Laptops... and such.

Brian

Could anyone tell me what sort of software we'll be using in the Engineering course? I'm looking at getting an EEE 1000H Netbook for college, since it's small and cheap, but if we need to be able to run some heavy software then I doubt it'd be up to it. Any tips appreciated.




Aside: I'm going to try my damnedest to put OSX on it too.

captainzapp

you'll want to get microsoft visual studio for programming in second year (which is free). i didn't have any sort of programme on my laptop for comp sci in first year, i know a few guys did download some free software to do the labs in advance but i can't remember specifically what they used. otherwise... just the basics like adobe viewer, and some form of an unzipping software. and if you're on the college network you'll have to get either norton or mcafee antivirus but that's also given out for free. actually when i moved in to halls i had to upgrade to microsoft xp professional (i was using the home version) to connect to the college network. that was annoying... ive completely gone off the topic though, you wanted to know engineering specific ones.

ianmull

Congrats on getting engineering!

The software we used in 1st year was harmless stuff altogether your notebook should handle it without any bother. The heaviest we used was probably AutoCAD which is available on the college pcs in the labs anyway and you can use it whenever (though you'll only use CAD the once anyway)
The rest of the software we used was available on all the college pcs so you don't necessarily have to get them for your notebook!
If you do want to get em, most you could get a freeware substitute, your notebooks spec seems grand to handle it.

Hope this helps!
Good luck with the course, its great craic!

Brian

Hmm.. apparently the EEE runs Visio, but it's Windows only so I'd have to dual boot. That's a shame.

Thanks to you both. I guess if I need to do any really power-consuming stuff I can use a lab computer.

Boston

You in no way have to use visio. Infact when I was doing my undergrad only the completely inept used visio studio. If you're running linux, program in linux. You'll be way a head of the game and might actually learn how to code properly instead of using the bloated pos that is visio studio.

It may, repeat may be handy to have autocad, but I wouldn't worry about it. By the time you need autocad on a pc (third year) you'll probably be replacing the one you're going to buy now.

All I can say is don't buy a laptop now. Wait until you're in college and see if you need a laptop and if so what type of laptop. Forget using it in lectures to take note, I've never seen that work for anyone, its just a distraction. So you might find your laptop spends most of its time at home and as such you'd probably be better off geting a nice desktop machine. Also keep in might that you'll have access to computer rooms not available to the rest of college.

Brian

Boston wrote: »

All I can say is don't buy a laptop now. Wait until you're in college and see if you need a laptop and if so what type of laptop. Forget using it in lectures to take note, I've never seen that work for anyone, its just a distraction. So you might find your laptop spends most of its time at home and as such you'd probably be better off geting a nice desktop machine. Also keep in might that you'll have access to computer rooms not available to the rest of college.

I wasn't really planning on having it as part of the course, really, it just seems like a handy excuse to buy a computer [ my current one is getting old - 5 years - and my dad owes me the money anyway ]

As for the buying a desktop suggestion; I won't be living at home - my parents' house is in Mallow, so a laptop would seem more practical for bringing the computer home if I'm going down at the weekends etc.

Thanks for all the insights people : )

godtabh

All you realy need is office and I think any computer will do that.

You probably wont have any college related use for you laptop (if you do civil) up to 4th year

Peleus

woohoo, now i dont have to buy a laptop. you had me scared for a minute.

karlr42

Boston wrote: »

If you're running linux, program in linux.

And have great fun doing it, I've been teaching myself perl over the summer using the built in perl interpreter and gedit, and I'm trying to teach myself vi, it comes in handy doing it this way if you ever have to do systems programming or use *nix servers. I don't know if engineers can get into LG12, but try, and use the Debian machines. If you specialize in Computer Engineering it will be very useful to have an idea of *nix.

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Boston

All first and second year engineers have access to LG12 as they do a course 1e3/2e3 under CS.

Brian

Mac OSX is based on Unix, it has a bash terminal thing.

Jonathan

Baza210 wrote: »

Mac OSX is based on Unix, it has a bash terminal thing.

Unix != Linux

It is illegal to run osx86 tho

Brian

jmccrohan wrote: »

Unix != Linux

It is illegal to run osx86 tho

Unix=/=Linux but Unix=*nix=Linux so there are similarities.

Apple can go bother someone else with their EULA, I have an iMac and an iPod, what more do they want out of me? I'm even going to buy Leopard.

Jonathan

In a kinda related issue, when you get your login you can get more or less any microsoft software (bar office) you want from the cs msdnaa.

Brian

I was going to ask "even for Mac?", but there isn't really any useful Microsoft software for Mac other than Office..

