Reporting illegal work

LegacyUser

Hi,

going unreg for this as a few people know my real name on here.

I work with a girl from a non eea country and she is on a student visa. which doesnt allow her to work more than 20hours. in the job she works with me she has a 40 hour week and she also has 2 part time jobs for other companies one week night and one weekend. she is quite happily exploiting these companies as I know she has told my employer that she quit the other 2 jobs which she told me yesterday shes still doing.

I know it sounds bad to say i want to report her but she doesnt even go to her course so she shouldnt even have the visa. can anyone advise on how to do this.

PS if in wrong thread please move

Wibbs

Probably better in one of the work/employment forums, but see what responses you get here

petethebrick

So basically you're saying she's working a lot of hours and that her visa is meant for her to study- how exactly does that affect you or her employer...so who exactly is she harming? How is she 'exploiting' your employer? Go ahead and report her if you like but expect some bad karma to be heading your way in future I reckon.... No reason for you to be sticking your oar in I reckon^^

Gyalist

I'd be most interested in knowing your true motivation for contemplating reporting her to the authorities.

Jigsaw

Gyalist wrote: »

I'd be most interested in knowing your true motivation for contemplating reporting her to the authorities.

Erm, because she is blatantly ignoring an express stipulation of her STUDENT visa, and she is wasting a place on a course that could have went to someone who really would have wanted to make a go of it?

Burial

Unreg86 wrote: »

Hi,

going unreg for this as a few people know my real name on here.

I work with a girl from a non eea country and she is on a student visa. which doesnt allow her to work more than 20hours. in the job she works with me she has a 40 hour week and she also has 2 part time jobs for other companies one week night and one weekend. she is quite happily exploiting these companies as I know she has told my employer that she quit the other 2 jobs which she told me yesterday shes still doing.

I know it sounds bad to say i want to report her but she doesnt even go to her course so she shouldnt even have the visa. can anyone advise on how to do this.

PS if in wrong thread please move

First off, I don't get why you want to report this girl. It sounds to me she wants to make enough money so when her visa expires she can go back home with alot of money. I think thats fine. As for not attending the course. Hello! She's a student... Welcome to the real world.

Anyway you want advice. Tell your employer she has 2 other jobs and she's working them. He'd progress from there. If thats not good enough for you, contact where she got her visa (Most likely be revoked and from the Department of Immigration/Foreign affaris.) or contact the Department of Enterprise, Trade and Employment

Employment Rights Information Unit,
Room G05,
Davitt House,
65a Adelaide Road,
Dublin 2.
Tel 01 631 3131/ LoCall Number 1890 201 615.
email:erinfo@entemp.ie.
Opening hours: 9.30 am - 5.00 pm (including lunchtime)

kayos

Oh noes someone is not following the rules of their student visa.....Sounds like every irish student that goes away working for the summer!

Now if you said she was also claiming state benifit maybe. Look we all have to earn a living, some do it the honest and above board way, some do it the not so honest way.

If you do report her then its your employer that will be getting in trouble for giving her the hours. And if they figure out who blew the whistle.....

Gyalist

Jigsaw wrote: »

Erm, because she is blatantly ignoring an express stipulation of her STUDENT visa, and she is wasting a place on a course that could have went to someone who really would have wanted to make a go of it?

Is that so? Did you manage to gather all that information from the original question?

mikemac

Jigsaw wrote: »

Erm, because she is blatantly ignoring an express stipulation of her STUDENT visa, and she is wasting a place on a course that could have went to someone who really would have wanted to make a go of it?

Not realy, alot these “English language” schools that they sign up to attend exist only on paper and give a token certificate at the end. There is no requirement to be audited by FETAC (that might by HETAC??).
Getting a student visa is a backdoor way for some but not all of these young people to come work here.

Some minister raised in the Dail, tried to google it but couldn't find it. I certainly can try again if a mod requires me to back this up

Burial

Jigsaw wrote: »

Erm, because she is blatantly ignoring an express stipulation of her STUDENT visa, and she is wasting a place on a course that could have went to someone who really would have wanted to make a go of it?

:eek: Student not attending college! Call the police! :rolleyes:

Honest to God, I tried looking for more info, but there's none. I checked citizen information .ie and the departments page, they all say the same thing about student visas. Nothing. They say nothing on how to squel tell inform them to the right people. Even re-applying for a visa doesn't require you to goto the course for any amount of time. Just to pay your fees...

