PUAs in Dublin

DubDrummer

hey there,
I've recently got into the PUA scene, well the theory behind it anyway, and was wondering if there are any groups out there that meet regularly to test their skills.... I'd be interested in meeting up and sharing stories and techniques and putting them to the test....

talk soon
D

~facepalm~

fitz0

Right, you're going to have to explain PUA first.

Defenestrate

fitz0 wrote: »

Right, you're going to have to explain PUA first.

It means you have a face like the back of a bus.

Beruthiel

fitz0 wrote: »

Right, you're going to have to explain PUA first.

Google offered Pick up Artists as an option....

Pen1987

Use the search function. This comes up every month. (that should be an indication of how well known it is... to both men and women)


You'd be better off reading some real pyschology books IMO

fitz0

So its just going out on the pull? Id say theres quite a few groups in th ecity do that. I believe they meet every Saturday night.

beerbaron

fitz0 wrote: »

So its just going out on the pull? Id say theres quite a few groups in th ecity do that. I believe they meet every Saturday night.

in Coppers

monkeyfudge

fitz0 wrote: »

So its just going out on the pull? Id say theres quite a few groups in th ecity do that. I believe they meet every Saturday night.

Yep. But these are a very special type of person who have to read a book on how to talk to girls before they can do it.

Gillo

Most other nights also

fitz0

monkeyfudge wrote: »

Yep. But these are a very special type of person who have to read a book on how to talk to girls before they can do it.

o-kay!

in Coppers

Sounds challanging :rolleyes:

Earthhorse

Moonbaby wrote: »

~facepalm~

Is that your fieldname?

Dragan

DubDrummer wrote: »

hey there,
I've recently got into the PUA scene, well the theory behind it anyway, and was wondering if there are any groups out there that meet regularly to test their skills.... I'd be interested in meeting up and sharing stories and techniques and putting them to the test....

talk soon
D

Try talking to people, i find that works.

Also, when you keep needing to refer to the manual it kind of ruins the moment.

"Insert Tab A into Slot B is says....eh, which one is Slot B?"

A_M101

Myself and a friend were outside Coppers after closing one Saturday night and we were approached by a guy who through out the "Just want to ask your opinion girls, I'm out with a friend...." yadda yadda.

Ten minutes later another guy comes up and does the exact same line. Then a guy who'd been standing near-by texting comes out with another line. At this stage all three lads were in stitches and we hadn't a clue what was going on.

Then a fourth came by and I realised they were all doing the PUA thing!

Very funny.

Wibbs

Yep pick up artists. Interesting subject, if for nothing else as a fashion and social movement. Kinda like the "rules" for women a while back. The "secret" and such guff is another one. The internet has really run with this. I suppose as there are likely to be more of a certain type of male involved who want lists and techniques to offset either a real or imagined social handicap with finding women. Reading some of them it's almost like linear press this button and get this reaction.

As a way of understanding women, much less "picking them up", it has serious holes. I can see how it would work in certain contexts, more often than it wouldn't, but those trying it are often so obvious that it's funny to watch.

It also has cultural baggage as it's mostly aimed at an american model, which in many ways is quite a different culture, especially in the dating arena.

tribulus

I think if you search hard enough for lairs online, you'll find a Dublin email, it might not be active though and there's probably easier ways to get in contact with those types of groups.

Interestingly I know two guys who practice this "art".

One guy is well known in certain social circles already because of his father, completely loaded, dresses well and is a good looking guy. Aside from his already high social value he's used just some of the more basic things from the various pua sites and writers to improve his chances even more (he was already relaxed/confident etc.)

The other guy is so into his sarging that he's considering not going back to college! I fail to see how college impacts on his life that much but being a pua consumes him. In contrast to the first guy (they're mates) he's not great looking and wouldn't have the same background or natural confidence of the first guy. Yet he's so focused and well drilled that he has just as much success if not more than the other guy. It's helped him become much more outgoing and confident but I think it can be taken to extremes as well.

It can be really helpful to some people and can go way beyond cheesy openers, negs and some other stuff most people would have read in Neil Strauss' book.

MIN2511

So how do i become a PUA?

fitz0

Send a cheque or postal order worth €125 and SAE to 742 Evergreen Terrace and your "Intruduction to sleaze" book will be shipped in 10-12 working days.

taidghbaby

MIN2511 wrote: »

So how do i become a PUA?

you get it with your HGV license

tribulus

MIN2511 wrote: »

So how do i become a PUA?

Well being female just spread 'em and say "any takers"?

javaboy

MIN2511 wrote: »

So how do i become a PUA?

You just need a rag and an industrial sized drum of Rohypnol tablets.

