Moving into the yellow box when lighs ahead are red

j1979p

Consider the following scenario.



This is encountered on the Clonshaugh route. My instructor told me that when lights go green, I (blue car) cannot turn left because the other lights are red. Normally I would but in a test it is a fail.

He said I should move out into the box and wait for the other set of lights to go green, Is this right?

Permabear

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j1979p

Actually, he said just to pull up beside the box, not to enter it. Filter light or not, the other lights will stil be red so you cannot enter the box.

Stark

I'm not following you. Surely the other lights only affect the red car in your picture?

Wishbone Ash

Stark wrote: »

I'm not following you. Surely the other lights only affect the red car in your picture?

+1

SV

Get a different instructor!!

He is competely wrong!


At least we know who's teaching these people to do this :mad:

Easy Rider

Ehhh, so this green light, what is the point of it if you can't move off? Just to turn right?

I see people do this many times....traffic light across from the T junction, in your example directly across from the blue car, goes green, i.e. go left or right....but they turn left and stop for the red light to the left or right, which in your example is across from the other car, most of the time you would not be even able to see this red light, it usually happens when pedestrians are waiting to cross....it confuses people...if you were not meant to go the light would not go green, if either side has pedestrian crossing, then your light and the other cars light directly across will stay red, until the pedestrians light turn back to red....as far as I know....

FlutterinBantam

The reason the box is there imho,is to prevent cars blocking the junction when the lights are green,from the red car's direction,and ensure cars from the blue cars direction can go, when they get the green.

I never heard such rubbish as that.

Stark

ClioV6 wrote:

Get a different instructor!!

He is competely wrong!


At least we know who's teaching these people to do this

Out of curiosity, what junction is it?

Mr E

Thats bizarre... If it was me, I'd say my light is green, so I go !! (And I guarantee if I didn't, I'd have every car behind beeping at me)

SV

Stark wrote: »

Out of curiosity, what junction is it?

Ah, not familiar with this particular one, but anyone from Carlow will vouch for me on a very similar(if not exact one) as this where people do the exact same as the OPs instructor is telling them to do.
Very annoying.

Easy Rider

Happens down near me, northwood park dublin going onto the swords road....no yellow box, but that does not matter really in this example.....another thing people do is the car from the right would just go through a red light at the initial lights, reach the second set (to the left of the blue car) stop at the red....you get the green light, you turn left, they go nowhere as they only see the red light.....you end up beebing them and they think you are in the wrong trying to get them go through a red light.....very annoying...

wil

j1979p wrote: »

Consider the following scenario.



This is encountered on the Clonshaugh route. My instructor told me that when lights go green, I (blue car) cannot turn left because the other lights are red. Normally I would but in a test it is a fail.

He said I should move out into the box and wait for the other set of lights to go green, Is this right?

What other lights?
Are you missing a left filter light here?
The red lights you show are not facing the blue car, how can they possibly be meant to stop the blue car (unless it does a u-turn though the box ending up at red car position:rolleyes:)

If traffic was backed up to the box on the left hand turn for the blue car, then the blue car couldnt turn left into the box on a green light for it.
Is that what you are getting it confused with?

chris85

there must be a filter involved in these set of lights or this is a very bad instructor all together.

J_R

j1979p wrote: »

Consider the following scenario.

He said I should move out into the box and wait for the other set of lights to go green, Is this right?

That is idiotic. Change instructors immediately.

From marking test guidlines - Hazards

Examples of 'React' faults include:

Where an applicant has commenced to turn at traffic lights and stops unnecessarily when part way through, on seeing the red light for the other road.

Wishbone Ash

chris85 wrote: »

there must be a filter involved in these set of lights or this is a very bad instructor all together.

Even if there was a filter light it would be irrelevant as the OP's instructor said that he/she can't go because the lights for the other direction are red.

This type of muppetry seems to be on the increase in the past few years. It also happens regularly at a juction is Swords (Co Dublin) at the junction of Malahide Road with Main Street. Traffic waiting on the Malahide Road get a right directional GREEN arrow to turn onto Main Street. Every now and then the first car almost completes the turn but then stops (at the gate to the Old Boro School) because there is a RED light in front of them!

A few days ago, I was about four cars back when the first driver stopped. There was the usual sounding of horns but she was having none of it and kept pointing to the RED light. A Garda on foot patrol approached her and gestured in no uncertain terms for her to move. She refused but by that time they had changed (for the other direction) to GREEN anyway but the Garda signaled her to pull over nearby presumably to have a word with her.

Is there a batch of instructors out there peddling this nonsense?

Easy Rider

Coming off the clonliffe road coming right into drumcondra, people do the same thing, idiots...

Rowley Birkin QC

I hope I never encounter any of the people "instructed" by these scam artists out on the road.

Situations like this are proof that the new laws regarding learners being accompanied by experienced full license drivers should be enforced.

ztoical

do people seriously do this? how do they get around places like Dublin with traffic lights on nearly ever corner? Seriously if you couldn't turn left until first the lights facing you went green and then the lights on your left went green then only one car would be able to turn left at a time and you'd never get anywhere. Plus if its only one lane of traffic you'd be blocking all the cars behind you intending to go straight on. Its just silly, get a new instructor op.

