Threads about the Olympics and Doping.....

Dragan

Right,

threads about specific events/results/athletes go to the relevant Fora under the sports catagory.

Stuff about their training/diet etc can go here for general interest.....sports that may not have a specific fora can go here.

I really don't want to see people posting about whether they think someone is clean or not. It's boring to be honest and shows a lack of respect. If someone gets nailed they get nailed, until then assume they are afraid of needles.

Thanks.

Dragan
Moderator.

Mikel

Why is it boring?
How does it show a lack of respect.

Davei141

Mikel wrote: »

How does it show a lack of respect.

Have a wild guess.

Zzippy

Do you really think Usain Bolt or Michael Phelps is going to be reading this and getting upset cos someone in Ireland thinks they're not clean? FFS, its an open debate on tv channels everywhere covering the Olympics - just cos someone hasn't tested positive we can't have an honest debate about it?

Dirk_Diggler

Phelps is an active user of boards.ie. Do you not realise how massive boards.ie is? Espeically the fitness section, huge!

Hanley

Dirk_Diggler wrote: »

Phelps is an active user of boards.ie. Do you not realise how massive boards.ie is? Espeically the fitness section, huge!

I've been in my fair share of arguments with him. You shoulda seen how he was eating before I talked some sense into him. I don't wanna sound big headed, but I genuinely think I'm a big part of the 8 gold medals he won.

thirtyfoot

Hanley wrote: »

I've been in my fair share of arguments with him. You shoulda seen how he was eating before I talked some sense into him. I don't wanna sound big headed, but I genuinely think I'm a big part of the 8 gold medals he won.

Usain has also quoted you as sorting his diet out. From "Runners World",

"On an average day I'll have dumplings, yams and fried green bananas for breakfast - or maybe saltfish and ackee. Nothing special for lunch - it varies - and then rice with pork or beef for dinner. I know I can't eat too much fatty stuff, although I do love KFC, thats my favourite"

When he broke the world record in New York earlier in the season

"I celebrated in style, man! I love burgers so we went there (McDonalds). Why not? I had a bacon cheeseburger, chicken nuggets, fries, a Powerade and lots of BBQ sauce"

Not on the Phelps scale but refreshingly relaxed.

Hanley

Tingle wrote: »

Usain has also quoted you as sorting his diet out. From "Runners World",

"On an average day I'll have dumplings, yams and fried green bananas for breakfast - or maybe saltfish and ackee. Nothing special for lunch - it varies - and then rice with pork or beef for dinner. I know I can't eat too much fatty stuff, although I do love KFC, thats my favourite"

When he broke the world record in New York earlier in the season

"I celebrated in style, man! I love burgers so we went there (McDonalds). Why not? I had a bacon cheeseburger, chicken nuggets, fries, a Powerade and lots of BBQ sauce"

Not on the Phelps scale but refreshingly relaxed.

Man I didn't even know he was listening to me. He musta seen my training log here or something. I'm glad it's helping people out

Zzippy

Hanley wrote: »

I've been in my fair share of arguments with him. You shoulda seen how he was eating before I talked some sense into him. I don't wanna sound big headed, but I genuinely think I'm a big part of the 8 gold medals he won.

Did you also guide Bolt on his pre-race nutrition? 2 helpings of chicken nuggets were all he ate the day of the final :eek:

King of Kings

i've just had a shower and shave.
I am certifiably clean in case anybody was wondering

Hanley

Zzippy wrote: »

Did you also guide Bolt on his pre-race nutrition? 2 helpings of chicken nuggets were all he ate the day of the final :eek:

Look, as much of an honour as it is to associate HIM with me, but as I have said, I've had zero input into his diet. He might have used some of my ideas, but we haven't been in correspondance.