Oh and you'll need to complete a manual handling course for the actual "picking up". I know I know. All this Health and Safety bull wrecks my head too but them's the rules.

dr.bollocko

I second the facepalm. PUAs? Are you frigging kidding me?
Unless it stands for Phuck Uph A$$hole that is.

MIN2511

fitz0 wrote: »

Send a cheque or postal order worth €125 and SAE to 742 Evergreen Terrace and your "Intruduction to sleaze" book will be shipped in 10-12 working days.

Nice one! Postal order on its way!:pac:

taidghbaby wrote: »

you get it with your HGV license

I can't drive!

tribulus wrote: »

Well being female just spread 'em and say "any takers"?

really:rolleyes:

javaboy wrote: »

You just need a rag and an industrial sized drum of Rohypnol tablets.

Oh and you'll need to complete a manual handling course for the actual "picking up". I know I know. All this Health and Safety bull wrecks my head too but them's the rules.

I don't do manuals... No patience!:(

Wibbs

tribulus wrote: »

It can be really helpful to some people and can go way beyond cheesy openers, negs and some other stuff most people would have read in Neil Strauss' book.

I do think it's interesting in one way. Because it has gotten so popular and blokes are reporting what works and what doesn't on the oul web, it does make for some interesting angles on the psychology of many women in the reproductive arena. I do think that women have quite different reproductive "tactics" than men and the media and received wisdom among men and what women say themselves has gotten a lot of it wrong on the surface at least.

I know a bloke who is a major manslut and has been for years before this became fashionable. He does a lot of what this stuff suggests. he learned it through trial and error. His main thing seems to be to turn the tables completely around with women. He says he never bribes women but rewards them for "good behaviour" as he puts it. He's the one that should be pursued not them etc. I've seen him actually tell them out straight that he just wants a shag and it working. I've seen him pull women with boyfriends too. Boyfriends that they claimed to love all the way to his bedroom door.

The thing is he's so cynical about women now that I fear he'll never find what he's looking for. He fears this himself. He regularly states that he can't trust women. He seems to see them almost as automata that he has figured out how to work for his own ends. I would personally hate to live like that. Of course that's an extreme, but no thanks. Lovely guy too which makes it worse.

Pen1987

I dieing to find one of these 'lairs' and go along just to observe, I'd say its an ODD experience.


Re: Wibbs post... Its all about the trial and error, I'm similar to your friend but not nearly as cynical and I'd hate to get to the stage where I would be worried I'd never find the right person. He probably addicted to attracting women (I think I was in the past, honestly)... he needs to lay off going on the pull for a few months then gradually going back into it... I'd say he's more interested in proving to himself that he 'CAN get THIS girl' rather than actually interested in the girl and her personality. Its a weakness, constant need to validate yourself to yourself.

wylo

I got into the PUA thing myself, and I have to admit it did work, and it did help me take good looking women off their pedestal. But there was definitely something weird about the whole scene. And there was also something sad about particular guys who needed to learn off tricks and conversations just to pull women. But what can I say it worked for them and gave them confidence. The funny thing is whenever I talk to girls about it and explain it in a less creepy way they actually find it interesting and sometimes Ive even scored after talking about it.

There is one guy called the juggler who imo is the best, for the very reason that he is more interested in making someone simply confident with women not from routines or magic tricks but more from just practicing talking to them. i.e. throwing them in the deep end,

I gave it up as I was actually too busy and wasnt interested enough but it definitely helped me take away my feeling that a great looking bird was the be all and end all.

My advice to anyone looking into this: spend more time working on your own self confidence and what they call "inner game" and the rest will take care of itself. You wont need any bullsh1t pick up lines or routines then.

CDfm

you mean its aimed at women that dont drink pints?

can you be sober to do it and can the women have nice tits?

Dave147

I find it kind of interesting, probably more something I'd like to watch for a laugh than do, but ya never know it sounds like something myself and one of my buddies would do for a bit of fun. Not that I have any problem pulling women at the moment! No, Casanova but I do alright as I am..

Purely for the expression on the girls face using a line you know your friend has just used!

LolaLuv

I would love to know more about this, because I think it would be hilarious to go to a club where one of the meetings is going on and lolol at the tactics. No offense, I'm sure you're very successful. :rolleyes:

BraziliaNZ

if it gets them laid more power to them I say

DAEDULUS

takes alot more balls to tell yourself your not getting women/the kind of women you want, and try to do something about it than it is to sod this off as sleazy and comfort yourself in the belief that your just not good looking/wealthy enough to get the type of women you really want...
and the women of boards.. is it not impressive to you that there are men out there trying to better their own lives and make themselves more attractive to you?

