Cork vs Kerry - Predictions and Discussion

Orizio

Apparently Cork are playing Kerry is some kind of 'football' match this coming Sunday. So who do people think will win, what will happen, what will be the scoreline etc? For me it will be...

Kerry 6-29 Cork 0-00

Canty to snap his hamstring in the warmup, Kavanagh to come out drunk and get sent off within 5 minutes and Sean O'Brien to get mistaken for a twelve year old and get caught playing in the primary game. The 15 Kerry footballing Gods to do a destruction job, and Conor Counihan to be back in Aghada with a pint of Guinness by half time.

On the plus side, the 7 or so Cork fans in Dublin will get plenty in before closing time.

EDIT: Meant to get a poll in, any chance of a kind mod obliging?

cruiserweight

Orizio wrote: »

Apparently Cork are playing Kerry is some kind of 'football' match this coming Sunday. So who do people think will win, what will happen, what will be the scoreline etc? For me it will be...

Kerry 6-29 Cork 0-00

Canty to snap his hamstring in the warmup, Kavanagh to come out drunk and get sent off within 5 minutes and Sean O'Brien to get mistaken for a twelve year old and get caught playing in the primary game. The 15 Kerry footballing Gods to do a destruction job, and Conor Counihan to be back in Aghada with a pint of Guinness by half time.

On the plus side, the 7 or so Cork fans in Dublin will get plenty in before closing time.

Do you really think the game will be that tight :P

blackbelt

Apparently the Mayo team did not wipe their feet on entry into Croke Park two weeks ago and Dublin caught Mayoitis.Given the destruction of Cork by Kerry last year,me thinks Cork will have a re-lapse of Mayoitis.:pac::pac:

KerranJast

I'm assuming despite your location that you're not from Cork Orizio. If you are turn in your birth cert and GTFO. I think they have a much better shot this year of running Kerry close. The only thing against them is the poor opposition they faced against Kildare. It turned into a training match after 25mins. Write us off all ye like. I think a surprise in on the cards.

Mr. Incognito

Kerry,

6-8 Points.

Expect Bohane to take up Cussen and Kerry to purr in their home venue (Croke Park)

Orizio

KerranJast wrote: »

I'm assuming despite your location that you're not from Cork Orizio. If you are turn in your birth cert and GTFO. I think they have a much better shot this year of running Kerry close. The only thing against them is the poor opposition they faced against Kildare. It turned into a training match after 25mins. Write us off all ye like. I think a surprise in on the cards.

Irony: "the use of words to convey a meaning that is the opposite of its literal meaning".

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careca

SetantaL wrote: »

Kerry,

6-8 Points.

Expect Bohane to take up Cussen and Kerry to purr in their home venue (Croke Park)

I heard Tommy Griffin is playing there in training :eek:

This will be very tight. Cork won't give a **** about last years final and will relish playing us. Kerry are improving though and I think they might just get through.

Kerry by 2.

bill_ashmount

Cork to win by 7.

DDC1990

History shows that Kerry will probably start the same team as the QF, despite Marc being in poor form at Fullback. Hopefullly this won't go against us and be 2-3 to no score down after 10 mins!!!

K-9

DDC1990 wrote: »

History shows that Kerry will probably start the same team as the QF, despite Marc being in poor form at Fullback. Hopefullly this won't go against us and be 2-3 to no score down after 10 mins!!!

Oh, you from Kerry by any chance?:D

Agree on O'Se, the full back line is the weak link. Bradley in the League, Freeman and Meehan have all beaten O'Se and well to. Dare I suggest he needs to be replaced?

Overall, if the right Cork team shows up I give them a right chance! They where class in that first half against Kildare and maybe nearly being caught at the end maybe the kick up the ass they need! Otherwise they'd be too cocky!

Still, Kerry by 2!

Damo.Smith

Kerry will have too much upstairs for Cork in Croker...the mental scars that have affected Cork in the past will come back to haunt them

Yavvy

I added a poll as per request of origional poster

Kerry by a goal ...

yayamark

If Cussen can be halted Cork will be toothless and a cofortable Kerry win

If Cussen rules it will lift the other Cork forwards and well be in trouble.

