Institute of Education in Dublin....

Brooke01

Hey,

Have any of you guys repeated LC or spend a year in a grind school or in the Institute of Education in Dublin ??, are grinds school worth the money, Teaching etc??

Running Bing

Brooke01 wrote: »

Hey,

Have any of you guys repeated LC or spend a year in a grind school or in the Institute of Education in Dublin ??, are grinds school worth the money, Teaching etc??

And this is in the TCD forum why exactly?

Brooke01

Babybing wrote: »

And this is in the TCD forum why exactly?

Well a lot of students when from the Institute of Education to TCD, UCD,NUIM and was awarded a Entrance Scholars. And I was eager for someone that went to the Institute of Education last year that is studying in TCD now may inform me what it was like....:)

leesmom

i went to the institute 2 years ago,i did 5th and 6th year there,i also did english grinds in 5th and 6th year there.
it is a good school,however you have to actually want to do well and apply yourself to do well.if you want to go in there everyday and sit in the lunch room chatting or choose to go home early you can,you more than likely wont get told off,they leave it up to you almost completely.
the majority of the time alot of the teachers dont take the roll,yes you have a handprint thingy which you have to sign in on every morning but if you want to feck off after that fair enough but you wont get your points and they wont care as they have enough students in there wanting to get points for medicine etc and they are not really bothered with the lazy ones
the grinds are good enough and you will get the same notes as the full time students minus the **** ones that they throw in.
however if you want to do the saturday grinds its about 900 euro per subject and around 1650 for 2 subjects ,so it is expensive

Boston

I can't think of anything which would fuk up a prospective trinity student more then having gone to the likes of the Institute. Don't get me wrong, grind schools get the grades, they ride students hard to get the most of them. The problem is you get these kids arriving in college expecting the same treatment, expecting someone standing over them forcing them to do work, handing them a study plan and revision notes and prep talks on how to pass the exam. The reality of trinity (and in fairness any large Irish UNI) hits them like a tonne of bricks. Some change and adapt, but a huge number simply drop out during first year.

karlr42

Very very true, Boston, to anyone coming from Leaving Cert to college, the change is much worse than you may think. The actual work to be done, when it comes down to it, may be similiar, but you are more or less on your own, you're not told exactly what to learn, just topics. Sample and past papers are not always useful in certain courses. You need to do a lot of work on your own to keep up and understand what's going on, or so I found, anyway. Unless you enjoy and have an interest in the course content, you'll struggle:(

lou91

Boston wrote: »

I can't think of anything which would fuk up a prospective trinity student more then having gone to the likes of the Institute. Don't get me wrong, grind schools get the grades, they ride students hard to get the most of them. The problem is you get these kids arriving in college expecting the same treatment, expecting someone standing over them forcing them to do work, handing them a study plan and revision notes and prep talks on how to pass the exam. The reality of trinity (and in fairness any large Irish UNI) hits them like a tonne of bricks. Some change and adapt, but a huge number simply drop out during first year.

The people who need that much encouragement in the institute generally don't end up in Trinity. You'd be more likely to find them in DBS being spoon-fed a law degree paid for by their 300 points and trust funds.

Kimmy-XxX

I would think long and hard before going to the institute or a similar establishment. I'm not from a family that can afford such things and I attended a public school for the six years of my secondary education. I got 565 points in my leaving cert, a guy in my year got 590 and last year a guy got 600. The institute is not a fail safe way of gaining enormous points. What you get in your leaving cert is not a reflection of intelligence either, its a demonstration of your motivation and your application to work.

leesmom

exactly, it is up to you to put in the work,the teachers arent going to do your homework and study for you.
in my opinion the instititute can put even more pressure on students,especially girls,alot of the girls in there spend more time puttin make up on and choosing their outfit than they do on study,its like a competition of who can look the best or who can apply the most fake tan. yes they have plenty of students that achieve over 500points but they also have alot of students that get **** results but obvioulsy they are not the ones that are going to have their pics all over the newspapers

Boston

RandomUserName! wrote: »

The people who need that much encouragement in the institute generally don't end up in Trinity. You'd be more likely to find them in DBS being spoon-fed a law degree paid for by their 300 points and trust funds.