Duckjob

Unreg86 wrote: »

Hi,

going unreg for this as a few people know my real name on here.

I work with a girl from a non eea country and she is on a student visa. which doesnt allow her to work more than 20hours. in the job she works with me she has a 40 hour week and she also has 2 part time jobs for other companies one week night and one weekend. she is quite happily exploiting these companies as I know she has told my employer that she quit the other 2 jobs which she told me yesterday shes still doing.

I know it sounds bad to say i want to report her but she doesnt even go to her course so she shouldnt even have the visa. can anyone advise on how to do this.

PS if in wrong thread please move

I too would like to know how you reason that she is 'exploiting' the companies she works for.

Your post comes across as petty and nasty. TBH for whatever reason, it sounds like just don't like her. Fair enough, but if you've come here looking for people to justify you deliberately hurting her, I think and hope you'll be disappointed.

In a country where we have thousands of people happy to sit around on their holes and get paid for it, I don't think anybody should be penalised for working as hard as they want.

Karen_*

Its absolutely none of your business. Channell your energy to doing something good.

mikewest

She's working hard and on probably the only visa she can get to come into the country. Leave her alone ffs, she is the type of person we need in this country not the moaning, begrudging ****s who wouldn't work even when things were booming. So what, she is holding down three jobs and that makes you want to report her :eek:
Yes she is not here 100% legal but she is a hell of a lot more legal than many Irish who worked three jobs in America in the 80's and 90's. Go find someone who is a real problem for Irish society to complain about.

SpookyDoll

I just dont understand why you would go out of your way to fook someone over like that for no good reason, get a life OP, you obviously have too much time on your hands.

Oh and remember what goes around comes around, if you fook someone over just cos you can, someday someone will do the same to you.

MIN2511

Op, during the summer and on holidays a non ee student can work up to 40 hrs.
If it's during the term and if its not part of her course ie work placement then she's violating rules of her visa.

buckieburd

OP get a grip, have you nothing else to be worring about?

Joseph Kuhr

Jigsaw wrote: »

Erm, because she is blatantly ignoring an express stipulation of her STUDENT visa, and she is wasting a place on a course that could have went to someone who really would have wanted to make a go of it?

Who's exploiting who here? Do you think anyone would willingly work 3 jobs? Maybe report your employer for exploitation.

craichoe

Unreg86 wrote: »

Hi,

going unreg for this as a few people know my real name on here.

I work with a girl from a non eea country and she is on a student visa. which doesnt allow her to work more than 20hours. in the job she works with me she has a 40 hour week and she also has 2 part time jobs for other companies one week night and one weekend. she is quite happily exploiting these companies as I know she has told my employer that she quit the other 2 jobs which she told me yesterday shes still doing.

I know it sounds bad to say i want to report her but she doesnt even go to her course so she shouldnt even have the visa. can anyone advise on how to do this.

PS if in wrong thread please move

Exploiting .. her ... employer ... these the best one i've heard in a while.

If shes working then fair play to her, its more then i can say for alot of the layabouts i've seen in Ireland. Can't/Won't get a job etc.

hussey

Unreg86 wrote: »

Hi,

going unreg for this as a few people know my real name on here.

I work with a girl from a non eea country and she is on a student visa. which doesnt allow her to work more than 20hours. in the job she works with me she has a 40 hour week and she also has 2 part time jobs for other companies one week night and one weekend. she is quite happily exploiting these companies as I know she has told my employer that she quit the other 2 jobs which she told me yesterday shes still doing.

I know it sounds bad to say i want to report her but she doesnt even go to her course so she shouldnt even have the visa. can anyone advise on how to do this.

PS if in wrong thread please move

Build a bridge and get over it, I am sure you know at least 5 people who went to Oz and worked cash in hand and I bet you didn't report them, if she has all these jobs (and I am guessing low pay) she needs the money.
A foreign worker who works and now people are complaining .. :rolleyes:

LegacyUser

im the OP here

I say she is exploiting her employer because if/when she gets found out they will get in trouble with the law as well. Probabely more so than the other companies cause they hired her after she said she left them so thought this would be the only job. Her term has started again so she should have already dropped the hours but hasnt.

the course shes signed up for is actually a high demand one so she is talking someone who wants it who will actually goes place.

maybe i do have to much time on my hands to be reporting something illegal which in my opinon is not right. Im only considering it I havent actually said im going to.

