Phil Ivey Messing

mick84

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/article/4904/wpt-legends-of-poker-day-1b-recap

In the following article Ivey pushes all-in blind in the first level/first hand of a $10,000 WPT event with 4 - 3 off suit.

And gets called by a person with KK. Ivey loses.

Ivey wanted a double up so he could leave the event and get blinded off so he doesnt have to play day 1 because he is busy.

To me that a disgrace. What if you won a sit into that event or used a large percentage of the bankroll to play in it . And some clown tries what Ivey did.

What do you think.

zuutroy

It his money, he can do what he wants with it. If the buyin is too much for your roll you shouldn't be there. Else, its a great situation where you have a great chance to double up.

death1234567

zuutroy wrote: »

It his money, he can do what he wants with it.

QED.

BOBBB

mick84 wrote: »

http://www.cardplayer.com/poker-news/article/4904/wpt-legends-of-poker-day-1b-recap



What if you won a sit into that event or used a large percentage of the bankroll to play in it . And some clown tries what Ivey did.

It would be your own fault for buying in under rolled,so......

derek2222_ie

If you know Ivey is pushing in blind here and you are sitting in the big blind. What is your minimum requirement to make the call?

Considering we are starting with 30000 chips and 90 minute blinds

Mellor

mick84 wrote: »

To me that a disgrace. What if you won a sit into that event or used a large percentage of the bankroll to play in it . And some clown tries what Ivey did.

I'd be delighted to be honest.
Early double ups are nice

Duff Man Jr.

mick84 wrote: »

To me that a disgrace. What if you won a sit into that event or used a large percentage of the bankroll to play in it . And some clown tries what Ivey did.

What do you think.

Id be delighted

BOBBB

derek2222_ie wrote: »

If you know Ivey is pushing in blind here and you are sitting in the big blind. What is your minimum requirement to make the call?

Considering we are starting with 30000 chips and 90 minute blinds

I'd be calling with

-The Rockets
-The Hooks
- The Ladies
- The Dead Mans Hand

Basically any hand that has a name

CoD

BOBBB wrote: »

I'd be calling with

-The Rockets
-The Hooks
- The Ladies
- The Dead Mans Hand

Basically any hand that has a name

What about the hammer??

Tight Ted

10 bonus points to anyone who can tell me why it's called the dead man's hand.

death1234567

Tight Ted wrote: »

10 bonus points to anyone who can tell me why it's called the dead man's hand.

Because Wild bill hickok got shot holding Two pair Aces and eights. Technically being dealt A 8 isn't the dead mans hand unless you hit your two pair, although Jesse May would probably say otherwise.

shoutman

Cause some old dude was shot while he was holding that hand......

mick84

Most people that replied said they would call with the dead mans hand and other mad hands.

WHAT ?????

Even if he told you that he was going all-in blind you would not call.
Would you risk your whole tournament on a complete gamble ?


And if you say YES. Ask yourself this would you gamble 10,000 on a black jack hand ?

It the same situation.

Dont reply saying "ill gamble with **** hand" because u know you wouldn't. Unless you had kk or aa

Its a mad play by Phil simple as that .

Mont

mick84 wrote: »

Most people that replied said they would call with the dead mans hand and other mad hands.

WHAT ?????

Even if he told you that he was going all-in blind you would not call.
Would you risk your whole tournament on a complete gamble ?


And if you say YES. Ask yourself this would you gamble 10,000 on a black jack hand ?

It the same situation.

Dont reply saying "ill gamble with **** hand" because u know you wouldn't. Unless you had kk or aa

Its a mad play by Phil simple as that .

Of course i would - the average hand is Q7 off so there is a 50% chance he has worse than this - thus if i had say the top 25% of hands you really should call eg KQ, KJ, any Ace, any pair over 9's (im obv not calling with 22, 33) - to fold would be ridic when the odds are massively in your favour

Also would you call if you knew he had 34off and you had KQoff - damn right i would

The Tourist

shoutman wrote: »

Cause some old dude was shot while he was holding that hand......

Lol

Gholimoli

so the purpose of this thread is that you are giving out about Phil cuz he pushed blind in the first hand and you think that if some1 called that bet and lost and was eliminated from the tourney ,it would not be fiar ?
wtf dude seriously?

Chucky the tree

mick84 wrote: »

Most people that replied said they would call with the dead mans hand and other mad hands.

