The company still make a nice profit on this. So are you telling me that the difference between £14 and €92 is down to the fact that it costs that much more to provide the services in a much smaller country with infinitely more simple networks.

On BBC article below ireland is 2nd most expensive. (Findland topping list last year) We have the MOST expensive line rental in the world... Lol

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6900697.stm

EDIT - The above package would depend on whether that customers line is enable for LLU (Local Loop Unbundling) which is in a vast amount of exchanges in ireland

Guy:Incognito

Toiletroll wrote: »

You spelled argument wrong and that makes you look like an idiot for either being an idiot or deliberatly trying to be ironic

Nope. it makes me look like my wireless keyboard keeps lagging behind me and I cant catch all the mistakes all the time. Just like most of the time my n and t's and n and g's get mixed up.

Oh and btw http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=arguement

Toiletroll wrote: »

You spelled argument wrong and that makes you look like an idiot for either being an idiot or deliberatly trying to be ironic!

Findland topping list last year (finDland is not a country, also you could do with the word "the" between topping and list)

"On BBC article below" could do with a bit of grammar

Ironing you say?

If your going to start playing the spelling game you should really make sure your house is in order.

Toiletroll

Stekelly wrote: »

Nope. it makes me look like my wireless keyboard keeps lagging behind me and I cant catch all the mistakes all the time. Just like most of the time my n and t's and n and g's get mixed up.

Oh and btw http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=arguement




Ironing you say?

If your going to start playing the spelling game you should really make sure your house is in order.

Look this thread is not about spelling and I never intended on it turning into one. So stop wasting my time and stay OT.

Guy:Incognito

Toiletroll wrote: »

Look this thread is not about spelling and I never intended on it turning into one. So stop wasting my time and stay OT.

Maybe you missed the bit so where I replied to your OP and you started gibbering on about my spelling and being abusive?

ntlbell

Putting us up against different counties is all a bit pointless really..

How much is it for talktime and BB in the arsehole of kenya?

just out of curiosity

Toiletroll

Stekelly wrote: »

Maybe you missed the bit so where I replied to your OP and you started gibbering on about my spelling and being abusive?

Listen Mr Troll - You turned my COMPARISON into an argument / arguement by saying that my arguement / argument is nullified because I used the word "Gosh".

Now stop this irrelevant babbling and stay OT

Toiletroll

ntlbell wrote: »

Putting us up against different counties is all a bit pointless really..

How much is it for talktime and BB in the arsehole of kenya?

just out of curiosity

We are comparing countries that have developed to about the same level...

Guy:Incognito

Toiletroll wrote: »

Listen Mr Troll - You turned my COMPARISON into an argument / arguement by saying that my arguement / argument is nullified because I used the word "Gosh".

Now stop this irrelevant babbling and stay OT

So now its about me making light of your use of the word gosh and not me making it into a thread about your spelling despite you bringing up spelling first? Ok gotcha, just so we're clear.

Toiletroll

Stekelly wrote: »

So now its about me making light of your use of the word gosh and not me making it into a thread about your spelling despite you bringing up spelling first? Ok gotcha, just so we're clear.

Its funny that you have not "tackled" any of the facts I have provided and choose to continue talking about absolutely nothing and wasting everyones time. Go back to the pen and baaa baa black sheep

aidan_walsh

Toiletroll, what area of the UK telecoms market do you work in?

ongarite

You can't compare Ireland telecoms industry to UK. BT and Eircom have same basic infrastructure setup but as percentage cost, it costs alot more for Eircom.

If Eircom wants to upgrade it DSL exchanges, it not going to get anywhere near the deal that BT will when dealing with vendors.

We should be compared to Finland, Norway. Equivalent population of 5M, same population spread as Ireland also.

I'm not defending Eircom in particular and do think they are over-priced but your comparison is very flawed.

Toiletroll

ven0m wrote: »

You are also forgetting we are a nation of under 5million, the UK is over 70 million - costs of course are going to differ, plus they have alot more providers, better infrastructure not to mention a cheaper cost of living in general than Ireland (except for cigarettes & petrol).

perhaps your argument would be better balanced if you understand the economic cost factors, & the actual costs of provisioning those services per user ......