Karen_*

I don't know why its bothering you so much to be honest. None of it affects or concerns you. If you're that worried and concerned about other people then go join the Niall Mellon Township or Trocaire or something.

buckieburd

This girl is obviously speaking to you in confidence since you know so much about her course/working situation, and you are going to use it against her and grass her in? What is your real motivation for doing this? Is she getting more hours than you in work?

I find this really petty, live and let live. If you grass I hope it haunts you forever...

MIN2511

Unreg86 wrote: »

im the OP here

I say she is exploiting her employer because if/when she gets found out they will get in trouble with the law as well. Probabely more so than the other companies cause they hired her after she said she left them so thought this would be the only job. Her term has started again so she should have already dropped the hours but hasnt.

the course shes signed up for is actually a high demand one so she is talking someone who wants it who will actually goes place.

maybe i do have to much time on my hands to be reporting something illegal which in my opinon is not right. Im only considering it I havent actually said im going to.

I think people are taking this a little OTT. Am not saying he should report her considering she's working and paying her taxes(we hope) but there are limitations...

Can you live with yourself after reporting her? If yes then fire away....
It's the guilt of ruining the girls "future" i would be worried about, if she's reported she would be
1. Visa revoked, College fees lost and degree/cert lost
2. Deported back home, and depending on the officer working on this case all the "money" she worked for would be confisticated.

board om

I cant believe you would actually do this to her. as another poster said, she obviously spoke to you in confidence and trusts you so for you to turn around and do that to her is disgraceful. just leave her alone. she isnt interfering in your business so show her the same respect. if she starts trying to claim benefits illegally then you might have reason to say something but at the moment she is working harder and doing more hours than some people who are actually from this country and are supposed to be working. so just leave her be and concentrate on your own life. you must have very little going on in your own life if this is all you have to be worrying about.

i worked with a guy a few years ago who was deported from australia for working illegally. it was back in the days when there was no work in ireland and no future here. so he went to australia and got a good job there and set up a nice life for himself. he stayed past his visa so he was eventually working illegally. in fact his father died while he was there and he couldnt even come home for the fineral becuase he wouldnt have been able to get back into australia once he left, so he had to miss the funeral. but then some idiot he worked with decided to rat him out for no reason other than he couldnt mind his own business and the guy got deported. not a very nice experience at all. so it isnt a nice thing to do to someone.

and just remember, what goes around comes around. nothing good will come from it.

STUBBORNGIRL

Op - What is there to gain from you reporting this girl? She is doing you no harm at all! i know people like you - Jealousy is the word i would use - well correct me if im wrong but i cant think of any other reason why you would want to get this girl into trouble!

Leave well enough alone because you can be sure Karma will bite you in the ass twice as hard for your interference

Have a nice day and i hope you continue to live such a perfect life!

Gyalist

Unreg86 wrote: »

im the OP here

I say she is exploiting her employer because if/when she gets found out they will get in trouble with the law as well. Probabely more so than the other companies cause they hired her after she said she left them so thought this would be the only job. Her term has started again so she should have already dropped the hours but hasnt.

the course shes signed up for is actually a high demand one so she is talking someone who wants it who will actually goes place.

maybe i do have to much time on my hands to be reporting something illegal which in my opinon is not right. Im only considering it I havent actually said im going to.

I asked you a question upthread: what is your true motivation for considering reporting her? I doubt that you are looking out for her employer's interest.

She has obviously told you, or you have acquired some sensitive information. What is your real motivation? Is she an ex?

neuro-praxis

OP, if you really feel that your conscience demands that you report her, then by all means, destroy her life as she currently knows it, based on your conscience. :rolleyes:

Why not worry about reaching the pinnacle of moral perfection yourself? I am quite certain you have a little work to do yet. If I were you, I'd start with your attitude.

sinnerboy

Leave the girl alone . She sounds like an asset to whatever place she happens be . Should be Ireland

Beruthiel

Unreg86 wrote: »

I say she is exploiting her employer because if/when she gets found out they will get in trouble with the law as well.

That's bullsh!t OP.
It is up to an employer to make sure they are employing someone legally.
If they haven't bothered to do that, it's because they don't want to. She's probably being paid crap money and everyones happy. She gets to have a job and her employer gets to pay her crap money because she will never complain.

Her term has started again so she should have already dropped the hours but hasnt.