Plenty end up in trinity. I've taught first years.

Awayindahils

I'm 'tute kid. And I honestly count myself as one of the lucky one. (i) i didn't go to the 'tute for points. I wanted to skip 4th year and my school wouldn't let me. The Institute was my one of my only options and it was the only one which wouldn't see me entering a class where everyone had known each other for 3+ years. (ii) My primary and secondary school instilled a very good work ethic in me. It is what got my through the 'tute with good grades. Yes have pared down notes helped but I was the one who set my study timetables, I was the one who opted to have half 8 classes. I was the one who chose not to cheat in my tests. The Institute teachers by in large do not care how you get an A grade so long as you're getting it. As a result the majority of people cheat in the weekly class tests. This happens all through 6 year and people regularily perform to below their 'best' in the LC as a result (Imagine exmas are harder when you can't look at the notes!)

I have adjusted to college more or less ok. My third year was bit academically rocky but i would put that down far more to having been too involved in college life and having done too much stuff outside of lectures rather than having turned up at the insitute in 5th year.

The Institute is not a miracle cure. And the spoon feeding that is often associated with it is only in part true. Most teachers simply do not have the time to take an individual interest in you the way teachers in a school who have known you for 5 years will. It is as simple as that. There is no one talking to you about what isn't working and what you might need reexplained. It is very much up to you to go after what you want and to talk to teachers if you need to. That is quite similar to college. yes the notes are a bit of a joke in that they are very very to the point but that is about the only thing that i have found difficult to reconcile since I've come to college.

I don't have a very high opinion of the place tbh........

I didn't even realise places like the Institute existed until I came to Dublin for college. Where I'm from, if you choose to stay on at school after 16, it's up to you to pass all your exams. Nobody even gets grinds - you might get a revision guide but it's 100% up to you to put in the work. I forced myself to go into school to study during study leave because I knew I wouldn't work much at home and neither my teachers nor parents were pushing me. It seems harsh now but that work ethic served me well in Trinity because I was used to studying off my own bat. I never failed a single exam, never handed in a single paper late and tbh couldn't understand how others couldn't manage it. Now I'm teaching grinds for college students (some attended the Institute, some didn't) and the problem they all have is that they're used to being spoonfed. They come to college from private school or grinds schools where they're pushed and spoonfed, realise nobody at Trinity cares if they spend all day shopping in town and end up failing everything. The worst part is their parents splash out even more money on grinds for them, it's as if they think money can buy intelligence and success. I am sick to death of telling grown adults that I can teach them stuff until I'm blue in the face, but I can't learn for them or give them motivation to study. They can't even manage to do the easiest of projects because they're bone idle. One girl had to do a presentation of a fake holiday resort in Spain, using basic Spanish, and not only could she speak a word of Spanish after a year in college, she hadn't even the iniative to open a dictionary and look up the words. She sat there and expected me to tell her what to type, she thought her 'work' was typing it in. People like this just don't belong in college. I like the girl and her parents, but they've done her a disservice by making everything so easy for her. She literally doesn't know HOW to study and motivate herself.

Not everybody from the Institute is like this, as awayindahills pointed out, but I've seen what can happen. My opinion is - if you don't have the ability to study on your own and think by yourself, you're wasting your time going to college, because it only gets worse. If you can't manage your LC without being pushed and tutored, how are you going to manage in an environment where your lecturers might not know your name, let alone if you attend lectures or not?

