how do you IKC register a dog

stevoman

is it possible if you have bought a pure bred dod and it has no papers is there a way of registering the dog with the IKC, if you want to start your own line in the future?

carwash_2006

Nope. You gotta have papers and only the breeders can register the pups.

What is the situation you are thinking of, before I decide whether I will bash you for wanting to breed when you don't know the answer to things like that already :pac:

stevoman

carwash_2006 wrote: »

Nope. You gotta have papers and only the breeders can register the pups.

What is the situation you are thinking of, before I decide whether I will bash you for wanting to breed when you don't know the answer to things like that already :pac:

Yes but how do breeders become IKC breeders? Do they not have to start off somewhere? That seems like the bouncer in the nightclub syndrome, telling people its regulars only, but how are you supposed to become a regular if your not allowed in, in the first place?

Its not a question of wanting to breed its a question that i will be breeding eventually and i would prefer my dogs to have papers rather than not have papers, so as i can have a nice line that hopefully i can continue for years. Thats why i am looking into trying to get invovled with the IKC.

Our man in Havana

Infraction issued for personal abuse. Posts deleted.

This forum is not a platform for moral issues. There is a forum for that sort of thing it is called humanities. This also applies to the spay and neuter brigade. Whilst I believe that spaying and neutering is a good thing I don't think people should be berated for not spaying and neutering. It is their choice. I am tired of people using this forum as a soapbox for their moralistic views.

The OP came here for advice, he asked a question. People should answer his question and not come back with a moral lecture on why should he be breeding dogs.

stevoman

KhuntChops wrote: »

Well if you had off been more clear with your reasons for breeding perhaps this issue wouldnt have came about,im not just saying this only now because off your rant but I can understand your reasons for wanting to produce a litter now after you explained it,I do apologise for more or less saying you were a moran as most people that come on here asking about breeding turn out to be and I do believe I did answer you question about registering your dog to some degree ...Report away

apolagie excepted.

anniehoo

Bond-007 wrote: »

The OP came here for advice, he asked a question. People should answer his question and not come back with a moral lecture on why should he be breeding dogs.

Well done! I read Khuntchops response with my mouth open! This kind of response will stop people asking questions at all for fear of getting slated! The phrase "theres no such thing as a stupid question if you dont know the answer" springs to mind!

stevoman

now back to my original issue does anyone know or his involved with the IKC so i can get some light shed on how i may get her registered and what test/scoring must be carried out before this is done. the IKC website is very vague.

anniehoo

Stevoman...basically unless your dog was provided with papers when you got him you cant do it. The mother and father of the pup need to be IKC registered in order to get these papers. If they are then you need to return to the person you got the dog from and ask them, no papers no registration simple as! Otherwise you'd have every randomer turning up with their dog asking them to be registered when realistically they have no idea of their genetic descendancy!

stevoman

anniehoo wrote: »

Stevoman...basically unless your dog was provided with papers when you got him you cant do it. The mother and father of the pup need to be IKC registered in order to get these papers. If they are then you need to return to the person you got the dog from and ask them, no papers no registration simple as! Otherwise you'd have every randomer turning up with their dog asking them to be registered when realistically they have no idea of their genetic descendancy!

Damn. Its such a pity as she has such potential. Nonetheless i will prob put her into pup next summer using a great field trialling/working gundog anyways. If the sire is an IKC registered dog would the litter have any standing to be registered i wonder?

anniehoo

stevoman wrote: »

If the sire is an IKC registered dog would the litter have any standing to be registered i wonder?

Again..no! Sure imagine if you wanted to buy a pup and you had no clue where the Dam (mother) came from! The whole point of IKC registering is so you can see the entire family tree of your animal..wouldnt look very good if all you had was the sires side and a total blank on the mothers!

Our man in Havana

Not unless the mother is also registered.

stevoman

mmm - it seems a little unfair to people and dogs who are willing to go through the rounds and scoring tests and wish to get involved in trialling though isnt it. I was told before though that within some circles of the IKC high levels of snobbery can exist.

anniehoo

stevoman wrote: »

mmm - it seems a little unfair to people and dogs who are willing to go through the rounds and scoring tests and wish to get involved in trialling though isnt it.