It is this kind of sensationalism that people assume as fact & lead to hours of drole calls on Joe Duffy etc, or the front page crap in The Irish Sun, The Irish Mirror or the hack papers (Metro etc)

The cost of provision = A guy in the exchange walking over to your line and plugging it in (At least its the case for LLU) Smart telecom operate on LLU enables lines ONLY

Guy:Incognito

Toiletroll wrote: »

Its funny that you have not "tackled" any of the facts I have provided and choose to continue talking about absolutely nothing and wasting everyones time. Go back to the pen and baaa baa black sheep

Yes, ok then.



You have yet to show how it's relevant comparing the UK industry with the Irish one. Why not find somewhere cheaper than the UK and whinge about how expensive the UK is?

Toiletroll

ongarite wrote: »

You can't compare Ireland telecoms industry to UK. BT and Eircom have same basic infrastructure setup but as percentage cost, it costs alot more for Eircom.

If Eircom wants to upgrade it DSL exchanges, it not going to get anywhere near the deal that BT will when dealing with vendors.

We should be compared to Finland, Norway. Equivalent population of 5M, same population spread as Ireland also.

I'm not defending Eircom in particular and do think they are over-priced but your comparison is very flawed.

Finland 109 kr for 4mb about €16 if I am correct?

inforfun

Toiletroll wrote: »

On BBC article below ireland is 2nd most expensive. (Findland topping list last year) We have the MOST expensive line rental in the world... Lol

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/6900697.stm

Just my 2 cents about Finland.
I visited the country in 1990 and about everybody was walking around with mobile phones in these days already.
Nokia, after all, used to be a Finnish company. Finland is pretty big with not a lot of people. There was (and is?) simple no need to have landlines so if you want one, you pay.

I dont want to argue that it is indeed slightly overpriced in Ireland though.

justcallmetex

A question on provisioning cost.Why would it cost more to provision me with BB in Ireland than in the UK? I mean it's s digital signal on an existing line???

Guy:Incognito

Toiletroll wrote: »

Finland 109 kr for 4mb about €16 if I am correct?

NTL offer 10mb for €30. Thats 2 and a half times the speed for less than twice the price.

I havent even checked other prices. I just happen to have NTL myslef so know the prices.

ongarite

Toiletroll wrote: »

We are comparing countries that have developed to about the same level...

Toiletroll wrote: »

Finland 109 kr for 4mb about €16 if I am correct?

If you want prices like that in this country, you will need Irish Government to step in and spend €1 billion like in Sweden and Finland to upgrade telecoms line with fibre and ADSL2+ upgrades

Eircom or any of the telcos have the capital or resources to upgrade network or sell products at UK prices. SMART tried and they went bust very quick. Eircom for all our complaining makes SFA profit from landline business, Meteor is the only thing keeping them afloat.

ven0m

Toiletroll wrote: »

The cost of provision = A guy in the exchange walking over to your line and plugging it in (At least its the case for LLU) Smart telecom operate on LLU enables lines ONLY

That's overly simplified & trolling, & you bloody well know it. My 12 years in telecoms tells me otherwise mate, & that was 12 years in several markets for several high profile companies.

Provisioning cost is based on way more than the manpower, & makes me wonder if you are infact merely a grunt in the industry, as opposed to someone who actually 'worked' in it & on provisioning from acq. up.

axer

justcallmetex wrote: »

A question on provisioning cost.Why would it cost more to provision me with BB in Ireland than in the UK? I mean it's s digital signal on an existing line???

It is a bit more complicated than that. There are larger economies of scale in the UK due to a larger market.

OP: There is less competition in Ireland at the moment since Eircom controls too much. If and when that changes then the prices will come down. End of thread.

ntlbell

Toiletroll wrote: »

We are comparing countries that have developed to about the same level...

No we're not

it's Ireland and the UK which have most definitely not developed at the same level

ven0m

ntlbell wrote: »

No we're not

it's Ireland and the UK which have most definitely not developed at the same level

Yeah, we have a legacy French based phone system & the UK has a more modern system LOL

ongarite

ntlbell wrote: »

No we're not

it's Ireland and the UK which have most definitely not developed at the same level

ntlbell is correct. UK is far far ahead in telco technology its not funny. BT have all exchanges at ADSL2+ and working now on FTTD roll-out.

Eircom can't even roll-out ADSL2+ to even 20% of the exchanges in this country and even if they could the copper phone lines couldn't cope. We are going to be stuck with 8MB DSL unless Eircom can magically find the pot of money at end of the rainbow.

