Russia Threatens Nuclear attack

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/aug/15/russia.poland.nuclear.missiles.threat

"By deploying, Poland is exposing itself to a strike - 100%," warned Colonel General Anatoly Nogovitsyn. He added that Russia's security doctrine allowed it to use nuclear weapons against an active ally of a nuclear power such as America.

Sir Digby Chicken Caesar

well at least they have the balls to come out and say it as opposed to 'all options are on the table' like we hear from our westward friends.

síofra

Maybe I'm naive but that kind of talk scares me which is probably its intention.

mike65

No doubt Colonel General Anatoly Nogovitsyn was given licence to issue threats by the Kremlin and then it'll be played down by same. The threat will be left to hang in the air over Poland who will then get cold feet.

Mike.

Gurgle

"By deploying, Poland is exposing itself to a strike - 100%,"

Could be interpreted several ways.

The weapons are being deployed in Poland to counter any ballistic missiles coming from the direction of Iran, so of course Poland is under an increased threat of attack - from Iran.

meathstevie

Don't read too much in it. They're just dusting of the old USSR cold war doctrine. It's all part of the ressurection plan. The only difference is that instead of the obligational picture of Lenin or Stalin every classroom in Russia will have to display a picture of Vladimir Poetin.

marcsignal

better get a move on

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IaeeSKpwSQ

bk

Yawn, this sort of talk is going to push Poland and other ex-soviets nations closer to the west, EU, US and Nato. People from these countries remember the bad old days under Soviet rule and if it looks like Russia is attempting to reassert their influence, these countries will run into the arms of the West.

The US military most be delighted with the growth in their old enemy Russia, that is lots of funding for lots of new shiny Stealth Fighters, Aircraft Carriers and ICBM subs.

Poland and the US are laughing at this threat, everyone knows that any nuck strike by Russia against Poland, a Nato country would result in an overwhelming retaliation by the US and other Nato countries, so it is very much an empty threat.

Kama

If it weren't for the human horror of it all, this would all feel quite pleasantly retro, comfortingly familiar like a TV rerun, good old wholesome enemies like the Russians instead of that whole messy Islamo-facist threat.

Back to Nukular Basics with a growling Russian Bear...

marcsignal

Kama wrote: »

Back to Nukular Basics with a growling Russian Bear...

I agree

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-2023790698427111488

bk

bk wrote: »

Poland and the US are laughing at this threat, everyone knows that any nuck strike by Russia against Poland, a Nato country would result in an overwhelming retaliation by the US and other Nato countries, so it is very much an empty threat.

well hang on and think about it for a second. Lets say they rocket the missile shield without nuclear weapons a conventional attack.

What will the west do? Start a nuclear war and destroy us all?
No I dont think so, What of Putin now? Is he really bad enough to gamble on this? He has already exposed Europes division and US weakness. People would argue "oh Poland was stupid to put the missile shield there, got what they deserved" blah blah blah same crap as Georgia.
Nobody will stand up to a nation with nuclear weapons. If Hitler had nuclear weapons and took the Sudentenland and then Poland the allies would have probably not fought until they hit France.

dresden8

This should be in the retro forum. This is soooooooooooooooo 1980's. Next thing the A-Team and Knightrider will be back.

Relax. 20 years of not being threaten with nuclear war was an aberration when compared to the previous 40 years of cold war.

There's no need to dig a bunker. (Yet)

MouthPiece

So what if they nuke Poland? Nobody will die, they are all in ireland. Maybe do the world a favour, and nuke this ****hole of a country instead.

sink

marcsignal wrote: »

I agree

http://video.google.com/googleplayer.swf?docId=-2023790698427111488

Wholly crap that film scared the **** outta me when I was young and that was after the cold war. Islamic terrorism eat your heart out.

gino85

dresden8 wrote: »

This should be in the retro forum. This is soooooooooooooooo 1980's. Next thing the A-Team and Knightrider will be back.

Relax. 20 years of not being threaten with nuclear war was an aberration when compared to the previous 40 years of cold war.

There's no need to dig a bunker. (Yet)

im pretty sure knight rider is comming back lol

and i dont think russia has the balls to use nuclear weapons on anyone, they only exist nowadays as a deterant to hostile nations to not use them

sink

I feel that Russia's new assertiveness will result in an arms build up in Europe. The EU might finally get the military it's always wanted.

Dirk Gently

gino85 wrote: »

and i dont think russia has the balls to use nuclear weapons on anyone, they only exist nowadays as a deterant to hostile nations to not use them

Nukes don't necessarily mean huge yield warheads. Smaller low yield nukes could be used. AFAIK some in the US have been pushing for these low yield weapons to be used in conventional war. I can't see Russia hitting the big button but the little button option is something the West is already pushing for. I'm not up to date with the latest Russian military technology but after mastering big yield I assume that low yield weapons aren't too hard to follow once a decent guidance system could deliver it. That said, I don't think Poland is in any danger of getting nuked, big button or little button. Don't be surprised to see low yield weapons used in future conflicts in this century though.