I cant see a repeat of last years AI Final or the 2nd half of this years MSFF.

My guess. Kerry by 4points

Hope its a good CLEAN game.

gotchie7

IF COLM COOPER PLAYS AT ALL LIKE HE HAS BEEN PLAYING I THINK THAT CORK WILL WIN

WITH CUSSEN PLAYIN GOOD ITS REALLY THE BEST CHANCE FOR US TO BEAT THE KINGDOM IN CROKER

Pappy o' daniel

Cork can win.

Midfield is key, Canty and Pearce with Nicky murphy as a 3rd midfielder, sean obrien to hover up the loose ball. Kerry are vulnerable there, see the monaghan, galway games.

Kerry have the best forwards in the land, but without the ball they cant do damage.
If cork win 60% of the kickouts they should put up a big enough score to edge it.

baztard

You only get one chance a year against Kerry, and Cork have already taken theirs.
Kerry are a far too good all 'round team to be fooled by the same Cork tactics twice.

Cork are a bit of a one trick pony with Cussen. If kicking the ball high into him doesn't work on the day, I don't think they stand a chance.

But then again I'm hoping they prove me wrong.

Wexford v. Cork in the final. Wexford for Sam.

Pappy o' daniel

A couple of years ago, people were saying that Cork only had Masters.

Now they have Hayes, Goulding, Cussen, Goold and O' Connor.
All scoring forwards left or right. How many other teams can say that?(other than kerry)

mousey007

ya those forwards are all very good but how will they really do when it matters in the heat of battle?

DDC1990

Pappy o' daniel wrote: »

A couple of years ago, people were saying that Cork only had Masters.

Now they have Hayes, Goulding, Cussen, Goold and O' Connor.
All scoring forwards left or right. How many other teams can say that?(other than kerry)

Well ye had them in the final last year... What was the score again?

Pappy o' daniel

DDC1990 wrote: »

Well ye had them in the final last year... What was the score again?

I was replying to "baztard" who said cork were a one trick pony with cussen.


Cork couldn't match kerrys intensity in the final, and were beaten in midfield. With the volume of ball coming in the backline crumbled.

But if Cork can win midfield on sunday....

Colm R

My heart says Cork, my head says Kerry.

I'm nervous about this one for a few reasons. Kerry are better but Cork have the ability to kill their game. Its just a matter of doing it. It took me a few hours to be able to speak to anyone after last weeks drubbing against the Cats. I don't know how I could handle walking out of Croker if the same thing happens again. But the important thing here is the boys will have the same feeling.

For Kerry to win, its about their game.

For Cork to win, its all in the mentality. Get that right and we might just beat them.

Nalced_irl

I think it will be alot closer than many predict. Cork definately can stop Kerry in their tracks but it depends on alot of things. Id say Cork will be hugely built up for this one as they know it would be a dream for them to put 2 over on Kerry. Kildare wasnt a real test for them which could help or hamper them, quite often the latter. Kerry, as always are getting better as the latter stages come and if they improve on the Galway game, they will be very tough to break down. O Se at number 3 is dodgy imo. He hasnt performed well there at all but he is capable of pulling out some great games so you never know if he starts there. I think possibly Kerry by the odd point but just to make things more even ill go Cork by 1 as i think it can go either way.

Orizio

Pappy o' daniel wrote: »

A couple of years ago, people were saying that Cork only had Masters.

Now they have Hayes, Goulding, Cussen, Goold and O' Connor.
All scoring forwards left or right. How many other teams can say that?(other than kerry)

O'Connor is having an awful year, and in reality the chances of all of the above firing on the same day is highly unlikely. We are like the Waterford hurlers (well, up until last Sunday) one or two forwards always play well enough to get us past the weaker teams but we need all 6 to fire against Kerry in Croker and it probably won't happen. Regardless, Kerry still have the better scoring forwards.

I actually think we have the best squad now that we have had in years, the closest we have been to Kerry in years but our defence is their to be taken imo, particurly if the likes of Duggan and Og Regan start. The right team won't be picked, and even if it was, its Kerry in Croker, they'll shat themselves once again. On paper we have enough to win, but in reality it will be men against boys on Sunday yet again.