Awayindahils

[quote=[Deleted User];56947688]Not everybody from the Institute is like this, as awayindahills pointed out, but I've seen what can happen. My opinion is - if you don't have the ability to study on your own and think by yourself, you're wasting your time going to college, because it only gets worse. If you can't manage your LC without being pushed and tutored, how are you going to manage in an environment where your lecturers might not know your name, let alone if you attend lectures or not?[/QUOTE]


Ok this is the thing where the institute sells itself as something its not. The Institte sort of cares if you turn up to class, but not a whole lot. Not as much as the teachers in my old school would care. Much like in college there are sign in lists in class but people get their friends to sign them in. The 'pushing' you talk about happens more in private D4 schools than in the tute. If you survive the institute i.e. go to class and get the most out of it that you can and then go work your ass off you'll survive college. Same as you will in any other school. However with the institute it is much easier to get into terrible habits ie cutting class and cheating in exams than it is in other schools and these f*ck you up for college.

Boston

It does appear to be easier to cut classes in the institute given the size of the classes and factory nature of the place. I know I had a fairly personal relationship with most of my teachers in school who had a vested interest in me doing well in my exams beyond caring about grade statistics.

I should say I did get weekend grinds in physics and applied maths in the institute (Applied maths wasn't offered at my school and physics was a joke).

101don

It's amazing how many of you's didnt go to I.of.E but have such a crap opinion of the place. You get out what you put into the LC the I.of.E help people who want to get high points. They have a good name for a reason. Maybe a bit of jealousy is among a few of you or maybe you dont like the place cause its a rival school that just hates the place i dunno but it is a very good school but has its bad side like all schools

The_Joker.

Did they not teach you in the institute that dragging up 2 year old threads out of the woodwork is dumb?

101don

just saying. anyone can few the thread and im just making a point

El Siglo

/zombie thread.

andrew

What in the shit?!

michele28564

My daughter is about to start in 5th year in the institute. She is a hard worker and did very well in her old school but decided she wanted to leave and go to the institute after transition year. Her main reason for wanting to go was the amount of teacher absenteeism in her old school. She needs about 470 points for the course she wants to do in college and feels the institute is her best way of achieving this. unfortunately she doesnt know anyone else going but through the grapevine she has heard of a few girls going that were trouble in their old school and this is causing me concern. I thought it was only serious students who went to the institute and it concerns me that standards may be slipping i.e. that the institute will now accept anyone who has the money to pay. In fact I have heard of someone going there in Sept who mitched off school for most of last year, comes from a troubled background whose parents have plenty of money but little interest in their child. Hopefully my worries are unfounded and she will meet some nice girls.

Craguls

michele28564 wrote: »

My daughter is about to start in 5th year in the institute. She is a hard worker and did very well in her old school but decided she wanted to leave and go to the institute after transition year. Her main reason for wanting to go was the amount of teacher absenteeism in her old school. She needs about 470 points for the course she wants to do in college and feels the institute is her best way of achieving this. unfortunately she doesnt know anyone else going but through the grapevine she has heard of a few girls going that were trouble in their old school and this is causing me concern. I thought it was only serious students who went to the institute and it concerns me that standards may be slipping i.e. that the institute will now accept anyone who has the money to pay. In fact I have heard of someone going there in Sept who mitched off school for most of last year, comes from a troubled background whose parents have plenty of money but little interest in their child. Hopefully my worries are unfounded and she will meet some nice girls.

The institute is as much a business as it is a school. They'll take most students with the money to pay but ultimately any result relies on the commitment of the student. They tend not to waste time chasing those with poor attendance.

Denerick

Boston wrote: »

I can't think of anything which would fuk up a prospective trinity student more then having gone to the likes of the Institute. Don't get me wrong, grind schools get the grades, they ride students hard to get the most of them. The problem is you get these kids arriving in college expecting the same treatment, expecting someone standing over them forcing them to do work, handing them a study plan and revision notes and prep talks on how to pass the exam. The reality of trinity (and in fairness any large Irish UNI) hits them like a tonne of bricks. Some change and adapt, but a huge number simply drop out during first year.