Jonathan

Full list of software:

.NET Framework 1.1 SDK
.NET Framework SDK 1.1
Access 2003
Access 2003 (Español)
Access 2003 (Francais)
Access 2007
BizTalk Server 2006 Enterprise Edition
Compute Cluster Pack
Compute Cluster Pack SDK
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Exchange Server 2003 Enterprise Edition (Deutsch)
Exchange Server 2007 Enterprise Edition
Exchange Server 2007 Standard Edition
Expression Blend
Expression Blend 2
Expression Design 2
Expression Encoder 2
Expression Media 2
Expression Studio
Expression Studio 2
Expression Web
Expression Web 2
Forefront Client Security (x86 and x64) - CD
Forefront Security for Exchange Server with Service Pack 1 (x64) - CD
Forefront Security for SharePoint with Service Pack 1 (x64) - CD
Forefront Server Security Management Console (x86) - DVD
InfoPath 2003
InfoPath 2003 Toolkit for Visual Studio Tools for Office 2005
InfoPath 2007
ISA Server 2006 Enterprise Edition
IT Academy Course: Database Developer
IT Academy Course: Web Developer
IT Academy Course: Windows Client
IT Academy Course: Windows Developer
IT Academy Course: Windows Server
MapPoint 2004 European - Run Disc (2/2)
MapPoint 2004 European - Setup Disc (1/2)
MapPoint 2004 North America - Run Disc (2/2)
MapPoint 2004 North America - Setup Disc (1/2)
MELL - Developer Edition for MSDNAA
Microsoft Project Professional 2002 (Single-User)
Microsoft Project Professional 2002 (Single-User) (Deutsch)
Microsoft Project Professional 2002 (Single-User) (Español)
Microsoft Project Professional 2002 (Single-User) (francais)
MSDN Library - April 2007 (DVD)
MSDN Library - August 2006 - CD1
MSDN Library - August 2006 - CD2
MSDN Library - August 2006 - CD3
MSDN Library - May 2006 - CD1
MSDN Library - May 2006 - CD2
MSDN Library - May 2006 - CD3
MSDN Library (Visual Studio .NET) CD1 ISO (Jan 2004)
MSDN Library (Visual Studio .NET) CD2 ISO (Jan 2004)
MSDN Library (Visual Studio .NET) CD3 ISO (Jan 2004)
MSDN Library (Visual Studio .NET) Full (Jan 2004)
MSDN Library for Visual Studio 2005 - CD1
MSDN Library for Visual Studio 2005 - CD2
MSDN Library for Visual Studio 2005 - CD3
MSDN Library for Visual Studio 2008 (x86 and x64 WoW) - DVD
MS-DOS 6.0
Office Communications Server 2007 Enterprise Edition
Office Communicator 2007
Office Groove 2007
Office Groove Server 2007
Office Project Server 2007
Office SharePoint Server 2007 Enterprise
Office SharePoint Server 2007 Standard
OneNote 2003
OneNote 2007
Project Professional 2002 (Single-User)
Project Professional 2003
Project Professional 2003 (Deutsch)
Project Professional 2007
Project Server 2003
Project Server 2003 (Deutsch)
SharePoint Designer 2007
SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Edition
SQL Server 2000 Enterprise Edition (Deutsch)
SQL Server 2000 SP3a
SQL Server 2000 SP3a (Deutsch)
SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition - 32-bit - CD1
SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition - 32-bit - CD2
SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition - 64-bit Extended - CD1
SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition - 64-bit Extended - CD2
SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition - 64-bit Itanium - CD1
SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition - 64-bit Itanium - CD2
SQL Server 2005 Developer Edition - DVD
SQL Server 2005 Express Edition
SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition - 32-bit - CD1
SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition - 32-bit - CD2
SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition - 32-bit - DVD
SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition - 64-bit Extended - CD1
SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition - 64-bit Extended - CD2
SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition - 64-bit Extended - DVD
SQL Server 2005 Standard Edition - 64-bit Itanium - DVD
SQL Server 2005 Workgroup Edition - 32-bit - DVD
System Center Capacity Planner 2006 with Service Pack 1
System Center Configuration Manager 2007 - DVD
System Center Essentials 2007 - DVD
System Center Mobile Device Manager 2008 (x64) - CD
System Center Operations Manager 2007
System Center Reporting Manager 2006
System Center Virtual Machine Manager 2007 (x86/x64) - DVD
Virtual PC 2004
Virtual PC 2007
Virtual PC 2007 64bit
Virtual PC for Mac 7.0.2
Virtual Server 2005 Standard Edition R2 - x64 (English)