You don't like her, do you?

humanji

OP, I'd say that you should think about what you're thinking of doing. Does the girls working 3 jobs affect you at all? If it doesn't, then there's no reason to report her. If she gets caught, she gets caught. Your company may get a slap on the wrist, and life will go on. Except for the girl who will probably be deported.

As you say, she's taking a place on a course and not meant to work so much, but she may have to work these jobs. There could be reasons she's not telling you about. Not many people would work 3 jobs just for the fun of it.

Personally, I think you're right to consider reporting her. Everyone else here seems to have no problem with crimes, for some reason. I just think in this case there's more to it than you know and you should just leave it be.

Morlar

Unreg86 wrote: »

..... on a student visa. which doesnt allow her to work more than 20hours. in the job she works with me she has a 40 hour week and she also has 2 part time jobs for other companies

I agree you should report her - she is deliberately & knowingly abusing the system and also removing a funded place from someone who could actually use it.

SpookyDoll

"I say she is exploiting her employer because if/when she gets found out they will get in trouble with the law as well"

Sorry but that is a pi$$ weak, lame assed reason OP...

Do you honestly expect anyone to believe you are so consumed by a righteous, burning, passion against this hypothetical "injustice" that "could" be done to some employer (all of which would be caused by your ratting in the first place) that you are contemplating this mean spirited, spiteful action....oh please.....:rolleyes:

It sounds to me that this girl has inadvertently disgruntled you in some way and you are wreaking your extremely petty revenge.

I just dont buy your explanation, AT. ALL.

Morlar

SpookyDoll wrote: »

(all of which would be caused by your ratting in the first place) that you are contemplating this mean spirited, spiteful action....oh please.....:rolleyes.

If it were an Irish person who had removed a funded college place from another Irish person who worked hard to get it and then didnt bother showing up as it was just part of a scam to rip off Irish taxpayers would you be so full of venom and self righteous ?

Or is the motivating factor in the venomous responses here the fact that its a non EU person that the pc masses should rush to protect ? I cant remember seeing so much crap being thrown at someone on here for looking to follow the rules and their conscience.

Gyalist

Morlar wrote: »

I agree you should report her - she is deliberately & knowingly abusing the system and also removing a funded place from someone who could actually use it.

Where did the OP say that it was a funded college place?

LegacyUser

she has not offended me or annoyed me.

also she did not tell me about these other jobs in confidence as she will quite openly discuss it as soon as any manager leaves the room. My motivation for thinking about reporting her is that she is breaking the law. And I dont think thats right. Maybe be if I do it and she gets deported i will get bad karma...

but the same could be said for her shes breaking the law so if she gets deported it karma coming back to her aswell.

No my employers not paying her less so thats not why she was hired. I am also not jealous that shes getting more hours as i work in a different team and get paid more than her anyway.

Morlar

Gyalist wrote: »

Where did the OP say that it was a funded college place?

She didnt now that I check - maybe the OP can clarify. Which begs the question do you think this person paid in order to not attend college ?

Funded or not she is removing the place from someone who could other wise use it and abusing the system.

SpookyDoll

Morlar wrote: »

If it were an Irish person who had removed a funded college place from another Irish person who worked hard to get it and then didnt bother showing up as it was just part of a scam to rip off Irish taxpayers would you be so full of venom and self righteous ?

Or is the motivating factor in the venomous responses here the fact that its a non EU person that the pc masses should rush to protect ? I cant remember seeing so much crap being thrown at someone on here for looking to follow the rules and their conscience.

The motivating factor in the responses is simply this:

WHY would someone go out of their way to hurt someone else who is doing them no harm?

Simple as, life is not black and white, if you were to go around reporting every technical "wrong" you saw, well you would just be a nasty, mean hearted busybody and achieve nothing.

LegacyUser

I think OP is right to be concerned about it i mean it sounds like the "student" in question is breaking the law, you go to a college to study and better yourself so if shes not going shes taking up a place that a student who would be attending the course couldve had, as for the 3 jobs the gov set the hours of work at 20 hours a week for students so both students and employers dont take advantage - this girl is taking advantage of the system. Everyone seems to be telling OP what comes around goes around for her but in my opinion its more so on the student. I mean everyone is saying leave the student alone since when was it ok to break the law.

Morlar

SpookyDoll wrote: »

The motivating factor in the responses is simply this:

WHY would someone go out of their way to hurt someone else who is doing them no harm?

By your selective logic unless a criminal commits a crime directly against you personally we should just have a free for all ?

Sorry but I dont agree with your take on that.