Alanstrainor

Actually, this is something i've begun to notice recently, people half completing a turn and stopping because of a red light not directed at the driver. OP get a new driving instructor, if this is the advise you're getting then it sounds like a waste of time and money.

SeanW

j1979p wrote: »

Consider the following scenario.



This is encountered on the Clonshaugh route. My instructor told me that when lights go green, I (blue car) cannot turn left because the other lights are red. Normally I would but in a test it is a fail.

He said I should move out into the box and wait for the other set of lights to go green, Is this right?

This is the greatest load of sh1te I have ever heard :mad: The 2nd, left hand side, set of red lights is for the red car in your pic. In any case, you can not stop in a yellow box unless you're turning right and the road you intend to enter is not blocked up.

Change driving instructors immediately.

Wishbone Ash

ztoical wrote: »

how do they get around places like Dublin with traffic lights on nearly ever corner?

I've often wondered that also as presumably they do it at each T- junction they encounter.

And anyway, why do they only seem to do it at T- junctions? Surely their warped principle should also apply at standard crossroads traffic lights yet I've never seen it happen on one of those.


The sad thing about it is that those people probably go home and tell their family/friends that they encountered some rude people today who don't know what a RED light means! :eek:

j1979p

Thanks for the advise guys. Thats what I was thinking. He actually said that people had failed because they did this in the test (i.e. turning left when the lights were green!). He said when u encounter these red lights halfway through turning, you should stop.

Alanstrainor

j1979p wrote: »

Thanks for the advise guys. Thats what I was thinking. He actually said that people had failed because they did this in the test (i.e. turning left when the lights were green!). He said when u encounter these red lights halfway through turning, you should stop.

:eek:
Get a new instructor!

Wishbone Ash

j1979p wrote: »

He said when u encounter these red lights halfway through turning, you should stop.

Mother of sweet divine Jesus! :eek:

Rowley Birkin QC

Do instructors have any kind of professional body that this nonsense could be reported to?

J_R

j1979p wrote: »

Thanks for the advise guys. Thats what I was thinking. He actually said that people had failed because they did this in the test (i.e. turning left when the lights were green!). He said when u encounter these red lights halfway through turning, you should stop.

Is his name in either of the " List of Instructors with Temporary permits" or List of Full permit holders on the RSA web site. ??

SeanW

Wishbone Ash wrote: »

Mother of sweet divine Jesus! :eek:

My thoughts exactly.
And I thought MY first driving instructors were brutal :eek:

j1979p

J_R wrote: »

Is his name in either of the " List of Instructors with Temporary permits" or List of Full permit holders on the RSA web site. ??

Not sure, all I know is that he runs his own little business and he is the only instructor as far as i am aware. Everything else he said seemed to agree with what i know from other sources. Just this one thing I was confused about when he said it (on both my lessons).

wil

j1979p wrote: »

Not sure, all I know is that he runs his own little business and he is the only instructor as far as i am aware. Everything else he said seemed to agree with what i know from other sources. Just this one thing I was confused about when he said it (on both my lessons).

Are you sure he is not just a qualified diving instructor?

Tell him to come on boards (pun unintended) and explain himself to the jury.:pac:

IanCurtis

Jesus christ almighty why do people spend so much time disussing this ****e....a yellow painted box on the road???

Surely you've better things to worry about :rolleyes:

Rowley Birkin QC

I remember an instructor who had previously been a fireman telling me about the kinds of horrific injuries he had seen people receiving from crashes. One particular storey involved a man being in several different places at once following a collision.

Great stuff to tell a L driver about while driving.

IanCurtis

It's just painted marks on a fukking road...who cares??

Why stress about this gick? Concern youself with bigger problems than this garbage.

ztoical

IanCurtis wrote: »

It's just painted marks on a fukking road...who cares??

Why stress about this gick? Concern youself with bigger problems than this garbage.

People stress because you can fail your test for not paying attention to those "painted marks on the road" They are there for a reason you know. You might see this as garbage but this is a serious issue for some people esp if, like in the OP"s case, they are been given the wrong information that could lead to them failing the test. They are paying for the lessons and for the tests itself so why shouldn't they make sure they aren't wasting their money?

Wishbone Ash

IanCurtis wrote: »

Jesus christ almighty why do people spend so much time disussing this ****e....a yellow painted box on the road???

Surely you've better things to worry about :rolleyes:

IanCurtis wrote: »

It's just painted marks on a fukking road...who cares??

Why stress about this gick? Concern youself with bigger problems than this garbage.

If you have nothing constructive to add to the discussion, please feel free to go elsewhere. Infraction given.

adrian522

bigkev49 wrote: »

I hope I never encounter any of the people "instructed" by these scam artists out on the road.

Situations like this are proof that the new laws regarding learners being accompanied by experienced full license drivers should be enforced.

I disagree, I think that situations like this are proof that we need quaified driving instructors...i.e the instructor needs to pass a test to become an instructor not the current free for all. Also what if the accompanying driver was also thought by an incompetent instructor.

Stark

adrian522 wrote:

Also what if the accompanying driver was also thought by an incompetent instructor.

Presumably the accompanying driver would never pass a driving test if he/she drove according to the instructions given to the OP.

Greenmachine

The instruction given to the OP are indeed crazy if they have been reported accurately. Sound like some of the worse advice I have heard.