WHAT ?????

Even if he told you that he was going all-in blind you would not call.
Would you risk your whole tournament on a complete gamble ?


And if you say YES. Ask yourself this would you gamble 10,000 on a black jack hand ?

It the same situation.

Dont reply saying "ill gamble with **** hand" because u know you wouldn't. Unless you had kk or aa

Its a mad play by Phil simple as that .

:pac:


You sound like one of those losers at the NL 10 tables who whinge and moan about how this is unfair and not poker everytime I open shove playing flips.

the whole year inn

where the hell was he off to is a better question?

Mont

gob_smacked wrote: »

where the hell was he off to is a better question?

Probably gambling 1 million on craps or else to get an oriental meal from McDonalds - i think his interest in most tournies is gone - cant really blame him when some nights he wins a couple of mil

keane2097

Best thread ever imo...

Hectorjelly

mick84 wrote: »

Most people that replied said they would call with the dead mans hand and other mad hands.

WHAT ?????

Even if he told you that he was going all-in blind you would not call.
Would you risk your whole tournament on a complete gamble ?


And if you say YES. Ask yourself this would you gamble 10,000 on a black jack hand ?

It the same situation.

Dont reply saying "ill gamble with **** hand" because u know you wouldn't. Unless you had kk or aa

Its a mad play by Phil simple as that .

lol, either this is a windup, you are a beginner or you're a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

Mellor

Tight Ted wrote: »

10 bonus points to anyone who can tell me why it's called the dead man's hand.

Should really be points for anyone who doesn't know.
Maybe 2 points if they knew why he shot him.

mick84 wrote: »

And if you say YES. Ask yourself this would you gamble 10,000 on a black jack hand ?

It the same situation.

Your right, blackjack and poker are the same.
Its just cards and chips. The fact that the house has a huge edge in one and you have a huge edge over Phil Ivey (only situation this will happen) has no bearing

YULETIRED

Mellor wrote: »

Maybe 2 points if they knew why he shot him.

because he told a gay cowboy joke .....and upset the brokeback mountain folk?

Two gay cowboys talking
YUP?
YEP.


Out before lock.

Flushdraw

mick84 wrote: »

Most people that replied said they would call with the dead mans hand and other mad hands.

WHAT ?????

Even if he told you that he was going all-in blind you would not call.
Would you risk your whole tournament on a complete gamble ?


And if you say YES. Ask yourself this would you gamble 10,000 on a black jack hand ?

It the same situation.

Dont reply saying "ill gamble with **** hand" because u know you wouldn't. Unless you had kk or aa

Its a mad play by Phil simple as that .

Nice post. Although i might call with QQ too

lee_arama

BOBBB wrote: »

I'd be calling with


- The Dead Mans Hand

I'd be calling the T.Director asking him why you're playing 5 card stud when the rest are playing NLHE.

Goodluck2me

derek2222_ie wrote: »

If you know Ivey is pushing in blind here and you are sitting in the big blind. What is your minimum requirement to make the call?

Considering we are starting with 30000 chips and 90 minute blinds

Lloid insta calls with Q8clubs.

jtsuited

lee_arama wrote: »

I'd be calling the T.Director asking him why you're playing 5 card stud when the rest are playing NLHE.

isn't deadman's hand a 5 card draw hand?

Conbro

Basically any hand that has a name

Dinner for two?

busted flush

BOBBB wrote: »

I'd be calling with

-The Rockets
-The Hooks
- The Ladies
- The Dead Mans Hand

Basically any hand that has a name

yea what about the jaxson five (j 5) that has a name would you call off your whole stack pre flop with that?

CourierCollie

Yeah, the Dolly Parton (9 5) is foldable imo.

Hectorjelly

Hectorjelly wrote: »

lol, either this is a windup, you are a beginner or you're a few sandwiches short of a picnic.

+1.

Bet he thinks online is rigged.

CourierCollie

Just found out Q3 is called the 'Gay Waiter' ;

'Queen with a tray'

YULETIRED

CourierCollie wrote: »

Just found out Q3 is called the 'Gay Waiter' ;

'Queen with a tray'

2 bonus points plus a blinkety blinkers cheque book and pen if you get this one


The Termite......