Dave147

PillyPen wrote: »

I would love to know more about this, because I think it would be hilarious to go to a club where one of the meetings is going on and lolol at the tactics. No offense, I'm sure you're very successful. :rolleyes:

You're just jealous because they never try and pick you up! :P

Only joking by the way, I'm not that nasty! I think it would be fun to watch and do actually.. I'm a shameless son of a bitch so I'm sure I'd have a laugh I wouldn't make a habit of it or anything, it would get boring very fast for me.

FlutterinBantam

Dragan wrote: »

Try talking to people, i find that works.

Also, when you keep needing to refer to the manual it kind of ruins the moment.

"Insert Tab A into Slot B is says....eh, which one is Slot B?"

Tab A goes into Slot A.

Never mess with Slot B:cool:

Wibbs

Pen1987 wrote: »

Re: Wibbs post... Its all about the trial and error, I'm similar to your friend but not nearly as cynical and I'd hate to get to the stage where I would be worried I'd never find the right person. He probably addicted to attracting women (I think I was in the past, honestly)... he needs to lay off going on the pull for a few months then gradually going back into it... I'd say he's more interested in proving to himself that he 'CAN get THIS girl' rather than actually interested in the girl and her personality. Its a weakness, constant need to validate yourself to yourself.

I probably didn't explain it well. He's not worried about it per se. More resigned than anything. He's in his late 30's and he does want to have kids at some stage, but I think if he could rent a womb he would. He's not doing it so much to prove it to himself either. Of course everybody self validates to one degree or other, but in general he just does it for the legover tm. He likes the novelty of different women I suppose, but he gets bored after at most a few months. TBH I think he just doesn't particularly like women, as people. I've found that to some degree or other is common enough, especially in older blokes.

Heisenberg.

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Collie D

A_M101 wrote: »

Myself and a friend were outside Coppers after closing one Saturday night and we were approached by a guy who through out the "Just want to ask your opinion girls, I'm out with a friend...." yadda yadda.

Ten minutes later another guy comes up and does the exact same line. Then a guy who'd been standing near-by texting comes out with another line. At this stage all three lads were in stitches and we hadn't a clue what was going on.

Then a fourth came by and I realised they were all doing the PUA thing!

Very funny.

Did it never occur to you that these guys saw two girls on their own after closing time oiutside Coppers and thought "Easy, they'll be desperate at this stage"

I get your point though. I'm sure it kind of defeats the puropse if everyone is using the same approach/reading the same manual. I'm sure it all sounds/looks rehearsed.

A_M101

Collie D wrote: »

Did it never occur to you that these guys saw two girls on their own after closing time oiutside Coppers and thought "Easy, they'll be desperate at this stage"

Yeah, of course it did! That's why four different guys came up doing the same jive within a ten minute space.

A_M101

wylo wrote: »

I got into the PUA thing myself, and I have to admit it did work, and it did help me take good looking women off their pedestal.

What pedestal? I think it just teaches men to go up and actually talk to good looking women. I don't think good looking woman are on a pedestal anymore than any other woman and will (generally) talk to a man who just comes up and talks to them (say using the PUA lines), instead of leering at them or coming out with some cheesy chat-up line.

Collie D

A_M101 wrote: »

Yeah, of course it did! That's why four different guys came up doing the same jive within a ten minute space.

Coppers isn't known for it's charming, original men at closing time. If they could talk, walk and had most of their teeth then they were a good catch.

LolaLuv

Dave147 wrote: »

You're just jealous because they never try and pick you up! :P

Only joking by the way, I'm not that nasty! I think it would be fun to watch and do actually.. I'm a shameless son of a bitch so I'm sure I'd have a laugh I wouldn't make a habit of it or anything, it would get boring very fast for me.

Ha, maybe it is jealousy! In all seriousness, I'm sure it's harmless enough and actually helps some men, but it just seems like something that's a little embarrassing to cop to. Like LARPing.

wylo

A_M101 wrote: »

What pedestal? I think it just teaches men to go up and actually talk to good looking women. I don't think good looking woman are on a pedestal anymore than any other woman and will (generally) talk to a man who just comes up and talks to them (say using the PUA lines), instead of leering at them or coming out with some cheesy chat-up line.

I think you might have picked me up wrong. your dead right, good looking women are NOT on a pedestal, but you would be surprised how many lads don't realize this and treat them like gods, which in the end results in making themselves nervous and unattractive.

I think people here have the wrong idea about the whole PUA scene, its just basically classes to give guys more confidence talking to women and helps them stop being too nice and putting women on a pedestal.

If every guy had the kind of confidence that some of these experienced puas have women would not be complaining I guarantee you. The whole idea is that there is no chat up lines , just more routines , but I personally think routines are just as bad. Its that kind of stuff that helped me lose interest in it.