Very true. Grinds schools epitomise what is wrong with our society and why we'll always be a second rate culture. Rich kids expecting the Leaving cert processed up and fed to them like a giant glass of roast beef, potatoes and gravy. Makes me violently sick, it does.

antiselfdual

Denerick wrote: »

Rich kids expecting the Leaving cert processed up and fed to them like a giant glass of roast beef, potatoes and gravy.

Oh wow I really want that to be a real and obtainable drink.

Denerick

antiselfdual wrote: »

Oh wow I really want that to be a real and obtainable drink.

Just throw it into a food processor. I'd imagine it would be quite nice, though you'd need a thick straw.

antiselfdual

Yeah I was thinking that. Or perhaps I'll bring a Sunday roast in to the milkshake bar on Dame Street. Damn that would be delicious.

D.R cowboy

Denerick wrote: »

Very true. Grinds schools epitomise what is wrong with our society and why we'll always be a second rate culture. Rich kids expecting the Leaving cert processed up and fed to them like a giant glass of roast beef, potatoes and gravy. Makes me violently sick, it does.

what is your problem with grind schools?, If I ever became a teacher I would love to work in a grind school or a private school , so i would not have to deal with scumbags causing trouble everyday

D.R cowboy

michele28564 wrote: »

My daughter is about to start in 5th year in the institute. She is a hard worker and did very well in her old school but decided she wanted to leave and go to the institute after transition year. Her main reason for wanting to go was the amount of teacher absenteeism in her old school. She needs about 470 points for the course she wants to do in college and feels the institute is her best way of achieving this. unfortunately she doesnt know anyone else going but through the grapevine she has heard of a few girls going that were trouble in their old school and this is causing me concern. I thought it was only serious students who went to the institute and it concerns me that standards may be slipping i.e. that the institute will now accept anyone who has the money to pay. In fact I have heard of someone going there in Sept who mitched off school for most of last year, comes from a troubled background whose parents have plenty of money but little interest in their child. Hopefully my worries are unfounded and she will meet some nice girls.

hey don't worry about your daughter. I went there for the last two years.

Denerick

D.R cowboy wrote: »

what is your problem with grind schools?, If I ever became a teacher I would love to work in a grind school or a private school , so i would not have to deal with scumbags causing trouble everyday

Grinds schools are the work of the devil. They do not instill 'education', they serve as leaving certificate production units. Its an absolute disgrace and I believe all teachers in grind schools should be sent to gulags in west Donegal for their crimes against humanity.

D.R cowboy

Denerick wrote: »

Grinds schools are the work of the devil. They do not instill 'education', they serve as leaving certificate production units. Its an absolute disgrace and I believe all teachers in grind schools should be sent to gulags in west Done gal for their crimes against humanity.

Your a freak, its obvious you have no friends:rolleyes:

L@________ @SER>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

nicola09

D.R cowboy wrote: »

what is your problem with grind schools?, If I ever became a teacher I would love to work in a grind school or a private school , so i would not have to deal with scumbags causing trouble everyday

Well... I went to a public school and I can assure you that I am not a 'scumbag' as you so eloquently put it!:rolleyes: In my school, three people got 600, one got 7 A1's and two others got 590. I was quite happy with my 580 as I did honours maths which took up a lot of my time!:o It isn't only the grind or private schools that can achieve the good results, it depends on the individual student and their own ability, not on some photocopied notes that everyone else in the class also has. If the OP wants to spend that much money on their secondary education then that's fine, they could spend it on worse, but it's a myth that only the fee paying schools can get the high points. We all sit the same exams after all!:)

Denerick

D.R cowboy wrote: »

You're a freak, its obvious you have no friends:rolleyes:

LOSER>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Fixed your spelling and grammar for you.

D.R cowboy

nicola09 wrote: »

Well... I went to a public school :rolleyes: but it's a myth that only the fee paying schools can get the high points. We all sit the same exams after all!:)[/QUOTEt

Check the research and statistics:rolleyes:
and please keep your uneducated public views to yourself

D.R cowboy

Denerick wrote: »

Fixed your spelling and grammar for you.