NinjaTruncs

Toiletroll wrote: »

Hi fellow Irishmen who are considered to have so much money in our pockets that we will pay anything for anything. Here is one damn fine example:

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Eircom Line Rental (Ireland) €26 this is included in the Talk anytime package

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BT Line Rental (UK) £10.49
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Eircom Talk Anytime (Ireland) 40.99 (<- I mean WTF is is that crazy b@st*rds)

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BT Talk Anytime (UK) £4.95
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Eircom Broadband (Ireland) €25 (for a STUPID 3mb)

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BT Broadband (UK) £16 (nobody in their right mind in the UK are with BT for this. 8mb though)

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Total for Eircom Ireland per month: €9266
Total for BT UK per month: £30.44

Your sums weren't quite right

EKRIUQ

Toiletroll

Am I the only one after noticing this?

Toiletroll

NinjaTruncs wrote: »

Your sums weren't quite right

Fair enough

Toiletroll

ven0m wrote: »

That's overly simplified & trolling, & you bloody well know it. My 12 years in telecoms tells me otherwise mate, & that was 12 years in several markets for several high profile companies.

Provisioning cost is based on way more than the manpower, & makes me wonder if you are infact merely a grunt in the industry, as opposed to someone who actually 'worked' in it & on provisioning from acq. up.

BT Ireland have quite a few ADSL2+ exchanges. Smart are in a lot of Irish Exchanges offering ADSL2+ on LLU lines.

Why talk about the past?

If you know so much, lets try to focus or energies on where those problems are. Considering your experience you should have some good information for us 'grunts' as you would like to call them. I work in a call center environment - I do not do the hardware installations etc. I have worked with 5 different depts within said call center and you get to see much more than your average bloke digging holes

Toiletroll

Namesco wrote: »

Toiletroll

Am I the only one after noticing this?

Yes - A clever username from a mmorpg that I used to play? Oh london is burning I have fire in my stove, I DID IT OH NO I DID IT! lol :P

ongarite

Toiletroll wrote: »

BT Ireland have quite a few ADSL2+ exchanges. Smart are in a lot of Irish Exchanges offering ADSL2+ on LLU lines.

BT are in Dublin exchanges with LLU equipment that is worth trying to make some money for them.
SMART are in tiny tiny amount of exchanges in M50 radius, they have no money at all and haven't upgraded any more exchanges in over 2 yrs.

Toiletroll

ongarite wrote: »

BT are in Dublin exchanges with LLU equipment that is worth trying to make some money for them.
SMART are in tiny tiny amount of exchanges in M50 radius, they have no money at all and haven't upgraded any more exchanges in over 2 yrs.

Not entirely true - I am in the northwest and have 15mb Smart connection and its very good. http://www.smarttelecom.ie/residential_package_broadband.html

They are all over the place. I know of another town where a friend of mine got a flyer in the door about Smart enabling their exchange...

Gurgle

ongarite wrote: »

If you want prices like that in this country, you will need Irish Government to step in and spend €1 billion like in Sweden and Finland to upgrade telecoms line with fibre and ADSL2+ upgrades

Eircom or any of the telcos have the capital or resources to upgrade network or sell products at UK prices. SMART tried and they went bust very quick. Eircom for all our complaining makes SFA profit from landline business, Meteor is the only thing keeping them afloat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_and_population_of_European_countries

Population density.
UK have it, we don't.

1huge1

eth0_ wrote: »

As for the eircom talktime...I have wireless broadband from Digiweb and I have a Skype subscription which gives me a dublin 'landline' number and unlimited calls within Ireland (not to mobiles) for €3.39 per month. For unlimited calls within europe it is €4.54, unlimited calls worldwide, €10.29

There is almost always an alternative to these "rip offs".

Ya its a shame that way too many Irish people take the ''easy'' route and just go with eircom.
It drives me up the wall.

Toiletroll

1huge1 wrote: »

Ya its a shame that way too many Irish people take the ''easy'' route and just go with eircom.
It drives me up the wall.

Finally - Great point. If more people were willing to try alternative providers then maybe the market could be bigger and more competition could develop.

Smart going bust 2 years ago wouldnt have helped the confidence in the marketplace

jor el

ongarite wrote: »

BT are in Dublin exchanges with LLU equipment that is worth trying to make some money for them.
SMART are in tiny tiny amount of exchanges in M50 radius, they have no money at all and haven't upgraded any more exchanges in over 2 yrs.

Smart are in lots of exchanges outside of Dublin. BT are only in a handful of exchanges, and at least one outside Dublin (Dooradoyle, Limerick). Smart haven't been doing much lately though. BT were the first company to unbundle lines in this country, and have done SFA in the years since they started it.