Not really tbh! There really isnt anything stopping you from breeding from your dog regardless of whether you have IKC status or not. Yes, you will find them harder to get homes for but if you have strong and healthy pups, regardless of whether theyre registered or not this wont make a difference to whether theyll be decent field dogs..

Just remember if you breed from a random gun dog you will have no idea of its history also..so unwittingly you may be passing on any kind of genetic disease too to your pups...almost as bad as inbreeding pedigrees tbh!

whitser

just keep your own line and records. if your dogs will all be workers and passed on as workers no need to reg them.

stevoman

whitser wrote: »

just keep your own line and records. if your dogs will all be workers and passed on as workers no need to reg them.

good idea whitser. hows your workers doing these days? i best keep an ear to the ground so for this year and find out who's dogs have been running well and get in touch with them for next summer.

whitser

doing grand. just breed the best with the best and your lines will develop and look after them selves. my workers are grand.didnt win any ribbons at the shows this summer though,ugly gits:D

stevoman

whitser wrote: »

doing grand. just breed the best with the best and your lines will develop and look after them selves. my workers are grand.didnt win any ribbons at the shows this summer though,ugly gits:D

LOL, its how they perform is what counts. Im gonna take my bitch to the country fair this year and let her have a mooch around and check out the trialling contests. I might even let her have a run. Im ragin i groomed her now though as she would look fantastic with her fan tail and lond strands on the backs of her legs and her flowing coat. but on the upside she doesnt matt from beating through the bogs anymore!

whitser

stevoman wrote: »

good idea whitser. hows your workers doing these days? i best keep an ear to the ground so for this year and find out who's dogs have been running well and get in touch with them for next summer.

when you do look for a stud, go to a lad that works his dogs hard and often. genuine men who's dogs are there to hunt. dont be fooled by trial winners, an hour run in a trial is no match for a full days work.

stevoman

whitser wrote: »

when you do look for a stud, go to a lad that works his dogs hard and often. genuine men who's dogs are there to hunt. dont be fooled by trial winners, an hour run in a trial is no match for a full days work.

very true. there's a few good local men that have a few dingers of llewellins so i'l get in touch with them so i will after the season.

carwash_2006

If you are breeding working dogs they really don't need to be IKC registered. The Kennel Club's idea of working dogs for the most part would not manage an hours hunting let alone a day. Your proper working dogs who can do the job the breed was designed to do probably wouldn't do that great in the show ring.

If you are hunting your dog and in contact with other hunters you will have no problem finding homes for the pups.

stevoman

carwash_2006 wrote: »

If you are breeding working dogs they really don't need to be IKC registered. The Kennel Club's idea of working dogs for the most part would not manage an hours hunting let alone a day. Your proper working dogs who can do the job the breed was designed to do probably wouldn't do that great in the show ring.

its not the show ring, its trying to get your dog invovled in a field trial if i so wished. thats's a issue as a lot of triallers wont entertain you without papers.

carwash_2006

Ah. That's a bit of a pain. I don't understand that, what do papers have to do with whether a dog can perform at working trials? Sounds like someone somewhere spotted a cash cow.

whitser

all nonsense really. trialling and working are two different games imo. stick to walking the bogs with your un-reg'd setter stevo. you'll be happier for it;)

stevoman

whitser wrote: »

all nonsense really. trialling and working are two different games imo. stick to walking the bogs with your un-reg'd setter stevo. you'll be happier for it;)

i'l give you a shout and take you out for a few snipe some day when she's ready to show off whitser. you'd appreciate the miles of heathers!

gemmag7589

does the dog have to be a pure breed to ikc it ??? xxxxx

Our man in Havana

Yes.

andreac

gemmag7589 wrote: »

does the dog have to be a pure breed to ikc it ??? xxxxx

Yes and both parents must be registered with the IKC too.

gemmag7589

andreac wrote: »

Yes and both parents must be registered with the IKC too.

awh is there any were that i can register my dog ? x

tk123

OP how comes you didn't get papers? Is it a case where you've only gotten the pup and the breeder hasn't sent them to you (ours took weeks to come) or is there no papers at all - maybe they've bred too many litters?