Anyone going btw? I'm hoping to go, but my usual ride has a party the day before so maybe not. Plus he went to the last two Kerry/Cork matches in Croker...:D

Orizio

DDC1990 wrote: »

Well ye had them in the final last year... What was the score again?

Hayes, Goold and Goulding weren't playing regurly last year, they were subs.

keane2097

Orizio wrote: »

Hayes, Goold and Goulding weren't playing regurly last year, they were subs.

Goold still is no? They're not exactly world beaters in any case.

Cork's best chance is the Kerry management imo. I think Pat O'Shea is a disaster - if he doesn't make changes in the full back line we're there for the taking.

Orizio

Goold probably will be, but he has played more this year then last(when he was injured for the most part I think) and will certainly come on.

Goulding and Hayes are two of the best young forwards in the country, and both had fine games in the Munster Final. Hayes singlehandedly took Kildare apart, and is a lovely pure footballer if not very physical.

Orizio

keane2097 wrote: »

Goold still is no? They're not exactly world beaters in any case.

Cork's best chance is the Kerry management imo. I think Pat O'Shea is a disaster - if he doesn't make changes in the full back line we're there for the taking.

Throwing someone like Bohane in full back, regardless of his potential and stature, into the deep end in an All-Ireland semi is risky to say the least. He has to win clean ball against Cussen, half the scores we got in the second half against Kerry simply bounced off Cussen and into the hands of our corner forwards. The corner backs need to be on the top of their game just as much as the full back. TBH I can see Donaghy doing a job on the ever volatile and inconsistent Kavanagh as much as Cussen will on whoever is full back.

Of course this depends on Cussen actually being picked at full forward and us winning enough possession to get the ball into him. I'd be far more worried about our middle third getting decent ball into him, they usually panic at Croker, play basketball and give it away.

Orizio

The Cork team has been announced as the same one to start agianst Kildare, which means no Canty or Murphy.

Of course, that almost cetainly won't be the team to start against Kerry...I hope.

redzerdrog

anyone know what the handicap betting is for this one?

aidan24326

Cork are going into this game in better shape than for previous Croke Park games v Kerry. I fancy it will be much closer this time but Kerry to get through by 2 or 3 points.

redzerdrog wrote:

anyone know what the handicap betting is for this one?

Kerry -3.0 evens
Handicap Draw (3.0) 15 - 2
Cork +3.0 evens


Kerry -1.0 8 - 15
Handicap Draw (1.0) 15 - 2
Cork +1.0 15 - 8

Kerry -2.0 8 - 11
Handicap Draw (2.0) 15 - 2
Cork +2.0 11 - 8

Kerry -6.0 5 - 2
Handicap Draw (6.0) 10 - 1
Cork +6.0 4 - 11

Kerry -7.0 10 - 3
Handicap Draw (7.0) 11 - 1
Cork +7.0 1 - 4

zuluboy

gotchie7 wrote: »

IF COLM COOPER PLAYS AT ALL LIKE HE HAS BEEN PLAYING I THINK THAT CORK WILL WIN

Colm Cooper is a football god, never forget that.
If it wasn't for some Tyrone thug clocking him off the ball in '05 we'd be going for five in a row.

keane2097

zuluboy wrote: »

Colm Cooper is a football god, never forget that.
If it wasn't for some Tyrone thug clocking him off the ball in '05 we'd be going for five in a row.

Nah we were well beaten that year.

63587614

Not on your life boy. Be aware this panel is strong enough to challenge for a 5 in a row. Big Tommy Walsh has a brother who some say is better than him Barry John he scored 3-3 against Offaly in his last outing.

Pure class.

premierstone

Kerry comfortably enough IMO, people have raised the question of Mark o Se being the weak link and on current form perhaps its justified but the same can be said for every single Cork defender with the exception of Lynch and Spillane look how good Corks defence did against an extremely average Limerick team, the first half against Kerry, and the second half against Kildare, as for the notion that cussen could single handedly win this for cork he is nowhere near the allround footballer that Donaghy or Walsh are for Kerry.

zuluboy

keane2097 wrote: »

Nah we were well beaten that year.

hmmm... not sure I agree with that, We were totally reliant on Cooper up front back then and he was flying until the Tyrone decided to do the dirt on him off the ball... Completely changed the game

keane2097

zuluboy wrote: »

hmmm... not sure I agree with that, We were totally reliant on Cooper up front back then and he was flying until the cheating scum decided to do the dirt on him off the ball... Completely changed the game

Gooch has been getting hit every game he's played in since he was 12 and it never bothered him. He was just beaten in that game by an excellent corner-back in Mcmenamen imo.