Oh and chicken nuggets... Don't farmers feed their chickens GH to make em grow quicker??? HMMMMMMM :D:D

Mikel

This is getting riduculous ffs. People discuss training methods and techniques here, and supplements and even steroids from time to time.
Michael Johnson doesn't consider it disrespectful to discuss drug use, and I'll wager he could pick out the guys who are using.
Actually MJ is a great example, I find his explanations of sprinting fascinating, and I'd like to hear more from him about how the sprinters train, but when you discuss training the doping issue is going to crop up.
Athletics long ago lost the right to get sniffy about people speculating about who is or isn't using, and to be fair I haven't heard one athletics pundit complaining. What is interesting is their almost child like open jawed admiration of Bolt, and considering what he did that's fair enough.
But like O'Toole said last night he jogged to a wr and left the field metres behind so he's sceptical. But he's acomplete believer in Phelps whereas others are more cynical.
I suppose athletes know their own sport and can recognise a phenom when they see one, and personally i hope Bolt is clean. But if he's not then athletics will be dead and buried.
I would just like to know more about the technique he uses, the training he does and whether he is just a 'freak of nature'.
The drugs question will always be with us.
I don't find it boring, nor do I see how any reasonable person could consider it disrespectful.

thirtyfoot

Mikel wrote: »

I would just like to know more about the technique he uses, the training he does and whether he is just a 'freak of nature'.

You won't get these answers here. Log onto www.elitetrack.com, get yourself a username and ask the guys there, if you are really interested you get a good insight into whats required.

Superdub2

Dragan wrote: »

Right,

threads about specific events/results/athletes go to the relevant Fora under the sports catagory.

Stuff about their training/diet etc can go here for general interest.....sports that may not have a specific fora can go here.

I really don't want to see people posting about whether they think someone is clean or not. It's boring to be honest and shows a lack of respect. If someone gets nailed they get nailed, until then assume they are afraid of needles.

Thanks.

Dragan
Moderator.

surely the posters have the right to discuss anything they want to discuss bar any specifically banned topics ( like torrents or something) and obviously should post it in the correct forum.

No offence but just because you find something boring and dont have an interest in it does this now mean that nobody else is allowed talk about it? Talk about censorship!

and lack of respect?? For who??? My own personal opinion is that they probly dont dope and i have no great interest in the topic but since when do we own these people any respect?? and if we did how are showing a lack of respect by airing our opinions??

Surely we are entitled to our opinions!

Dragan

Mikel wrote: »

This is getting riduculous ffs.

If we had a general population who posted here who had above average knowledge of ASS and cycling then i would care.

One of the rules of the charter is that you should at least try and know what you are talking about. Everytime PED use pops up we have the same rubbish back and forth from people who either believe or don't believe the person is clean.

I honestly do not see the point in these conversations. Personally i think turning around the second someone has won some gold or ran a fast race and implying PED use is disrespectful...."oh, they MUST be on drugs, look how well they are doing". If people could offer genuine insight or information then hell, i would be all for it, but as it is it just tends to boil down to "they are........they are not!" arguments and thats it.

If people would like to discuss who they think is on or not then check out a different forum or maybe try TMZ.

Like i said, if someone fails a test then discuss. I personally don't see how this is a difficult concept to grasp?

Zzippy

Well I personally don't think Bolt, Phelps or most of the othre really high-profile athletes are on drugs, they are simply tested too often both in and out of competition. But that doesn't mean we can't have a debate about it. Just because a mod doesn't see the point in a conversation its not allowed? Jesus, the whole AH forum should be closed down so, as well as a lot of other forums on here. :rolleyes:

kevpants

I think what Dragan means is these threads of "I think he is", "I think he's not" are pointless as they add nothing to the argument.

If anyone with enough knowledge could contribute to a thread outlining what substances are flavour of the month of the moment, how they work, how do they beat the tests etc I don't think there'd be a problem. At least there would be some informed discussion and some insight into the situation, for AND against.

These threads are boring TBH.

Unfortunately if someone with experience of these substances did post I suspect they'd probably be subjected to a barrage of Just Say No comments pointing out how they are more evil than Hitler and Pol Pot x 1000 by the general posters.

Dragan

Kevpants is spot on, it's not the subject i find boring, it's the same old tired twaddle form folk who largely don't know enough about what they are talking about.