Visio for Enterprise Architects
Visio Professional 2003
Visio Professional 2003 (Deutsch)
Visio Professional 2007
Visual Basic 2005 Express Edition
Visual Basic 6.0 Enterprise Edition - Disc 1
Visual Basic 6.0 Enterprise Edition - Disc 2
Visual C# 2005 Express Edition
Visual C++ 2005 Express Edition
Visual J# .NET
Visual J# 2005 Express Edition
Visual SourceSafe 2005
Visual SourceSafe 6.0d
Visual Studio .NET 2003 Prerequisites (Deutsch)
Visual Studio .NET 2003 Professional - Full Install
Visual Studio .NET Academic Student Tools 2003
Visual Studio .NET Academic Teaching Tools 2003
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD1
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD1 (Deutsch)
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD1 (Español)
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD1 (francais)
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD2
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD2 (Deutsch)
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD2 (Español)
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD2 (francais)
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD3
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD3 (Deutsch)
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD3 (Español)
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD3 (francais)
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD4
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD4 (Deutsch)
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD4 (Español)
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD4 (francais)
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD5
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD5 (Deutsch)
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD5 (Español)
Visual Studio .NET Pro 2002 - ISO Image - CD5 (francais)
Visual Studio .NET Professional 2002 (Full)
Visual Studio .NET Professional 2002 (Full) (Deutsch)
Visual Studio .NET Professional 2002 (Full) (Español)
Visual Studio .NET Professional 2002 (Full) (francais)
Visual Studio .NET Professional 2003 CD1 ISO
Visual Studio .NET Professional 2003 CD2 ISO
Visual Studio .NET Professional 2003 Prerequisites ISO
Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition - DVD
Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition Beta 2 DVD
Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition CD1
Visual Studio 2005 Professional Edition CD2
Visual Studio 2005 Standard Beta 2
Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition CD1
Visual Studio 2005 Standard Edition CD2
Visual Studio 2005 Team Foundation Server Beta 2
Visual Studio 2005 Team Foundation Server Trial Edition
Visual Studio 2005 Team Suite - CD1
Visual Studio 2005 Team Suite - CD2
Visual Studio 2005 Team Suite - CD3
Visual Studio 2005 Team Test Load Agent Beta 2
Visual Studio 2005 Tools for the Microsoft Office System
Visual Studio 2008 Professional Edition (x86 and x64 WoW) - DVD
Visual Studio 2008 Team Foundation Server Workgroup Edition (x86 and x64 WoW) - DVD
Visual Studio Team System 2008 Team Suite (x86 and x64 WoW) - DVD
Visual Web Developer 2005 Express Edition
Windows 2000 Advanced Server (with SP4)
Windows 2000 Professional (with SP4)
Windows 2000 Server (with SP4)
Windows 2000 SP 4
Windows 2000 SP 4 (Español)
Windows 2000 SP 4 (Francais)
Windows Embedded CE 6.0 DVD
Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition
Windows Server 2003 Enterprise Edition (Español)
Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise Edition - Disc 1
Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise Edition - Disc 2
Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise x64 Edition with SP2 - Disc 1
Windows Server 2003 R2 Enterprise x64 Edition with SP2 - Disc 2
Windows Server 2003 R2 Standard Edition - Disc 1
Windows Server 2003 R2 Standard Edition - Disc 2
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition
Windows Server 2003 Standard Edition with SP1
Windows Server 2003 Web Edition
Windows Server 2008 Enterprise and Standard - DVD
Windows Server 2008 Enterprise and Standard 64bit - DVD
Windows Services for UNIX 3.0
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Windows Vista Business CD2
Windows Vista Business CD3
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XNA Creators Club Online Academic Subscription