Overheal

clown bag wrote: »

Nukes don't necessarily mean huge yield warheads. Smaller low yield nukes could be used. AFAIK some in the US have been pushing for these low yield weapons to be used in conventional war. I can't see Russia hitting the big button but the little button option is something the West is already pushing for. I'm not up to date with the latest Russian military technology but after mastering big yield I assume that low yield weapons aren't too hard to follow once a decent guidance system could deliver it. That said, I don't think Poland is in any danger of getting nuked, big button or little button. Don't be surprised to see low yield weapons used in future conflicts in this century though.

what youre talking about already happened in the 1970s if i recall correctly. Most famously, the Davy Crockett shoulder launched variant.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W54

The Kremlin also developed truck-launched nuclear weapons - you then had both the tactical warhead (the Crockett) and the Theater-Wide Warhead did not require the use of a fixed silo. However before such weapons were used in live-action, both sides signed agreements to disband the entire class of nuclear arsenal: keeping to ICMBs, Bombers, and Submarines.

This all seems like sword rattling to me. Whether or not it works on the Polish government though, that I am curious about.

Suitcase nukes ... arent some of those missing?

Overheal

Deleted User wrote: »

Suitcase nukes ... arent some of those missing?

Davy Crockett was small enough to fit into a backpack, albeit a big, round backpack. And thats the smallest model I can find information on. Whether one has since been designed in secret by either Russia or the USA - we simply don't know.

“If a US strategic anti-missile shield is deployed near our borders, we will be forced to react not in a diplomatic fashion but with military resources,” the statement read

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=64730&sectionid=3510303


From July 08

I suppose a threat like that is kinda serious

Don't be silly.
Some generals saying Russian nukes will include poland in their pointings.

They may as well point them at the moon,it means nothing and won't make a half worth of difference.

There will be no nuclear war.
They can point them where they like.
The days of Rooskie dominated poland are long gone and won't be back.
Sorry Vladimir..

Mr.Micro

IMO its all just posturing by Russia, just as the invasion of Assetia/Georgia was showing who is boss. Whats the point of having an army and weapons if you ca'nt threaten your neighbour or other countries? The US threatened Iraq and invaded,and is still there and subsequently Afghanistan. I am sure the Russians do not want to miss out on the fun. I am sure that China in the future will want to do the same. Has civilization advanced at all I ask myself, history repeats itself but we never learn from it do we?

sink

Mr.Micro wrote: »

IMO its all just posturing by Russia, just as the invasion of Assetia/Georgia was showing who is boss. Whats the point of having an army and weapons if you ca'nt threaten your neighbour or other countries? The US threatened Iraq and invaded,and is still there and subsequently Afghanistan. I am sure the Russians do not want to miss out on the fun. I am sure that China in the future will want to do the same. Has civilization advanced at all I ask myself, history repeats itself but we never learn from it do we?

Em the US invaded Afghanistan in 2001 shortly after 911 the Iraq war didn't start till march 2003. Afghanistan was a necessary war and NATO had no choice but to retaliate as the west had been attacked. Iraq was unnecessary and was started purely by choice mainly due to the naivety of the neo-con administration of George Bush and their lust for profits from oil from arms manufacturing amongst many other factors. Don't get the two mixed up.

faceman

What a crock. Two world wars, a holocaust, a cold war, genocide.. Have we learnt nothing?

nyarlothothep

Mr.Micro wrote: »

IMO its all just posturing by Russia, just as the invasion of Assetia/Georgia was showing who is boss. Whats the point of having an army and weapons if you ca'nt threaten your neighbour or other countries? The US threatened Iraq and invaded,and is still there and subsequently Afghanistan. I am sure the Russians do not want to miss out on the fun. I am sure that China in the future will want to do the same. Has civilization advanced at all I ask myself, history repeats itself but we never learn from it do we?

Its the narcissistic power obsessed who think they have an entitlement to play god with people, they are mostly responsible. Most people don't want any of this, except those who are duped by the pr machine.

jonny72

The Russians are extremely suspicious of the West. They believe their own propaganda. Everyone seems to be lightheartedly joking about going back to the Cold War era, but I don't really see the situation improving. The Bush model and to a lesser extent the Israeli model shows, that if you can back it up, you can ignore the rest of the world and do what you want.

Some people have talked about this "missile shield". I've yet to hear any military expert say it is anything but useless.

marcsignal

jonny72 wrote: »

The Russians are extremely suspicious of the West. They believe their own propaganda.

and the west are extremely suspicious of Russia, and we believe our own propaganda too

Personally I like the idea of Ivan sticking it to the yanks, I mean Bush has a neck like a jockeys bollix lecturing the Ruskies, or anyone else, about territorial integrity, considering........

Overheal

faceman wrote: »

What a crock. Two world wars, a holocaust, a cold war, genocide.. Have we learnt nothing?

and the crusades, dont forget the crusades.

...Im going to go watch The Abyss again.

marcsignal

faceman wrote: »

What a crock. Two world wars, a holocaust, a cold war, genocide.. Have we learnt nothing?

Ehhhh, quite right, we have learnt nothing

http://www.zeitgeistmovie.com

Hobbes

marcsignal wrote: »

better get a move on

Don't know why but that reminded me of this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHP3Jih_rfA