ISDW

gemmag7589 wrote: »

does the dog have to be a pure breed to ikc it ??? xxxxx

It all depends what register you want the dog to go on. There is an agility and working register I believe, that you can register the dog on, they don't have to be purebreed. But that is different to having pedigree dogs with papers and proof of ancestry.

andreac

gemmag7589 wrote: »

awh is there any were that i can register my dog ? x

Can i ask why you want the dog registered and why it wasnt already registered? What breed is it and do you know if the parents were registered?
Do you still keep in touch with the breeder as they could organise it for you if thats possible.

Oh is it a pedigree or cross breed? if its a cross breed i think you can only register it for agility as far as i know.

cianer

ISDW wrote: »

It all depends what register you want the dog to go on. There is an agility and working register I believe, that you can register the dog on, they don't have to be purebreed. But that is different to having pedigree dogs with papers and proof of ancestry.

There is a register for agility dogs - kind of. Your dog has to have a licence from the IKC to compete in IKC affiliated shows, the licence doesn't have any lineage history so you can register cross breeds. It's mainly to track number of wins so the dog can be moved up in the classes

gemmag7589

ISDW wrote: »

It all depends what register you want the dog to go on. There is an agility and working register I believe, that you can register the dog on, they don't have to be purebreed. But that is different to having pedigree dogs with papers and proof of ancestry.

im just waiting on my dogs papers she is a great dane and half rottweiler she is mostly dane though could you please tell me how to register her xx

Our man in Havana

You can't.

FAYESY

gemmag7589 wrote: »

im just waiting on my dogs papers she is a great dane and half rottweiler she is mostly dane though could you please tell me how to register her xx

You can not register mutts! That is what your dog is considered to be! The whole charging a fortune for so called designer dogs is a scam! These animals are not a recognised breed - so you can not register her - sorry!

ISDW

gemmag7589 wrote: »

im just waiting on my dogs papers she is a great dane and half rottweiler she is mostly dane though could you please tell me how to register her xx

If your dog has papers, then she's registered, thats what having papers means, the dog is registered with the IKC and the papers are to prove that. However, as she's a cross, then theres no way she's going to have papers. Where are the papers alledgedly coming from?

andreac

gemmag7589 wrote: »

im just waiting on my dogs papers she is a great dane and half rottweiler she is mostly dane though could you please tell me how to register her xx

Sorry but you cannot register your dog if she is a cross breed, i sincerely hope for your sake you havent paid big money for this dog and told that shes coming with papers as you will be left waiting as you cannot register cross breeds with the IKC.

Magenta

andreac wrote: »

Sorry but you cannot register your dog if she is a cross breed, i sincerely hope for your sake you havent paid big money for this dog and told that shes coming with papers as you will be left waiting as you cannot register cross breeds with the IKC.

Buyer beware

ha-ya-said-what

Also all dogs must be micro chipped now before they can be registered, I see a lot of people this year trying to sell pups claiming they are IKC reg, they have no micro chip & they claim "I am awaiting return of certificates from the IKC, I will post them to you after they arrive"

I know a couple of ppl who have been tricked by that scam, all IKC certs have to be signed by the previous owner to transfer ownership to you, therefore you get the cert with the dog, not a fob off story of the cert being posted to you.

lrushe

No pup should be sold before eight weeks and eight weeks is plenty of time to register a litter, there is no reason why a pup should come without papers on the day of purchase unless there is something dodgy going on.

Sigma Force

Not sure about that the IKC took months to register our pup and still haven't got the papers just an e-mail confirming he's finally registered. Took approx. 4months for them for the papers to go through. So if that's the general norm then pups would have to be regd. at birth and not sold until they are 16 weeks at the very least.