Never touch my spelling or grammar again or you will be sorry :mad:

People like you should stay on the side you were put!!

PARARORY

D.R cowboy
what is your problem with grind schools?, If I ever became a teacher I would love to work in a grind school or a private school , so i would not have to deal with scumbags causing trouble everyday

I feel the same way - not out of snobbery though. I've been in both a public and private school. The students had much more respect for the teachers in the private one and it was a completely different atmosphere in the classroom.

Also the amount of resources available to the teachers in the private school were great - computers , projecters etc...

In the public school one or two students did what they wanted and weren't afraid of being punished so the whole class suffered. In the private school - no shít was taken at all and people like that were dealt with immediatley!

Dr D

PARARORY wrote: »

I feel the same way - not out of snobbery though. I've been in both a public and private school. The students had much more respect for the teachers in the private one and it was a completely different atmosphere in the classroom.

Also the amount of resources available to the teachers in the private school were great - computers , projecters etc...

In the public school one or two students did what they wanted and weren't afraid of being punished so the whole class suffered. In the private school - no shít was taken at all and people like that were dealt with immediatley!

It's funny, I had the opposite experience, with some (admittedly limited) time in a private school the behavior was a lot worse, but I spent the bulk of my school time up until this year in a public school in what would be considered a ''rough'' area, and while there were troublemakers, they were suspended and eventually expelled with in a year, and our class was great- everyone got on and there was no hassle.

I also agree with Denerick in that the degree factory mentality, while made necessary due to competition, is a really bad thing that I think harms people going into University. Sure, I may not have gotten 6 A1s or anything, but I'm more proud of myself for doing the bulk of the work by my own volition than having it spoonfed to me in study guides and revision plans.

Bonito

D.R cowboy wrote: »

Well... I went to a public school :rolleyes: but it's a myth that only the fee paying schools can get the high points. We all sit the same exams after all!:)[/QUOTEt

Check the research and statistics:rolleyes:
and please keep your uneducated public views to yourself

D.R cowboy wrote: »

Never touch my spelling or grammar again or you will be sorry :mad:

People like you should stay on the side you were put!!

Banned!

Justice, at last. \:D/ Party at mine.

goreyguy

it sucked

michele28564

Thanks DR Cowboy - you have put my mind at rest somewhat despite all the other comments mad speaking against the institute. Hope you did well and got your college choice. Thanks again

theowen

michele28564 wrote: »

Thanks DR Cowboy - you have put my mind at rest somewhat despite all the other comments mad speaking against the institute. Hope you did well and got your college choice. Thanks again

You clearly don't realise the type of person who you're thanking.

I went there last year and there were a fair chunk who did really well, and then the hoard who epicly fail.

michele28564

Clearly I was thanking him for his comments in that he reassured me that if you want the opportunity to work hard you are afforded it. Of course I realise that no matter what school some kids go to they don't do well. I firmly believe that in the institute if you want to succeed you will....

Denerick

michele28564 wrote: »

Clearly I was thanking him for his comments in that he reassured me that if you want the opportunity to work hard you are afforded it. Of course I realise that no matter what school some kids go to they don't do well. I firmly believe that in the institute if you want to succeed you will....

The user claiming to be D.R. Cowboy repeated the leaving cert three times. He is not an authority on the matter.

Jammyc

michele28564 wrote: »

Clearly I was thanking him for his comments in that he reassured me that if you want the opportunity to work hard you are afforded it. Of course I realise that no matter what school some kids go to they don't do well. I firmly believe that in the institute if you want to succeed you will....

You obviously were looking for someone to just tell you what you wanted to hear then because you seemed to have ignored the negative comments which were the majority.

Forgetting the institute, any student can achieve a good leaving cert regardless of where they study, it's just a matter of them being bothered enough.