Brian

Virtual PC eh.. I guess that could be useful. Cheers.

Jonathan

Baza210 wrote: »

Virtual PC eh.. I guess that could be useful. Cheers.

Thats a free download off microsoft dot com anyway.

Brian

I see. I may be better served just partitioning the HDD and installing XP properly. The harddrive is upgradeable, and I'm definitely going to have to bump the RAM to 2Gb... crap, this laptop was supposed to be cheap :rolleyes:

Jonathan

Baza210 wrote: »

I see. I may be better served just partitioning the HDD and installing XP properly. The harddrive is upgradeable, and I'm definitely going to have to bump the RAM to 2Gb... crap, this laptop was supposed to be cheap :rolleyes:

You have to install either xp or vista OR OSX to get on to the network. TCD use a mac address filter that has to be authenicated using a tool that will only run on xp or vista.

Once your mac is authenicated you can do what you want

Ron DMC

Not true, I've seen people get on the network using OSX. It's more complicated apparently, but it is do-able.

I got my old iBook working on the (old) system anyway (though it took a bit of fiddling around).
But in general once you're set up via ethernet on OSX, filling in your MAC address for wireless shouldn't be much of a problem in theory.

Jonathan

Ronny Mitchell wrote: »

Not true, I've seen people get on the network using OSX. It's more complicated apparently, but it is do-able.

Yea sorry i ment to say that OSX is a totally different matter. I was only talking about windows

Brian

I guess I'll have to deal with WiFi when I get the laptop and actually get to TCD. I don't think osx86 uses the Airport interface like a real Mac would, so connecting to the network may be different. Easier or more difficult, I don't know.

Boston

You should edit your post, when I read it I thought you where saying you had to have Xp or Vista installed, which of course isn't the case at all at all.

karlr42

Quick question, what is it that appeals to you about Mac OSX? In my experience, it's very pretty, but nothing I can't recreate myself with compiz or whatever, and it doesn't seem too different from Windows in the way it works. Maybe I'm just ignorant.
Oh, and I'm fairly sure the fact it's not an airport card won't be a problem, I've read online about people installing off-the-shelf wireless network cards into Macs

Jonathan

Boston wrote: »

You should edit your post, when I read it I thought you where saying you had to have Xp or Vista installed, which of course isn't the case at all at all.

Done.

Boston

Its a unix based operating system that is also very "user friendly". Personally I'd install a real distro, but some people like the feel of OSX.

Epic Tissue

Yey for Vista Business:pac:

Boston

jmccrohan wrote: »

Done.

Sorry but you realise you can get onto the network with whatever operating system you want, not just a mac or microsoft OS? My friend has gentoo on the wireless network, I've seen numerous examples of Ubuntu/Debian and even symbian. Theres even a script ISS have for getting Ubuntu systems registered.

Jonathan

Boston wrote: »

Sorry but you realise you can get onto the network with whatever operating system you want, not just a mac or microsoft OS? My friend has gentoo on the wireless network, I've seen numerous examples of Ubuntu/Debian and even symbian. Theres even a script ISS have for getting Ubuntu systems registered.

I've used linux on the network before. I was unaware of the iss script for linux registration tho. Linky please?

Brian

karlr42 wrote: »

Quick question, what is it that appeals to you about Mac OSX? In my experience, it's very pretty, but nothing I can't recreate myself with compiz or whatever, and it doesn't seem too different from Windows in the way it works. Maybe I'm just ignorant.
Oh, and I'm fairly sure the fact it's not an airport card won't be a problem, I've read online about people installing off-the-shelf wireless network cards into Macs

Well, I've been using Mac OS 9/X for my entire computer-using-life, so I've become more accustomed to it. There just seems to be a good selection of freeware available for OSX that caters to whatever I want my computer to do [Yes, I know Linux is open source, I'll get to that]. Also, my current computer is running OS X, so it makes sense to keep the same OS and just swap over all my apps/data to the new computer.
Wrt Linux; yeah, it's nice and all, but I know that many many people install Ubuntu or whatever for the novelty, think "oh, that's nice", and then find that it's basically no improvement at all. I'm really more of a GUI person, so the moddability of Linux doesn't appeal that much to me.

Boston

IS Services website makes no reference to the script but if you bring an Ubuntu machine to them to be put on the network they'll give it to you.

karlr42

Fair point about Mac OS.

Baza210 wrote: »

Wrt Linux; yeah, it's nice and all, but I know that many many people install Ubuntu or whatever for the novelty, think "oh, that's nice", and then find that it's basically no improvement at all. I'm really more of a GUI person, so the moddability of Linux doesn't appeal that much to me.

A lot of people who find that don't put in the effort. Part of the fun of a linux distro is messing around it, discovering how to kill your Xserver(and more importantly, how to restart it). In my experience, Ubunutu is far superior to Windows, it boots up quick, rarely crashes, xkill is far far superir to task manager when an app goes pear shaped. As for the moddability, I like the ability to create scripts, I wrote myself a little wget/perl script to download xkcd everyday it comes out(see it running here, I'm not sure how I could have accomplished that in windows, but here it involved learning about bash, about string manipulation in perl, about command line arguments and so on. I learned a lot from that, whereas in another OS I might have just found an .exe online to do it for me. That would have been easier, but in Linux I learned about computing, about programming. That's why I choose it- it has a stable, pretty UI, and it both opens up power to you and encourages you to learn how to use it.

Jonathan

I've just noticed how off topic this thread has gone

Brian

Yes, xkcd! High five for that.