I'll give you 2 seconds to get it

jtsuited

CourierCollie wrote: »

Just found out Q3 is called the 'Gay Waiter' ;

'Queen with a tray'

I've wanted to know that for years!

DubTony

Cardplayer wrote:

He finished off the $10,000 chicken and rice he had ordered when he sat down and then left the tournament area.

Degag

mick84 wrote: »

Most people that replied said they would call with the dead mans hand and other mad hands.

WHAT ?????

Even if he told you that he was going all-in blind you would not call.
Would you risk your whole tournament on a complete gamble ?


And if you say YES. Ask yourself this would you gamble 10,000 on a black jack hand ?

It the same situation.

Dont reply saying "ill gamble with **** hand" because u know you wouldn't. Unless you had kk or aa

Its a mad play by Phil simple as that .

Why is this guy getting a hard time? Anyone who would even concider calling with a8 shouldn't be allowed play poker.

lee_arama

jtsuited wrote: »

isn't deadman's hand a 5 card draw hand?

LOL, yes I did indeed mean 5-card-draw. Was in a HORSE tourney and had stud on the brain.

bohsman

Tackle69 wrote: »

Why is this guy getting a hard time? Anyone who would even concider calling with a8 shouldn't be allowed play poker.

lol.

If I was rolled for the game I call with Q8.

If it was a €20 freezeout what do you call with?

Degag

bohsman wrote: »

lol.

If I was rolled for the game I call with Q8.

If it was a €20 freezeout what do you call with?

It doesn't matter what type of buyin it is.... Against 34, a8 or q8 is only a 60/40 favourite.... why put all your chips on the line for those odds in the first hand of a tournament with so much play in it? How could anyone know he is pushing with 34? He could have q9 or a10 just as easy and then you'd be screwed

bohsman

Im only 60 40 favourite against 34 but Im screwed against AT?

Degag

bohsman wrote: »

Im only 60 40 favourite against 34 but Im screwed against AT?

with a8.

Chucky the tree

Tackle69 wrote: »

It doesn't matter what type of buyin it is.... Against 34, a8 or q8 is only a 60/40 favourite.... why put all your chips on the line for those odds in the first hand of a tournament with so much play in it? How could anyone know he is pushing with 34? He could have q9 or a10 just as easy and then you'd be screwed

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.291% 55.95% 01.34% 1173537003 28178640.50 { QhTd }
Hand 1: 42.709% 41.37% 01.34% 867678116 28178640.50 { random }




If your not willing to get your money in ahead, no matter how marignal, then I think your the one who shouldnt be playing poker.*



*I kid I kid, having scared money like you at the table is always +ev, dont ever quit.

phantom_lord

a8 is a snap fist pump call

a-k-47

a8 is a snap kick pump the chair while fist pumping call.

Chucky the tree

If Ivey was UTG and he shoved and was called by MP2, if we were on the BTN what would peoples calling range be?

MP2 is unknown, you've never seen him before.

Lurker1977

Tight Ted

phantom_lord wrote: »

a8 is a snap fist pump call

It would have been golden if someone did have the fabled 'dead man's hand' or 'A8'.

I can picture it now...

"CALL, A8, YOU'RE A DEAD MAN IVEY, A DEAD ****ING MAN!!!"

*Fist pump*

Fittingly, Ivey probably would have dropped dead with a combination of fear, shock and respect.

a-k-47

Chucky the tree wrote: »

If Ivey was UTG and he shoved and was called by MP2, if we were on the BTN what would peoples calling range be?

MP2 is unknown, you've never seen him before.

q10 he has q9 obv.

Degag

Chucky the tree wrote: »

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 57.291% 55.95% 01.34% 1173537003 28178640.50 { QhTd }
Hand 1: 42.709% 41.37% 01.34% 867678116 28178640.50 { random }




If your not willing to get your money in ahead, no matter how marignal, then I think your the one who shouldnt be playing poker.*



*I kid I kid, having scared money like you at the table is always +ev, dont ever quit.

Its not scared money... its just the smart play... i can't believe that so called respected players on here advocate a call with a marginal hand such as a8 or even a useless hand like q8... With 200 or 300 bbs in the first few levels, hour long clock etc, i think i know what i'd do with my money regardless of whether is €20 or €10000. No way am i taking a flip.

phantom_lord

a8 isn't a marginal hand when there's someone open shoving every hand blind.

LuckyLloyd

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