Pappy o' daniel

Murphy and Canty both injured, not much hope now.

zuluboy

keane2097 wrote: »

Gooch has been getting hit every game he's played in since he was 12 and it never bothered him. He was just beaten in that game by an excellent corner-back in Mcmenamen imo.

Slight difference between getting hit during a game and being taken out of it unawares from behind by some coward when the ball is at the opposite end of the field!

scaramanga

zuluboy wrote: »

Slight difference between getting hit during a game and being taken out of it unawares from behind by some coward when the ball is at the opposite end of the field!

and a whole 2 feet from the umpire:mad:

Patto

For the first time in Croke park Cork could beat Kerry mid field. O'Neill will take no crap from Dara and Kerry have no Galvin to pick up the scraps.

Kerry's full back line will struggle for sure and Corks backs will srtuggle with Cooper, O'Sullivan and Donaghy. I don't see Tommy Walsh having a big day impact for another two years, he is very raw.

This is no cake walk for Kerry but I'd fancy them just to pip it, espiceally if Cork can't call on Canty or Murphy.

DDC1990

Pappy o' daniel wrote: »

Murphy and Canty both injured, not much hope now.

Ah lads ye pull that one every year, i'd put a bet that Murphy and Canty will play a decent portion of sundays game. Canty will even start i'd say!
As for the Colm Cooper incident in 2005.... the one thing that really annoyed me about that was at the After Game thing in City West (you know the yoke that RTE show with all the players pissed after the match) Ryan McMenamen Was laughing about it, and said "Ah shur you should ask Pakkie (Paschal McConnall) about that" and laughed his head off!" Really stung that one!
Then again, hopefully we'll get revenge on September 21st... all going well on Sunday that is... and if Wexford don't get it for us :P

Orizio

Pappy o' daniel wrote: »

Murphy and Canty both injured, not much hope now.

Yup both out, thats game over. Fancy Kerry by 10+ now.

Pride Fighter

Cork will win, they have choked too many times at this stage against Kerry and will give it everything this time. They will win by 4 points.

bill_ashmount

Pappy o' daniel wrote: »

Murphy and Canty both injured, not much hope now.

They're not really injured, they'll be around allright.

cruiserweight

Orizio wrote: »

Yup both out, thats game over. Fancy Kerry by 10+ now.

Wow you are getting more cnofident about Corks chances

sam34

Pappy o' daniel wrote: »

Murphy and Canty both injured

does anyone actually believe this?:rolleyes:

Orizio

sam34 wrote: »

does anyone actually believe this?:rolleyes:

Not only are both Canty and Murphy out, but Goulding, Cussen and O'Neill all have pulled hamstrings.

Rumours aboud Cork that we aren't even going to bother sending a team up on Sunday. Not enough fit footballers in the county.

keane2097

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Cork will win, they have choked too many times at this stage against Kerry and will give it everything this time. They will win by 4 points.

Your powers of logic are astonishing...

Pride Fighter

keane2097 wrote: »

Your powers of logic are astonishing...

Thank you, I am reading the big book of logic at the moment. I dont think its as good as the big book of sarcasm you are reading:pac::pac:

keane2097

Pride Fighter wrote: »

Thank you, I am reading the big book of logic at the moment. I dont think its as good as the big book of sarcasm you are reading:pac::pac:

Lols - yup, about equal imo..!

CyberDave

Patto wrote: »

For the first time in Croke park Cork could beat Kerry mid field. O'Neill will take no crap from Dara.

I think because of what happened in the Munster final Dara O'Sé will be out to prove a point. O'Neill was in his face that day and kept him out of the game. Somehow, I don't see O'Sé letting that happen again. As well as that O'Sé's fitness has improved since then as always seems to be the case with him.