1huge1 wrote: »

Ya its a shame that way too many Irish people take the ''easy'' route and just go with eircom.
It drives me up the wall.

But what are the alternatives for most people? If you go with phoneline/DSL, then you are still paying eircom (even LLU operators pay rental to eircom). For non-DSL, you have wireless which varies from excessively expensive and crap, up to very good. In cable we have mainly UPC, which services about 1/3 of the households in the country with TV, and less with broadband.

The vast majority of people are lucky to have a single telephone/broadband provider, so there is no choice. For telephone only, you can go with BT, UTV, Imagine, Perlico, and a host of others, but many of them have dire customer service, can over charge and can cause all sorts of other problems that you have to deal with. In many cases, it's best to stick with eircom, even if they are robbing you blind.

Toiletroll

jor el wrote: »

Smart are in lots of exchanges outside of Dublin. BT are only in a handful of exchanges, and at least one outside Dublin (Dooradoyle, Limerick). Smart haven't been doing much lately though. BT were the first company to unbundle lines in this country, and have done SFA in the years since they started it.



But what are the alternatives for most people? If you go with phoneline/DSL, then you are still paying eircom (even LLU operators pay rental to eircom). For non-DSL, you have wireless which varies from excessively expensive and crap, up to very good. In cable we have mainly UPC, which services about 1/3 of the households in the country with TV, and less with broadband.

The vast majority of people are lucky to have a single telephone/broadband provider, so there is no choice. For telephone only, you can go with BT, UTV, Imagine, Perlico, and a host of others, but many of them have dire customer service, can over charge and can cause all sorts of other problems that you have to deal with. In many cases, it's best to stick with eircom, even if they are robbing you blind.

Wow amazing post - Great insight.

How efficient are ComReg? Are they anywhere near like Ofcom in the UK? I would doubt it, even though Ofcom are not great either.

If they copied the regulations Ofcom have in the UK or at least the ones that could be applied to the vast majority of the current technology & services in Ireland then we could have a far better and all round system. They have been doing it a lot longer so why can we not learn from their mistakes?

If eircom are not making any profits on their current prices or very little then where the hell is the money going?

Cost PLUS++, anyone?

Toiletroll

Another thing to look at - Telecoms are part of the backbone of any economy. If we are to try to gain back our competitivness in the world economy we should be trying to lower the costs for the EU. These are important services for our business and bringing their costs down could only help imho.

dudara

Keep the sarcasm in your pants guys. It's not doing your arguments any favours.

dudara

Toiletroll

Well I think I might have a few too many this evening. Its all a bit of fun in the end thouhg

craichoe

Hahahahaha .. what a rip off .. i pay 20 euros / month, including line rental for 20mbit down and 1.5mbit up, 1:1 Contention and no Cap :P

Cabaal

what a pointless thread, everyone knows line rental in Irerland is most expensive in Europe, Toiletroll I would suggest that if your going to compare you actually give the right price on things...

Eircom line rental is €25.36 not 26.00

In relation to DSL and Broadband, I believe you'll find that BT Wholesales IP-Stream Network and Eircom Wholesales Bit-Stream Network are NOT the same, coverage by BT Wholesale in the UK is about 98% of pop and provides upto 8MB for the past 2 years or so and is now moving to 16MB as well as rolling out the 21CN in 2009+.....Eircom have only changed to upto 7.6MB in the last two months on some exchanges.

The other major factor in Ireland is line quality is alot poorer that then of the UK.

Oh lets also go abit further sure....most LLU providers in the UK (CPW being the largest) still only cover about 60-70% of UK pop, however in Ireland LLU providers are ONLY in large citys and covers alot less....oh look at that...again not the same :pac:
Its also worth noting that ALOT of the "free" Broadband packages or those at low prices such as £9.99 per month are ONLY available in LLU area's in the UK and if your outside of these area's then expect to pay £5 to £10 extra a month on top of this "low" price. This is very common practice among LLU providers in the UK.

In addition people bitch about caps, you'll find the basically all the top 5 ISP's in the UK now have caps or FUP's as part of there Broadband packages.

We're not comparing like with like at all here,

As already mentioned:

Gurgle wrote: »

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Area_and_population_of_European_countries

Population density.
UK have it, we don't.

Gurgle talks much sense!

justcallmetex

Toiletroll wrote: »

Finally - Great point. If more people were willing to try alternative providers then maybe the market could be bigger and more competition could develop.