Lone Stone

There is a guy in my course from Bulgaria he works 3 jobs comes in completely exhausted and tries to do the work it doesnt effect me or anyone else he falls behind but he has to work those jobs as he has rent to pay he doesnt have a family to live with or take care of his needs he doesnt have any friends to live with he has to pay for rent a place and pay his own bills and pay for food and pay course fee's so he works his ass off and studys and tries to catch up he tries .

Op get a life and leave the girl alone people like you make me sick.:mad:

Morlar

Lone Stone wrote: »

There is a guy in my course from Bulgaria he works 3 jobs comes in completely exhausted and tries to do the work it doesnt effect me or anyone else he falls behind but he has to work those jobs as he has rent to pay he doesnt have a family to live with or take care of his needs he doesnt have any friends to live with he has to pay for rent a place and pay his own bills and pay for food and pay course fee's so he works his ass off and studys and tries to catch up he tries .

Op get a life and leave the girl alone people like you make me sick.:mad:

The difference is he is attending his course. That is a deciding difference in comparing these 2 scenarios in my view.

SpookyDoll

Morlar wrote: »

By your selective logic unless a criminal commits a crime directly against you personally we should just have a free for all ?

Sorry but I dont agree with your take on that.

Almost correct.

I see that you disagree, but I am not going to change my mind.
I think this petty, zero tolerance, letter of the law attitude STINKS.

I dont know about the college place, my remarks so far have been based on the employment issue which was the title of the thread.

Oh and by the way, all human logic is selective and subjective.

Lone Stone

Well he doesnt really come in much either but neither did 13/20 people that were originally in the class show up after taken a place. Simple fact is people need money to live in this country it isnt cheap it most definitly isnt cheaper if your trying to live here when your from another country with no one to help support you.

ghostchant

SpookyDoll wrote: »

The motivating factor in the responses is simply this:

WHY would someone go out of their way to hurt someone else who is doing them no harm?

Simple as, life is not black and white, if you were to go around reporting every technical "wrong" you saw, well you would just be a nasty, mean hearted busybody and achieve nothing.

Fair point, but how big does the 'wrong' have to be for you to report it?

Morlar

ghostchant wrote: »

Fair point, but how big does the 'wrong' have to be for you to report it?

The other question would be who are you (spookyd) to decide how big the wrong should be before somone else reports it.

LegacyUser

Lone Stone wrote: »

There is a guy in my course from Bulgaria he works 3 jobs comes in completely exhausted and tries to do the work it doesnt effect me or anyone else he falls behind but he has to work those jobs as he has rent to pay he doesnt have a family to live with or take care of his needs he doesnt have any friends to live with he has to pay for rent a place and pay his own bills and pay for food and pay course fee's so he works his ass off and studys and tries to catch up he tries .

Im not getting into her spending but this is not the case with this girl . If it was the case that she was struggling and really needed to do it then yes that entirely different. But it isnt.

Big Knox

I hope to god some day you get screwed by the system and somone reports you. What is your REAL motivation for this??

People like you are the scourge of the earth, you disgust me!!

Mr. Presentable

Is the subject of the OP doing something illegal? I don't know.

If they are then they should be reported.

Not everybody would report them - it is up to the morals of the individual. The OP asked for an opinion on something bothering them - not for a judgment on their moral beliefs.

Spike440

humanji wrote: »

Everyone else here seems to have no problem with crimes, for some reason.

It isn't a crime, it's a breach of an immigration condition. There's a big difference.

The 20-hr max working limit is flagrantly disregarded. There's no harm done here and the employer isn't going to face any repercussions, especially if she has told the employer she doesn't have any other jobs.


OP I have to agree with the majority of posters here: don't do anything. I can't understand what your motivation might be to land somebody in a position where they could lose their job, course and residence in Ireland.

ghostchant

Big Knox wrote: »

I hope to god some day you get screwed by the system and somone reports you. What is your REAL motivation for this??

People like you are the scourge of the earth, you disgust me!!

In fairness there's far worse out there than people who report others for breaking the rules..I'm not saying it's the nicest thing to do to someone else but it's not like he's contemplating selling drugs or something.

SpookyDoll

Morlar wrote: »

The other question would be who are you (spookyd) to decide how big the wrong should be before somone else reports it.

I am not "deciding" anything Morlar......I am just giving my opinion, I am not getting sucked into an argument about degree as it would be endless and pointless.