As I said before, if a bloke is having trouble pulling women, im talking about guys with serious problems then they should be looking more into their own self confidence. Fix that and then the rest will look after itself. One of the main things women want in a man is confidence. I guarantee no girl reading this will disagree with me there.

Magpie!

I wouldn't have thought the ability to pull dozens of random women would really be a healthy thing to pin your self confidence on.

Surely developing confidence should be about yourself and how you conduct yourself in your normal social circles rather than creating artificial scenarios where the result is either 'success' or 'fail'?

Going on the pull is a perfectly acceptible and enjoyable passtime but is that the end goal?

wylo

Magpie! wrote: »

I wouldn't have thought the ability to pull dozens of random women would really be a healthy thing to pin your self confidence on.

Surely developing confidence should be about yourself and how you conduct yourself in your normal social circles rather than creating artificial scenarios where the result is either 'success' or 'fail'?

I couldnt agree more and thats why I lost interest in it. Once your confident in yourself youll be better in every situation, job interview, meeting new people, dealing with customers, etc. But no doubt scoring is an added bonus.

petethebrick

Wibbs wrote: »

It also has cultural baggage as it's mostly aimed at an american model, which in many ways is quite a different culture, especially in the dating arena.

Yeah, I reckon it would work better somewhere like the states too. I reckon most Irish girls would tell a lad to f**k off if they got an inkling he was trying out some internet pick-up malarky- unless they fancied him maybe, which takes the point out of the idea in the first place.

thedizzler

I don't agree that PU necessarily builds confidence. In a lot of cases I find the guys just learn the routines, the "canned material", and regurgitate as necessary. Take those rehearsed stories away and they're no more confident than before.
I used to date a PUA. He was actually at the advanced stage, as in the teaching others stage. We went out for a considerable length of time, even got engaged towards the end. But he was the most incredibly jealous guy I've ever met, and it just got worse, not better, as we got more involved. Rationalising jealousy isn't easy, but one of the explanations proferred at the time suggested that jealousy arises because you think something is going to be taken away(your gf) and you're powerless to stop it. If you're powerless to stop it, you must think you're not good enough to fend off the competition, or maybe even not good enough to stay with. It's an explanation that makes a lot of sense to me, because the guy in question had had some bad experience with women in the past. Why did PU not give him more confidence? In the end, regardless of the fact he said he wanted marriage and kids and all that,he couldn't quit PU. It so totally defined him that he couldn't see a life without it. Now I still wonder: was everything he said to me just game, ie a lie? (In which case, what kind of a muppet am I?) Or, is he so consumed by the game, the competition, the act, that he'll never be able to quit, and he'll never gain real confidence either? (In which case, how muppety is PU?)
*Jerry Springer Musack*
(Sorry kids, got a bit PI there for a moment....I know, this is AH! Yore ma!)

Dave147

Magpie! wrote: »

I wouldn't have thought the ability to pull dozens of random women would really be a healthy thing to pin your self confidence on.

Surely developing confidence should be about yourself and how you conduct yourself in your normal social circles rather than creating artificial scenarios where the result is either 'success' or 'fail'?

Going on the pull is a perfectly acceptible and enjoyable passtime but is that the end goal?

No it's not the 'end goal' but you just answered yourself.. Going on the pull is alot of fun, and PUA would (hopefully) make it more fun and interesting, although I can imagine it would get old very fast. And besides with eyebrows like mine, I haven't a hope of pulling...

Notice how I'm perfectly confident despite that handicap.

Magpie!

Dave147 wrote: »

. And besides with eyebrows like mine, I haven't a hope of pulling...

Notice how I'm perfectly confident despite that handicap.

I'm glad you've accepted it. :rolleyes:

CDfm

Dave147 wrote: »

No it's not the 'end goal' but you just answered yourself.. Going on the pull is alot of fun, and PUA would (hopefully) make it more fun and interesting, although I can imagine it would get old very fast. And besides with eyebrows like mine, I haven't a hope of pulling...

Notice how I'm perfectly confident despite that handicap.

ha ha - they eyebrows stay

do you have a healthy respect for hair on others or do you prefer follicle free frollicking?

shane86

Four pages in and I only have a half clue what yer on about. wtf is a PUA (or, exactly how is it different to lamping beers into yourself and trying to get some)

RoosterIllusion

When you read about the americans doing it I have to say it seems weird but besides the flange you end up getting it most likely does work to make you a more confident person. Hopefully that kind of person is not one who thinks they can get any woman they want to sort of look down on other people.

PUA's are angry men, who have either never been laid except for pities sake, or have decided the whole of womanhood deserves to be punished because someone broke their heart.
The mission is to get one over on a woman, while having a happy sexy time. That is the difference.