And most people get their pups at 8 weeks so they'd still be waiting for two months even if they were regd. at birth.

Our man in Havana

The point being lost here is that mutts cannot be registered full stop.

andreac

Guineapigrescue wrote: »

Not sure about that the IKC took months to register our pup and still haven't got the papers just an e-mail confirming he's finally registered. Took approx. 4months for them for the papers to go through. So if that's the general norm then pups would have to be regd. at birth and not sold until they are 16 weeks at the very least.

And most people get their pups at 8 weeks so they'd still be waiting for two months even if they were regd. at birth.

They can get delayed but most time they are done pretty quick so you shouldnt be waiting for the papers unless there was a mistake or something done wrong with the registration.

Who did you get the email from? was it the ikc or the breeder as it really shouldnt take that long.

Sigma Force

Had contacted the ikc a while ago to see what the story was and didn't get a reply, then they finally e-mailed me and so did the breeder to say it was sorted.
Still waiting for them to post the actual papers down. Have the cert with his bloodline on it etc. but no sign of papers yet.

So much for doing everything by the book and researching like mad and choosing as wisely as is humanley possible sometimes people just let you down no matter how genuine.

andreac

Ah thats ok then. I know they were majorly behind with everything during the summer after the big Euro Winners show that was on, but they should be back on track now.
Sometimes if theres a mistake with a name etc it can take a while and delay it.

star-pants

Similar happened me, got pup at 9weeks, nearly 2months later no papers in the post, I asked her again for them and she apologised, she'd had some stuff going on and hadn't posted them off yet. So she posted them to me, and I then filled the rest in and posted it to IKC for change of ownership. Got em back fairly quick.

lrushe

Guineapigrescue wrote: »

Not sure about that the IKC took months to register our pup and still haven't got the papers just an e-mail confirming he's finally registered. Took approx. 4months for them for the papers to go through. So if that's the general norm then pups would have to be regd. at birth and not sold until they are 16 weeks at the very least.

And most people get their pups at 8 weeks so they'd still be waiting for two months even if they were regd. at birth.

Really? I've never heard of papers taking that long, I've always gotten mine on the day of purchase with the back signed so I just have to change the dog into my name. Have to say if I was dealing with someone who didn't have the papers ready on the day of purchase and I didn't know the breeder personally I wouldn't purchase the pup, I just wouldn't take the chance on it being a scam, I'm sure there will always be the exception to the rule but I just wouldn't take the chance.

Paul91

star-pants wrote: »

Similar happened me, got pup at 9weeks, nearly 2months later no papers in the post, I asked her again for them and she apologised, she'd had some stuff going on and hadn't posted them off yet. So she posted them to me, and I then filled the rest in and posted it to IKC for change of ownership. Got em back fairly quick.

maybe a silly question - but never owned a pedigree dog - how do you know if the papers given are for the puppy/dog you bought? Especially if you get them 2 months after, is it possible that the breeder could use one set of papers for all puppies, i.e. only register one or two pups and just use those papers for all the other pups?

from what you say you post the papers back to IKC - so I guess this is inplausable, do you get papers back?

star-pants

Yes you get the papers back. They register their litter/or whichever puppies and get papers and names /dob etc. The IKC send it to them, they sign it and post it on to you, you fill in the rest & post back to IKC with the fee. You then get the new papers back, with the breeders details and your ownership on them.
They can't use them for multiple puppies as they go through the IKC.

Rosie13

I got my dog in June and am still awaiting the papers from the breeder. contacted the IKC about it but they couldnt give me any info as I didnt have reciept , method of payment etc..

The breeder says its a delay with the IKC.

Im going to ring her again soon now to see what she says.

Any advice PLEASE???????

star-pants

Rosie13 wrote: »

Im going to ring her again soon now to see what she says.

Any advice PLEASE???????

Well can the IKC tell you if she's registered with them herself even?

I would keep on to the breeder, that's a long time for papers. My breeder forgot to post mine for about 6wks, but she was apologetic and did say they were sitting in her office, but sent them off and I wasn't waiting too long at all.