I tried to get a bash script working to download all the previous files, but it only worked up to 192 and then stopped. Plus it didn't have the alt-text. I guess the easiest way is to go to imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ and use DownThemAll.

That then results in having duplicates of a couple of strips, as Randall sometimes changes them.. hmm.

Hooray for derailing. I mean, it's all in the name of fun.

karlr42

Baza210 wrote: »

I tried to get a bash script working to download all the previous files, but it only worked up to 192 and then stopped. Plus it didn't have the alt-text. I guess the easiest way is to go to imgs.xkcd.com/comics/ and use DownThemAll.

Not quite the same, but I just wrote a script that uses html scraping and wget to download all the comics off that page- here it is. I'm going to streamline my script to download the latest comic so the idea is run the above script once, then the other one everytime there's a new release (Monday, Wednesday and Friday).
[EDIT] Done that(see the link).

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

karlr42 wrote: »

Fair point about Mac OS.

A lot of people who find that don't put in the effort. Part of the fun of a linux distro is messing around it, discovering how to kill your Xserver(and more importantly, how to restart it). In my experience, Ubunutu is far superior to Windows, it boots up quick, rarely crashes, xkill is far far superir to task manager when an app goes pear shaped. As for the moddability, I like the ability to create scripts, I wrote myself a little wget/perl script to download xkcd everyday it comes out(see it running here, I'm not sure how I could have accomplished that in windows, but here it involved learning about bash, about string manipulation in perl, about command line arguments and so on. I learned a lot from that, whereas in another OS I might have just found an .exe online to do it for me. That would have been easier, but in Linux I learned about computing, about programming. That's why I choose it- it has a stable, pretty UI, and it both opens up power to you and encourages you to learn how to use it.

You know, the vast majority of normal people (i.e. not cave-dwelling new-rock wearing troglodytes) actually want their computer to work, right out of the box, and to look good, right out of the box. No-one wants to do all that weird **** you just described, ever.

Boston

In fairness, what would you know about normal people.

Brian

Shoot, I didn't know there was normal people on the internet.

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI

Boston wrote: »

In fairness, what would you know about normal people.

I know they don't want to spend countless hours recreating the look and feel of OSX using Compiz, you insipid twat.

ApeXaviour

ZWEI_VIER_ZWEI banned for one year. He's been banned before, was on a last warning.

Boston, please refrain from baiting.

Epic Tissue

lol a years ban! That's hilarious, but well deserved. He had a decent point though..

ApeXaviour

I agree he may have. But he can't keep civil. I've only banned people twice in the last year. They were both him, for a month at a time. Some people don't learn.

andrew

So what people are saying is that in general a laptop isn't required for university. Oh well, too late

Brian

Yeah, I just want a new computer anyway.

Can anyone help me out with this this question-
Is it possible to make a Kalyway/iDeneb/iAtkos Custom OS X installer disc if you have a legit retail Leopard installer disc? All the installer guides generally involve "Torrent --- custom installer dvd" as the first step, and I can't torrent thanks to my rather alert ISP.

Ron DMC

Baza210 wrote: »

Yeah, I just want a new computer anyway.

Can anyone help me out with this this question-
Is it possible to make a Kalyway/iDeneb/iAtkos Custom OS X installer disc if you have a legit retail Leopard installer disc? All the installer guides generally involve "Torrent --- custom installer dvd" as the first step, and I can't torrent thanks to my rather alert ISP.

Maybe ask here or [URL=http://boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=85[/URL]here[/URL].

The TCD forum has plenty of smart people but they're probably not the best audience for the most part.

Brian

Yeah, thanks. I just didn't think it warranted a whole new topic and was trying to save space. Guess I'll head on over.

Brian

Urgh, it just seems needlessly complicated. I think I may just put Ubuntu on it instead. I might as well try out a new operating system.

Ron DMC

The complicatedness is the fun of it. I'm going to start playing around with all sorts of different OSs (including OSX Tiger) on my EEE 900.

But that all depends on whether I find my external cd burner, I've no idea where I left it.

Brian

Mleh, maybe it's worth it in the end, especially considering the fact that WiFi doesn't work straight away in Ubuntu either.

Brian

Ok, I've got my Eee, I've registered for my course, TCDwifi is working on XP, as is Ethernet. However, Ubuntu will not connect. I took my laptop to the ISS Network Clinic, and they basically couldn't help me beyond fiddling with a few tickboxes etc. Anyone got any suggestions? I'm running Hardy Heron with a custom Eee kernel which enables wifi compatability. A few guides I've seen linked to from boards reference wpa_supplicant, but I get errors when trying to make && make install that.