If someone wants to come on here with a detailed breakdown of Bolts improvements over time and a decent comparison to the rest of the field he thrashed then i would be all up for debating that in detail.

Roper

I just want to say that some people on here must be on performance enhancing drugs. Your posts seem to be better than mine and I don't really understand computers enough to know the ins and outs of how you do it, so I'll just assume you're on drugs.

I rarely agree with moderation but this is fair enough. If someone comes on here with a reasonable argument for why someone is on PEDs then I think we could all listen. But all people were saying about Bolt was "Oh he must be cos he's fast", or "Phelps must be because look at the amount of medals he's won".

dave80

interesting article about dwain chambers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/drugsinsport/2300492/Sprinter-Dwain-Chambers-to-lift-lid-on-drug-cheats-with-help-of-Balco-chief-Victor-Conte.html

Mikel

Roper wrote: »

I rarely agree with moderation but this is fair enough. If someone comes on here with a reasonable argument for why someone is on PEDs then I think we could all listen. But all people were saying about Bolt was "Oh he must be cos he's fast", or "Phelps must be because look at the amount of medals he's won".

To be fair i don't think anyone was.
I think though it's a fair enough question considering the manner of his running. I will gladly admit to nearly zero knowledge about the ins and outs of it, but I take the view that people in the sport will know. Hence why there was major negativity around michelle smith but not Phelps or Thorpe, because they have form coming through the ranks.
Bolt is an interesting case because he was so emphatic. I think I read he broke the wr in only his FIFTH competitive 100m, which probably lends credence to the freak of nature theory.
Granted it might be tedious listening to the cries of 'they must be on drugs'
But equally tedious are the ripostes of they never tested positive (Michelle Smith) or they're tested all the time (so was Ben Johnson) or vocal about drug use (Linford Christie)

Hanley

dave80 wrote: »

interesting article about dwain chambers

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/othersports/drugsinsport/2300492/Sprinter-Dwain-Chambers-to-lift-lid-on-drug-cheats-with-help-of-Balco-chief-Victor-Conte.html

That was a really good read. nice one!

thirtyfoot

Mikel wrote: »

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Bolt is an interesting case because he was so emphatic. I think I read he broke the wr in only his FIFTH competitive 100m, which probably lends credence to the freak of nature theory.

Track fans have known of Bolt probably since 2003 when as a 17 year old he ran 20.13 for the 200m. He had run 20.58 as a 16 year the previous year which is also impressive. He then ran 19.93 as an 18 year old which is massively impressive when you consider Michael Johnson only did a time like that when he was 23. He ran 45.35 for 400 as a 17 year old, world class time. Last year he ran 19.75 and finished second to Tyson Gay while this year he has ran 19.67 and is the 5th fastest of all time. He didn't really do 100's as he was seen as too big. This year he began to focus on 100's and 200's under his coach Glen Mills. He hasn't done anything "different" except work hard and defied the perception that guys over 6 ft 4 can sprint 100. Powell is 6ft 3 and the best starter in the world so maybe Mills said if Safa can do why can't Usain. His start is phenominal, his pick up is awesome and at top end speed he is unbeatable.

His coach Glen Mills is regarded very well in track circles and has never had a doping suspicion let alone a positive athlete. Thats Usain Bolt, nothing strange apart from the fact that he is a "genetic freak" who works hard and has an amazing mental ability to perform when its needed most like at an Olympic final. He is no bolt from the blue or come from nowhere athlete and is now only fulfilling the potential that track fans saw 4 or 5 year ago.

Its no rockets science. An amazing athlete, a coach who knows his athlete and the coach and athlete get it right, work hard and get the results.

thirtyfoot

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2054996512&highlight=bolt

A thread from Athletics Board two years ago regarding Bolt.

Common Sense, Pherekydes, Tingle et al have been talking about this guy for a while.

Mikel

I remember an article in the IT before the olympics which was along the same lines, pulling up trees in the junior events etc. O'Riordan I think was the journalist

Al_Fernz

Tingle wrote: »

Tingle

Al_Fernz likes talking about himself in the 3rd person too