Smart going bust 2 years ago wouldnt have helped the confidence in the marketplace

Hence why eircom cut off their services in the first place

sunny2004

The op may have his sums wrong but we do in fact get overcharged for just about everything.. so cut the guy a break..

Toiletroll

Cabaal wrote: »

what a pointless thread, everyone knows line rental in Irerland is most expensive in Europe, Toiletroll I would suggest that if your going to compare you actually give the right price on things...

Eircom line rental is €25.36 not 26.00

In relation to DSL and Broadband, I believe you'll find that BT Wholesales IP-Stream Network and Eircom Wholesales Bit-Stream Network are NOT the same, coverage by BT Wholesale in the UK is about 98% of pop and provides upto 8MB for the past 2 years or so and is now moving to 16MB as well as rolling out the 21CN in 2009+.....Eircom have only changed to upto 7.6MB in the last two months on some exchanges.

The other major factor in Ireland is line quality is alot poorer that then of the UK.

Oh lets also go abit further sure....most LLU providers in the UK (CPW being the largest) still only cover about 60-70% of UK pop, however in Ireland LLU providers are ONLY in large citys and covers alot less....oh look at that...again not the same :pac:
Its also worth noting that ALOT of the "free" Broadband packages or those at low prices such as £9.99 per month are ONLY available in LLU area's in the UK and if your outside of these area's then expect to pay £5 to £10 extra a month on top of this "low" price. This is very common practice among LLU providers in the UK.

In addition people bitch about caps, you'll find the basically all the top 5 ISP's in the UK now have caps or FUP's as part of there Broadband packages.

We're not comparing like with like at all here,

As already mentioned:


Gurgle talks much sense!

Some fair points but you do under-estimate the LLU in Ireland. I live in the back-arse of nowhere (though not too far from the exchange) and I am getting Smart 15mb. I live at least 50 miles away from the nearest thing you might even consider calling a city and about another 20 miles from civilization

EDIT - And its not a pointless thread you clown, unless you have benifiting shares somewhere If we dont talk about the high prices and just sit back and take them they will never go away. Talking about it wont do much but its better than doing absolutely nothing

Cabaal

Toiletroll wrote: »

Some fair points but you do under-estimate the LLU in Ireland. I live in the back-arse of nowhere (though not too far from the exchange) and I am getting Smart 15mb. I live at least 50 miles away from the nearest thing you might even consider calling a city and about another 20 miles from civilization

You must be the exception then, there are many people who post on a daly basis that live only 4km from their local exchange and they still can't get any Broadband and thats not even from LLU providers.

Smart and BT LLU for the most part is only available onm City exchanges, for example Waterford, Cork, Galway, Kilkenny etc but not in small towns outside of these citys

EDIT - And its not a pointless thread you clown, unless you have benifiting shares somewhere If we dont talk about the high prices and just sit back and take them they will never go away. Talking about it wont do much but its better than doing absolutely nothing

It is a very much pointless thread, first off your not comparing like with like which I've proven and bitching about it all on some message board isn't going to do a thing unless your actually do something outside of some posts on a board.

So its pointless unless you actually do something more useful, talk to me when you have

Toiletroll

Cabaal wrote: »

You must be the exception then, there are many people who post on a daly basis that live only 4km from their local exchange and they still can't get any Broadband and thats not even from LLU providers.

Smart and BT LLU for the most part is only available onm City exchanges, for example Waterford, Cork, Galway, Kilkenny etc but not in small towns outside of these citys



It is a very much pointless thread, first off your not comparing like with like which I've proven and bitching about it all on some message board isn't going to do a thing unless your actually do something outside of some posts on a board.

So its pointless unless you actually do something more useful, talk to me when you have

Again - I live in a small town with Smart 15MB LLU... None of the above. Also that town is in the north west which in itself is the back-arse of nowhere lol.

Yes posting on here doesnt do anything so to speak but it might get someone in a better position to do something about it, or to think and suggest.

I didnt come on here claiming to know how to solve the issues, if I knew that hell id have them solved already!

ven0m

LLU is decided on return-on-investment by these companies, although Smart are not as their name implies & have a T-50 running around Dublin that doesn't even terminate anywhere of any bloody use LOL

LLU is a cherry-picking exercise in Ireland, & ALL those involved share equal blame with eircom. Some of the stories I could tell you (but can't) about LLU would see some very very different attitude changes about eircom ......

eircom are not the bad guys as much as many people try to make out, & no - I don't currently work for them.